Samsung's NVME drives are known to throttle on prolonged sequential operations. It has somewhat been reduced on the 960 via the copper tape, but it will still throttle if you push it.
That being said, it is highly unlikely that a consumer would ever get into a scenario that involves the rapid transfer of so much data in so little time, as we are talking hundreds of gigabytes at the drive's peak throughput.
But then again, a consumer is also not likely to experience any sort of benefit from such a fast SSD that it would need to throttle. So the price premium is not justified either. Prosumers would be the ones mostly interested in uber fast storage, and willing to pay the price premium, and there in some, albeit a few workloads, it is possible to get the drive throttling while doing something practically useful.
M2 has very big form factor advantage, it would be stupid to make it in any other format, as that would greatly limit the devices you can put the SSD into. If you are putting it inside a PC, then you will have ample space to simply glue a small heatsink using thermally conductive double sided tape.
"What else is there? You want some more sata ssd's?" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course we "should" all want more SATA SSD's!
M.2 are a Huge security risk
If you use Windows, M.2 requires one of the newer Spyware Platforms to boot from SATA drives do not!
Windows 7/8 and 10 will install secure (Non-Microsoft) encryption software correctly and without error messages They will allow you to make an encrypted drive without errors and open the encrypted drive you just made, however, the 2nd time you open the encrypted drive using any encryption software on Microsofts Blacklist, the OS gives you a Bluecreen and quickly reboot before you can read the error message, which says (if you record the screen with a camera) that an (unspecified) error has occured and Microsoft is sending the contents of RAM to a Microsoft server for analysis
The contents of RAM contain your encryption key and the error was that you tried to use "SECURE" encryption you silly noob
The UEFI BIOS on modern MB's can also be used against you when using Linux
Keylogging and sending encrypted data also adds to the stress and paranoia surrounding Spyware Platform 10, especially if you have ever read the one sided extort...er...Licencing Agreement
Claims of Scrubbing Passwords and private info from data sent to Microsoft in no way indicates that they scrub personal data sent to Government Servers
But hey, it's not really considered Spying until a warrant is issued, am I right?
SATA SSD's work on older BIOS motherboards with Windows XP Secure Encryption also works on XP
Microsoft Keylogging can be avoided on XP
ALL Microsoft components can be blocked from Internet access using "certain" aftermarket firewalls in XP but not in Spyware Platforms 7/8 or 10
Therefore, M.2 SSD's have a Zero Day vulnerability that cannot be patched
and the 32 digit key identifier attached to every backdoored bitlocker encrypted disk does nothing to stanch the paranoia
I can go on and on for another hour but the Snowden Interviews that were removed from the Internet said it best
With any "modern" OS, I can watch you "as you type" and edit your messages (before they are encrypted and sent with WhatsApp or any other end2end encryption product)
"So it sounds like you want us to go back to Windows XP..." --------------------------------------------------------------------------
XP won't help.... You're all screwed
modern motherboards prevent XP from booting and running a VM from within a Spyware Platform defeats the purpose of having a secure VM
Buck up little Buckaroo, Take yer meds, cinch up that tinfoil hat and sign the non-disclosure agreements... Now close yer eyes, cross your fingers and click your heels three times as you chant, I believe this REALLY IS the sourcecode to retail copies of Windows that Microsoft is showing us in a controlled environment, under threat of disclosure to calm our fears
It's NOT a fake copy It's NOT It REALLY REALLY isn't It MUST be true!
Microsoft told me so, and they would never lie just to steal our future and control the World for their own benefit.....
doggface "Someone needs to go back on his meds methinks." ---------------------------------------------------------------------
You would need to be a complete and total moron to think that!
Everyone on the Planet knows what Microsoft is doing, so denying it only makes you a Liar or and/or an Idiot
"There isn't a full list of Full telemetry mode data, however; while the company is offering documentation of the kinds of data it can collect, it isn't doing so in the same exhaustive way as it is for the Basic setting. The company is also not offering documentation for older Windows 10 versions nor for the data collection in Windows 7 or Windows 8.1."
