Those are kind of the minimum memory clocks you would get out of these cards. I'm sitting here with 2088 MHz core and 9400 MHz memory on my GTX 1060. And the 1060 benefits insanely from the memory overclock, much more than core speeds since GPU boost pretty much takes care of that upto 95%.
It's actually not that hard. Read reviews of the G1 gaming GTX 1060 and it's really easy to overclock it to 9500 MHz. Mine starting artifacting at that frequency, and so I pulled back to 9400. So far so good for the past 6 months or so.
with this type of memory, it's not artifacting you're looking for, but a slowdown due to error correction once you raise it to a certain frequency, you'll start getting worse performance well before artifacts
Kind of. You still get artifacts from frame buffer corruption. But I agree it isn't like HBM where overclocked VRAM usually crashes the drivers or BSOD's the system.
I was always able to run my 7Gbps memory on my older cards well above 8Gbps. VRAM is grossly underclocked because we've been sitting on the same generation GDDR5 for nearly a decade and the technology is exceptionally mature. 8Gbps memory regularly clocks at 9Gbps before you have any issues with artifacts.
Obviously these overclocks shorten the life of the memory as they cause accelerated deterioration of transistor gates, especially if you boost voltage, which is generally required if you are trying to boost the clock frequency beyond 10%.
HBM and HBM2 are the architecture that don't overclock well, because they are less mature and the technology inherently works the memory harder.
HBM doesn't work memory much harder at all. In fact, as far as physical demands on the memory from clockspeed are concerned becuase it's much slower. From AT's original deep dive on HBM:
"HBM in a nutshell takes the wide & slow paradigm to its fullest. Rather than building an array of high speed chips around an ASIC to deliver 7Gbps+ per pin over a 256/384/512-bit memory bus, HBM at its most basic level involves turning memory clockspeeds way down – to just 1Gbps per pin – but in exchange making the memory bus much wider."
Check Page 3 of the article for spefics, but ultimately the fact that HBM doesn't overclock well is probably more due to design decisions to keep the memory running slow and the bus wide moreso than any "hard work" it's doing versus much higher clocked GDDR5.
Not really. This is the RAM they wanted from day 1 but couldn't get. The 1080ti launch is probably because they were waiting for the RAM before they launched. I highly doubt that Vega will be able to top the Titan or 1080ti. Probably the 1080, though.
Not only that, but almost every GTX 1080 brand from every manufacturer is currently almost sold out at Amazon.de, even the ultra-lame burning EVGA ACX 3.0 1080's. They simply don't have GTX 1080's in stock in anymore, and when there's no stock of a product it's pretty hard to see price cuts.
Don't think we will even see price cuts here in Europe until perhaps much later into the year. Oh and, based on the prices in euros of the 1080's I see here, I am guessing that the cheaper 1080TI will cost around 899 euros.
Its my imagination or both Nvidia and Intel are doing their best to counter the products of AMD? I mean.. is AMD really that in danger of taking their positions? Positions they took by abuse and monopoly (both via either bribes or "partnering") ?
Yes, your piercing insight into what is going on here is correct, Nvidia and Intel are trying to stop people buy a competitors product. Every sale that goes to AMD means nothing goes to Intel or AMD and 80% of what you got before is better than nothing.
I just checked the Nvidia website tonight, and it's not $499 as reported, but $549. Not sure why it hasn't dropped yet, despite the news from the conference.
This is fantastic. nVidia cuts the price of the 1080, which de-values that card, for people wishing to sell second hand AND gets another load of cash from up-graders that must have the best. nVidia laughs at everyone. Again.
Could I be so cheeky as to ask you to test your GPUs with 3440x1440 resoultion?
Just one or two benchmarks would be just fine, I'm not suggesting you change the whole format or your review, nor duplicate all your work. I do believe this 21:9 is the future, and so does anyone that sees it with their own eyes.
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arayoflight - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
Those are kind of the minimum memory clocks you would get out of these cards. I'm sitting here with 2088 MHz core and 9400 MHz memory on my GTX 1060. And the 1060 benefits insanely from the memory overclock, much more than core speeds since GPU boost pretty much takes care of that upto 95%.ImSpartacus - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
How in the world did you overclock 8Gbps memory that high?Gothmoth - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
first.. don´t believe all the crap you read from trolls on the internet.arayoflight - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
This is a really common overclock. Check this out:http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_gefo...
Eden-K121D - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
Not everyone is a troll,arayoflight - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
It's actually not that hard. Read reviews of the G1 gaming GTX 1060 and it's really easy to overclock it to 9500 MHz. Mine starting artifacting at that frequency, and so I pulled back to 9400. So far so good for the past 6 months or so.Here is the screenshot to prove I'm not lying:
https://goo.gl/photos/PzUCFJYmXxFYRTjQ7
Guru3D got a better overclock than my card though. See this:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_gefo...
