D-Sub! It's interesting there's a VGA connector on something like this, but doesn't the VGA spec not support 4K resolutions? It seems like that connector would only be useful as a PiP of PBP.
Almost certainly not at full resolution. I inadvertently tried 2560x1600 over VGA (using a DVI-I cable defaulted to analog for some reason); on a high end NEC display (3090) and the results were "is my new monitor broken" bad. In quad 1080p mode using VGA for one if the sub-displays isn't unreasonable though as an option.
It's the latest transparent model from InvisiPuter. InvisiPuter also manufactured the power and video cables that you can't see that currently connect the screen to four devices.
he uses a tiling window manager and vim and operates exclusively from the CLI. But it's weird for such a person not to use a mechanical or buckling springs keyboard instead of a crappy wireless clichet keyboard.
Two completely different measures. Input lag is not even close to the same thing as gray-to-gray pixel response time. One is a measure of how long it takes the display to render the change to a scene, the latter is simply what the display technology is capable of. You can have input lag of 250ms on a display with 0.001ms GTG response time.
16-32ms input lag is pretty typical among nearly all 60Hz displays even *without* HDR enabled. It's actually pretty good to get that low with HDR.
Speaking in terms of 2016 models, Samsung probably has the most consistently HDR input lag. It remains to be seen what 2017 brings, but it's clear that a lot of people in the TV industry are starting to take gaming more seriously as there have been firmware updates from LG and Sony to improve input lag times. And with HDMI 2.1 coming late 2017 (mostly likely standard on lots of 2018 models), we'll finally get a universal game mode built into the connection itself, offering variable refresh rate and flags to bypass all other internal display nonsense to get the lowest input lag possible. I am excite.
Now we're getting somewhere: finally dimensions and form factor that actually make sense for desktop usage at 4k.
If I didn't already have my multi-monitor setup, I'd seriously consider getting this...
If they add full HDR support, good color accuracy, and higher refresh rates (120 Hz will do) in the next version, I'd be tossing my current setup and shelling out the big bucks before I knew what happened =)
If it helps, Philips seem to be well focused on the 40"-ish area; BDM4065UC and BDM4350UC that I know of. However, the 4065 might be hard to source - it seems Philips stopped making it. Shame, amazing monitor at sensible price.
I would like to see some monitor around 48-50". I'm currently using a Dell UltraSharp 24" FHD 16:10, so I'm afraid that at only 40" the DPI will increase and probably I'll encounter some problem to see some small text (working on dpi at os level sometimes gives some troubles under windows). So, good for 40, better for 43" 4K, but 50" could be very useful for programming and immersive when playing games!
Yes, it's not much... Probably a greater dimension could require more resulution. I'm wondering if a 4K with 21:9 aspect ratio would be more useful for programming too: an example is LG 38UC99, which is 38" 21:9 QHD+ 3840x1600 (it's not 4K) but has the same 110ppi. This Philips monitor is true 4K and it is bigger.
Would be helpful if a Link/Store was mentioned where we could buy this in the US. Would like to see HDR, but this one definitely captures my attention.
They're back with the VA panel. Unfortunately, this doesn't interest me anymore with new amazing monitors in a few months. HDR, 4K at 120 Hz, and Quantum dots in one monitor.
If the stand lacks height adjustment, that puts the top of the screen way too high up! Just look at that ridiculous marketing picture. And why is the guy hunched over--wouldn't it make more sense for him to move the screen closer and sit back in his chair? And...no cables anywhere?
Can't Philips start specing lag and the backlight type in their specs so we don't all have to wonder and wait for some reviewer to measure it???
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BrokenCrayons - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
D-Sub! It's interesting there's a VGA connector on something like this, but doesn't the VGA spec not support 4K resolutions? It seems like that connector would only be useful as a PiP of PBP.Manch - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
7680x4800 max at the momentDanNeely - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Almost certainly not at full resolution. I inadvertently tried 2560x1600 over VGA (using a DVI-I cable defaulted to analog for some reason); on a high end NEC display (3090) and the results were "is my new monitor broken" bad. In quad 1080p mode using VGA for one if the sub-displays isn't unreasonable though as an option.Manch - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
odds are you card can supt 2048*1536. The resolution I quoted above can be done but requires supporting HW of course.sorten - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Where's his mouse?I don't think I'd want to sit less than two feet away from a 40" display.
