Good. The power consumtion of these fast m-type ssd has been way above sata based siblins. How Many kidneys we need to sell to het these? Enterprice wording is always a warning sign, but Hopefully customer products Also get these upgrades Sooner or later.
A massively, hilariously overblown issue. Unless you are running SSD benchmarks 24/7, no consumer workload will ever see and SSD controller start to throttle. It's a total nonissue for enterprise, where sinking <10W of heat from forced airflow alone is a "what, but we were already doing that anyway" non-problem.
Bingo. These aren't for your laptop. The top side can have heat management solutions in servers the bottom side can't. This is critical because the expectation is 24/7 full speed operation in the smallest possible form factor.
"Bingo. These aren't for your laptop." ------------------------------------------------- Do I need to build a thunderzolt to U.2 breakout box to prove you wrong?
Are you referring to "MY" laptop specifically or the current crop of laptops in general?
I actually prefer insane speeds in a removable (easily swappable) drive
I was talking about the thermal and capacity reasons the server market uses M.2 22110 the jamb a ton of these into a single server. What the hell is your point?
Actually, the 21110 (ie 110mm) formfactor is used so that they can add the additional Power Loss Protection circuitry and capacitors by simply extending the 2180 (ie 80mm) formfactor. That's primarily the 4 big capacitors on the left side of the article's main picture.
I don't have ANY internal drives on any of my computers
A single U.2 could be attached to a thunderzolt port with a single cable
I would only want a breakout box for RAID U.2 drives
If Optane SSD's can be made to operate at high temps without throttling or destroying themselves, we might see smaller USB-C/thunderzolt thumbdrives that you could boot to as well
Silicon carbide LED lights work great at higher temps than the older gen LED's and with less heat sink material
If you can build bootable thumbdrives the same way and make them waterproof, I'll buy a dozen!
It would be nice to have a thumbdrive faster than an internal SSD that I can drop into a cup of water to cool down before sticking it in my pocket and a 6" extender cable would prevent finger burns when unplugging it
Heat is not the problem if you do this right!
I want FAST / portable / bootable drives as small as possible
"The gold master now is Samsung SSD. Check out Samsung Portable SSD T3" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nope!
I need a portable drive that boots to SATA or ESata like the 850 Pro
If I want a portable drive to be limited to strictly a USB O.S. like Win2Go or Linux, I just use my Corsair GTX
Thanks anyway though
All my boot drives are portable but not all of them are limited to just USB
Nice article Billy. I noticed in the table that the interface is PCIe 3.1 rather than 3.0. What are the implications of that? What does features does 3.1 bring to the the table?
Woggs says..... "Bingo. These aren't for your laptop. The top side can have heat management solutions in servers the bottom side can't. This is critical because the expectation is 24/7 full speed operation in the smallest possible form factor."
"I was talking about the thermal and capacity reasons the server market uses M.2 22110 the jamb a ton of these into a single server. What the hell is your point?" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The point Mr Woggs is that you are making assumptions about "other peoples" laptops and how they will or will not be used
By making an assumption for "other peoples" laptops, did you take into consideration that.... A. It comes in U.2 form factor? B. Others might access and use even the M.2 drives in a server rack from their laptop? (ever heard of onedrive, google drive or dropbox?)
Would I use these for my laptop? NO, but I "Could" Please make your assumptions about your own laptop to avoid the confusion You really have no clue as to what "others" will use these drives for
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Mobile-Dom - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
M.2 22110? what the hell Intel, just do 2280 dual sided PCBshaukionkannel - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
Good. The power consumtion of these fast m-type ssd has been way above sata based siblins. How Many kidneys we need to sell to het these? Enterprice wording is always a warning sign, but Hopefully customer products Also get these upgrades Sooner or later.SharpEars - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
You do realize that heat is an issue for SSDs?edzieba - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
A massively, hilariously overblown issue. Unless you are running SSD benchmarks 24/7, no consumer workload will ever see and SSD controller start to throttle. It's a total nonissue for enterprise, where sinking <10W of heat from forced airflow alone is a "what, but we were already doing that anyway" non-problem.FwFred - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
Despite the M.2 form factor, these are enterprise drive meant for server workloads.vladx - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
Lol the P4501 is an enterprise drive which usually needs to run 24/7 in most cases.Morawka - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
Actually M.2's used as cache drive overheat frequently, especially in Qnap NAS units.woggs - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
Bingo. These aren't for your laptop. The top side can have heat management solutions in servers the bottom side can't. This is critical because the expectation is 24/7 full speed operation in the smallest possible form factor.Bullwinkle J Moose - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
"Bingo. These aren't for your laptop."-------------------------------------------------
Do I need to build a thunderzolt to U.2 breakout box to prove you wrong?
