The Kirin 960 SoC in the Mate 9 is built on TSMC's 16nm process. A few recent rumors point to Samsung using a MP16 core version of the Mali G71 built on it's own 10nm process for it's next high end Exynos SoC. Also Samsung will be producing the Qualcomm Snapdragon 830 and that should be packing an Adreno 540. We will know for sure come February as these will be the Soc's in the upcoming Galaxy S8 line.
The g71 looks to be about 85% of an adreno. The biggest surprise to me was that the new arm memory controller (and probably also due to the new efficiencies with cache management) is just crazy fast. Twice as fast as the pixel in basically every test.
Very curious to see how Bitfrost performs in gaming and compute given the major changes it brings. Any chance you guys already have the Mate 9 review sample and we see a review at launch in a few days?
If memory serves, at the big codec conference a few months back, Netflix released data indicating that hevc averaged 20% efficiency over vp9 BUT that was mostly in the lower res region. So, since Netflix could just deploy vp9 and accept similar results, at low res, to h264 and close results to h265 at high res. It's all on the YouTubes if you want to watch the presentation.
I find it interesting how differently some companies view minimum VR specs vs other companies. GTX 970 is the minimum for Rift, right? The GTX 970 should be far superior to the G51 by orders of magnitude, yet the G51 is designed for VR? I'm sure there is a VR consortium, they need to get their act together and get some standards in place here. Between HDR and VR lack of standardization is harming the ability to gain momentum towards mass adoption.
They should call it moblieVR for the cheap allinone headsets with PowerVR SGX544 or mali-400/450. The G51 would still be far superior to these solutions, and it would probably work well with Daydream.
Dedicated digital cameras will salivate to this kind of processing power. I wonder why even the most expensive digital cameras can't have SoCs of smartphones.
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Ro_Ja - Monday, October 31, 2016 - link
Is this their answer against Adreno 530?ddhelmet - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
I think their answer to Adreno 530 is the G71.These ones are for lower levels.SquarePeg - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
The Mali G71 MP8 core in the upcoming Huawei Mate 9 is a little faster than the Adreno 530.http://www.anandtech.com/show/10766/huawei-announc...
The Kirin 960 SoC in the Mate 9 is built on TSMC's 16nm process. A few recent rumors point to Samsung using a MP16 core version of the Mali G71 built on it's own 10nm process for it's next high end Exynos SoC. Also Samsung will be producing the Qualcomm Snapdragon 830 and that should be packing an Adreno 540. We will know for sure come February as these will be the Soc's in the upcoming Galaxy S8 line.
SquarePeg - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Also, the Mali-G51 should be around Adreno 510 levels of performance.gadgettech - Thursday, July 26, 2018 - link
i think Mali-G51 is in the level of Adreno 509tuxRoller - Sunday, November 6, 2016 - link
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mate_9_handson-revi...It's not that cut and dry. It's faster on basemark but slower on AnTuTu and gfx.
tuxRoller - Sunday, November 6, 2016 - link
Another data pointhttp://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-mate-9kirin-9...
The g71 looks to be about 85% of an adreno.
The biggest surprise to me was that the new arm memory controller (and probably also due to the new efficiencies with cache management) is just crazy fast. Twice as fast as the pixel in basically every test.
2literpopcorn - Monday, November 7, 2016 - link
> "The Mali G71 MP8 core in the upcoming Huawei Mate 9 is a little faster than the Adreno 530."Turns out it's not, actually quite a bit slower.
http://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-mate-9kirin-9...
lolipopman - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
Expected from MP8 category GPU. MP12 is going to murder Adreno 530 considering it'll be reaching Nvidia Shield levels of performance.jjj - Monday, October 31, 2016 - link
Very curious to see how Bitfrost performs in gaming and compute given the major changes it brings.Any chance you guys already have the Mate 9 review sample and we see a review at launch in a few days?
Meteor2 - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
'VP9 achieving similar quality to HEVC' -- that's a bold statement. Or perhaps ARM means their implementation of the codecs?!tuxRoller - Monday, November 7, 2016 - link
If memory serves, at the big codec conference a few months back, Netflix released data indicating that hevc averaged 20% efficiency over vp9 BUT that was mostly in the lower res region. So, since Netflix could just deploy vp9 and accept similar results, at low res, to h264 and close results to h265 at high res.It's all on the YouTubes if you want to watch the presentation.
rrohbeck - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Will there be open drivers?karthik.hegde - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Does it continue with the Full system coherency that G71 offered?fanofanand - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
I find it interesting how differently some companies view minimum VR specs vs other companies. GTX 970 is the minimum for Rift, right? The GTX 970 should be far superior to the G51 by orders of magnitude, yet the G51 is designed for VR? I'm sure there is a VR consortium, they need to get their act together and get some standards in place here. Between HDR and VR lack of standardization is harming the ability to gain momentum towards mass adoption.Ariknowsbest - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
They should call it moblieVR for the cheap allinone headsets with PowerVR SGX544 or mali-400/450. The G51 would still be far superior to these solutions, and it would probably work well with Daydream.zodiacfml - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Dedicated digital cameras will salivate to this kind of processing power. I wonder why even the most expensive digital cameras can't have SoCs of smartphones.Ariknowsbest - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Probably power constraints, a controller and ASIC is more efficient than a gpu.SydneyBlue120d - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
And still, no smartphone will ever use the HEVC encoder ever.Ryan Smith - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
And thus VP9...tuxRoller - Sunday, November 6, 2016 - link
Vp9 is good enough, and vc1 shouldn't be much longer.webdoctors - Tuesday, November 1, 2016 - link
Can someone translate this chip into English? Will it run Crysis?darkich - Wednesday, November 2, 2016 - link
Well, it could probably run it on low and in 720p.It's about as powerful as last generation consoles