"arguably DDR4 is much better, even though LPDDR3 has ‘low power’ in the name"
False. LPDDR3 has 1/7th the standby power of DDR3. DDR4 is a natural progression from DDR3, while LPDDR3 is a low power optimized variant. I doubt the load power figures are better either. They are both at 1.2V, but DDR4 clocks noticeably higher, negating whatever technological advancements DDR4 has to reduce load power and is likely even higher.
DDR4 supports per IC voltage, rather than injecting a single voltage at the first IC and hoping there's enough left for the last. So arguably each IC can be configured to an ideal voltage.
I found that 1/7 figure you stated, but only in reference to LPDDR3 compared to DDR3, not LPDDR3 compared to DDR4. You can get lower clocked DDR4-1600, so saying it is higher clocked isn't an issue.
I actually just picked up my MateBook X review unit. It's running 8GB of LPDDR3, and flicks between 1066 MT/s at 10-10-10 with 1866 MT/s at 14-17-17. So the nominal rating on the spec sheet should be 1866 MT/s
Parent is right, lpddr3 uses less power than ddr4 in standby with a huge margin and ever so slightly more when active. Apple choose lpddr3 for this reason as did Dell in the XPS. It does limit memory size to 16gb (not 8) while ddr4 would allow 32gb ram.
The GeForce 940MX was launched in March 2016 according to this statement on NV's site:
"1 - 1.0x = performance of HD4400. GeForce performance score based on relative game performance. Games selected based on popularity at time of GPU launch, March 2016."
While it is a refresh of the original mobile 940, it's not quite the 2014 era hardware this article makes it out to be and it's rated at 15-25W per notebookcheck.net
Ah sorry, I meant the GPU architecture (Maxwell) was launched in 2014.
I'd argue that putting that 15-25W into a higher class CPU with beefier graphics (28W Iris?) would have a better response perhaps. Is the demand for discrete GPUs that high that OpenCL on Iris can't provide? I sat next to a journalist at the launch with a Surface Book, and she said that the dGPU was great for her video editing.
Agree on the CPU wattage, and make the thing much thicker for better keyboard travel, better cooling, room for a dGPU, maintainability, upgradeability, battery swappability etc.
Iris, while nice on paper, is unfortunately too expensive to make any sense.
It would seem to make more sense to use a CPU with Iris. The overall power consumption of the system would be a little lower and there's less motherboard complexity. I wonder if there's a cost benefit in picking the 940MX. Maybe it's actually less expensive for Huawei to include the discrete GPU. And then there's availability of Iris parts. I often wonder if there just aren't enough of them being produced to cope with demand or perhaps Intel isn't producing them because OEMs aren't asking for those SKUs.
15 years after HDMI launched, not a single projector in my school supports HDMI. We started putting Apple TVs for Mac and iPhone users, but Windows and Android people were left totally in the dust.
But hopefully Canon and Ice Lake systems could integrate Hypetane into the motherboard for a Linux based VM boot launcher
It would be nice to boot directly to your VM of choice or several simultaneously with Video passthrough and switch VM's instantly with a hotkey press
With a VM launcher on an integrated hypetane chip or even in the UEFI, I think we could see under 10 second boot times for your VM of choice
VM's could be on a M.2 or thumbdrive SSD for security with only the VM Launcher residing on the Hypetane chip
Ever since the hardware manufacturers began limiting what I can boot to, I have been working on several methods of bypassing those limitations
Hopefully, I will have 2 methods of booting directly to a VM of choice on the day Canon lake arrives, but this 3rd method cannot be implemented by the End User but may be the most ideal
Boot to DOS/chrome/Linux/XP or whatever you want..... Even a Spyware Platform!
I think it's a reference to the Huawei P10 debacle, just the usual exaggeration from people just same as with the GTX 970 where having "only 3.5Gb" had to real impact on its' performance.
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IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - link
"arguably DDR4 is much better, even though LPDDR3 has ‘low power’ in the name"False. LPDDR3 has 1/7th the standby power of DDR3. DDR4 is a natural progression from DDR3, while LPDDR3 is a low power optimized variant. I doubt the load power figures are better either. They are both at 1.2V, but DDR4 clocks noticeably higher, negating whatever technological advancements DDR4 has to reduce load power and is likely even higher.
Ian Cutress - Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - link
DDR4 supports per IC voltage, rather than injecting a single voltage at the first IC and hoping there's enough left for the last. So arguably each IC can be configured to an ideal voltage.I found that 1/7 figure you stated, but only in reference to LPDDR3 compared to DDR3, not LPDDR3 compared to DDR4. You can get lower clocked DDR4-1600, so saying it is higher clocked isn't an issue.