Are you referring to "MY" laptop specifically or the current crop of laptops in general?
I actually prefer insane speeds in a removable (easily swappable) drive
woggs - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
I was talking about the thermal and capacity reasons the server market uses M.2 22110 the jamb a ton of these into a single server. What the hell is your point?stux - Friday, July 7, 2017 - link
Actually, the 21110 (ie 110mm) formfactor is used so that they can add the additional Power Loss Protection circuitry and capacitors by simply extending the 2180 (ie 80mm) formfactor. That's primarily the 4 big capacitors on the left side of the article's main picture.Wish they'd make a small one in 2280 though :(
Lord of the Bored - Thursday, June 8, 2017 - link
"Do I need to build a thunderzolt to U.2 breakout box to prove you wrong?"Yes. Not even my argument, but I wanna see a TB-U.2 adapter.
Bullwinkle J Moose - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
I don't have ANY internal drives on any of my computersA single U.2 could be attached to a thunderzolt port with a single cable
I would only want a breakout box for RAID U.2 drives
If Optane SSD's can be made to operate at high temps without throttling or destroying themselves, we might see smaller USB-C/thunderzolt thumbdrives that you could boot to as well
Silicon carbide LED lights work great at higher temps than the older gen LED's and with less heat sink material
If you can build bootable thumbdrives the same way and make them waterproof, I'll buy a dozen!
It would be nice to have a thumbdrive faster than an internal SSD that I can drop into a cup of water to cool down before sticking it in my pocket and a 6" extender cable would prevent finger burns when unplugging it
Heat is not the problem if you do this right!
I want FAST / portable / bootable drives as small as possible
AnTech - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
The gold master now is Samsung SSD. Check out Samsung Portable SSD T3 to boot Mac and work from it all day log. And keeps cold!Bullwinkle J Moose - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
"The gold master now is Samsung SSD. Check out Samsung Portable SSD T3"
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Nope!
I need a portable drive that boots to SATA or ESata like the 850 Pro
If I want a portable drive to be limited to strictly a USB O.S. like Win2Go or Linux, I just use my Corsair GTX
Thanks anyway though
All my boot drives are portable but not all of them are limited to just USB
JoeDuarte - Monday, June 5, 2017 - link
Nice article Billy. I noticed in the table that the interface is PCIe 3.1 rather than 3.0. What are the implications of that? What does features does 3.1 bring to the the table?Bullwinkle J Moose - Tuesday, June 6, 2017 - link
Woggs says....."Bingo. These aren't for your laptop. The top side can have heat management solutions in servers the bottom side can't. This is critical because the expectation is 24/7 full speed operation in the smallest possible form factor."
"I was talking about the thermal and capacity reasons the server market uses M.2 22110 the jamb a ton of these into a single server. What the hell is your point?"
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The point Mr Woggs is that you are making assumptions about "other peoples" laptops and how they will or will not be used
By making an assumption for "other peoples" laptops, did you take into consideration that....
A. It comes in U.2 form factor?
B. Others might access and use even the M.2 drives in a server rack from their laptop?
(ever heard of onedrive, google drive or dropbox?)
Would I use these for my laptop?
NO, but I "Could"
Please make your assumptions about your own laptop to avoid the confusion
You really have no clue as to what "others" will use these drives for
So.......
What the hell is your point?