Obviously (though built-in USB 3.1 is nice). Just thought it was funny that these reviews came out when anyone who would buy them is just waiting anyway.
This motherboard has been out for a while. At the very least six months. This just seems to be a really late review. I've had this since either the last week of July or first week of August. There was a nice sale that allowed a $45 off promo code on top. Paid about $120 and it blew my old asrock extreme 4 away.
"If you want to install a PCIe x4 device, a U.2 drive and a M.2 drive at the same time, the SATA connectors will all be inoperable."
I hope that will change with Z270, at least allow a full speed M.2 drive and all sata ports at the same time.
Otherwise i feel we are moving backwards with these chipsets. Severe lane limitations, fewer and fewer rear usb ports, dual network adapters only on selected few (and expensive) motherboards.
Strange. I have the Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 5, and I have both M.2 slots used (RAID-0 nvme with 2 Plextor M8pe sticks), and I still had the use of my SATA slots - though the manual implied I would not.
Agreed - even for non-SLI use there are not enough PCIe lanes - 1 high end graphics card uses 16 lanes leaving 4 lanes for everything else. At a minimum a Z170 motherboard should have a setting that just uses 8 lanes for the graphics card and uses the remaining lanes to allow all the motherboard features to work at the same time.
The 16 lanes from the CPU are independent of the up to 20 lanes from the southbridge. I say "up to 20" because the 20 available high speed io ports that can be used for PCIe are shared with the ones used for sata and ethernet (the later is a mostly nominal factor though since a non-Intel NIC would need a port as a PCIe lane). Effectively this means you've got 13 PCIe lanes left from the chipset to share out among secondary PCIe slots, m.2, u.2, and SATAe ports. Theoretically another 4 could be used up for more USB3 ports; but in practice USB3 hub chips are cheaper than PCIe muxes so mobo makers will use the former to keep PCIe lanes free.
The 200 series chipsets all offer 30 highspeed io lanes up from 26 or 22 on 100 series ones. The extra 4 will definitely help with this sort of thing on high end boards, but it's mid/low end ones that will benefit the most. Especially since they're the least likely to get any sort of PCI MUX chips to increase the effective number of lanes.
The situation there should be improved significantly vs current generation mobos too, PLX chips almost entirely disappeared from consumer boards when the company making them was bought out by a company that wanted to cash in on high end server parts by cranking the cost from $20 to $80ish. The ASM1480 8:16 lane switch shows that at least one company saw an opening to design and sell a much more affordable product (these boards are nowhere near pricey enough to support an $80 component). For the sake of keeping prices competitive, hopefully Asmedia isn't the only company entering the market in the present/near future.
Both motherboards have USB Type-C 100W power delivery built-in in and it wasn't even mentioned. Such a rare feature! I would love to charge my laptop from my desktop and skip having to buy another power brick.
Any plans for an article testing the output and compatibility of USB Type-C Power Delivery?
toolbluesc Conclusion page, 1st paragraph, last sentence.
"That being said, some of them are nice and fast, if your wallet is deep enough. Both boards also offer USB 3.1 via Intel's Alpine Ridge controller, and claim so support Power Delivery 2.0 up to 100W (unfortunately we don't have the hardware to test this).
Why is it taking so long for desktop motherboard manufacturers to make their USB 3.1 Type C ports compatible with TB3 and DisplayPort?
Nice to see the "Ultra Gaming" model has it, but it's still relatively uncommon. Are the royalties too expensive or something? I would have imagined nearly every Type C port being TB3 & DisplayPort compatible by now.
Lack of a good way to get video from the GPU to the TB controller probably. The displayport in connectors on these boards work; but are a serious kludge. An elegant option would either require pumping the video out of the GPU over PCIe or putting TB on the GPU itself. Both options would probably require a lot of driver work on the GPU vendors at a minimum; at the moment I suspect both are much more concerned with working on their DX12 support and can't afford to divert enough manpower to the task. Pumping the video over PCIe would almost certainly require support on the TB controller from Intel; and would probably require both the GPU and TB controller to be connected to CPU PCIe lanes (A single 4k steam would eat a big chunk of the DMI busses total bandwidth.)