It is easy enough to reverse engineer what Microsoft has done even though they are refusing to document the data gathered in earlier versions of Windows 10 as well as 7 and 8.1
Microsoft, in Legalspeak, has stated that personal data is not being collected for advertising, but they REFUSE to state that personal data is not being collected or used for other purposes
you are free to fool yourself, however user comments at every tech site on the Planet clearly show that you are not fooling anyone else with your childish comments
HomeworldFound "I used to be more paranoid than that. I was even seeing things. They gave me medication." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, I've heard about those Chinese Generics destroying your survival instincts and Logic areas of the brain but I never knew they were that bad....
Please do not try swimming with Polar Bears at the Zoo!
Microsoft and other Vicious animals are NOT your friends!
It's kinda frightening what Corporations can get away with today. It's also frightening how little the public cares about these issues. The slippery slope is very slippery.
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lazarpandar - Tuesday, April 4, 2017 - link
zzzzz.........waiting for some competition for Samsung in the multi-terabyte space
ddriver - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
Yeah, samsung is like a good 2 years ahead of the competition, and they don't even try that hard...Magichands8 - Tuesday, April 4, 2017 - link
M.2? But, why?shabby - Tuesday, April 4, 2017 - link
What else is there? You want some more sata ssd's?vladx - Tuesday, April 4, 2017 - link
Well there's U.2 as well for PCIe SSDs which has the advantage of better cooling the drive.jordanclock - Tuesday, April 4, 2017 - link
Are there really scenarios where heat has been a concern for M.2 drives in consumer uses? I know I haven't had any, but that's just one anecdote.ddriver - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
Samsung's NVME drives are known to throttle on prolonged sequential operations. It has somewhat been reduced on the 960 via the copper tape, but it will still throttle if you push it.That being said, it is highly unlikely that a consumer would ever get into a scenario that involves the rapid transfer of so much data in so little time, as we are talking hundreds of gigabytes at the drive's peak throughput.
But then again, a consumer is also not likely to experience any sort of benefit from such a fast SSD that it would need to throttle. So the price premium is not justified either. Prosumers would be the ones mostly interested in uber fast storage, and willing to pay the price premium, and there in some, albeit a few workloads, it is possible to get the drive throttling while doing something practically useful.
ddriver - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
M2 has very big form factor advantage, it would be stupid to make it in any other format, as that would greatly limit the devices you can put the SSD into. If you are putting it inside a PC, then you will have ample space to simply glue a small heatsink using thermally conductive double sided tape.rpg1966 - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
On True, but on some motherboards the M2 slot is right underneath a graphics card etc, where there's not ample space.ddriver - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
There is still enough clearance for enough of a heatsink to do the job.Gasaraki88 - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
Fuck U.2. It's dead on arrival.msabercr - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
No its not, its a DC solution. That's like saying SAS is dead on arrival.Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
"What else is there? You want some more sata ssd's?"-------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course we "should" all want more SATA SSD's!
M.2 are a Huge security risk
If you use Windows, M.2 requires one of the newer Spyware Platforms to boot from
SATA drives do not!
Windows 7/8 and 10 will install secure (Non-Microsoft) encryption software correctly and without error messages
They will allow you to make an encrypted drive without errors and open the encrypted drive you just made, however, the 2nd time you open the encrypted drive using any encryption software on Microsofts Blacklist, the OS gives you a Bluecreen and quickly reboot before you can read the error message, which says (if you record the screen with a camera) that an (unspecified) error has occured and Microsoft is sending the contents of RAM to a Microsoft server for analysis
The contents of RAM contain your encryption key and the error was that you tried to use "SECURE" encryption you silly noob
The UEFI BIOS on modern MB's can also be used against you when using Linux
Keylogging and sending encrypted data also adds to the stress and paranoia surrounding Spyware Platform 10, especially if you have ever read the one sided extort...er...Licencing Agreement
https://betanews.com/2016/08/19/microsoft-sneaky-d...
