MS's blog post (mentioned in the article) clearly mentions "open source hardware". And there's plenty of Azure-endorsed distributions https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2941892/s... So I don't see a problem there.
Microsoft cannot prove that any of the source-code in Windows belongs to Microsoft, so their License is not valid!
They rewrote the Laws to prevent me from disabling or bypassing DRM but since "I" am not allowed to see what Microsoft has stolen from "Me", their DRM is nothing more than Illegal Malware (and spyware)
I demand equal time!
Microsoft and the FBI must have "MY" Spyw.... er DRM in ALL their products to prevent them from stealing my source-code!
I AM THE DRM!
Do not try to disable me!
Just learn to remove the Illegal malware they call DRM and use an unlicensed copy of Windows
YOU are in charge of YOUR computer!
Not some stranger at Microsoft running a protection racket ---------------------------------------- Tip of the day:
If you repeatedly find yourself the victim of targeted attacks immediately after installing Windows and applying all the updates, try installing a 90 day trial to a new or wiped disk and see if you get targeted attacks WITHOUT ANY MS UPDATES!!!
Microsoft "must" protect fresh copies of Windows without updates because they have no idea who will be using it and must therefore protect everyone
However, MS updates only seem to protect their racket from outside hackers, not internal threats by Microsoft or any 3 letter agency
You may not care about how safe Microsoft Os's are but "Bullwinkle J Moose" has a valid point. He claims that updating the MS OS products makes them vulnerable to attacks or certain special attacks. Can you prove that he is wrong? Microsoft has not been exactly clear on that front. Many claims such as above have proved correct and Microsoft has not paid much attention or refuted them in a concrete way. Instead it just manages to come up with other flaws in software that is supposed to be safe in the first place or compensate the poor victim with exactly one dollar in case of disaster.
The proof or rather proofs has been there for years. The only thing that was not proved conclusively until recently was whether Microsoft is putting those vulnerabilities into its OS's intentionally or not. With the latest Wikileaks outputs that argument has been proved conclusively and not in favor of Microsoft's favor (depending on your inclinations, of course). It may be said that other software vendors such as Apple are equally to blame for these unsavory methods but at the same time one cannot deny that the most widely used OS in the world has been anything else but than more than cooperative with the idea in general and creative in its own ways in particular.
Still no proof. Still full of it. Hacker conventions show vulnerabilities all the time... and Win10, while FAR from perfect, is more secure than its predecessors. Unless you get in there and start disabling UAC et al.
Alexvrb. I have been documenting and publicly detailing the evidence for over 10 years online
You will find the evidence if you "choose" to look for it
With hundreds of examples of spyware in Microsoft products (mainly Windows) there is not one single example of "proof" that Windows 10 is more secure than a Defcon after hours party
The "Burden of proof" is on Microsoft
Microsoft is Directly Liable for the damage they have caused to National Security and making everyone unsafe online regardless of bogus claims in the Licensing Agreements!
Microsoft provides material support to Terrorists while claiming otherwise simply for financial gain and control of the consumer market
Claiming otherwise makes you a co-conspirator
Microsoft shills like you who blindly regurgitate Microsoft propaganda with no regard for FACTS are criminals People like you have destroyed the Security of the United States and have no regard for the safety of fellow Americans
"Stop polluting the comment section. This isn't a political website." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I feel your pain.... But without looking at the consequences of the damage caused from backdoors and spyware in Windows, do we really have a reason to fix it?
So what if it destroys National Security, that just Political Propaganda!
eddman you can remove yourself if you do not wish to discuss technology or its implications at a tech site regardless of whether you feel those implications might be political or otherwise
Not discussing the problem does not fix the problem nor does it stop criminals from creating these problems by hiding them in technology
The CORRECT answer is to discuss these problems on tech sites as well as political sites, otherwise people like you would simply tell me not to discuss this tech problem at a political site
Was this before you were abducted by aliens? You want secure disconnect your computer from the internet, go back to using a typewriter. If your not connected you can't get hacked. If you want to continue using the internet and everything it has to offer than stop bitching and accept shit the way it is. Every OS has vulnerabilities stop using Microsoft if you don't like it, you have a choice.
If everything in Windows "IS NOT" spyware...... Lets get rid of it!
I have no use for closed source DRM that cannot be uninstalled
Since I am not using it, lets get rid of it instead of making it a crime to bypass or remove
BTW Why is it a crime to remove something I am not using if it is not spyware?
I don't use Windows activation so lets get rid of that too! If it's not spyware, what good is it? It could not possibly stop piracy without spying and yet you say it is not spyware????? Please explain further... We are here to learn from your superior intelligence (op)
I have no need for a 32 digit key identifier on any encrypted Bitlocker disks and neither does Microsoft or anyone else unless it is used to identify the encryption key to open the disk
If that isn't for spying, get rid of it!
Why is there a hidden globally unique identifier on every thumb drive you format with Windows 10? If it's not spyware, there is no use for it, so get rid of it
Why do you collect info on every single CD/DVD and Bluray played and grant yourselves acces to ALL file on my drives if it is not spyware I have no use for that so get rid of it
or show us how to remove all this crap you claim is not spyware but is of no use to me
I can block ALL Microsoft component in my aftermarket Windows XP firewall and still allow my 3rd party browser to surf the Internet
I cannot do that in Windows 7/8 or 10 Why is there a constant connection to Microsoft servers if I have no use for them?
