Not sure that Samsung (equity and assets roughly 1.5x Apple) is in any danger of being killed off by Apple, tbh. Nor HTC, LG, Huawei, or especially Google.
There's no doubting Apple are top of the heap at the moment with their hardware design. It's just a shame they've got to couple it with iOS really.
After being laughed off Arstechnica you're going to try to pull that stuff here? I can't wait until you try to argue processor architecture and get exposed as the fool you are.
just because you're not smart enough to use Android doesn't mean you have to bash it..lol IOS is for tech-dumb people. IOS holds your hand and restricts everything. Tech power-users use Android.
Yep exactly, I tried an iPhone with the 6s+ but I couldnt stand it. Sure it was smoother than my Samsung phones, but no wireless charging, LCD screen looks like garbage after using OLED, no Always on Display for my night time clock, way too bulky, and there is no back button. That lack of back button was the real dealbreaker. The whole Apple input setup, having to constantly go to the home screen, it was just so annoying.
Reminds me of the issue I had with Mac for years, no right button, or side buttons...
Never tried double pressing the home button to move around your opened apps? The ones with a need for a back button have a soft button on screen. I'm an android guy but still, iOS is easy AF to move around in.
so you never tried to swipe? from left to right or right to left? (it is a very handy feature i missing from android or WP) don't even mention the ForceTouch/3DTouch or whatever you call it... and the wireless charge...that's a feature i never used it with my SGS4 or L1520 or N6, why? slow, and you have to place into exact place (or it worked that way by that time) and i wanted to use lifted up used for 10 minutes took 5 percent off, put it back charged 2% used again for 10 minutes 5% off again...like trying to revive a person 100 times who's gonna die anyway, and again it was back then 3-4 years ago (still works that way with my N6), while i'm on cable, i can use my phone and yet charging. Until the phones have Wireless Electricity charging option ( works like WiFi) i don't care about WirelessCharging. I still can use my phone for 2 days( bowth N6 and i6s+) without charging as an it, with my samsung s7 or s6 had 1 day battery life with same usage... and who says it's feature phone(not you), just simply give an android phone to a Blind person... NOT-A-FREAKIN-FEATURE phone, come in more handy for persons who has disability yea bit bulky(and after 5 years getting software update), but in this year igonna change samsung's Edge version phones mostly not working when holding like normal phone as grabbing on both sides, because has bad side rejection, tried mate, had s6-7 i had problems with these. First thing was for me to disable anything related to "edges". and don't tell me to hold a phone with 2-3 finder on the bottom while "standing" try it for 2-3 hours... I tried the all the sides, each one of them has their Pros/Cons for, constantly using stock Android and iOS(non-jailbroken)/macOS device and Windows(PC/Phone) as well (working in IT). So i know the sides, understand most of the person's view, but not accept if somebody has problem with sightseeing...if you are not 100% used the systems, you were just a guest. There is no Good without Bad...
''There's no doubting Apple are top of the heap at the moment with their hardware design. It's just a shame they've got to couple it with iOS really.''
Really funny comment, ''AT THE MOMENT'', more like since the very first freaking iPhone... Is there any phone designed by apple that didn't dominate at least 50% of the benchmarks for nearly a year after it's release? I remember seeing new phones rolling out comparing against 1 year old iPhones and loosing in some benchmarks... Most of the complaints they had was for the design that stayed the same for a while but never for performance EVER.
Android owner for the last 4 years, Nexus 4 died, galaxy s6 died nexus 6p died and now on a galaxy s7. I'm a performance freak, what am I doing with MY LIFE?
you are so very wrong - where do you get your information from? apple is by far the largest tech company in the world with Samsung coming in a distant 2nd. its closer to apple being 1.5x what Samsung is - you need to do your own research instead of regurgitating fun facts you hear at a party. SMH
Really?! Troll much. There are so many reasons you can't really compare iOS and Android on anything other than a generic level it's not even worth discussing.
You can't compare iOS vs android but you can compare hardware, iphone 6s which is almost 2 years old still tops the charts. I'm a performance freak and always owned android phones, I despise my choice, I freaking hate myself so much.
What benchmarks were you looking at? I was looking at all of the ones in the article above. The S8's win alot of them including most of the batter life as well.
They’re showing the tests from the iPhone 7, the smaller (w/smaller battery) of the two iPhone models - if just considering the battery tests. That said, I believe the iPhone processing isn’t throttling itself. An intensive app's able to 'use' most of the available resources as others (apps) are hibernating in the background. That said ...the A10's almost a year old. The A10X in the iPad is the first 7nm fab'd SoC in the world and it SMOKES! With Apple's history, the 'alot wins for the 835' are sure to disappear.
I’m more curious in the 836 (rumored Pix2) and what it brings to the table. I’m assuming Google's taking a page from Apple's playbook and throwing some development monies at the SD836. Proprietary to Google via Qualcomm? They’ve got it all. GPU, radios and CPU for a true SoC from a single OEM (I understand that to also be the goal of Cupertino)
You are kind of clueless aren't you. Apple chips do score well, they are certainly high on the list any given year but the high scores and efficiency is due to internal integration and total control of API's and a closed ecosystem, not that the chips are "2-3 years ahead".
I generally put it at a more conservative 1 1/2 years when it comes to cpu performance. As for GPU performance, Qualcomm and apple trade blows every year with other manufacturers falling behind.
How does an Android phone destroy an iPhone with a faster CPU and significantly faster storage? I guess Android and its apps must be more optimized than iOS. As an iPhone user, iOS and it's apps have been getting bloated by the year so it's no surprise.
The better one is where they test loading large photos and applying effects in real time or rendering 4K video. iPhone 7 absolutely DESTROYS the OnePlus 5. And it's a year old phone on an older process while the 8895/835 are on 10nm.
Even funnier is watching you cry over on Ars when the iPhone 7 spanked every other phone in these App opening videos and you claimed the tests were flawed. Now that the OnePlus 5 opens Apps faster (marginally) suddenly these types of tests are valid? Hypocrite much?
Please stick around Anand. There are a lot of intelligent posters here who have a very good understanding of processor design (including the excellent staff here). I can't wait to hear the responses to your comments.
I don't think you get it peeps, benchmarks here are sustained, opening apps is only using a small % of potential. When the apps/os starts to ask more, most of the android phones have the same problem, underclocking. Yep, it's easy to make a blazing fast processor but it's another feat to make it survive 100% load without underclocking.
You might be able to put an 8 cylinder engine into a honda civic and use it to drive around town but push it a little bit too much and the car will suffer heavily. The frame won't support the torque.
First of all your beloved iphone will also drop its clock rates after a couple of minutes because they are all passively cooled and cant sustain high clocks. Second of all i cant believe people still look at these benchmarks and think that its the hardware thats making the difference. We will probably never know who has the best processor because unless you can still android on an iphone or ios on an android phone we will never be able to determine how much an affect the related drivers and software are having on the scores. Its like running a benchmark on a mac vs a windows PC, you could have identical hardware but that doesnt mean the scores will be the same or even close.
It’s fairly simple to play the same game on the different hardware, compare from there. Plenty of parity in apps as well ...plenty that 'tax' the SoC and will throttle faster in poorly designed hardware.
I'm a bit surprised that so many are still so focused on raw power. Smart phones have matured so nicely that many of these performance differences are really becoming pointless for majority of users.
My colleague - arguably power user - still drives Galaxy S6 and runs everything he requires in very agreeable manner, including Kodi media center with handful of add-ons. I expect he will shift to S8 this year, since his phone is around 2 years old... but that's really just because he can, not because he needs to.
On the other hand, my other colleague has recently purchased new VW Tiguan, and after having fair share of problems between iPhone 7 and cars' infotainment, he has decided to move to S8. He is long term iPhone user - from iPhone 4, if memory serves - and one of company's executives, so cost is not an issue, and he has been replacing his iPhones annually. Definitely not biased towards Android, but currently very happy user of one - according to him, Android Auto is just so much better and more reliable than Apple CarPlay, in his experience (limited to Tiguan). I don't know all the details about his experience with either, but gentleman is one of our company's leading IT specialists and I would expect that problems he was experiencing with iPhone were not typical end-user nonsense.