XZerg - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Left handed and the mouse is hidden by his left palm ;)Manch - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
No mouse. Those are for noobs. He button smashes the TAB key.BrokenCrayons - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
It's the latest transparent model from InvisiPuter. InvisiPuter also manufactured the power and video cables that you can't see that currently connect the screen to four devices.boeush - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Here's a question to considrr: how far away would you sit from a set of 4 20" thin-bezel FHD displays, arranged in a 2x2 grid?Murloc - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
he uses a tiling window manager and vim and operates exclusively from the CLI.But it's weird for such a person not to use a mechanical or buckling springs keyboard instead of a crappy wireless clichet keyboard.
Mikuni - Friday, January 20, 2017 - link
two what?speculatrix - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
hopefully there will be an S-IPS one sometime which can be calibrated for photo worknathanddrews - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Seems like more than a few tradeoffs to get that curve.For $650 you can get the VA Sony 43" UHD TV with HDR and WCG...
4k@60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR = 33.2 ms input lag:
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800d
boeush - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Hm, 33 ms input lag vs 4 ms. Quite a trade-off, no?And, the curve in this case would be quite helpful at the distance you'd use a monitor, compared to the distance you'd watch a TV from...
nathanddrews - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Two completely different measures. Input lag is not even close to the same thing as gray-to-gray pixel response time. One is a measure of how long it takes the display to render the change to a scene, the latter is simply what the display technology is capable of. You can have input lag of 250ms on a display with 0.001ms GTG response time.16-32ms input lag is pretty typical among nearly all 60Hz displays even *without* HDR enabled. It's actually pretty good to get that low with HDR.
fanofanand - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Great explanation, Sony has one of the best TV's for HDR gaming right now, I believe only trailing the K series Samsungs.nathanddrews - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
Speaking in terms of 2016 models, Samsung probably has the most consistently HDR input lag. It remains to be seen what 2017 brings, but it's clear that a lot of people in the TV industry are starting to take gaming more seriously as there have been firmware updates from LG and Sony to improve input lag times. And with HDMI 2.1 coming late 2017 (mostly likely standard on lots of 2018 models), we'll finally get a universal game mode built into the connection itself, offering variable refresh rate and flags to bypass all other internal display nonsense to get the lowest input lag possible. I am excite.nathanddrews - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
*consistently low*boeush - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Now we're getting somewhere: finally dimensions and form factor that actually make sense for desktop usage at 4k.If I didn't already have my multi-monitor setup, I'd seriously consider getting this...
If they add full HDR support, good color accuracy, and higher refresh rates (120 Hz will do) in the next version, I'd be tossing my current setup and shelling out the big bucks before I knew what happened =)
timbotim - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
If it helps, Philips seem to be well focused on the 40"-ish area; BDM4065UC and BDM4350UC that I know of. However, the 4065 might be hard to source - it seems Philips stopped making it. Shame, amazing monitor at sensible price.sovking - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
I would like to see some monitor around 48-50". I'm currently using a Dell UltraSharp 24" FHD 16:10, so I'm afraid that at only 40" the DPI will increase and probably I'll encounter some problem to see some small text (working on dpi at os level sometimes gives some troubles under windows).So, good for 40, better for 43" 4K, but 50" could be very useful for programming and immersive when playing games!
Thklinge - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
That Dell is 94 DPI (I know, I have six U2412M in my current rig), this Philips is 110 DPI, so no, things won't be tiny, which is good.sovking - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Yes, it's not much... Probably a greater dimension could require more resulution.I'm wondering if a 4K with 21:9 aspect ratio would be more useful for programming too: an example is LG 38UC99, which is 38" 21:9 QHD+ 3840x1600 (it's not 4K) but has the same 110ppi. This Philips monitor is true 4K and it is bigger.
at80eighty - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Yeah definitely getting one to plug into my surface pro at work at some point. Exactly what I need.stanleyipkiss - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Does it feature PWM or not? Does it suffer from burn-in like the other 40" and 43" Phillips monitors?jm0ris0n - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Would be helpful if a Link/Store was mentioned where we could buy this in the US. Would like to see HDR, but this one definitely captures my attention.fanofanand - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Waste of money, still can't display HDR properly.SanX - Wednesday, January 18, 2017 - link
Ideal size should be minimum 45" for curved, 50" for flat.zodiacfml - Thursday, January 19, 2017 - link
They're back with the VA panel. Unfortunately, this doesn't interest me anymore with new amazing monitors in a few months. HDR, 4K at 120 Hz, and Quantum dots in one monitor.AnnonymousCoward - Thursday, January 26, 2017 - link
If the stand lacks height adjustment, that puts the top of the screen way too high up! Just look at that ridiculous marketing picture. And why is the guy hunched over--wouldn't it make more sense for him to move the screen closer and sit back in his chair? And...no cables anywhere?Can't Philips start specing lag and the backlight type in their specs so we don't all have to wonder and wait for some reviewer to measure it???