We all await your brilliant insights into the intricacies of this "non-spyware" that cannot be removed under penalty of Law that I have no use for
He's sane, (probably) sober and is fully aware of what he's doing. It's attention-seeking behaviour to present the most outrageous sort of view and then wait to see the inevitable responses it generates and then take the time to reply to them. As he refines his methods, if he's still here under the same user name (unlikely), you'll see the method become more refined and subtle as he learns to be more effective at manipulation and not hunt mere numbers of responses, but the ability to blend and still illicit outrage.
In a way it's trolling, but it's on the low end of the sophistication spectrum, perhaps a step or to up from someone picking a common hot debate issue and slinging out an extreme viewpoint in a chat room. It's still similar, but because those issues are regularly used for trolling, people are more wary. Computer enthusiasts, on the other hand, tend to be brand loyalists and easy to stir up because they've historically been not as aware of the potential. Plus, they tend to feel as though their technical background makes them more intelligent which, in some ways, makes it easier to get them excited. That's changing over time, I think, but the people provoking them will lag a bit in learning their targets are getting jaded. That's when they'll refine their means and methods -- at the point when they realize they can get more of what they want by changing their approach.
I am simply advertising a point of view exactly the same way Microsoft does, but from the exact opposite viewpoint
Microsoft advertises the best security with Windows 10 yet offers ZERO proof that their statements are true
I advertise that Windows 10 is nothing more than a Government sponsored Spyware Platform and have shown hundreds of examples why this is a true (yet unpopular) statement
Secure boot / UEFI / and other "modern" technologies have locked you into a system where you must now boot to either a Spyware Platform or risk losing software as well as hardware compatibility and performance by turning to Linux
I on the other hand can boot directly to Windows 10 Spyware or Boot directly to a Locked down, Read Only copy of Windows XP by installing Driveshield
I have not had a Bluescreen of Death in over 10 years because only critical apps that cannot be made portable are installed directly preventing registry errors and DLL conflicts that cause Bluescreens
I can simply reboot to shake off malware and infections that destroy newer versions of Windows
Many of the "fixes" I've made to XP over the years have been taken by Microsoft and added to newer Versions of Windows and advertised as NEW and IMPROVED Microsoft Products!
I can back up my statements as facts with evidence to show for them Microsoft cannot do the same for their statements
This is not Trolling I am simply showing how you have all been deceived in the press
Running Virtual Machines of XP from within a Spyware Platform is not a solution!
Microsoft has repeatedly added limits to what you may do with "YOUR" computer and what O.S. may be run
Your new machine is nothing more than a Game Console with added browsing capability
and my bargain basement Goodwill Computer (Sandy Bridge) lets me run whatever I want without the Microsoft backdoored encryption and O.S. Keyloggers phoning home whenever they like
If you wish to prove me wrong, I eagerly await your EVIDENCE, not Microsoft approved propaganda
I'm sorry that you believe this is Trolling but your beliefs won't help you in this brave new World!
If you're not trolling (most likely answer), you're a liar who has proven nothing. Absolutely no concrete evidence. Your words are not proof, and the burden of proof rests entirely on you. "Prove me wrong" is a dead giveaway to either a nearly-clever troll, as any person with a functioning logic unit would realize that slinging out accusations and then demanding others prove them wrong is laughably backwards.
refusing to look at the evidence or honestly research it yourself does not affect the outcome
You are still unsafe because of Microsoft Products This is by design!
There is no profit in End User Security But keeping you unsafe means endless profits for Microsoft while endlessly working towards better security and failing endlessly
You're actually a serial killer. Prove me wrong. Guilty until proven innocent. See how obnoxious it is to make claims and then try to place the burden of proof on skeptics?
What does it matter? It will run whatever you want it to run. With virtualization you could run several different operating systems at once. It's good to see Windows Server running on ARM, and not just their consumer variants of the OS. That helps further solidify Windows on ARM efforts.
Anyway: Naples! When I saw the first picture I wondered if "next-gen CPUs" might include a certain Zen-based server CPU. Glad to see AMD already getting customers lined up for Naples. I hope they sell them as fast as GloFo cranks them out, to ensure we'll see strong Zen successors.
This just seems like MS hedging their bets against Intel caving/getting too monopoly hungry. ARM processors are built to dominate mobile devices, which is why they do. x86 devices are, well, were and maybe are again with AMD's new work and Intel's supposed new architecture, built to dominate in performance per watt, as long as you don't mind that wattage being really high, and they do.
Packing a bunch of mobile Procs into a SOC isn't going to change the fact that they're mobile processors. If you really need that much parallelism to begin with you just go use a GPU. I don't see anything coming of this, especially not with AMD's Naples claiming what it does while ARM still struggles to uh, do anything at all with the server market.
Plenty of tasks need the parallelism but not the actual performance or power consumption a GPU might offer. Nothing wrong with having the option even if sometimes it looks like a solution waiting for a problem.
I think the article explains it well. At the scale of something like Azure, you pick the hardware appropriate for the software task; beefy CPU, wimpy CPU, GPU, FPGA or ASIC. The OCP standards make it easier, faster and cheaper to provision so.
My oh my, how have they been doing it for so long without M$ holding their hands...
I am particularly encouraged by the absence of anything above 1U in this article. Hardware makers are gonna love how quickly hardware needs replacement after operating in those crammed, poorly ventilated racks. Cuz every day a device spends operational after it has ran out of warranty is a waste.
Good luck to all those that are gonna go and be efficient and saving with m$'s stellar open standards. I am gonna keep going the thing that is actually efficient - go for custom, optimized solutions. It is actually cheaper to order a metal shop custom enclosures adapted to specific hardware and usage scenario than to buy hardware for a "one format fits all" from those leaches.
And it goes without saying, buying standard mass produced hardware that would fit anywhere is much more efficient than buying m$'s "standard" produced hardware, which will not fir anywhere else.