Claims of Scrubbing Passwords and private info from data sent to Microsoft in no way indicates that they scrub personal data sent to Government Servers
But hey, it's not really considered Spying until a warrant is issued, am I right?
SATA SSD's work on older BIOS motherboards with Windows XP
Secure Encryption also works on XP
Microsoft Keylogging can be avoided on XP
ALL Microsoft components can be blocked from Internet access using "certain" aftermarket firewalls in XP but not in Spyware Platforms 7/8 or 10
Therefore, M.2 SSD's have a Zero Day vulnerability that cannot be patched
and the 32 digit key identifier attached to every backdoored bitlocker encrypted disk does nothing to stanch the paranoia
I can go on and on for another hour but the Snowden Interviews that were removed from the Internet said it best
With any "modern" OS, I can watch you "as you type" and edit your messages (before they are encrypted and sent with WhatsApp or any other end2end encryption product)
Gasaraki88 - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
Let's not all wear tinfoil hats now...Gasaraki88 - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
So it sounds like you want us to go back to Windows XP...BrokenCrayons - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
Don't feed the troll.Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
"So it sounds like you want us to go back to Windows XP..."--------------------------------------------------------------------------
XP won't help....
You're all screwed
modern motherboards prevent XP from booting and running a VM from within a Spyware Platform defeats the purpose of having a secure VM
Buck up little Buckaroo,
Take yer meds, cinch up that tinfoil hat and sign the non-disclosure agreements...
Now close yer eyes, cross your fingers and click your heels three times as you chant, I believe this REALLY IS the sourcecode to retail copies of Windows that Microsoft is showing us in a controlled environment, under threat of disclosure to calm our fears
It's NOT a fake copy
It's NOT
It REALLY REALLY isn't
It MUST be true!
Microsoft told me so, and they would never lie just to steal our future and control the World for their own benefit.....
Would they?
NO NO NO....
I B E L I E E E E V E
msabercr - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
... <shrug>doggface - Wednesday, April 5, 2017 - link
Someone needs to go back on his meds methinks.Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, April 6, 2017 - link
doggface"Someone needs to go back on his meds methinks."
---------------------------------------------------------------------
You would need to be a complete and total moron to think that!
Everyone on the Planet knows what Microsoft is doing, so denying it only makes you a Liar or and/or an Idiot
"There isn't a full list of Full telemetry mode data, however; while the company is offering documentation of the kinds of data it can collect, it isn't doing so in the same exhaustive way as it is for the Basic setting. The company is also not offering documentation for older Windows 10 versions nor for the data collection in Windows 7 or Windows 8.1."
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/201...
It is easy enough to reverse engineer what Microsoft has done even though they are refusing to document the data gathered in earlier versions of Windows 10 as well as 7 and 8.1
Microsoft, in Legalspeak, has stated that personal data is not being collected for advertising, but they REFUSE to state that personal data is not being collected or used for other purposes
you are free to fool yourself, however user comments at every tech site on the Planet clearly show that you are not fooling anyone else with your childish comments
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/06/microsoft_...
Try reading the comments doggface, you are very much alone at this point
HomeworldFound - Friday, April 7, 2017 - link
I used to be more paranoid than that. I was even seeing things. They gave me medication.Bullwinkle J Moose - Friday, April 7, 2017 - link
HomeworldFound"I used to be more paranoid than that. I was even seeing things. They gave me medication."
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Yeah, I've heard about those Chinese Generics destroying your survival instincts and Logic areas of the brain but I never knew they were that bad....
Please do not try swimming with Polar Bears at the Zoo!
Microsoft and other Vicious animals are NOT your friends!
13Gigatons - Friday, April 7, 2017 - link
It's kinda frightening what Corporations can get away with today. It's also frightening how little the public cares about these issues. The slippery slope is very slippery.helvete - Thursday, June 15, 2017 - link
I actually like these drives. Curious about pricing as it would be crucial