What's up with the 1070 currently?? Seems like the prices are absolutely horrible compared to the 1080, and now Nvidia's not even including a game bundle? GTX 1080s are basically always available from $500 and we've seen multiple deals for $430 even, meanwhile there have been basically no 1070 deals and looking at the prices on Newegg, it seems like the selection/stock is rather limited. Might be miners or something, but it looks to me more like Nvidia is almost phasing them out which is extremely odd.
I've got 10 Nvidias running now, and although the 1070s are an expensive way to do it, with the price gougers at work out there, they've made them the best buy.
And what many will argue AND FAIL at, is that the 1070s not only mine higher than the 1080s (something to do with the new memory of the 1080s not being utilized correctly), but they do it more efficiently than the AMDs, which is not the info you will read most everywhere online. But actual measurements trump internet stories.
I was never going to pay 330 GBP for the AMD, when the 1070 is just under 400GBP, not only for the less power drawn, but for the aftermarket resale value, if I decide to give up mining.
People know they are more efficient however you have to take into account the price of the card and then it makes more sense to buy a RX570/580. Of course this is assuming they are available and close to the prices they should be... however this is not the case the RX570/580 are not readily available and the price is slightly higher than what it should be (logic since big demand for little offer). At the end of the day with the profit from these two cards are pretty close at the end of 1 or 2 years of mining.
What I don't understand is how AMD missed this big opportunity, they knew their cards would be great for mining and instead of flooding the market with cards they created a short supply problem, at the end of the day it's not AMD that benefits from it but AIB partners and sellers.
Etherum will soon change POS, so mining this coin on a GPU will not be profitable anymore, and I'm guessing all these mining GPUs will be resold for peanuts and make some pressure on the price of the new GPUs... not good news for AMD.
Selling cards to miners is not profitable as they abuse the cards and then send them for RMA just before the end of the guarantee expires to get a new one.
The miner situation is not really good news for AMD or its partners because they are selling at MSRP and don't get the increased retail margins, the cards are being abused and returned to the manufacturers and worst of all they are not getting to the gamers and hence not increasing "mindshare" for future purchases.
I have to disagree. There are no overclocks on my 1070s, as they are FTWs, and come with a factory overclock anyway.
I'm pulling a mere 120W / card. I think gaming loads are higher, are they not? Enlighten me.
But there will be others, gamers and miners alike that abuse hardware, and of course return faulty goods. But I think r-soles exist all over the world, whatever the subject, whateve the product.
They are being run nonstop at a high throttle, which is probably not something the card is designed to accommodate. People don't game 24/7. Not that they can't make a card for that purpose, but most consumer gaming cards are not engineered for it.
I think what matters to the retailers, card manufacturers, NVIDIA, AMD, and buyers of video cards is the mean time to failure of the cards on the market. It doesn't matter if some gamers and miners alike abuse cards. What matters is if 1) less can be expected of a card given that it was a mining card than if it were a gaming card or 2) mining causes significantly more lower-quality cards to be offered for sale as new cards than would otherwise be offered.
If people are really RMA'ing cards used in mining in order to keep getting new ones, that is fraud. Nothing is for free. That costs the companies money. If the companies can't prevent it it will make them either increase the prices of their cards or change their RMA policies.
And, in any case, GPU manufacturers lose money by losing the ability to target their market effectively. Reduced visibility of demand for cards because of mining costs GPU manufacturers money. And when used cards eventually flood the market that similarly reduces GPU manufacturers' ability to judge supply and demand of their gaming cards. Mining seems to be a volatile market, and volatility causes inefficiencies that spill over into the much larger gaming market and cost the companies money.
So I can see why these companies want to incentivize miners to buy non-gaming cards for mining.
From the little I know, memory bandwidth is very important for many of these mining algorithms, particularly Ethereum. The 1080 has significantly higher memory bandwidth than then 1070, but the miner programmers haven't figured out how to use GDDR5X well, yet. Whether that's because of a lack of technical expertise on the part of the programmers, or whether it will take driver or firmware changes from NVIDIA, I don't know, but I am sure NVIDIA can change that situation one way or the other quite easily if they decide to put their engineers to task on it. The Titan Xp uses GDDR5X memory and is marketed as a card for machine learning, but along with that comes with the expectation that it can effectively execute any CUDA code. I'm guessing that if there's a class of algorithms that inherently doesn't make use of GDDR5X very well, NVIDIA has probably already come up with a workaround.
Destiny 2 aka RIP off the sequel doesn't do anything for me. Would be nice if there was a choice. Dirt 4, even Prey which I'm just not keen on would be more compelling.