Last but not least, even if this turns out to actually be more efficient, which I doubt it will, but even so, there is 100$ certainly that the savings will not be passed onto the consumer, but merely translate into even more profits. So I really don't see why 99% of the world would be excited or even remotely care about this. Like every corporate initiative ever undertaken, it will only benefit the top 1%, by increasing the amount of wealth they can leach from the population.
For anything less that Google/Facebook/Amazon/Azure-scale, OCP simply doesn't make any sense. Once you do get that big, the savings get very real, very fast.
For the record, a lot of companies, a lot of them bitter rivals, are platinum-level OCP members, like Google, Microsoft and Facebook, for example.
As for the more technical side, OCP is more "standard" than pretty much any standard rackmount hardware. You can even retrofit an OCP rack into an existing 19" rack (thank Microsoft for contributing that particular chassis + backplane design).
Oh, and as for reliability, there s tons of 1U boxes out there that have been under sustained loads for 10+ years, so piss off with that argument.
Spot on. It's no different than any other situation where the best tool is selected for the job. I guess in this case, its a little more like designing the best tool for the job.
No, they are, as they say, focused on optimizing cost, complexity and time. So they can lay off more people and make more profits. That's all there is about that. Nothing anyone other than corporate executives outta be excited about, unless you are for example cheering at it in order to appear tech-savy and therefore smart ;)
I don't make it a point to concern myself with a company's hiring or termination process when I purchase one of their products. Unless cost cutting measures the company takes adversely impact the operation of my own business, cost optimizations are also not a factor. Purchasing decisions for profit seeking company don't generally hinge on the ideology of another profit seeking company that's offering a product or service.
I know you're still stinging from being made to look foolish, but it might be a good idea to at least pick a position of strength when attempting to save face. Emotionally-driven idealism is almost invariably not a solid foundation because it's so easily disputed. I'll give you a small measure of acknowledgement for at least picking a different article's comments box and a different issue to make yourself feel better. It shows you're trying, but also that I'm getting deep under your skin. Though that was my intent and I realize your view of your own intellect is critical to your self-worth, I didn't consider it was as vital as it appears to be. I offer my apology for making you feel bad earlier.
You are too much of a wishful "thinker", it is most likely you who got offended for being called out to be cattle cheering at its master's success :)
Evidently, you too don't know what idealism and realism is, like so many of them cattle people. Let me enlighten you:
Idealism as a school of thought can be traced back to the days of ancient Greece, with its pioneer being Socrates. Idealism is the notion that the world is created by a supernatural deity in its "ideal" state, and that's the only way things can be, because the gods intended it this way. Note that it is "ideal" not relative to individual people, but to the world's creators. The gods wanted things to be this way, so things are this way, and people cannot ever change that.
Realism is the school of thought, was developed too in ancient Greece, by no other than Plato - Socrates' pupil. It is a fundamental departure from idealism, the notion that reality is shaped by following certain rules, chains of action, effect and reaction. A world which people can understand the operational principles of, and alter them to alter and improve their reality.
If you still have at least 2 working bran cells, you'd be able to realize two important things:
1 - in truth, idealism and realism are the exact opposite of what most "people" believe they are. This is not a coincidence, as those kind of "people" are victimized by social indoctrination to settle for the world as others made it for them, so their concept of the more important and establishment threatening realism has been tainted into the notion that a realist just says to himself "well, that's how things are, and you cannot do anything about it, and you'd be foolish to think you can", which is in reality as-much-as-it-gets idealism, while realists - the people who understand how things work and see ways to improve them, are being labeled "naive idealistic fools who foolishly believe things can change". "People" like you - they are not supposed to think or believe that the world can be any different than what the establishment makes it to be, people like you have been trained to believe yourselves better for settling for their world, and fcheering as the corporate world builds its better means to take from people even more in order to appear tech savy is just an instance of it.
2 - it is you who is the naive, ignorant idealist. And subconsciously you know it, thus the attempts to insinuate things like be feeling offended or being emotionally driven. And understandably, for someone driven by ignorance and utter lack of understanding, it is the best you can do.
I only skimmed your post so I'm sorry if I missed the nuances of it, but I'm guessing you don't want to accept my apology for upsetting you. I did see Socrates in there though so that's pretty interesting!
There is nothing to accept as you did not upset me the slightest. I however evidently did, judging by your insinuations of me being upset. I know you don't have a lot to fool yourself into being smart with, so sorry for spoiling this one thing for you. I am sure you have legitimate reasons to applaud and cheer at M$'s initiative other than pretending to be intelligent and progressive, and it will benefit your so called "business" tremendously.
I really don't understand your thought processes here. Because I'm not on a soapbox trying to discredit Microsoft's internal business practices in the discussion of a product the company is developing doesn't mean I'm a drooling fan girl of the company. I just don't see a reason to drag corporate ethics into a discussion about a project the company is working on because it accomplishes and changes absolutely nothing and wastes keystrokes. It's no different than not caring to rant about NVidia every time Anandtech reviews a GPU they released or a driver update they've issued. What's the point? Aside from polarizing the opinions of readers against one another and causing little nerd hair pulling and pinching fights, it accomplishes nothing.
Nor does it make sense to me to lord myself over other people in a serious manner. Sure, I like to toy with people a little, but taking anything on the internet seriously enough to try to drag a history and philosophy lesson into it speaks a lot about how far someone wants to go to make sure their darned point is the most shiny and best looking point in the comments section. A point that's sure to win points with all the other readers who give loads and loads about what happens to ddriver and BrokenCrayons' text wall posts.