Which leads me to my conclusion - ultimate performance is nice to have, but only if phone doesn't sacrifice functionality. I was iPhone user, before I have switched to Windows Phone (nd still am using Lumia 950 XL as my personal phone)... but judging from experience with my work-issued Nexus 5X, Android is maturing really nicely. Even with aging hardware such as 5X is (Snap 808), phone is still smooth as with my work needs, and really reliable. First time ever I'm starting to think that my next personal phone will be Android.
It just shows that certain tests are heavily optimized in IOS. Because if you see the rest of the benchmarks.. the Galaxy S8 pretty much is above the iphones in most tests.
Sorry Dude but thats not true enough to fool people around, well the reality is that since laat year iOS device as in Appla has faced a problem of Sales in India besides Android is always a life saver and speaking about Samsung well in Reality my S6 Edge is way better than any of your iOS devices even the latest one does have the same clearity but lacks in switching back and even u can't shut apps off or can't install any pirate softwares without jail break means to say rooting an Android Device and making it a PC is possible but even after Jail-Break u can't make an Apple device turn into Android but an Adroid can be coverted to any platform...
The Android powered device carries Hardware that ate Super cool to Competite the Apple iOS device.
World mobile market share below. All numbers are percentages except the last column ("ratio") — that column simply divides the "Android" column by the "Apple" column, indicating how many Android devices were sold for each Apple device sold. Sorry if the columns don't line up ᎓
Year │Android Apple Other Ratio ───────────────── 2016 │ 86.2 12.9 0.9 6.7 2015 │ 82.8 13.9 3.3 6.0 2014 │ 84.8 11.6 3.6 7.3 2013 │ 79.8 12.9 7.3 6.2 2012 │ 69.3 16.6 14.1 4.2
Since the information is out there for anyone who cares to know the truth, it is incomprehensible to me that some people will stick their heads in the sand and say unbelievably ignorant things like "Apple are top of the heap at the moment", or ( my personal favorite ) "Apple destroying every other device for the past 5 years". Read that last one again. Then look at the actual data. Then read that again. Try to really get a feel for the extent of human delusion.
If someone says "I like Apple better", I have no problem with it. Even if they say "I think Apple is better in my opinion" I respect that, and what's more I'll respect it whether or not I agree with them. But when someone literally disregards reality, not only do Ihave no respect for then, I find them downright scary.
I personally don't give a damn about the edge screen and I don't like the aspect ratio of the S8 screen. The Nexus 5X feels like a perfect device for my hand, but I can see why S8 can be very popular. A whole lot of people (unlike me) have shorter fingers which can't reach the other side of screen in the one-handed operation. S8 works perfectly for them, and most of them don't care which SoC is inside the phone.
I know a lot of people like to be able to use the phone one-handed but my personal opinion is I've never cared at all about it. I like the bigger screens so I can see more of whatever.
between wireless headpiece and watches I'd rather have a larger 19 to 20 " tablet for 90% of my mobile/telephony needs tucked away in a satchel/briefcase/docking workstation in conjunction with a watch to handle all my transitory mobile needs. The phone is either to small or to big and invariably dropped fumbling around for them. Which is to expensive for it's vulnerable pocket size vs expected heavy duty processing expectation. Why desire to go any bigger when I already wish Tablets would become bigger and lighter ( heck in art school I use to walkabout with a 2ft by 4ft homosote artboard custom strapped across my shoulder! )
With the new flexible amoled's coming out... I wish I could just have a pressure sensitive display built into my briefcase ( with a fiber optic cover to bring the light to the hard protective surface instead of under thick glass like fiber optic stone ) where I could get real work done anywhere without compromise considering a satchel/briefcase could easily be a portable dock station with i/o devices and storage. For anything lighter I could just refer to a watch as long as I am wearing a headset for music anyway? Why am I wasting money and time arguing which phone platform is the best when it is a size/form factor that is beginning to rub me as the weakest link in my investment upgrades? ( between the watch, the phone and the tablet... The Phone seems like it is the redundant fat in the middle that serves the trivial and in-depth purposes poorly? )
Love the 5X too, but with modern components you could have a much larger screen for the chassis, and more speed with a longer battery life for the weight.
I wish someone would put together such a phone for £500...
(Can't beat ASOP either; I'm using Android O Preview and wouldn't use anything else. iOS simply feels old-fashioned now.)
It should, but how can be so high with 1440p? On GRXBench's site there is 19/17.6 in "Manhattan 3.1" and 13.3/12.2 in "Long term performance Manhattan 3.1" - x2 low than your result. Also I don't get this: *** Overall the Galaxy S8 delivers excellent peak graphical performance. It offers a significant performance uplift over the Galaxy S5 and S6, although its gains over the S7 and last year’s crop of S820/S821 flagships ARE NOT AS IMPRESSIVE. *** 23-25 fps VS 10 fps in not impressive???
Both of the Galaxy S8 models ran at the default FHD+ (2220x1080) resolution setting in this test. I also added this statement to the article for clarification.
Also "Battery lifetime - Manhattan 3.1" of E8895 and S835 is nearly the same (183 min & 190 min) according to GFXBench's site, there is no an hour difference. I wonder why there are so big differences between your results and GFXBench's site...
A subjective comparison of the two would be good if you can manage it although I appreciate Anandtech is struggling for smartphone reviewers and getting the two models for long enough could be an issue. From my POV my S8 E8895 is pretty slick but you notice the bloatware and it really isn't as smooth as it ought to be. I feel a lot of it is down to poor optimisation of the bloatware which is forced upon you. What I do rather like is the dialer (whilst slow) does look up the number and alert you to "suspected spam" so you can choose to answer the phone as the Savoy Grill or, my personal favourite, the interrogation chamber at Guantanamo Bay.
Disabling Bixby on this thing is a must as it's just annoying, intrusive and slows everything down. As well as being useless. I took a picture of a chocolate bar, used "Bixby Vision" to try and search for similar things (dunno why you'd want to do this) and it showed me a bag of chocolate dicks. Erm... okay.... thanks, Samsung.
What about AOSP or LineageOS support? I know most people don't care, but I do. Is it more likely that Exynos S8 will get decent support, or Snapdragon one? Because that's the major selling point for me. Until there's LineageOS for Samsung S8, I'll prefer OnePlus5.
No LineageOS just yet, I've just checked. Loaded Batman ROM instead, seems OK. I changed the ROM, as the phone kept updating, re-enabling bloatware, and making the 'buttons' default to disappear each time, for each app. Also, to my annoyance, I could not uninstall Facebook.
But the biggest thing I've not seen mentioned is the fact that the E8895 is a dual-sim phone, which the Snapdragon is not.
My S8 Plus, I noted, was 3rd fastest on the planet in Antutu benchmarks, and cost 31,050 THB, from the Samsung store. Now that the ROM is changed, I'm happy.
so, you say "lets see how hardware and software work together"... yet you don't try the "samsung app" on a "samsung phone"... I wonder how the chrome-based benchmarks would come out on the samsung browser instead of using chrome?
I know that would make it harder to actually compare apples-to-apples (ha!), but since benchmarks are really already borderline useless, might at least try to make a fairer useless comparison, right?
safari on iPhone, vs chrome on pixel vs samsung browser on samsung phone... I'm guessing they might have some further optimizations going on there?
AT apparently no longer provides full featured phone reviews. At this time of the year we have previously seen reviews of Samsung, LG and HTC flagships.
I prefer these unique in-dept dives in hardware over generic reviews you can find on any other site... Great read, as always, though I'd love to see even more about he power usage.