How can you say a game that is not out yet is a rip off? Destiny 1 received some huge fixes and changes through its life cycle and right now is far better than when it launched.
Yep, after they make you pay for all the expansions and such just to reach a playable game state; and by playable, I mean endless gear treadmill where to complete the highest tier of content you have to no-life grind the game and hope RNG blesses you.
I bought and paid for Destiny 1 and the first expansion; nothing further as it wasn't worth my wallet given what I had already paid for and played. I jumped into Warframe right after and had a good time for about ~800 hours on Steam before getting tired out of the tedium and RNG and grindy repetitive mission archetypes.
I honestly can't back anymore games which don't have a definitive beginning and end. No MMOs, etc. (No I'm not saying Destiny or Warframe are MMOs, but they are online-enabled coop games which inevitably fall prey to RNG-based loot mechanics just to advance, similar to most MMOs.) They're always addicting, but always pan out badly over time and just leaves you empty after dumping hundreds of hours into the experience and getting little enjoyment out of it
BC what I got for my money wasn't a game. It was the intro to the game. Bungie promised this epic quest with drop in out on line coop. It was nothing like that. As far as fixing it goes, no. They burned me with the initial release then said everything will be better if you buy the expansion packs. When everything was said and done, how much money was spent for an endless grind fest with an OK story. You basically paid a couple hundred for a Halo knock off.
I just received my 1080ti FTW3 today, I have no coupon or anything so how do I redeem it? Not that I am interested to play Destiny but free game is free game...
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keebs63 - Tuesday, June 13, 2017 - link
What's up with the 1070 currently?? Seems like the prices are absolutely horrible compared to the 1080, and now Nvidia's not even including a game bundle? GTX 1080s are basically always available from $500 and we've seen multiple deals for $430 even, meanwhile there have been basically no 1070 deals and looking at the prices on Newegg, it seems like the selection/stock is rather limited. Might be miners or something, but it looks to me more like Nvidia is almost phasing them out which is extremely odd.Drumsticks - Tuesday, June 13, 2017 - link
It is miners, I've heard. Since the RX 480/580 is too hard to get, people have started mining with the 1070.Notmyusualid - Tuesday, June 13, 2017 - link
You are correct.I've got 10 Nvidias running now, and although the 1070s are an expensive way to do it, with the price gougers at work out there, they've made them the best buy.
And what many will argue AND FAIL at, is that the 1070s not only mine higher than the 1080s (something to do with the new memory of the 1080s not being utilized correctly), but they do it more efficiently than the AMDs, which is not the info you will read most everywhere online. But actual measurements trump internet stories.
This article sums it up nicely:
http://wccftech.com/ethereum-mining-gpu-performanc...
I was never going to pay 330 GBP for the AMD, when the 1070 is just under 400GBP, not only for the less power drawn, but for the aftermarket resale value, if I decide to give up mining.
Strunf - Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - link
People know they are more efficient however you have to take into account the price of the card and then it makes more sense to buy a RX570/580. Of course this is assuming they are available and close to the prices they should be... however this is not the case the RX570/580 are not readily available and the price is slightly higher than what it should be (logic since big demand for little offer).At the end of the day with the profit from these two cards are pretty close at the end of 1 or 2 years of mining.
What I don't understand is how AMD missed this big opportunity, they knew their cards would be great for mining and instead of flooding the market with cards they created a short supply problem, at the end of the day it's not AMD that benefits from it but AIB partners and sellers.
Etherum will soon change POS, so mining this coin on a GPU will not be profitable anymore, and I'm guessing all these mining GPUs will be resold for peanuts and make some pressure on the price of the new GPUs... not good news for AMD.
valinor89 - Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - link
Selling cards to miners is not profitable as they abuse the cards and then send them for RMA just before the end of the guarantee expires to get a new one.The miner situation is not really good news for AMD or its partners because they are selling at MSRP and don't get the increased retail margins, the cards are being abused and returned to the manufacturers and worst of all they are not getting to the gamers and hence not increasing "mindshare" for future purchases.
Notmyusualid - Thursday, June 15, 2017 - link
@ valinor89I have to disagree. There are no overclocks on my 1070s, as they are FTWs, and come with a factory overclock anyway.
I'm pulling a mere 120W / card. I think gaming loads are higher, are they not? Enlighten me.
But there will be others, gamers and miners alike that abuse hardware, and of course return faulty goods. But I think r-soles exist all over the world, whatever the subject, whateve the product.