I mean really...if you don't care, what are you still doing here and why are you still trying to invent my side of an argument for me? You do must realize at this point that the only person you're arguing with is yourself because you're making up my position for me in order to make a case against something.
What does M$ care about intel's monopoly? They do not have competing products. Both are monopolies, build through decades of mutual assistance.
It is just a show for the public. M$s OS is lousier than ever, so now they are playing philanthropist, hiding their rotten plans behind facades of noble initiatives.
We've seen arm failing to compete. We've seen power failing to compete. Both have had ample time to mature their offerings, and yet they still fail miserably, even in the face of intel's product line, which has been stagnant due to complete and utter lack of competition.
Quite frankly the thread to intel is neither arm nor power, but amd. Luckily, amd are only allowed to make a good cpu every once in a while. So it all boils down to how fast intel can stand off their hands and finally do something meaningful.
if one player makes all the CPUs, they can threaten anyone downstream with price gouging or unfair agreements or by stealing their jerbs through vertical integration, it's obvious.
The idea that the ARM arch is somehow targeted toward mobile platforms is idiotic (their original design was for a desktop platform, as it happens). It's just as general as x86 or any other arch.
Also you're clueless about GPUs. They're vector processors that aren't suited to all tasks and are in fact pretty limited for general computing.
The reason ARM processors are being targeted for servers is that they are physically small on the die, take little power and have multiple suppliers and reasonable prices. For jobs that require the most throughput for the least power and money, ARM wins. It doesn't matter whether you have "mobile processors" or little green men doing the work, it only matters how long the whole job takes to process.
Fun fact, the original x86 chip (8086) was an embedded chip destined for a Canon calculator that Canon backed out of, so Intel sold it on the open market and some nutters at IBM decided to build a full desktop PC out of it. The rest, is history.
From van Doorn's blog: "We feel that ARM is well positioned for future ISA enhancements because its opcode sets are orthogonal." -- what does orthogonal opcodes mean?
It means that the opcodes are generally irreducible. If you want something done, there is a well defined way to do it. It is orthogonal in the sense of orthogonal basis vectors in a vector space.
For the A6 (Swift), Apple added a hardware integer divide unit, for example. So ordinary ARM v7 code ran perfectly on in, the new instruction did not interfere with functionality, it did benefit from recompiling everything so that code could benefit from the additional instruction. This recompiled code was no longer backwards compatible, though (and not a problem, because Apple allows you to ship binaries for multiple architectures in the same package).
What he means is that the ARMv8 opcodes are very clearly laid out. I can't find the diagram right now, but different opcodes are very methodically laid out in the opcode space. This means, among other things, that the SVE (and other earlier ARMv8.1 and v8.2) instructions could be fitted in cleanly. AND (relevant for MS) there are obvious "squares" of unallocated instruction space where vendor specific instructions could be added.
I can't find anything about the "legal" status of this, but everything is negotiable. The relevant point for MS is that ARMv8 technically provides a clean way (doesn't interfere with the rest of the CPU, fits nicely into existing tool chains) for them, if they wish and negotiate with ARM, to add their equivalent of something like SVE that would exist purely on MS cores for MS purposes. Arranging something like that for x86, even apart from the politics, is technically vastly more difficult.
Loved the article. That name though, made me spill my coffee. Squint, and it looks like van Doom. Also his title is grandiose. So, my question is where can I sign up to become a citizen in his tech-utopia?
I was looking at Open Compute Project members on their page. I saw Nokia, Ericsson AT&T and DT. Why are telecom operators and vendors in the IT data center standards business??
1. Cause you need lots of IO and some dataplane control kit to make things work 2. SDN is coming for you, and you price-gougy network hardware and support contracts, so may as well be on the frontline to make software that needs some healthy price-gougy licencing.
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ddriver - Wednesday, March 8, 2017 - link
Will it be running an open architecture and open source OS?close - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
MS's blog post (mentioned in the article) clearly mentions "open source hardware". And there's plenty of Azure-endorsed distributions https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2941892/s...So I don't see a problem there.
Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
"open source OS?"Who cares?
Microsoft cannot prove that any of the source-code in Windows belongs to Microsoft, so their License is not valid!
They rewrote the Laws to prevent me from disabling or bypassing DRM but since "I" am not allowed to see what Microsoft has stolen from "Me", their DRM is nothing more than Illegal Malware (and spyware)
I demand equal time!
Microsoft and the FBI must have "MY" Spyw.... er DRM in ALL their products to prevent them from stealing my source-code!
I AM THE DRM!
Do not try to disable me!
Just learn to remove the Illegal malware they call DRM and use an unlicensed copy of Windows
YOU are in charge of YOUR computer!
Not some stranger at Microsoft running a protection racket
----------------------------------------
Tip of the day:
If you repeatedly find yourself the victim of targeted attacks immediately after installing Windows and applying all the updates, try installing a 90 day trial to a new or wiped disk and see if you get targeted attacks WITHOUT ANY MS UPDATES!!!