Also, when the SOC's are so closely matched by low level benches but the PCMark test shows such a huge difference (note only that one, not the browser benchmarks or games) it might be worthwhile to consider the PCMark test might not be entirely objective. Any other way to manually test some of its scenario's like writing etc to verify it isn't (accidentally, I'm sure) slanted towards the Snapdragon?
Of course it is a reality that there's probably more software optimized for the ubiquitous snapdragon than for the SAMSUNG SOC but with a difference THIS big I think it is warranted to look a bit deeper, ask the vendor perhaps if they have a clue at what might be wrong etcetera.
6.2 inches of screen! That's huge. My first Android tablet had a 7 inch screen. Yeah, there's a lot less bezel around it, but there's a point where a phone becomes too impractical to carry and use and I feel in the name of specs and selling points, we've long since passed that with flagship devices. I'd love to see flagship specs in maybe a 4 to 4.5 inch device. I have nowhere to carry something that big. I guess if it was my only computing device maybe there'd be an excuse for it, but wireless docking and charging would be a must and I'd still prefer a mix of a laptop for big computing tasks and a small phone for computing/communications while on the road.
I hear you, but it isnt that big. It's very close to the iPhone 6+ and 7+ in size even though they have a 5.5 inch screen... That and the 5.8 inch model is even smaller, closer to 5.2 inch models from the past 3-4 years. Anyhow, there are options, but what suits you.
It is not that big. The "taller" aspect ratio exaggerates the diagonal. To the article, the 10nm SoC now seems more valuable than benchmarks/reviews I've seen from other sites. Since the Pixel is going to be expensive, taller, no storage expansion and without a headphone jack, I have no ideal phone yet this year. The Mi Mix 2 or the LG V30 might.
Just as a side point, I went from a HTC M9 to an S8. I tried and tested the S8 and S8+. Bear in mind I have small hands to the point where I also pack a pair of socks to compensate. If you're American or not quite so crude that means I prefer a 9mm to a .45. I found the elongated screen of the S8 to be just about tolerable and the advantages for multitasking do outweigh the occasional situation where I need to reach the far end of the screen and can't do it. I suspect most people with normal hands will find the S8 to be perfectly fine from a usability standpoint. Certainly the S8+ I would strongly recommend you try a live model before you buy and perhaps consider waiting for the new Note if big screens are your bag.
As for the carrying something that big you haven't heard the worst of it. It's well built - teardowns show this. Equally it's still made of glass for crying out loud. You NEED a case (and what's the point in making something so aesthetically amazing when you have to cover it??!!) and not a light one either. I have a leather fold out case which allows me to watch stuff on the phone at an angle and also takes some cards. Interestingly, it has two magnets right next to where the cards live. I got locked out of my hotel room due to this. Regardless, the necessary beef and size of case required to protect such a fragile device means the size is doubled. If HTC had continued down the metal line I'd have gone with them but it's all about bloody glass these days and I'm sick of it.
>>"Our initial look at Snapdragon 835 revealed that its Kryo 280 performance cores are loosely based on ARM’s Cortex-A73 while the efficiency cores are loosely based on the Cortex-A53"
Why would you write such a blatant lie. It's not LOOSELY based at all. It's >95% the same chip. QCOM have made minor tweaks just to be able to market it as their own design.
Eyeballing it, they are on average about 1.5x the current A73 results. A10 results are about 50% faster again, while running at the same frequency as the CPUs referenced in the article, so basically about twice the IPC of the current A73 crop of champions.
One thing that stands out in comparing the SPEC results across all these devices is the massive jump in 175.vpr. A9 (which, like I said, is at around 1.5x for most results) has a value of 2017. This is about in line with what we see for Snapdragon 821. Then we get these massively (2x larger than I'd expect) scores for the other high-end ARM cores.
My guess is that something changed in the compiler in the past year or so. (Since the article doesn't say whether gcc or llvm was used, I can't investigate further.) My guess is likewise that this wasn't something nefarious, some "cheat" to make SPEC results look better --- no-one cares about SPEC2000 on ARM64 anyway --- but rather some general improvement in the compiler (perhaps loop unrolling/data placement, but most likely autovectorization) that managed to MASSIVELY improve ARM64 performance on this particular piece of code. Presumably (if the change is in LLVM...) Apple picks up the same improvement, but sadly we never got to see the A10 SPEC results. Maybe A11?
So summary - Apple's IPC seems to now be at around 2x ARM competitors for most purposes. (It's at around 1.25x Intel's; but to be fair Intel can clock higher; but to be fair Intel uses more juice) - something interesting happened to 175.vpr on ARM64 in the past year or so, and if anyone knows, they should speak up!
I was hoping for Anand to do a deep dive on the A10. Perhaps they're saving it for the A11? Should be the first ARM core in the world to break 4,000 single core on Geekbench, making it a full 2X faster than the 8895 or 835. It's truly amazing how much further ahead Apple is.
How big are those some cores, again? It's not like this is magic, and these companies know his to make very high IPC if you don't care about cost. Apple has built a massive core, and they pay the price in silicon. ARM, and most of their licensees, are optimizing for silicon area efficiency, not absolute performance.
I think that, as alluded to above, Android and iOS are diverging so much that there's little point comparing Apple IPC to ARM or whoever, you may as well compare it to Power or SPARC.
It would be great to see this with S8+ since both versions have UFS 2.1. I love my S8+ but my battery life has gotten worse after last 2 updates 6+ hours SOT vs 4.5 screen on time now. I think it's a bad app or 2 I downloaded.
So whats the word on Touchwiz this time around? Are there tests sans-touchwiz? They would be certainly better without it. That's got to go for me to buy a Samsung phone ever again.
These tests are either done by a drunkard or you are simply making these numbers up. First of all androbench 5 does not test in 256kb. Either you mean 256mb or you are making this up. Second, Exynos s8 scores average 790mbps random read across 3 tests.
Exynos is the superior chipset yet again. You can claim irrelevant benchmarks all you want. The only thing that matters for real world performance is random/sequential NAND speed, GPU performance, and battery life. All areas the exynos hits a home run.
Umm, ok. AT is rolling in that sweet, um, Qualcomm?, money. The tests were pretty even, and I don't recall having seen any one else run these spec tests against both chipsets while using the same phone form factor. Is it super important that exynos stomp snapdragon?
Presumably you know that people outside the US read Anandtech too? I have little idea what the 'Verizon Droid version' is, and I imagine nor do most readers. Verizon is a cellular network in the US, right? Is their version of the Z Play different somehow?
The hardware is the same, but the Droid edition comes with Verizon's bloatware. I do not know if there are any other differences. I did not have the unlocked version to test, so I kept the Droid label to be safe. Based on past experience, it's very common for phones from different regions/carriers to come with different hardware and software configurations that affect performance.
Samsung fails because they decided to make the back of the phone glass. which is slippery and a fingerprint magnet.
This is the only reason I dont like Samsung phones today , and it seems they still insist on using Glass on the back of the phone that is a fingerprint magnet and will be destroyed if fall on the ground.
That was right around the time the A7 64bit processor came out and Anandtech did a detailed discussion of it. Once it was revealed how far ahead Apple was compared to other ARM processors (like Exynos or Snapdragon) Anandtech was suddenly labeled as being biased. It didn't help when Anand left to work for Apple further fueling the conspiracies that this site is biased.
It's amazing to me that hatred of Apple completely blinds people to the obvious: Apple simply has the most advanced ARM processor in the world.
I wouldn't call it the most advanced, it's a SOC designed for 1 specific device for 1 specific kind of OS. We'll probably never know how it performs on an android device (which is becoming kind of a resource hog with many parts that could be optimized).
It’s poweri the iPad, iPhone, Apple Watch (variation on the A series processors), as well as in their latest generation MacBook Pros, both as an evolving, with software touch strip and secure enclave w/Touch ID. Other sensors have been born as well, including their imaging processor, the ISP. It’s definitely hard to argue it’s not the most advanced, considering the A10X in the new iPads are built on the 7nm process. That’s a first. And their scores (which are insane) will soon (2 months? 3?) be trumped by the 7nm iPhone's A11. As technology marches on...