PcChip - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
with this type of memory, it's not artifacting you're looking for, but a slowdown due to error correctiononce you raise it to a certain frequency, you'll start getting worse performance well before artifacts
Samus - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
Kind of. You still get artifacts from frame buffer corruption. But I agree it isn't like HBM where overclocked VRAM usually crashes the drivers or BSOD's the system.Samus - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
I was always able to run my 7Gbps memory on my older cards well above 8Gbps. VRAM is grossly underclocked because we've been sitting on the same generation GDDR5 for nearly a decade and the technology is exceptionally mature. 8Gbps memory regularly clocks at 9Gbps before you have any issues with artifacts.Obviously these overclocks shorten the life of the memory as they cause accelerated deterioration of transistor gates, especially if you boost voltage, which is generally required if you are trying to boost the clock frequency beyond 10%.
HBM and HBM2 are the architecture that don't overclock well, because they are less mature and the technology inherently works the memory harder.
BrokenCrayons - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
HBM doesn't work memory much harder at all. In fact, as far as physical demands on the memory from clockspeed are concerned becuase it's much slower. From AT's original deep dive on HBM:"HBM in a nutshell takes the wide & slow paradigm to its fullest. Rather than building an array of high speed chips around an ASIC to deliver 7Gbps+ per pin over a 256/384/512-bit memory bus, HBM at its most basic level involves turning memory clockspeeds way down – to just 1Gbps per pin – but in exchange making the memory bus much wider."
Here's a link: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9266/amd-hbm-deep-di...
Check Page 3 of the article for spefics, but ultimately the fact that HBM doesn't overclock well is probably more due to design decisions to keep the memory running slow and the bus wide moreso than any "hard work" it's doing versus much higher clocked GDDR5.
samer1970 - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
This and the release of the GTX 1080 ti translates into :Nvidia is scared to death from the AMD VGA card ... and wants to sell their cards before its too late !
blackmagnum - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
You shouldn't choke your chickens before they are hatched.Gasaraki88 - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
I can choke my chicken anytime I want! You can't tell me what to do!tamalero - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
Well. Intel were indeed choking their chickens by doing price cuts and again pushing hidden emails to block AMD.BrokenCrayons - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
I feel bad for all these chickens that are being choked.garbagedisposal - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
You're delusional. AMD is getting rekt here.vladx - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
^Thisjordanclock - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
Not really. This is the RAM they wanted from day 1 but couldn't get. The 1080ti launch is probably because they were waiting for the RAM before they launched. I highly doubt that Vega will be able to top the Titan or 1080ti. Probably the 1080, though.Achaios - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
Not seeing any price cuts over here in Europe.https://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?__mk_de_D...
Not only that, but almost every GTX 1080 brand from every manufacturer is currently almost sold out at Amazon.de, even the ultra-lame burning EVGA ACX 3.0 1080's. They simply don't have GTX 1080's in stock in anymore, and when there's no stock of a product it's pretty hard to see price cuts.
Don't think we will even see price cuts here in Europe until perhaps much later into the year. Oh and, based on the prices in euros of the 1080's I see here, I am guessing that the cheaper 1080TI will cost around 899 euros.
Diji1 - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
No price cuts before the new stock is shipped to retailers, wow, the whole thing must be made up!tamalero - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
Its my imagination or both Nvidia and Intel are doing their best to counter the products of AMD?I mean.. is AMD really that in danger of taking their positions? Positions they took by abuse and monopoly (both via either bribes or "partnering") ?
Diji1 - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
Yes, your piercing insight into what is going on here is correct, Nvidia and Intel are trying to stop people buy a competitors product. Every sale that goes to AMD means nothing goes to Intel or AMD and 80% of what you got before is better than nothing.TemjinGold - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
So... where are the price cuts?MidnightBanshi - Wednesday, March 1, 2017 - link
I just checked the Nvidia website tonight, and it's not $499 as reported, but $549. Not sure why it hasn't dropped yet, despite the news from the conference.damianrobertjones - Thursday, March 2, 2017 - link
This is fantastic. nVidia cuts the price of the 1080, which de-values that card, for people wishing to sell second hand AND gets another load of cash from up-graders that must have the best. nVidia laughs at everyone. Again.blzd - Thursday, March 2, 2017 - link
Yes prices fall over time. This isn't a unique phenomenon.MarkieGcolor - Saturday, March 11, 2017 - link
It's quite obvious Nvidia is up to a racket. Graphics are not increasing enough to justify their prices!oranos - Monday, March 13, 2017 - link
all gtx 1080 memory can be set to 11ghzNotmyusualid - Monday, March 13, 2017 - link
Ryan,Could I be so cheeky as to ask you to test your GPUs with 3440x1440 resoultion?
Just one or two benchmarks would be just fine, I'm not suggesting you change the whole format or your review, nor duplicate all your work. I do believe this 21:9 is the future, and so does anyone that sees it with their own eyes.
Thanks.