Ah, PC monitors. They never manage to get it right. Not even the big TV-manufacturer's that have these insane R&D departments can never get it right in terms of PC monitors.
Either it's the resolution being too low, or it's the refresh rate not going high enough, or missing HDR, or missing G-Sync, or not being able to run HDMI 2.0b (or whatever the latest official one that UHD-TV's support) on a 4K monitor (technically UHD, 2160p).
To LG: How hard is to make an OLED monitor that runs 2160p on both the DP-port and HDMI-port at atleast 60Hz on the HDMI, and maybe 120Hz on the DP-port? HDR-support? G-Sync? Yes please! Or at the very least, get me a good LCD with FALD. Could you do that?
Or maybe a good UW display at something like 34" with 1440p and all the other features listed above.
Samsung recently announced "QLED" PC-monitor's with 300nits. WTF?! I thought the whole point of QLED was a lot higher brightness for HDR. I still don't understand what QLED is. It seems like it's one thing when it is a TV and another when it is a PC monitor? I still don't understand what QLED is supposed to be. To me it just seems like souped up LCD, but it is starting to look more and more like pure marketing jippo that Samsung is trying to shove down our throats to hopefully make us forget about OLED.
I've never agreed so hard with a comment about the current state of displays. God is it a big mess. And yes QLED has lots any relevant clear meaning. It is safe to consider it just the next step in LCD tech.
I almost thought this was a good deal because I glossed over the native res - silly me. I'm still sitting on a Dell 3007 FPW-HC trying to figure out where my next move is supposed to be.
If you want to keep your vertical height and need to buy now, the Acer XB321HK (32", 4k, 60 hz, GSync) is probably your best bet at present. It's AFAIK the only 32: 4k with GSync. I've been holding out for the next generation (at the same size/resolution) with 120Hz and/or 10bit HDR color. OTOH I've been waiting since about this time last year for them to show up.
It's only HDMI 1.4 though. So you can't run say a PS4 Pro at 4K on it. Then you would need to get a DP adapter that converts HDMI 2.0b to DP for 4K @ 60Hz.
I have been all over the place on where I will go next. OLED would be preferred but is not an option. One of the ideas I had was to wait on those 4k Caddy monitors with all the bells and whistles from Acer and Asus, but the 144hz 4k QLED 27" HDT Gsync monitors wont be out until next year, so okay, fair enough. Another option would be the 35" offerings from both companies with the same specs but at 3880x1440 resolution and possible 200hz, but the question is, are those pushed back too? How much will a monitor with all that tech in it cost at release? When will volta cards be here to run them and how much will they be? I have a 980 ti so I really want to upgrade. I would try AMD but their embargoes are making me less anxious than I was months ago. There arent as many feature rich Freesync monitors with as many upgrade bullet points but its an instant 300 bucks price difference just to have Gsync, and I doubt one would notice even a 20 dollar difference in the adaptive sync technology, so the incentives are elsewhere. I am waiting to see what a few things are doing because theres just goign to be too many milestones met soon and I don't want to miss out or make a mistake at the price all this stuff costs, so the Samsung 32:9 3880x1080 is on my radar and I will definitely consider it and an AMD card if that big real estate isn't too pixel-y in 1080. The constant max frames, HDR, QLED, huge size and possibly big savings are very alluring. If the Nvidia camp doesn't price itself out the market then I am thinking the mid range Volta card paired with the 35in 1440 QLED HDR screens... really having a hard time justifying if the price for that experience is 2500 to 3k $$$. Good luck.
"I still don't understand what QLED is" It's a slight variant on LED backlighting: instead of using R, G and B LEDs, or using White LEDs, you use a single pure colour LED and a film that absorbs that colour and re-emits pure R, G and B. It's basically a way to make a wide gamut backlight more power efficent and slightly cheaper.
Yep, a 40" OLED 4k monitor with HDR please. I just ordered a pair of 1080ti's, I hope they're not outdated before a decent monitor comes around. Well, at least I can play every game at max quality settings...
Btw, I think OLED monitors aren't here yet because of the lifespan of blue (wasn't it) OLED pixels ?
That's only an issue for Samsung manufactured OLED panels. LG OLED panels use four white sub pixels three of which are coated in the corresponding color- R, G, B and W. They bought the patent for white OLEDs off of Kodak years ago in what people thought was insanely overpriced deal(retrospectively, not so much).