Could be more scientific. Articles for desktop, make distinctions. You haven't even separated by resolution, dreadfully inaccurate to say the least.
If the JS tests are going to include multiple platforms you need to run all on Chrome. Funny fact, the iPhone is slower in JS tests running Chrome than equivalent droids. That's software, not hardware.
Need another chart to demo battery consumption per FPS. No use in running a game at max if necessitates 200% battery drain over comps.
Is UFS 2.1 what was already known as UFS 3.0 or is it a different standard? What can we expect for next year smartphone? Same 2.1, or 3.0 or 4.0? Thanks a lot.
GSMArena posts this comparison months in advance. All benchmarks show Exynos is superior. Sponsored garbage anandtech posts garbage test months later claiming "everything is even". ya ok.
Ummm, sure. Gsmarena performed specint as well... Please please please tell me you: work for Samsung (so, maybe company loyalty), are Korean (national loyalty) or own stock in Samsung (umm, loyal to your bank account?).
I think some of the fanboys all are missing something. Look at the resolutions of the Samsung vs Apple flagships.
Samsung s8 2960 x1440 (570 ppi) 13.05 sq inch screen area Samsung s8+ 2960x1440 (521 ppi) 12.96sq in screen area Apple iphone 7 1334 x 750 (326 ppi...lol) 9.43 sq inch screen area Apple iphone 7 plus 1920 x 1080 (401 ppi) 12.96 sq in screen area
The samsung is pushing more pixels and clearly is rocking over the iphone. Think about this, which device is doing more work and still excelling? The iphones benches dont see some hot when you look at this way. Even during these tests at FHD+ (2220x1080) its still pushing more pixels that the basically 720p the iphone had going for it. So the next time you think apple is just stomping the competition look a little closer at the inferior specs before spouting nonsense.
For the <a href="https://lowpi.com/us/samsung-s8">Samsung Galaxy S8</a> i prefer the exynos version, because it has double sims and seems to be a little faster than Snapdragon, however the only issue in the USA is that it doesn't have a guarantee.
For the Samsung Galaxy S8 i prefer the exynos version, because it has double sims and seems to be a little faster than Snapdragon, however the only issue in the USA is that it doesn't have a guarantee https://lowpi.com/us/samsung-s8
I think it's clear that Kraken 1.1 is no longer able to accurately bench browser JavaScript performance as it's results are completely backward from Webxprt, Jetstream and pcmark web browsing
Can the Apple fan boys butt out, this is strictly between android users and besides the iPhone x is a joke. Facial recognition is old school, iris scanner is where it's at, they also removed the finger print scanner. Idiotic move by Apple.
agreed, not sure what the idea was to pull fingerprint scanner out when the facial recognition isn't even trusted by apple enough to allow a payment system (apple pay) to work. Where as Samsung pay can emulate credit cards, use fingerprints, pins or iris scan. In that realm samsung is winning as far as actually being used. Other websites will tell you different and say "registered users" but I've yet to see a single apple pay user pay anything anywhere.
Can the Apple fan boys butt out, this is strictly between android users and besides the iPhone x is a joke. Facial recognition is old school, iris scanner is where it's at, they also removed the finger print scanner. Idiotic move by Apple.
this is all drivers and api integrations. not sure what you guys are arguing about. the ones where apple wins they did a custom integration and for as far as we know it cheats the benchmarks. VW anyone?
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PlugPulled - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Lol Apple destroying every other devices for the past 5 years! No chance these companies are going to survive with the might of Apple.mkaibear - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Not sure that Samsung (equity and assets roughly 1.5x Apple) is in any danger of being killed off by Apple, tbh. Nor HTC, LG, Huawei, or especially Google.There's no doubting Apple are top of the heap at the moment with their hardware design. It's just a shame they've got to couple it with iOS really.
melgross - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Nope. Love iOS, can’t stand Android. Just a matter of choice.arsjum - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
You are definitely right about it being a matter of choice, melgross. Love Android, can't stand iOS.SpartanJet - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Agreed ADroid is garbage. iOS is fine for a phone OS.raptormissle - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
I think you mean iOS is fine for a feature phone - which it is.Nullify - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
After being laughed off Arstechnica you're going to try to pull that stuff here? I can't wait until you try to argue processor architecture and get exposed as the fool you are.big-tony - Monday, September 3, 2018 - link
just because you're not smart enough to use Android doesn't mean you have to bash it..lolIOS is for tech-dumb people. IOS holds your hand and restricts everything. Tech power-users use Android.
Hyper72 - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Meh, either OS is fine with me. Live and let live...Sttm - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Yep exactly, I tried an iPhone with the 6s+ but I couldnt stand it. Sure it was smoother than my Samsung phones, but no wireless charging, LCD screen looks like garbage after using OLED, no Always on Display for my night time clock, way too bulky, and there is no back button. That lack of back button was the real dealbreaker. The whole Apple input setup, having to constantly go to the home screen, it was just so annoying.Reminds me of the issue I had with Mac for years, no right button, or side buttons...
D3v - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
Never tried double pressing the home button to move around your opened apps? The ones with a need for a back button have a soft button on screen. I'm an android guy but still, iOS is easy AF to move around in.Dosi - Friday, August 11, 2017 - link
so you never tried to swipe? from left to right or right to left? (it is a very handy feature i missing from android or WP) don't even mention the ForceTouch/3DTouch or whatever you call it...and the wireless charge...that's a feature i never used it with my SGS4 or L1520 or N6, why?
slow, and you have to place into exact place (or it worked that way by that time) and i wanted to use lifted up used for 10 minutes took 5 percent off, put it back charged 2% used again for 10 minutes 5% off again...like trying to revive a person 100 times who's gonna die anyway, and again it was back then 3-4 years ago (still works that way with my N6), while i'm on cable, i can use my phone and yet charging. Until the phones have Wireless Electricity charging option ( works like WiFi) i don't care about WirelessCharging. I still can use my phone for 2 days( bowth N6 and i6s+) without charging as an it, with my samsung s7 or s6 had 1 day battery life with same usage...
and who says it's feature phone(not you), just simply give an android phone to a Blind person...
NOT-A-FREAKIN-FEATURE phone, come in more handy for persons who has disability
yea bit bulky(and after 5 years getting software update), but in this year igonna change
samsung's Edge version phones mostly not working when holding like normal phone as grabbing on both sides, because has bad side rejection, tried mate, had s6-7 i had problems with these. First thing was for me to disable anything related to "edges".
and don't tell me to hold a phone with 2-3 finder on the bottom while "standing" try it for 2-3 hours...
I tried the all the sides, each one of them has their Pros/Cons for, constantly using stock Android and iOS(non-jailbroken)/macOS device and Windows(PC/Phone) as well (working in IT).
So i know the sides, understand most of the person's view, but not accept if somebody has problem with sightseeing...if you are not 100% used the systems, you were just a guest.
There is no Good without Bad...
12552 - Sunday, January 7, 2018 - link
Ever try spwiping from the edge of the screenSmartphoneuser - Monday, September 25, 2017 - link
Can't stand fanboy sheepGalid - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
''There's no doubting Apple are top of the heap at the moment with their hardware design. It's just a shame they've got to couple it with iOS really.''Really funny comment, ''AT THE MOMENT'', more like since the very first freaking iPhone... Is there any phone designed by apple that didn't dominate at least 50% of the benchmarks for nearly a year after it's release? I remember seeing new phones rolling out comparing against 1 year old iPhones and loosing in some benchmarks... Most of the complaints they had was for the design that stayed the same for a while but never for performance EVER.