I actually just picked up my MateBook X review unit. It's running 8GB of LPDDR3, and flicks between 1066 MT/s at 10-10-10 with 1866 MT/s at 14-17-17. So the nominal rating on the spec sheet should be 1866 MT/s
jospoortvliet - Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - link
Parent is right, lpddr3 uses less power than ddr4 in standby with a huge margin and ever so slightly more when active. Apple choose lpddr3 for this reason as did Dell in the XPS. It does limit memory size to 16gb (not 8) while ddr4 would allow 32gb ram.Shadow880 - Thursday, May 25, 2017 - link
Why don't they use LPDDR4?BrokenCrayons - Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - link
The GeForce 940MX was launched in March 2016 according to this statement on NV's site:"1 - 1.0x = performance of HD4400. GeForce performance score based on relative game performance. Games selected based on popularity at time of GPU launch, March 2016."
Source: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/gefo...
While it is a refresh of the original mobile 940, it's not quite the 2014 era hardware this article makes it out to be and it's rated at 15-25W per notebookcheck.net
https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-940MX...
Ian Cutress - Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - link
Ah sorry, I meant the GPU architecture (Maxwell) was launched in 2014.I'd argue that putting that 15-25W into a higher class CPU with beefier graphics (28W Iris?) would have a better response perhaps. Is the demand for discrete GPUs that high that OpenCL on Iris can't provide? I sat next to a journalist at the launch with a Surface Book, and she said that the dGPU was great for her video editing.
Klug4Pres - Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - link
Agree on the CPU wattage, and make the thing much thicker for better keyboard travel, better cooling, room for a dGPU, maintainability, upgradeability, battery swappability etc.Iris, while nice on paper, is unfortunately too expensive to make any sense.
BrokenCrayons - Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - link
It would seem to make more sense to use a CPU with Iris. The overall power consumption of the system would be a little lower and there's less motherboard complexity. I wonder if there's a cost benefit in picking the 940MX. Maybe it's actually less expensive for Huawei to include the discrete GPU. And then there's availability of Iris parts. I often wonder if there just aren't enough of them being produced to cope with demand or perhaps Intel isn't producing them because OEMs aren't asking for those SKUs.jsntech - Tuesday, May 23, 2017 - link
The slowly-growing trend back to squarer displays (3:2 here) is making me very happy.ied - Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - link
Agreed... Of course the decently sized 15.6" model is still 16:9 though. Meh.beginner99 - Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - link
Cool a dock included...omg it doesn't have Ethernet. But VGA why VGA?Ian Cutress - Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - link
The number of office meeting rooms that still require a VGA video connector for presentations is in the millions.WPX00 - Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - link
15 years after HDMI launched, not a single projector in my school supports HDMI. We started putting Apple TVs for Mac and iPhone users, but Windows and Android people were left totally in the dust.Visual - Thursday, May 25, 2017 - link
And it's not even a dock, just a USB dongle. That marketing spin is incredible.Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - link
I like 3:2 displays and I prefer 8GB Minimum RamBut hopefully Canon and Ice Lake systems could integrate Hypetane into the motherboard for a Linux based VM boot launcher
It would be nice to boot directly to your VM of choice or several simultaneously with Video passthrough and switch VM's instantly with a hotkey press
With a VM launcher on an integrated hypetane chip or even in the UEFI, I think we could see under 10 second boot times for your VM of choice
VM's could be on a M.2 or thumbdrive SSD for security with only the VM Launcher residing on the Hypetane chip
Ever since the hardware manufacturers began limiting what I can boot to, I have been working on several methods of bypassing those limitations
Hopefully, I will have 2 methods of booting directly to a VM of choice on the day Canon lake arrives, but this 3rd method cannot be implemented by the End User but may be the most ideal
Boot to DOS/chrome/Linux/XP or whatever you want.....
Even a Spyware Platform!
Giggity
amdwilliam1985 - Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - link
What's the returning policy on these laptops?What if you bought i5/i7 and got an i3? Can you exchange it? Return it?
PCI-E SSD? What if it's eMMC?
Ian Cutress - Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - link
What? You buy the spec, you don't just get one out of a random bin. It's like buying any other laptop.For the Matebook X, it's a PCIe 3.0 SSD, from LiteOn. Still need to determine if it's x2 or x4.
vladx - Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - link
I think it's a reference to the Huawei P10 debacle, just the usual exaggeration from people just same as with the GTX 970 where having "only 3.5Gb" had to real impact on its' performance.amdwilliam1985 - Wednesday, May 24, 2017 - link
it's not an exaggeration when you've picked the short straw and got the neutered phones ;(vladx - Thursday, May 25, 2017 - link
Clearly you didn't have both versions, there's no noticeable difference in real world situations.aleion - Sunday, May 28, 2017 - link
Pokemon Today News : Pokemon Go Promo Code For Coins & Pokemon Go Promo codes http://www.promocodeway.com/coupons/pokemon-go-pro...Evil Underlord - Monday, May 29, 2017 - link
If this had a serious keyboard and a less glossy screen, I'd buy it in a flash.So much for Lenovo's argument that it's impossible to buy 3:2 panels (unless you're Apple, or Microsoft, or a newcomer to PCs like Huawei).
Haozhen Li - Saturday, June 24, 2017 - link
Well...Xiaomi's laptop is obviously better than these products