Microsoft "must" protect fresh copies of Windows without updates because they have no idea who will be using it and must therefore protect everyone
However, MS updates only seem to protect their racket from outside hackers, not internal threats by Microsoft or any 3 letter agency
TEST EVERYTHING!
sabot00 - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
Shut up dudeBullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
Why?What's the problem?
ddriver deserved a serious factual response to his question
I gave him one
On topic and to the point!
versesuvius - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
You may not care about how safe Microsoft Os's are but "Bullwinkle J Moose" has a valid point. He claims that updating the MS OS products makes them vulnerable to attacks or certain special attacks. Can you prove that he is wrong? Microsoft has not been exactly clear on that front. Many claims such as above have proved correct and Microsoft has not paid much attention or refuted them in a concrete way. Instead it just manages to come up with other flaws in software that is supposed to be safe in the first place or compensate the poor victim with exactly one dollar in case of disaster.Alexvrb - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
The burden of proof lies on the one making the claims, namely Bull-something MooseSpoiler: He's full of it.
versesuvius - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
The proof or rather proofs has been there for years. The only thing that was not proved conclusively until recently was whether Microsoft is putting those vulnerabilities into its OS's intentionally or not. With the latest Wikileaks outputs that argument has been proved conclusively and not in favor of Microsoft's favor (depending on your inclinations, of course). It may be said that other software vendors such as Apple are equally to blame for these unsavory methods but at the same time one cannot deny that the most widely used OS in the world has been anything else but than more than cooperative with the idea in general and creative in its own ways in particular.Alexvrb - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
Still no proof. Still full of it. Hacker conventions show vulnerabilities all the time... and Win10, while FAR from perfect, is more secure than its predecessors. Unless you get in there and start disabling UAC et al.Bullwinkle J Moose - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
Alexvrb.I have been documenting and publicly detailing the evidence for over 10 years online
You will find the evidence if you "choose" to look for it
With hundreds of examples of spyware in Microsoft products (mainly Windows) there is not one single example of "proof" that Windows 10 is more secure than a Defcon after hours party
The "Burden of proof" is on Microsoft
Microsoft is Directly Liable for the damage they have caused to National Security and making everyone unsafe online regardless of bogus claims in the Licensing Agreements!
Microsoft provides material support to Terrorists while claiming otherwise simply for financial gain and control of the consumer market
Claiming otherwise makes you a co-conspirator
Microsoft shills like you who blindly regurgitate Microsoft propaganda with no regard for FACTS are criminals
People like you have destroyed the Security of the United States and have no regard for the safety of fellow Americans
You should work for the CIA
eddman - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
Stop polluting the comment section. This isn't a political website.Bullwinkle J Moose - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
"Stop polluting the comment section. This isn't a political website."--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I feel your pain....
But without looking at the consequences of the damage caused from backdoors and spyware in Windows, do we really have a reason to fix it?
So what if it destroys National Security, that just Political Propaganda!
eddman - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
Just remove yourself and go to one of the many random political portals out there.Bullwinkle J Moose - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
eddmanyou can remove yourself if you do not wish to discuss technology or its implications at a tech site regardless of whether you feel those implications might be political or otherwise
Not discussing the problem does not fix the problem nor does it stop criminals from creating these problems by hiding them in technology
The CORRECT answer is to discuss these problems on tech sites as well as political sites, otherwise people like you would simply tell me not to discuss this tech problem at a political site
eddman - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
A tech site is not the place for you to spam political nonsense.If you want to do something useful go join an NGO or start a real life campaign instead of spamming in a tech site's echo chamber.
People like you only shout yet do nothing.
bull2760 - Sunday, March 12, 2017 - link
Was this before you were abducted by aliens? You want secure disconnect your computer from the internet, go back to using a typewriter. If your not connected you can't get hacked. If you want to continue using the internet and everything it has to offer than stop bitching and accept shit the way it is. Every OS has vulnerabilities stop using Microsoft if you don't like it, you have a choice.Bullwinkle J Moose - Sunday, March 12, 2017 - link
If everything in Windows "IS NOT" spyware......Lets get rid of it!
I have no use for closed source DRM that cannot be uninstalled
Since I am not using it, lets get rid of it instead of making it a crime to bypass or remove
BTW
Why is it a crime to remove something I am not using if it is not spyware?
I don't use Windows activation so lets get rid of that too!
If it's not spyware, what good is it?
It could not possibly stop piracy without spying and yet you say it is not spyware?????
Please explain further...
We are here to learn from your superior intelligence (op)
I have no need for a 32 digit key identifier on any encrypted Bitlocker disks and neither does Microsoft or anyone else unless it is used to identify the encryption key to open the disk
If that isn't for spying, get rid of it!
Why is there a hidden globally unique identifier on every thumb drive you format with Windows 10?
If it's not spyware, there is no use for it, so get rid of it
Why do you collect info on every single CD/DVD and Bluray played and grant yourselves acces to ALL file on my drives if it is not spyware
I have no use for that so get rid of it
or show us how to remove all this crap you claim is not spyware but is of no use to me
I can block ALL Microsoft component in my aftermarket Windows XP firewall and still allow my 3rd party browser to surf the Internet
I cannot do that in Windows 7/8 or 10
Why is there a constant connection to Microsoft servers if I have no use for them?
We all await your brilliant insights into the intricacies of this "non-spyware" that cannot be removed under penalty of Law that I have no use for
eddman - Sunday, March 12, 2017 - link
Go get a banana while you're at it.Bullwinkle J Moose - Sunday, March 12, 2017 - link
always ridiculeNever address the topic with evidence
divert from the topic at hand
you have learned well shill minion!
you may now advance to propaganda 101
eddman - Monday, March 13, 2017 - link
Keep trolling. Greatness awaits you. /sHomeworldFound - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
Bath Salts or Crack?Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
I'm guessing you're on both!Amiright?