Android owner for the last 4 years, Nexus 4 died, galaxy s6 died nexus 6p died and now on a galaxy s7. I'm a performance freak, what am I doing with MY LIFE?
milan982 - Monday, July 31, 2017 - link
You are the only one who claims that Snapdragon 835 is faster than Exynos 8895. LOLCbo2plus2 - Wednesday, November 8, 2017 - link
you are so very wrong - where do you get your information from? apple is by far the largest tech company in the world with Samsung coming in a distant 2nd. its closer to apple being 1.5x what Samsung is - you need to do your own research instead of regurgitating fun facts you hear at a party. SMHCbo2plus2 - Wednesday, November 8, 2017 - link
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinstoller/2017/0...djc208 - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Really?! Troll much. There are so many reasons you can't really compare iOS and Android on anything other than a generic level it's not even worth discussing.siamms - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
YOU SIR know what you're talking about;-)Galid - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
You can't compare iOS vs android but you can compare hardware, iphone 6s which is almost 2 years old still tops the charts. I'm a performance freak and always owned android phones, I despise my choice, I freaking hate myself so much.twtech - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
It's not the hardware that's slower. Google's choice to use Java as the primary Android platform is what makes it slower.samike_j - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - link
i hope kotlin changes the game for android.. but i like it's versatility.. there is always an option when it comes to androidUtilityMax - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
iSheeple detectedmelgross - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Once you use a stupid term like that, anything you say is automatically junk.pookguy88 - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
triggeredgoatfajitas - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Yeah, Melgross is another one of those well known "Can't ever hear anything remotely negative about Apple without losing it" people.Ro_Ja - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Ah, yes. Melgross is probably rejected by everyone so he spouts out such statement.Let's agree to disagree.
goatfajitas - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
What benchmarks were you looking at? I was looking at all of the ones in the article above. The S8's win alot of them including most of the batter life as well.akdj - Monday, July 31, 2017 - link
They’re showing the tests from the iPhone 7, the smaller (w/smaller battery) of the two iPhone models - if just considering the battery tests. That said, I believe the iPhone processing isn’t throttling itself. An intensive app's able to 'use' most of the available resources as others (apps) are hibernating in the background.That said ...the A10's almost a year old. The A10X in the iPad is the first 7nm fab'd SoC in the world and it SMOKES! With Apple's history, the 'alot wins for the 835' are sure to disappear.
I’m more curious in the 836 (rumored Pix2) and what it brings to the table. I’m assuming Google's taking a page from Apple's playbook and throwing some development monies at the SD836. Proprietary to Google via Qualcomm?
They’ve got it all. GPU, radios and CPU for a true SoC from a single OEM (I understand that to also be the goal of Cupertino)
GodHatesFAQs - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Apple is 2-3 years ahead in their chip design, correct, but others will survive. No worries.goatfajitas - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
"Apple is 2-3 years ahead in their chip design"You are kind of clueless aren't you. Apple chips do score well, they are certainly high on the list any given year but the high scores and efficiency is due to internal integration and total control of API's and a closed ecosystem, not that the chips are "2-3 years ahead".
akdj - Monday, July 31, 2017 - link
Should’ve seen the looks in the execs' collective faces when Apple announced the 64bit A5.A project 2 years out from consumer testing on QC's drawing board at the time
akdj - Monday, July 31, 2017 - link
'A7'. In the iPhone 5Apologies
goatfajitas - Monday, July 31, 2017 - link
I think you mean ARMDr. Swag - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
I generally put it at a more conservative 1 1/2 years when it comes to cpu performance. As for GPU performance, Qualcomm and apple trade blows every year with other manufacturers falling behind.raptormissle - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Apple is so ahead they're getting beat by OP5's with off the shelf parts LOLvortmax2 - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
I'm glad Apple is in the game to win. They are keeping everyone on their toes - competition is a good thing.oranos - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Every day a new basement dwellers takes the internet further into the useless shthole that it has become today.raptormissle - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Let's see a real world example of an Android phone destroying an iPhone 7 Plus with a faster CPU and faster storage:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQtCeAJBp1A
How does an Android phone destroy an iPhone with a faster CPU and significantly faster storage? I guess Android and its apps must be more optimized than iOS. As an iPhone user, iOS and it's apps have been getting bloated by the year so it's no surprise.
Nullify - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Stupid video. Opening Apps means nothing.The better one is where they test loading large photos and applying effects in real time or rendering 4K video. iPhone 7 absolutely DESTROYS the OnePlus 5. And it's a year old phone on an older process while the 8895/835 are on 10nm.
Even funnier is watching you cry over on Ars when the iPhone 7 spanked every other phone in these App opening videos and you claimed the tests were flawed. Now that the OnePlus 5 opens Apps faster (marginally) suddenly these types of tests are valid? Hypocrite much?
Please stick around Anand. There are a lot of intelligent posters here who have a very good understanding of processor design (including the excellent staff here). I can't wait to hear the responses to your comments.
bigboxes - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
You fanboys are really something. Gotta protect your favorite company from the naysayers at all cost!Galid - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
I don't think you get it peeps, benchmarks here are sustained, opening apps is only using a small % of potential. When the apps/os starts to ask more, most of the android phones have the same problem, underclocking. Yep, it's easy to make a blazing fast processor but it's another feat to make it survive 100% load without underclocking.You might be able to put an 8 cylinder engine into a honda civic and use it to drive around town but push it a little bit too much and the car will suffer heavily. The frame won't support the torque.
Irish_adam - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
First of all your beloved iphone will also drop its clock rates after a couple of minutes because they are all passively cooled and cant sustain high clocks. Second of all i cant believe people still look at these benchmarks and think that its the hardware thats making the difference. We will probably never know who has the best processor because unless you can still android on an iphone or ios on an android phone we will never be able to determine how much an affect the related drivers and software are having on the scores. Its like running a benchmark on a mac vs a windows PC, you could have identical hardware but that doesnt mean the scores will be the same or even close.Irish_adam - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
*installakdj - Monday, July 31, 2017 - link
It’s fairly simple to play the same game on the different hardware, compare from there. Plenty of parity in apps as well ...plenty that 'tax' the SoC and will throttle faster in poorly designed hardware.nikon133 - Sunday, July 30, 2017 - link
I'm a bit surprised that so many are still so focused on raw power. Smart phones have matured so nicely that many of these performance differences are really becoming pointless for majority of users.My colleague - arguably power user - still drives Galaxy S6 and runs everything he requires in very agreeable manner, including Kodi media center with handful of add-ons. I expect he will shift to S8 this year, since his phone is around 2 years old... but that's really just because he can, not because he needs to.
On the other hand, my other colleague has recently purchased new VW Tiguan, and after having fair share of problems between iPhone 7 and cars' infotainment, he has decided to move to S8. He is long term iPhone user - from iPhone 4, if memory serves - and one of company's executives, so cost is not an issue, and he has been replacing his iPhones annually. Definitely not biased towards Android, but currently very happy user of one - according to him, Android Auto is just so much better and more reliable than Apple CarPlay, in his experience (limited to Tiguan). I don't know all the details about his experience with either, but gentleman is one of our company's leading IT specialists and I would expect that problems he was experiencing with iPhone were not typical end-user nonsense.
Which leads me to my conclusion - ultimate performance is nice to have, but only if phone doesn't sacrifice functionality. I was iPhone user, before I have switched to Windows Phone (nd still am using Lumia 950 XL as my personal phone)... but judging from experience with my work-issued Nexus 5X, Android is maturing really nicely. Even with aging hardware such as 5X is (Snap 808), phone is still smooth as with my work needs, and really reliable. First time ever I'm starting to think that my next personal phone will be Android.
tamalero - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
It just shows that certain tests are heavily optimized in IOS.Because if you see the rest of the benchmarks.. the Galaxy S8 pretty much is above the iphones in most tests.