Yojimbo - Thursday, June 15, 2017 - link
They are being run nonstop at a high throttle, which is probably not something the card is designed to accommodate. People don't game 24/7. Not that they can't make a card for that purpose, but most consumer gaming cards are not engineered for it.I think what matters to the retailers, card manufacturers, NVIDIA, AMD, and buyers of video cards is the mean time to failure of the cards on the market. It doesn't matter if some gamers and miners alike abuse cards. What matters is if 1) less can be expected of a card given that it was a mining card than if it were a gaming card or 2) mining causes significantly more lower-quality cards to be offered for sale as new cards than would otherwise be offered.
If people are really RMA'ing cards used in mining in order to keep getting new ones, that is fraud. Nothing is for free. That costs the companies money. If the companies can't prevent it it will make them either increase the prices of their cards or change their RMA policies.
And, in any case, GPU manufacturers lose money by losing the ability to target their market effectively. Reduced visibility of demand for cards because of mining costs GPU manufacturers money. And when used cards eventually flood the market that similarly reduces GPU manufacturers' ability to judge supply and demand of their gaming cards. Mining seems to be a volatile market, and volatility causes inefficiencies that spill over into the much larger gaming market and cost the companies money.
So I can see why these companies want to incentivize miners to buy non-gaming cards for mining.
Notmyusualid - Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - link
@ Strunf12 cards and counting now.
Yes, AMD missed this, but how could they have known? Who'd of thought BTC would hit the prices it has, let alone GPU stuff like ETH...
When (if?) ETH hits POS, there'll be other crypto coins, or as you say, the cards will get dumped, save for four 1070s which I'll keep in my P5 case.
Meanwhile, the 'workers' are a runnin'!
Mugur - Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - link
Probably the yields are so good that NVIDIA is trying to push people towards 1080, instead of intentionally crippling a good chip to manufacture 1070.Yojimbo - Thursday, June 15, 2017 - link
From the little I know, memory bandwidth is very important for many of these mining algorithms, particularly Ethereum. The 1080 has significantly higher memory bandwidth than then 1070, but the miner programmers haven't figured out how to use GDDR5X well, yet. Whether that's because of a lack of technical expertise on the part of the programmers, or whether it will take driver or firmware changes from NVIDIA, I don't know, but I am sure NVIDIA can change that situation one way or the other quite easily if they decide to put their engineers to task on it. The Titan Xp uses GDDR5X memory and is marketed as a card for machine learning, but along with that comes with the expectation that it can effectively execute any CUDA code. I'm guessing that if there's a class of algorithms that inherently doesn't make use of GDDR5X very well, NVIDIA has probably already come up with a workaround.Manch - Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - link
Destiny 2 aka RIP off the sequel doesn't do anything for me. Would be nice if there was a choice. Dirt 4, even Prey which I'm just not keen on would be more compelling.Stuka87 - Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - link
How can you say a game that is not out yet is a rip off? Destiny 1 received some huge fixes and changes through its life cycle and right now is far better than when it launched.JoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - link
Yep, after they make you pay for all the expansions and such just to reach a playable game state; and by playable, I mean endless gear treadmill where to complete the highest tier of content you have to no-life grind the game and hope RNG blesses you.I bought and paid for Destiny 1 and the first expansion; nothing further as it wasn't worth my wallet given what I had already paid for and played. I jumped into Warframe right after and had a good time for about ~800 hours on Steam before getting tired out of the tedium and RNG and grindy repetitive mission archetypes.
I honestly can't back anymore games which don't have a definitive beginning and end. No MMOs, etc. (No I'm not saying Destiny or Warframe are MMOs, but they are online-enabled coop games which inevitably fall prey to RNG-based loot mechanics just to advance, similar to most MMOs.) They're always addicting, but always pan out badly over time and just leaves you empty after dumping hundreds of hours into the experience and getting little enjoyment out of it
nikon133 - Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - link
Yes, but... at what total cost?Manch - Sunday, June 18, 2017 - link
BC what I got for my money wasn't a game. It was the intro to the game. Bungie promised this epic quest with drop in out on line coop. It was nothing like that. As far as fixing it goes, no. They burned me with the initial release then said everything will be better if you buy the expansion packs. When everything was said and done, how much money was spent for an endless grind fest with an OK story. You basically paid a couple hundred for a Halo knock off.TheWereCat - Wednesday, June 14, 2017 - link
I just received my 1080ti FTW3 today, I have no coupon or anything so how do I redeem it? Not that I am interested to play Destiny but free game is free game...Jad77 - Thursday, June 15, 2017 - link
If you bought it from Amazon, there is no promotion.