HomeworldFound - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
We don't have either here, nobody wants to throw their life away or die.StevoLincolnite - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
Snorting Redbull is not okay. Please refrain from doing so again.BrokenCrayons - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
He's sane, (probably) sober and is fully aware of what he's doing. It's attention-seeking behaviour to present the most outrageous sort of view and then wait to see the inevitable responses it generates and then take the time to reply to them. As he refines his methods, if he's still here under the same user name (unlikely), you'll see the method become more refined and subtle as he learns to be more effective at manipulation and not hunt mere numbers of responses, but the ability to blend and still illicit outrage.In a way it's trolling, but it's on the low end of the sophistication spectrum, perhaps a step or to up from someone picking a common hot debate issue and slinging out an extreme viewpoint in a chat room. It's still similar, but because those issues are regularly used for trolling, people are more wary. Computer enthusiasts, on the other hand, tend to be brand loyalists and easy to stir up because they've historically been not as aware of the potential. Plus, they tend to feel as though their technical background makes them more intelligent which, in some ways, makes it easier to get them excited. That's changing over time, I think, but the people provoking them will lag a bit in learning their targets are getting jaded. That's when they'll refine their means and methods -- at the point when they realize they can get more of what they want by changing their approach.
Bullwinkle J Moose - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
Great Response Crayons!Not the personal attacks you were once known for
I am simply advertising a point of view exactly the same way Microsoft does, but from the exact opposite viewpoint
Microsoft advertises the best security with Windows 10 yet offers ZERO proof that their statements are true
I advertise that Windows 10 is nothing more than a Government sponsored Spyware Platform and have shown hundreds of examples why this is a true (yet unpopular) statement
Secure boot / UEFI / and other "modern" technologies have locked you into a system where you must now boot to either a Spyware Platform or risk losing software as well as hardware compatibility and performance by turning to Linux
I on the other hand can boot directly to Windows 10 Spyware or Boot directly to a Locked down, Read Only copy of Windows XP by installing Driveshield
I have not had a Bluescreen of Death in over 10 years because only critical apps that cannot be made portable are installed directly preventing registry errors and DLL conflicts that cause Bluescreens
I can simply reboot to shake off malware and infections that destroy newer versions of Windows
Many of the "fixes" I've made to XP over the years have been taken by Microsoft and added to newer Versions of Windows and advertised as NEW and IMPROVED Microsoft Products!
I can back up my statements as facts with evidence to show for them
Microsoft cannot do the same for their statements
This is not Trolling
I am simply showing how you have all been deceived in the press
Running Virtual Machines of XP from within a Spyware Platform is not a solution!
Microsoft has repeatedly added limits to what you may do with "YOUR" computer and what O.S. may be run
Your new machine is nothing more than a Game Console with added browsing capability
and my bargain basement Goodwill Computer (Sandy Bridge) lets me run whatever I want without the Microsoft backdoored encryption and O.S. Keyloggers phoning home whenever they like
If you wish to prove me wrong, I eagerly await your EVIDENCE, not Microsoft approved propaganda
I'm sorry that you believe this is Trolling
but your beliefs won't help you in this brave new World!
Alexvrb - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
If you're not trolling (most likely answer), you're a liar who has proven nothing. Absolutely no concrete evidence. Your words are not proof, and the burden of proof rests entirely on you. "Prove me wrong" is a dead giveaway to either a nearly-clever troll, as any person with a functioning logic unit would realize that slinging out accusations and then demanding others prove them wrong is laughably backwards.Bullwinkle J Moose - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
Microsoft has proven nothing and neither have yourefusing to look at the evidence or honestly research it yourself does not affect the outcome
You are still unsafe because of Microsoft Products
This is by design!
There is no profit in End User Security
But keeping you unsafe means endless profits for Microsoft while endlessly working towards better security and failing endlessly
Alexvrb - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
You're actually a serial killer. Prove me wrong. Guilty until proven innocent. See how obnoxious it is to make claims and then try to place the burden of proof on skeptics?Wait, no, because you're a troll.
Alexvrb - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
What does it matter? It will run whatever you want it to run. With virtualization you could run several different operating systems at once. It's good to see Windows Server running on ARM, and not just their consumer variants of the OS. That helps further solidify Windows on ARM efforts.Anyway: Naples! When I saw the first picture I wondered if "next-gen CPUs" might include a certain Zen-based server CPU. Glad to see AMD already getting customers lined up for Naples. I hope they sell them as fast as GloFo cranks them out, to ensure we'll see strong Zen successors.
Frenetic Pony - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
This just seems like MS hedging their bets against Intel caving/getting too monopoly hungry. ARM processors are built to dominate mobile devices, which is why they do. x86 devices are, well, were and maybe are again with AMD's new work and Intel's supposed new architecture, built to dominate in performance per watt, as long as you don't mind that wattage being really high, and they do.Packing a bunch of mobile Procs into a SOC isn't going to change the fact that they're mobile processors. If you really need that much parallelism to begin with you just go use a GPU. I don't see anything coming of this, especially not with AMD's Naples claiming what it does while ARM still struggles to uh, do anything at all with the server market.
close - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
Plenty of tasks need the parallelism but not the actual performance or power consumption a GPU might offer. Nothing wrong with having the option even if sometimes it looks like a solution waiting for a problem.Meteor2 - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
I think the article explains it well. At the scale of something like Azure, you pick the hardware appropriate for the software task; beefy CPU, wimpy CPU, GPU, FPGA or ASIC. The OCP standards make it easier, faster and cheaper to provision so.ddriver - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
My oh my, how have they been doing it for so long without M$ holding their hands...I am particularly encouraged by the absence of anything above 1U in this article. Hardware makers are gonna love how quickly hardware needs replacement after operating in those crammed, poorly ventilated racks. Cuz every day a device spends operational after it has ran out of warranty is a waste.