Galid - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
They are not optimized, the iPhones doesn't underclock while in sustained benchmarks, every android phones do underclock.Nshaikh - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Sorry Dude but thats not true enough to fool people around, well the reality is that since laat year iOS device as in Appla has faced a problem of Sales in India besides Android is always a life saver and speaking about Samsung well in Reality my S6 Edge is way better than any of your iOS devices even the latest one does have the same clearity but lacks in switching back and even u can't shut apps off or can't install any pirate softwares without jail break means to say rooting an Android Device and making it a PC is possible but even after Jail-Break u can't make an Apple device turn into Android but an Adroid can be coverted to any platform...The Android powered device carries Hardware that ate Super cool to Competite the Apple iOS device.
xfrgtr - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
Delusional isheep detectedGuccizBud - Monday, October 15, 2018 - link
World mobile market share below. All numbers are percentages except the last column ("ratio") — that column simply divides the "Android" column by the "Apple" column, indicating how many Android devices were sold for each Apple device sold. Sorry if the columns don't line up ᎓Year │Android Apple Other Ratio
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2016 │ 86.2 12.9 0.9 6.7
2015 │ 82.8 13.9 3.3 6.0
2014 │ 84.8 11.6 3.6 7.3
2013 │ 79.8 12.9 7.3 6.2
2012 │ 69.3 16.6 14.1 4.2
Since the information is out there for anyone who cares to know the truth, it is incomprehensible to me that some people will stick their heads in the sand and say unbelievably ignorant things like "Apple are top of the heap at the moment", or ( my personal favorite ) "Apple destroying every other device for the past 5 years". Read that last one again. Then look at the actual data. Then read that again. Try to really get a feel for the extent of human delusion.
If someone says "I like Apple better", I have no problem with it. Even if they say "I think Apple is better in my opinion" I respect that, and what's more I'll respect it whether or not I agree with them. But when someone literally disregards reality, not only do Ihave no respect for then, I find them downright scary.
Saihtam - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Quality piece of article as always on AnandTech! I've waited a long time for this one :)hlovatt - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
How come so sparse on the Apple comparisons? Geekbench also runs on Apple and I thought you had SPEC running on Apple?Overall both processors seem disappointing, not particularly fast CPUs and the GPUs throttle and the battery life is only on a par with other phones.
melgross - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Yes, I keep wondering about that too. There are a lot more tests the iPhone can do than they tend to show. Is that a deliberate choice?It will be interesting to see what this year’s iPhone will do, as it’s just about 6 weeks out. The 7 is almost a year old now.
jordanclock - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Probably because this is, as the title indicates, mainly a comparison of Exynos and Snapdragon in essentially the same phone.solnyshok - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
on S7, I believe only Exynos model got custom ROMs. If you have Snapdragon, you are stuck with Samsung software. Probably same story with S8?joms_us - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Le Pro 3 (SD821) still humiliating top dogs. Keeping mine until they come up with a much faster quad core variant.UtilityMax - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
I personally don't give a damn about the edge screen and I don't like the aspect ratio of the S8 screen. The Nexus 5X feels like a perfect device for my hand, but I can see why S8 can be very popular. A whole lot of people (unlike me) have shorter fingers which can't reach the other side of screen in the one-handed operation. S8 works perfectly for them, and most of them don't care which SoC is inside the phone.1_rick - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
I know a lot of people like to be able to use the phone one-handed but my personal opinion is I've never cared at all about it. I like the bigger screens so I can see more of whatever.Meteor2 - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Buy a tablet then.theuglyman0war - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
between wireless headpiece and watches I'd rather have a larger 19 to 20 " tablet for 90% of my mobile/telephony needs tucked away in a satchel/briefcase/docking workstation in conjunction with a watch to handle all my transitory mobile needs. The phone is either to small or to big and invariably dropped fumbling around for them. Which is to expensive for it's vulnerable pocket size vs expected heavy duty processing expectation. Why desire to go any bigger when I already wish Tablets would become bigger and lighter ( heck in art school I use to walkabout with a 2ft by 4ft homosote artboard custom strapped across my shoulder! )With the new flexible amoled's coming out... I wish I could just have a pressure sensitive display built into my briefcase ( with a fiber optic cover to bring the light to the hard protective surface instead of under thick glass like fiber optic stone ) where I could get real work done anywhere without compromise considering a satchel/briefcase could easily be a portable dock station with i/o devices and storage.
For anything lighter I could just refer to a watch as long as I am wearing a headset for music anyway?
Why am I wasting money and time arguing which phone platform is the best when it is a size/form factor that is beginning to rub me as the weakest link in my investment upgrades? ( between the watch, the phone and the tablet... The Phone seems like it is the redundant fat in the middle that serves the trivial and in-depth purposes poorly? )
Meteor2 - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Love the 5X too, but with modern components you could have a much larger screen for the chassis, and more speed with a longer battery life for the weight.I wish someone would put together such a phone for £500...
(Can't beat ASOP either; I'm using Android O Preview and wouldn't use anything else. iOS simply feels old-fashioned now.)
Tigran - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Is it GFXBench Manhattan 3.1 OFF-screen in GPU Thermal Stability?Matt Humrick - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
The GFXBench Manhattan 3.1 battery test runs onscreenTigran - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
It should, but how can be so high with 1440p? On GRXBench's site there is 19/17.6 in "Manhattan 3.1" and 13.3/12.2 in "Long term performance Manhattan 3.1" - x2 low than your result. Also I don't get this:***
Overall the Galaxy S8 delivers excellent peak graphical performance. It offers a significant performance uplift over the Galaxy S5 and S6, although its gains over the S7 and last year’s crop of S820/S821 flagships ARE NOT AS IMPRESSIVE.
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23-25 fps VS 10 fps in not impressive???
Matt Humrick - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Both of the Galaxy S8 models ran at the default FHD+ (2220x1080) resolution setting in this test. I also added this statement to the article for clarification.Tigran - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
OK, thank you.Tigran - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Also "Battery lifetime - Manhattan 3.1" of E8895 and S835 is nearly the same (183 min & 190 min) according to GFXBench's site, there is no an hour difference. I wonder why there are so big differences between your results and GFXBench's site...Jhlot - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
All these benchmarks are great but the only one I am going to notice an actual difference from are the ones the Moto Z Play Droid just creams.philehidiot - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
A subjective comparison of the two would be good if you can manage it although I appreciate Anandtech is struggling for smartphone reviewers and getting the two models for long enough could be an issue. From my POV my S8 E8895 is pretty slick but you notice the bloatware and it really isn't as smooth as it ought to be. I feel a lot of it is down to poor optimisation of the bloatware which is forced upon you. What I do rather like is the dialer (whilst slow) does look up the number and alert you to "suspected spam" so you can choose to answer the phone as the Savoy Grill or, my personal favourite, the interrogation chamber at Guantanamo Bay.Disabling Bixby on this thing is a must as it's just annoying, intrusive and slows everything down. As well as being useless. I took a picture of a chocolate bar, used "Bixby Vision" to try and search for similar things (dunno why you'd want to do this) and it showed me a bag of chocolate dicks. Erm... okay.... thanks, Samsung.
coder111 - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
What about AOSP or LineageOS support? I know most people don't care, but I do. Is it more likely that Exynos S8 will get decent support, or Snapdragon one? Because that's the major selling point for me. Until there's LineageOS for Samsung S8, I'll prefer OnePlus5.Notmyusualid - Sunday, July 30, 2017 - link
No LineageOS just yet, I've just checked. Loaded Batman ROM instead, seems OK. I changed the ROM, as the phone kept updating, re-enabling bloatware, and making the 'buttons' default to disappear each time, for each app. Also, to my annoyance, I could not uninstall Facebook.But the biggest thing I've not seen mentioned is the fact that the E8895 is a dual-sim phone, which the Snapdragon is not.