"Both of the boards are strongly based on storage solutions that are either dead (SATA Express)"
While it's dead as a storage standard, and I'll shed no tears for its pending demise, it has been used to power USB 3.1g2 front panel devices that tapped into its pair of PCIe lanes to give the controller sufficient bandwidth to operate at full speed. If 200 series chipsets add native support for USB3.1 its value as an IO kludge will go away; but the assorted rumor sites have been posting conflicting claims on what version of USB3.x will be natively supported all year. I guess we'll know soon enough...
Review was boring and basically an extended ad rather than anything in depth. I own the Designare and there are many issues that need fixing for enthusiasts which is who these boards are aimed at. For example, the F20 bios causes my 6700k to run at a much higher voltage than normal and when overclocking, the lowest power saving state causes the CPU to run with a 9x multiplier instead of an 8x one. Considering this is the only "review" that is using the F20 bios it is such a missed opportunity..
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A5 - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Just in time for the 2xx series launch in a week or two! ;-)Chaitanya - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Dont expect anything revolutionary from 2xx series of chipsets.A5 - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Obviously (though built-in USB 3.1 is nice). Just thought it was funny that these reviews came out when anyone who would buy them is just waiting anyway.ddriver - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Well, but this is "Designare" so it adds to the "bullshiatio" factor.DigitalFreak - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Maybe not revolutionary, but you do get an extra 4 PCI-E lanes on the chipset compared to the Z170.Gothmoth - Thursday, December 29, 2016 - link
and maybe better cannon lake compatibility.Gothmoth - Thursday, December 29, 2016 - link
i don´t expect revolutionary things...but i sure won´t buy a z170 when z270 is out.SharpEars - Thursday, December 29, 2016 - link
Exactly! How stupid it is to introduce Z170 boards when Z270s are due.mrcrunch08 - Sunday, January 1, 2017 - link
This motherboard has been out for a while. At the very least six months. This just seems to be a really late review. I've had this since either the last week of July or first week of August. There was a nice sale that allowed a $45 off promo code on top. Paid about $120 and it blew my old asrock extreme 4 away.Flunk - Thursday, December 29, 2016 - link
This is seriously late, people really needed this last year.sweeper765 - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
"If you want to install a PCIe x4 device, a U.2 drive and a M.2 drive at the same time, the SATA connectors will all be inoperable."I hope that will change with Z270, at least allow a full speed M.2 drive and all sata ports at the
same time.
Otherwise i feel we are moving backwards with these chipsets. Severe lane limitations, fewer and fewer rear usb ports, dual network adapters only on selected few (and expensive) motherboards.
BenJeremy - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Strange. I have the Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 5, and I have both M.2 slots used (RAID-0 nvme with 2 Plextor M8pe sticks), and I still had the use of my SATA slots - though the manual implied I would not.shabby - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Whats next... please remove 2 dimm's if you want to use sli/crossfire? This lane limitation is annoying.Duncan Macdonald - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Agreed - even for non-SLI use there are not enough PCIe lanes - 1 high end graphics card uses 16 lanes leaving 4 lanes for everything else. At a minimum a Z170 motherboard should have a setting that just uses 8 lanes for the graphics card and uses the remaining lanes to allow all the motherboard features to work at the same time.DanNeely - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
The 16 lanes from the CPU are independent of the up to 20 lanes from the southbridge. I say "up to 20" because the 20 available high speed io ports that can be used for PCIe are shared with the ones used for sata and ethernet (the later is a mostly nominal factor though since a non-Intel NIC would need a port as a PCIe lane). Effectively this means you've got 13 PCIe lanes left from the chipset to share out among secondary PCIe slots, m.2, u.2, and SATAe ports. Theoretically another 4 could be used up for more USB3 ports; but in practice USB3 hub chips are cheaper than PCIe muxes so mobo makers will use the former to keep PCIe lanes free.http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9485/PCH%20Alloca...