Good luck to all those that are gonna go and be efficient and saving with m$'s stellar open standards. I am gonna keep going the thing that is actually efficient - go for custom, optimized solutions. It is actually cheaper to order a metal shop custom enclosures adapted to specific hardware and usage scenario than to buy hardware for a "one format fits all" from those leaches.
ddriver - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
And it goes without saying, buying standard mass produced hardware that would fit anywhere is much more efficient than buying m$'s "standard" produced hardware, which will not fir anywhere else.Last but not least, even if this turns out to actually be more efficient, which I doubt it will, but even so, there is 100$ certainly that the savings will not be passed onto the consumer, but merely translate into even more profits. So I really don't see why 99% of the world would be excited or even remotely care about this. Like every corporate initiative ever undertaken, it will only benefit the top 1%, by increasing the amount of wealth they can leach from the population.
Murloc - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
if that's your way to measure new technologies, abandon this website.ZeDestructor - Monday, March 13, 2017 - link
For anything less that Google/Facebook/Amazon/Azure-scale, OCP simply doesn't make any sense. Once you do get that big, the savings get very real, very fast.For the record, a lot of companies, a lot of them bitter rivals, are platinum-level OCP members, like Google, Microsoft and Facebook, for example.
Source: http://www.opencompute.org/about/membership-organi...
As for the more technical side, OCP is more "standard" than pretty much any standard rackmount hardware. You can even retrofit an OCP rack into an existing 19" rack (thank Microsoft for contributing that particular chassis + backplane design).
Oh, and as for reliability, there s tons of 1U boxes out there that have been under sustained loads for 10+ years, so piss off with that argument.
BrokenCrayons - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
Spot on. It's no different than any other situation where the best tool is selected for the job. I guess in this case, its a little more like designing the best tool for the job.ddriver - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
No, they are, as they say, focused on optimizing cost, complexity and time. So they can lay off more people and make more profits. That's all there is about that. Nothing anyone other than corporate executives outta be excited about, unless you are for example cheering at it in order to appear tech-savy and therefore smart ;)BrokenCrayons - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
It's terribly easy to draw you out isn't it?I don't make it a point to concern myself with a company's hiring or termination process when I purchase one of their products. Unless cost cutting measures the company takes adversely impact the operation of my own business, cost optimizations are also not a factor. Purchasing decisions for profit seeking company don't generally hinge on the ideology of another profit seeking company that's offering a product or service.
I know you're still stinging from being made to look foolish, but it might be a good idea to at least pick a position of strength when attempting to save face. Emotionally-driven idealism is almost invariably not a solid foundation because it's so easily disputed. I'll give you a small measure of acknowledgement for at least picking a different article's comments box and a different issue to make yourself feel better. It shows you're trying, but also that I'm getting deep under your skin. Though that was my intent and I realize your view of your own intellect is critical to your self-worth, I didn't consider it was as vital as it appears to be. I offer my apology for making you feel bad earlier.
ddriver - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
You are too much of a wishful "thinker", it is most likely you who got offended for being called out to be cattle cheering at its master's success :)Evidently, you too don't know what idealism and realism is, like so many of them cattle people. Let me enlighten you:
Idealism as a school of thought can be traced back to the days of ancient Greece, with its pioneer being Socrates. Idealism is the notion that the world is created by a supernatural deity in its "ideal" state, and that's the only way things can be, because the gods intended it this way. Note that it is "ideal" not relative to individual people, but to the world's creators. The gods wanted things to be this way, so things are this way, and people cannot ever change that.
Realism is the school of thought, was developed too in ancient Greece, by no other than Plato - Socrates' pupil. It is a fundamental departure from idealism, the notion that reality is shaped by following certain rules, chains of action, effect and reaction. A world which people can understand the operational principles of, and alter them to alter and improve their reality.
If you still have at least 2 working bran cells, you'd be able to realize two important things:
1 - in truth, idealism and realism are the exact opposite of what most "people" believe they are. This is not a coincidence, as those kind of "people" are victimized by social indoctrination to settle for the world as others made it for them, so their concept of the more important and establishment threatening realism has been tainted into the notion that a realist just says to himself "well, that's how things are, and you cannot do anything about it, and you'd be foolish to think you can", which is in reality as-much-as-it-gets idealism, while realists - the people who understand how things work and see ways to improve them, are being labeled "naive idealistic fools who foolishly believe things can change". "People" like you - they are not supposed to think or believe that the world can be any different than what the establishment makes it to be, people like you have been trained to believe yourselves better for settling for their world, and fcheering as the corporate world builds its better means to take from people even more in order to appear tech savy is just an instance of it.
2 - it is you who is the naive, ignorant idealist. And subconsciously you know it, thus the attempts to insinuate things like be feeling offended or being emotionally driven. And understandably, for someone driven by ignorance and utter lack of understanding, it is the best you can do.
BrokenCrayons - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
I only skimmed your post so I'm sorry if I missed the nuances of it, but I'm guessing you don't want to accept my apology for upsetting you. I did see Socrates in there though so that's pretty interesting!ddriver - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
There is nothing to accept as you did not upset me the slightest. I however evidently did, judging by your insinuations of me being upset. I know you don't have a lot to fool yourself into being smart with, so sorry for spoiling this one thing for you. I am sure you have legitimate reasons to applaud and cheer at M$'s initiative other than pretending to be intelligent and progressive, and it will benefit your so called "business" tremendously.BrokenCrayons - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
I really don't understand your thought processes here. Because I'm not on a soapbox trying to discredit Microsoft's internal business practices in the discussion of a product the company is developing doesn't mean I'm a drooling fan girl of the company. I just don't see a reason to drag corporate ethics into a discussion about a project the company is working on because it accomplishes and changes absolutely nothing and wastes keystrokes. It's no different than not caring to rant about NVidia every time Anandtech reviews a GPU they released or a driver update they've issued. What's the point? Aside from polarizing the opinions of readers against one another and causing little nerd hair pulling and pinching fights, it accomplishes nothing.Nor does it make sense to me to lord myself over other people in a serious manner. Sure, I like to toy with people a little, but taking anything on the internet seriously enough to try to drag a history and philosophy lesson into it speaks a lot about how far someone wants to go to make sure their darned point is the most shiny and best looking point in the comments section. A point that's sure to win points with all the other readers who give loads and loads about what happens to ddriver and BrokenCrayons' text wall posts.