My S8 Plus, I noted, was 3rd fastest on the planet in Antutu benchmarks, and cost 31,050 THB, from the Samsung store. Now that the ROM is changed, I'm happy.
jrapoport - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
so, you say "lets see how hardware and software work together"... yet you don't try the "samsung app" on a "samsung phone"... I wonder how the chrome-based benchmarks would come out on the samsung browser instead of using chrome?I know that would make it harder to actually compare apples-to-apples (ha!), but since benchmarks are really already borderline useless, might at least try to make a fairer useless comparison, right?
safari on iPhone, vs chrome on pixel vs samsung browser on samsung phone... I'm guessing they might have some further optimizations going on there?
Infy2 - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
AT apparently no longer provides full featured phone reviews. At this time of the year we have previously seen reviews of Samsung, LG and HTC flagships.jospoortvliet - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
I prefer these unique in-dept dives in hardware over generic reviews you can find on any other site... Great read, as always, though I'd love to see even more about he power usage.Also, when the SOC's are so closely matched by low level benches but the PCMark test shows such a huge difference (note only that one, not the browser benchmarks or games) it might be worthwhile to consider the PCMark test might not be entirely objective. Any other way to manually test some of its scenario's like writing etc to verify it isn't (accidentally, I'm sure) slanted towards the Snapdragon?
Of course it is a reality that there's probably more software optimized for the ubiquitous snapdragon than for the SAMSUNG SOC but with a difference THIS big I think it is warranted to look a bit deeper, ask the vendor perhaps if they have a clue at what might be wrong etcetera.
Lau_Tech - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Let's see if this new approach endures with the new iphoneBadelhas - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
The only thing missing is the HTC U11 to that comparisonBrokenCrayons - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
6.2 inches of screen! That's huge. My first Android tablet had a 7 inch screen. Yeah, there's a lot less bezel around it, but there's a point where a phone becomes too impractical to carry and use and I feel in the name of specs and selling points, we've long since passed that with flagship devices. I'd love to see flagship specs in maybe a 4 to 4.5 inch device. I have nowhere to carry something that big. I guess if it was my only computing device maybe there'd be an excuse for it, but wireless docking and charging would be a must and I'd still prefer a mix of a laptop for big computing tasks and a small phone for computing/communications while on the road.goatfajitas - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
I hear you, but it isnt that big. It's very close to the iPhone 6+ and 7+ in size even though they have a 5.5 inch screen... That and the 5.8 inch model is even smaller, closer to 5.2 inch models from the past 3-4 years. Anyhow, there are options, but what suits you.goatfajitas - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
/edit - buy what suits youzodiacfml - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
It is not that big. The "taller" aspect ratio exaggerates the diagonal. To the article, the 10nm SoC now seems more valuable than benchmarks/reviews I've seen from other sites. Since the Pixel is going to be expensive, taller, no storage expansion and without a headphone jack, I have no ideal phone yet this year. The Mi Mix 2 or the LG V30 might.philehidiot - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Just as a side point, I went from a HTC M9 to an S8. I tried and tested the S8 and S8+. Bear in mind I have small hands to the point where I also pack a pair of socks to compensate. If you're American or not quite so crude that means I prefer a 9mm to a .45. I found the elongated screen of the S8 to be just about tolerable and the advantages for multitasking do outweigh the occasional situation where I need to reach the far end of the screen and can't do it. I suspect most people with normal hands will find the S8 to be perfectly fine from a usability standpoint. Certainly the S8+ I would strongly recommend you try a live model before you buy and perhaps consider waiting for the new Note if big screens are your bag.As for the carrying something that big you haven't heard the worst of it. It's well built - teardowns show this. Equally it's still made of glass for crying out loud. You NEED a case (and what's the point in making something so aesthetically amazing when you have to cover it??!!) and not a light one either. I have a leather fold out case which allows me to watch stuff on the phone at an angle and also takes some cards. Interestingly, it has two magnets right next to where the cards live. I got locked out of my hotel room due to this. Regardless, the necessary beef and size of case required to protect such a fragile device means the size is doubled. If HTC had continued down the metal line I'd have gone with them but it's all about bloody glass these days and I'm sick of it.
Tttimothy2355 - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Apple stocks galaxy awesomesyxbit - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
>>"Our initial look at Snapdragon 835 revealed that its Kryo 280 performance cores are loosely based on ARM’s Cortex-A73 while the efficiency cores are loosely based on the Cortex-A53"Why would you write such a blatant lie. It's not LOOSELY based at all. It's >95% the same chip. QCOM have made minor tweaks just to be able to market it as their own design.
tipoo - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Where would the A10 fall on the ratio/GHz chart I wonder?http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph11540/sams...
name99 - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
We can guess.You can see the A9 results here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphon...
Eyeballing it, they are on average about 1.5x the current A73 results.
A10 results are about 50% faster again, while running at the same frequency as the CPUs referenced in the article, so basically about twice the IPC of the current A73 crop of champions.
One thing that stands out in comparing the SPEC results across all these devices is the massive jump in 175.vpr. A9 (which, like I said, is at around 1.5x for most results) has a value of 2017. This is about in line with what we see for Snapdragon 821. Then we get these massively (2x larger than I'd expect) scores for the other high-end ARM cores.
My guess is that something changed in the compiler in the past year or so. (Since the article doesn't say whether gcc or llvm was used, I can't investigate further.) My guess is likewise that this wasn't something nefarious, some "cheat" to make SPEC results look better --- no-one cares about SPEC2000 on ARM64 anyway --- but rather some general improvement in the compiler (perhaps loop unrolling/data placement, but most likely autovectorization) that managed to MASSIVELY improve ARM64 performance on this particular piece of code.
Presumably (if the change is in LLVM...) Apple picks up the same improvement, but sadly we never got to see the A10 SPEC results. Maybe A11?
So summary
- Apple's IPC seems to now be at around 2x ARM competitors for most purposes. (It's at around 1.25x Intel's; but to be fair Intel can clock higher; but to be fair Intel uses more juice)
- something interesting happened to 175.vpr on ARM64 in the past year or so, and if anyone knows, they should speak up!
Nullify - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
I was hoping for Anand to do a deep dive on the A10. Perhaps they're saving it for the A11? Should be the first ARM core in the world to break 4,000 single core on Geekbench, making it a full 2X faster than the 8895 or 835. It's truly amazing how much further ahead Apple is.tuxRoller - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
How big are those some cores, again?It's not like this is magic, and these companies know his to make very high IPC if you don't care about cost. Apple has built a massive core, and they pay the price in silicon.
ARM, and most of their licensees, are optimizing for silicon area efficiency, not absolute performance.
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10...
Meteor2 - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
I think that, as alluded to above, Android and iOS are diverging so much that there's little point comparing Apple IPC to ARM or whoever, you may as well compare it to Power or SPARC.Alindy - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
It would be great to see this with S8+ since both versions have UFS 2.1. I love my S8+ but my battery life has gotten worse after last 2 updates 6+ hours SOT vs 4.5 screen on time now. I think it's a bad app or 2 I downloaded.Notmyusualid - Sunday, July 30, 2017 - link
Root, change ROM.sonicmerlin - Sunday, July 30, 2017 - link
Aaand that's why I don't like Android.Axiomatic - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
So whats the word on Touchwiz this time around? Are there tests sans-touchwiz? They would be certainly better without it. That's got to go for me to buy a Samsung phone ever again.UtilityMax - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
I don't see touchwiz being intrusive in any way. The bigger issue is now that bixby button you can't remap.oranos - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
These tests are either done by a drunkard or you are simply making these numbers up. First of all androbench 5 does not test in 256kb. Either you mean 256mb or you are making this up. Second, Exynos s8 scores average 790mbps random read across 3 tests.oranos - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
790mbps Sequential read is what I mesntMeteor2 - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Are you drunk?oranos - Tuesday, August 1, 2017 - link
no its called typos on a mobile keyboard neckbeardoranos - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Exynos is the superior chipset yet again. You can claim irrelevant benchmarks all you want. The only thing that matters for real world performance is random/sequential NAND speed, GPU performance, and battery life. All areas the exynos hits a home run.oranos - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
More fake tests. Exynos version on screen time close to an hour more than snapdragon. Keep running these sponsored "tests"tuxRoller - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Umm, ok.AT is rolling in that sweet, um, Qualcomm?, money.