What you talk about is white OLED used as a backlight together with LCD color filters - however, those will exhibit all the problems inherent to LCD displays - slow response time, problematic viewing angles. Moreover, the "white" OLED is not really white, so the gamut will be also poorer than in case of panels where the colors are generated by RGB emissive subpixels without any filtering.
It's VERY easy for them to get it right but as soon as they make a near perfect monitor... everyone buys and sales drop. 4k could be standard right now, with high refresh rates, with quality colours etc but that would reduce $$$$$$.
The sooner tech sites call out this rubbish the better. At least Anandtech hasn't gone FULL Engadget/Verge on us. Yet.
classic example of a perfectly fine looking monitor with all the features you would need except the resolution being set at a low end 1080p. Seriously LG...how much more cost to build an ultrawide 1440p ? even if that means 100hz i think most people would take a slightly lower refresh rate and 1440p then this,
Sorry, my Eizo fg2421 is as good an LCD monitor I will ever need. I would by a reasonably priced 1920x1080 OLED monitor with 120Hz for gaming and work, but it seems that the manufacturers are unwilling to produce one.
Too bad. But the LCD displays are not really improving anymore, the technology has reached its meager limits. You basically just choose flaws you will have to live with - poor colors, bad viewing angles or slow response times.
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jjj - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
The price comparison between TVs and monitors is getting ridiculous.Everybody wants a few times more per $ per pixel and per area when it comes to above 27 inch monitors.
maximumGPU - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
is it just me or does that look like a terrible buy at that price?prime2515103 - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
I don't think so. I was thinking either it's a typo or a joke.zinfamous - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
that's the GSync Tax. This would otherwise be ~$700-750 with Freesync and everything else equal.madwolfa - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
2560×1080? Pass.milkywayer - Monday, July 10, 2017 - link
Agreed. Who keeps buying 1080p tall screens in 2017!!??I can't wait to upgrade from this 1440p UltraSharp as soon as I can. Can't wait for 5K to become affordable.
drgigolo - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
Ah, PC monitors. They never manage to get it right. Not even the big TV-manufacturer's that have these insane R&D departments can never get it right in terms of PC monitors.Either it's the resolution being too low, or it's the refresh rate not going high enough, or missing HDR, or missing G-Sync, or not being able to run HDMI 2.0b (or whatever the latest official one that UHD-TV's support) on a 4K monitor (technically UHD, 2160p).
To LG: How hard is to make an OLED monitor that runs 2160p on both the DP-port and HDMI-port at atleast 60Hz on the HDMI, and maybe 120Hz on the DP-port? HDR-support? G-Sync? Yes please!
Or at the very least, get me a good LCD with FALD. Could you do that?
Or maybe a good UW display at something like 34" with 1440p and all the other features listed above.
Samsung recently announced "QLED" PC-monitor's with 300nits. WTF?! I thought the whole point of QLED was a lot higher brightness for HDR. I still don't understand what QLED is. It seems like it's one thing when it is a TV and another when it is a PC monitor? I still don't understand what QLED is supposed to be. To me it just seems like souped up LCD, but it is starting to look more and more like pure marketing jippo that Samsung is trying to shove down our throats to hopefully make us forget about OLED.
skace - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
I've never agreed so hard with a comment about the current state of displays. God is it a big mess. And yes QLED has lots any relevant clear meaning. It is safe to consider it just the next step in LCD tech.I almost thought this was a good deal because I glossed over the native res - silly me. I'm still sitting on a Dell 3007 FPW-HC trying to figure out where my next move is supposed to be.