I mean really...if you don't care, what are you still doing here and why are you still trying to invent my side of an argument for me? You do must realize at this point that the only person you're arguing with is yourself because you're making up my position for me in order to make a case against something.
eddman - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
Just admit you hate MS, no matter what they do or don't, and be done with it.ddriver - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
What does M$ care about intel's monopoly? They do not have competing products. Both are monopolies, build through decades of mutual assistance.It is just a show for the public. M$s OS is lousier than ever, so now they are playing philanthropist, hiding their rotten plans behind facades of noble initiatives.
We've seen arm failing to compete. We've seen power failing to compete. Both have had ample time to mature their offerings, and yet they still fail miserably, even in the face of intel's product line, which has been stagnant due to complete and utter lack of competition.
Quite frankly the thread to intel is neither arm nor power, but amd. Luckily, amd are only allowed to make a good cpu every once in a while. So it all boils down to how fast intel can stand off their hands and finally do something meaningful.
Murloc - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
>What does M$ care about intel's monopoly?if one player makes all the CPUs, they can threaten anyone downstream with price gouging or unfair agreements or by stealing their jerbs through vertical integration, it's obvious.
prisonerX - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
The idea that the ARM arch is somehow targeted toward mobile platforms is idiotic (their original design was for a desktop platform, as it happens). It's just as general as x86 or any other arch.Also you're clueless about GPUs. They're vector processors that aren't suited to all tasks and are in fact pretty limited for general computing.
The reason ARM processors are being targeted for servers is that they are physically small on the die, take little power and have multiple suppliers and reasonable prices. For jobs that require the most throughput for the least power and money, ARM wins. It doesn't matter whether you have "mobile processors" or little green men doing the work, it only matters how long the whole job takes to process.
ZeDestructor - Monday, March 13, 2017 - link
Fun fact, the original x86 chip (8086) was an embedded chip destined for a Canon calculator that Canon backed out of, so Intel sold it on the open market and some nutters at IBM decided to build a full desktop PC out of it. The rest, is history.lilmoe - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
Third nail in the coffin. Keep milking Intel, keep milking...Meteor2 - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
From van Doorn's blog: "We feel that ARM is well positioned for future ISA enhancements because its opcode sets are orthogonal." -- what does orthogonal opcodes mean?7487 - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
It means that the opcodes are generally irreducible. If you want something done, there is a well defined way to do it. It is orthogonal in the sense of orthogonal basis vectors in a vector space.Arnulf - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
No, it doesn't.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonal_instructi...
OreoCookie - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
For the A6 (Swift), Apple added a hardware integer divide unit, for example. So ordinary ARM v7 code ran perfectly on in, the new instruction did not interfere with functionality, it did benefit from recompiling everything so that code could benefit from the additional instruction. This recompiled code was no longer backwards compatible, though (and not a problem, because Apple allows you to ship binaries for multiple architectures in the same package).Zingam - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
Great!!!name99 - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
What he means is that the ARMv8 opcodes are very clearly laid out. I can't find the diagram right now, but different opcodes are very methodically laid out in the opcode space. This means, among other things, that the SVE (and other earlier ARMv8.1 and v8.2) instructions could be fitted in cleanly.AND (relevant for MS) there are obvious "squares" of unallocated instruction space where vendor specific instructions could be added.
I can't find anything about the "legal" status of this, but everything is negotiable. The relevant point for MS is that ARMv8 technically provides a clean way (doesn't interfere with the rest of the CPU, fits nicely into existing tool chains) for them, if they wish and negotiate with ARM, to add their equivalent of something like SVE that would exist purely on MS cores for MS purposes.
Arranging something like that for x86, even apart from the politics, is technically vastly more difficult.
Meteor2 - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
I see... thank you.prisonerX - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
It means that ARM ISA isn't batshit crazy like the x86 ISA.lefty2 - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
Interesting. I'm guessing that the HGX-1 won't be compatible with AMD's Project Olympus offeringMrSpadge - Thursday, March 9, 2017 - link
They don't need to be compatible - just put them into different machines for differnet purposes.Benjam - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
Loved the article. That name though, made me spill my coffee. Squint, and it looks like van Doom. Also his title is grandiose. So, my question is where can I sign up to become a citizen in his tech-utopia?SeleniumGlow - Friday, March 10, 2017 - link
I was looking at Open Compute Project members on their page. I saw Nokia, Ericsson AT&T and DT. Why are telecom operators and vendors in the IT data center standards business??ZeDestructor - Monday, March 13, 2017 - link
1. Cause you need lots of IO and some dataplane control kit to make things work2. SDN is coming for you, and you price-gougy network hardware and support contracts, so may as well be on the frontline to make software that needs some healthy price-gougy licencing.
cocochanel - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
Little by little, ARM servers are creeping into the mainstream. If I were Intel, I'd be worried.Meteor2 - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
Yep. I'd missed SVE instructions; I imagine they came too late for ThunderX2 but it does seem like the pieces are coming together.