The tests were pretty even, and I don't recall having seen any one else run these spec tests against both chipsets while using the same phone form factor.
Is it super important that exynos stomp snapdragon?
oranos - Tuesday, August 1, 2017 - link
im not going to bother explaining simpleton things to you. if you have no perspective on marketing im not here to lecture you.tuxRoller - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Marketing? All the Qualcomm ads?Obviously you have evidence that their tests were faked.
Meteor2 - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Why do you always call the Moto Z Play the 'Moto Z Play Droid'?Matt Humrick - Friday, July 28, 2017 - link
Because our review unit is the Verizon Droid versionMeteor2 - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Presumably you know that people outside the US read Anandtech too? I have little idea what the 'Verizon Droid version' is, and I imagine nor do most readers. Verizon is a cellular network in the US, right? Is their version of the Z Play different somehow?Matt Humrick - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
The hardware is the same, but the Droid edition comes with Verizon's bloatware. I do not know if there are any other differences. I did not have the unlocked version to test, so I kept the Droid label to be safe. Based on past experience, it's very common for phones from different regions/carriers to come with different hardware and software configurations that affect performance.samer1970 - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Samsung fails because they decided to make the back of the phone glass. which is slippery and a fingerprint magnet.This is the only reason I dont like Samsung phones today , and it seems they still insist on using Glass on the back of the phone that is a fingerprint magnet and will be destroyed if fall on the ground.
unlike plastic cover or Metal ones.
UtilityMax - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Wait a sec. You use a smartphone without a protective case? Please. Do you think it's some kind of a fashion accessory? Put a case on it.Icehawk - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
NoRo_Ja - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Samsung please bless us with a non edge S8.asfletch - Sunday, July 30, 2017 - link
S8 Active?Lolimaster - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
Why bother with "custom" "fancy name" Cortex A73 cores when the vanilla A73 is just better while being cheaper. Just stick the adreno to it.skavi - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
I remember when the Anandtech comments section used to be filled with intelligent, insightful discussion.Nullify - Saturday, July 29, 2017 - link
That was right around the time the A7 64bit processor came out and Anandtech did a detailed discussion of it. Once it was revealed how far ahead Apple was compared to other ARM processors (like Exynos or Snapdragon) Anandtech was suddenly labeled as being biased. It didn't help when Anand left to work for Apple further fueling the conspiracies that this site is biased.It's amazing to me that hatred of Apple completely blinds people to the obvious: Apple simply has the most advanced ARM processor in the world.
Lolimaster - Sunday, July 30, 2017 - link
I wouldn't call it the most advanced, it's a SOC designed for 1 specific device for 1 specific kind of OS. We'll probably never know how it performs on an android device (which is becoming kind of a resource hog with many parts that could be optimized).akdj - Monday, July 31, 2017 - link
It’s poweri the iPad, iPhone, Apple Watch (variation on the A series processors), as well as in their latest generation MacBook Pros, both as an evolving, with software touch strip and secure enclave w/Touch ID. Other sensors have been born as well, including their imaging processor, the ISP. It’s definitely hard to argue it’s not the most advanced, considering the A10X in the new iPads are built on the 7nm process.That’s a first. And their scores (which are insane) will soon (2 months? 3?) be trumped by the 7nm iPhone's A11. As technology marches on...
Speedfriend - Tuesday, August 1, 2017 - link
I think you mean 10nm....Lolimaster - Sunday, July 30, 2017 - link
For example, Windows Phone 8 was snappier than the Android of it's time both with the same ARM SOC.boozed - Sunday, July 30, 2017 - link
Showing your age...KevinKettler78 - Sunday, July 30, 2017 - link
Could be more scientific. Articles for desktop, make distinctions. You haven't even separated by resolution, dreadfully inaccurate to say the least.If the JS tests are going to include multiple platforms you need to run all on Chrome. Funny fact, the iPhone is slower in JS tests running Chrome than equivalent droids. That's software, not hardware.
Need another chart to demo battery consumption per FPS. No use in running a game at max if necessitates 200% battery drain over comps.
SydneyBlue120d - Monday, July 31, 2017 - link
Is UFS 2.1 what was already known as UFS 3.0 or is it a different standard? What can we expect for next year smartphone? Same 2.1, or 3.0 or 4.0? Thanks a lot.oranos - Tuesday, August 1, 2017 - link
GSMArena posts this comparison months in advance. All benchmarks show Exynos is superior. Sponsored garbage anandtech posts garbage test months later claiming "everything is even". ya ok.tuxRoller - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Ummm, sure.Gsmarena performed specint as well...
Please please please tell me you: work for Samsung (so, maybe company loyalty), are Korean (national loyalty) or own stock in Samsung (umm, loyal to your bank account?).
xfrgtr - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
S8 the bestLookAtTheSpecs - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
I think some of the fanboys all are missing something. Look at the resolutions of the Samsung vs Apple flagships.Samsung s8 2960 x1440 (570 ppi) 13.05 sq inch screen area
Samsung s8+ 2960x1440 (521 ppi) 12.96sq in screen area
Apple iphone 7 1334 x 750 (326 ppi...lol) 9.43 sq inch screen area
Apple iphone 7 plus 1920 x 1080 (401 ppi) 12.96 sq in screen area
The samsung is pushing more pixels and clearly is rocking over the iphone. Think about this, which device is doing more work and still excelling? The iphones benches dont see some hot when you look at this way. Even during these tests at FHD+ (2220x1080) its still pushing more pixels that the basically 720p the iphone had going for it. So the next time you think apple is just stomping the competition look a little closer at the inferior specs before spouting nonsense.
LookAtTheSpecs - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Galaxy S8+ 15.12 sq inchesFrank Krammer - Friday, August 18, 2017 - link
For the <a href="https://lowpi.com/us/samsung-s8">Samsung Galaxy S8</a> i prefer the exynos version, because it has double sims and seems to be a little faster than Snapdragon, however the only issue in the USA is that it doesn't have a guarantee.Frank Krammer - Friday, August 18, 2017 - link
For the Samsung Galaxy S8 i prefer the exynos version, because it has double sims and seems to be a little faster than Snapdragon, however the only issue in the USA is that it doesn't have a guarantee https://lowpi.com/us/samsung-s8Wardrive86 - Friday, August 25, 2017 - link
I think it's clear that Kraken 1.1 is no longer able to accurately bench browser JavaScript performance as it's results are completely backward from Webxprt, Jetstream and pcmark web browsingwqcr - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Reminds me of why I think I have the best CPU on my phone - Snapdragon 625 ;)ArkonEmperor - Saturday, October 7, 2017 - link
Can the Apple fan boys butt out, this is strictly between android users and besides the iPhone x is a joke. Facial recognition is old school, iris scanner is where it's at, they also removed the finger print scanner. Idiotic move by Apple.us - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
agreed, not sure what the idea was to pull fingerprint scanner out when the facial recognition isn't even trusted by apple enough to allow a payment system (apple pay) to work. Where as Samsung pay can emulate credit cards, use fingerprints, pins or iris scan. In that realm samsung is winning as far as actually being used. Other websites will tell you different and say "registered users" but I've yet to see a single apple pay user pay anything anywhere.ArkonEmperor - Saturday, October 7, 2017 - link
Can the Apple fan boys butt out, this is strictly between android users and besides the iPhone x is a joke. Facial recognition is old school, iris scanner is where it's at, they also removed the finger print scanner. Idiotic move by Apple.us - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
this is all drivers and api integrations. not sure what you guys are arguing about. the ones where apple wins they did a custom integration and for as far as we know it cheats the benchmarks. VW anyone?Stella485 - Saturday, August 4, 2018 - link
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