Kraszmyl - Thursday, December 29, 2016 - link
They can add all the lanes they want to the pch and its still pointless. Those 30 lanes share a 4 lane highway back to the cpu, ram, and gpu.DanNeely - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
The 200 series chipsets all offer 30 highspeed io lanes up from 26 or 22 on 100 series ones. The extra 4 will definitely help with this sort of thing on high end boards, but it's mid/low end ones that will benefit the most. Especially since they're the least likely to get any sort of PCI MUX chips to increase the effective number of lanes.The situation there should be improved significantly vs current generation mobos too, PLX chips almost entirely disappeared from consumer boards when the company making them was bought out by a company that wanted to cash in on high end server parts by cranking the cost from $20 to $80ish. The ASM1480 8:16 lane switch shows that at least one company saw an opening to design and sell a much more affordable product (these boards are nowhere near pricey enough to support an $80 component). For the sake of keeping prices competitive, hopefully Asmedia isn't the only company entering the market in the present/near future.
toobluesc - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Both motherboards have USB Type-C 100W power delivery built-in in and it wasn't even mentioned. Such a rare feature! I would love to charge my laptop from my desktop and skip having to buy another power brick.Any plans for an article testing the output and compatibility of USB Type-C Power Delivery?
Tchamber - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
toolbluescConclusion page, 1st paragraph, last sentence.
"That being said, some of them are nice and fast, if your wallet is deep enough. Both boards also offer USB 3.1 via Intel's Alpine Ridge controller, and claim so support Power Delivery 2.0 up to 100W (unfortunately we don't have the hardware to test this).
May not be what you wanted, but it was mentioned.
MaidoMaido - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Why is it taking so long for desktop motherboard manufacturers to make their USB 3.1 Type C ports compatible with TB3 and DisplayPort?Nice to see the "Ultra Gaming" model has it, but it's still relatively uncommon. Are the royalties too expensive or something? I would have imagined nearly every Type C port being TB3 & DisplayPort compatible by now.
DanNeely - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
Lack of a good way to get video from the GPU to the TB controller probably. The displayport in connectors on these boards work; but are a serious kludge. An elegant option would either require pumping the video out of the GPU over PCIe or putting TB on the GPU itself. Both options would probably require a lot of driver work on the GPU vendors at a minimum; at the moment I suspect both are much more concerned with working on their DX12 support and can't afford to divert enough manpower to the task. Pumping the video over PCIe would almost certainly require support on the TB controller from Intel; and would probably require both the GPU and TB controller to be connected to CPU PCIe lanes (A single 4k steam would eat a big chunk of the DMI busses total bandwidth.)MaidoMaido - Thursday, December 29, 2016 - link
thanks, very helpful explanation!DanNeely - Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - link
"Both of the boards are strongly based on storage solutions that are either dead (SATA Express)"While it's dead as a storage standard, and I'll shed no tears for its pending demise, it has been used to power USB 3.1g2 front panel devices that tapped into its pair of PCIe lanes to give the controller sufficient bandwidth to operate at full speed. If 200 series chipsets add native support for USB3.1 its value as an IO kludge will go away; but the assorted rumor sites have been posting conflicting claims on what version of USB3.x will be natively supported all year. I guess we'll know soon enough...
Gothmoth - Thursday, December 29, 2016 - link
yawn.... a little late.The_Assimilator - Friday, December 30, 2016 - link
"A little late" should be AnandTech's new motto.The_Assimilator - Friday, December 30, 2016 - link
It's not a full review if there's no overclocking results. That's kinda the whole point of Z170...uklio - Friday, December 30, 2016 - link
Review was boring and basically an extended ad rather than anything in depth. I own the Designare and there are many issues that need fixing for enthusiasts which is who these boards are aimed at. For example, the F20 bios causes my 6700k to run at a much higher voltage than normal and when overclocking, the lowest power saving state causes the CPU to run with a 9x multiplier instead of an 8x one. Considering this is the only "review" that is using the F20 bios it is such a missed opportunity..nadileya - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - link
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Evan, exhausted, stumbled backwards to the hoist controls on the wall and used the last of his energy to lower Ashley to the floor and deactivate her handcuffs. He slid down the wall until he lay sitting and spread on the floor, clearly wiped out and unable to continue.
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