DanNeely - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
If you want to keep your vertical height and need to buy now, the Acer XB321HK (32", 4k, 60 hz, GSync) is probably your best bet at present. It's AFAIK the only 32: 4k with GSync. I've been holding out for the next generation (at the same size/resolution) with 120Hz and/or 10bit HDR color. OTOH I've been waiting since about this time last year for them to show up.drgigolo - Tuesday, July 4, 2017 - link
It's only HDMI 1.4 though. So you can't run say a PS4 Pro at 4K on it. Then you would need to get a DP adapter that converts HDMI 2.0b to DP for 4K @ 60Hz.opticalBLADE - Saturday, August 12, 2017 - link
I have been all over the place on where I will go next. OLED would be preferred but is not an option. One of the ideas I had was to wait on those 4k Caddy monitors with all the bells and whistles from Acer and Asus, but the 144hz 4k QLED 27" HDT Gsync monitors wont be out until next year, so okay, fair enough. Another option would be the 35" offerings from both companies with the same specs but at 3880x1440 resolution and possible 200hz, but the question is, are those pushed back too? How much will a monitor with all that tech in it cost at release? When will volta cards be here to run them and how much will they be? I have a 980 ti so I really want to upgrade. I would try AMD but their embargoes are making me less anxious than I was months ago. There arent as many feature rich Freesync monitors with as many upgrade bullet points but its an instant 300 bucks price difference just to have Gsync, and I doubt one would notice even a 20 dollar difference in the adaptive sync technology, so the incentives are elsewhere. I am waiting to see what a few things are doing because theres just goign to be too many milestones met soon and I don't want to miss out or make a mistake at the price all this stuff costs, so the Samsung 32:9 3880x1080 is on my radar and I will definitely consider it and an AMD card if that big real estate isn't too pixel-y in 1080. The constant max frames, HDR, QLED, huge size and possibly big savings are very alluring. If the Nvidia camp doesn't price itself out the market then I am thinking the mid range Volta card paired with the 35in 1440 QLED HDR screens... really having a hard time justifying if the price for that experience is 2500 to 3k $$$. Good luck.Agent Smith - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
Totally agree, you've covered everything i've been saying to friends for months.edzieba - Monday, July 3, 2017 - link
"I still don't understand what QLED is" It's a slight variant on LED backlighting: instead of using R, G and B LEDs, or using White LEDs, you use a single pure colour LED and a film that absorbs that colour and re-emits pure R, G and B. It's basically a way to make a wide gamut backlight more power efficent and slightly cheaper.StefanR - Saturday, July 8, 2017 - link
Yep, a 40" OLED 4k monitor with HDR please. I just ordered a pair of 1080ti's, I hope they're not outdated before a decent monitor comes around. Well, at least I can play every game at max quality settings...Btw, I think OLED monitors aren't here yet because of the lifespan of blue (wasn't it) OLED pixels ?
BenSkywalker - Tuesday, July 11, 2017 - link
That's only an issue for Samsung manufactured OLED panels. LG OLED panels use four white sub pixels three of which are coated in the corresponding color- R, G, B and W. They bought the patent for white OLEDs off of Kodak years ago in what people thought was insanely overpriced deal(retrospectively, not so much).https://www.google.com/patents/US7273663
LG OLEDs deteriorate at as close to perfectly evenly as you can get.
TLDR- Blue OLED sub pixels do die quicker, LG doesn't use them.
Kamamura - Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - link
What you talk about is white OLED used as a backlight together with LCD color filters - however, those will exhibit all the problems inherent to LCD displays - slow response time, problematic viewing angles. Moreover, the "white" OLED is not really white, so the gamut will be also poorer than in case of panels where the colors are generated by RGB emissive subpixels without any filtering.damianrobertjones - Monday, July 10, 2017 - link
It's VERY easy for them to get it right but as soon as they make a near perfect monitor... everyone buys and sales drop. 4k could be standard right now, with high refresh rates, with quality colours etc but that would reduce $$$$$$.The sooner tech sites call out this rubbish the better. At least Anandtech hasn't gone FULL Engadget/Verge on us. Yet.
Samus - Wednesday, July 5, 2017 - link
All things equal, why is this 2x more expensive than every other identical monitor except for the refresh rate?Hxx - Wednesday, July 5, 2017 - link
classic example of a perfectly fine looking monitor with all the features you would need except the resolution being set at a low end 1080p. Seriously LG...how much more cost to build an ultrawide 1440p ? even if that means 100hz i think most people would take a slightly lower refresh rate and 1440p then this,brubble - Thursday, July 6, 2017 - link
1k for a 1080p 34" monitor? BAHAHA.Kamamura - Wednesday, July 19, 2017 - link
Sorry, my Eizo fg2421 is as good an LCD monitor I will ever need. I would by a reasonably priced 1920x1080 OLED monitor with 120Hz for gaming and work, but it seems that the manufacturers are unwilling to produce one.Too bad. But the LCD displays are not really improving anymore, the technology has reached its meager limits. You basically just choose flaws you will have to live with - poor colors, bad viewing angles or slow response times.