Yea one of the biggest disappointments was the Microsoft Studio coming with a 980M, other than that seems like a good device. (what did he quote "12k in 3dmark" haha)
Yeah, It's a really sad state of affairs when an unlicensed copy of XP-SP2 abandonware without any MS updates provides more security than a brand new "Legit" copy of Spyware Platform 10
An aftermaket firewall stops ALL Microsoft components from sending or receiving and Driveshield stops ALL persistent threats (except the end user)
Not worried about extortionware at all here
Wouldn't use it for online banking though... That's what Linux Live is for!
Yes this is the year for Linux! (running joke for 20+ years). Good luck with that and I'm sure you are one of those idiots complaining about security but you hand over all your personal data to that ad company by using ADroid.
I don't mind using Spyware Platform 10 for security purposes.... after I disable ALL networking components and use Truecrypt Full Disk Encryption on my Win2Go ThumbDrive
Yes kids, Truecrypt 6 and 7 are fully compatible with WintoGo using either Windows 8 or 10
Just make an MBR partition and Stay the He&^ offline
Encryption does no good with Microsoft backdoors
Windows 10 is like cake They sell you the cake as they eat it too Don't trust the cake
So you don't use Android? Cause Android harvests more data than you can believe. Google is 90% ad revenue, and that means selling your every move to the highest bidder. I hope you're using a nice homebrew Linux phone, the way you're spouting off.
Oh, and Truecrypt has critical flaws and was abandoned by its creators. True story.
I use android without google services installed. It harvests literally nothing. You can easily get android without google, only the open source part, most roms today install without any google cr@p, which you have to install additionally, if you so chose.
I haven't had a bluescreen of death in XP for the past 10 years It boots up in less than half the time that Spyware Platform 10 boots It doesn't get infected with persistent threats
I can safely check out all the latest threats and malware sites without worry of infections Pron sites too!
Try that with your precious Malware Platform 10
I dare ya
More secure? You better believe it
It's YOUR a$$ if you don't
I can even run software that Microsoft doesn't want me too
XP is full of holes. Easy to compromise. Bring it to a hackathon. You have got to be either the biggest troll or if you believe your bullpoop, the biggest fool.
I held 24 hour contests at the old Maximum PC and at ZDNet to allow all of the best hackers on the Planet hack my XP box and post the banking details I left on my desktop to the forums with My permission
The Israeli's Failed The Russians Failed The Chinese Failed North Korea Failed and the NSA Failed!
Shall I hold another contest right here and see if you have a clue what you are talking about?
Specify. What kind of warning did you give to the parties listed? Did you write to NSA asking to hack you at a specific time? Who exactly was a recipient of your correspondence? Did they write back? What did they write?
Nothing but trash talk about how easily they could hack my box or destroy it with malware and yet I'm still using it online waiting for ANYONE to do what they say they can do
Nothing but blah blah blah Just like the responses here
Basically I offered to leave my box online and logged in the the websites listed under my usual screen name for 24 hours so they can verify it is really me
I then gave them permission to hack my box and post the credentials I left on my desktop within that 24 hour period
There was no affiliation with ZDNet or Maximum PC
Are those conditions acceptable to you or do you need to have them rigged in your favor to win the challenge?
Hang on a moment. You specifically posted, "I held 24 hour contests at the old Maximum PC and at ZDNet to allow..." and now you're posting, "There was no affiliation with ZDNet or Maximum PC."
Make up your mind about which yarn it is that you'd like to spin to us.
At any rate, you're saying you offered to be logged on to a set of listed websites (what sites?) under a usual screen name (what name?) for 24 hours. Offered to where? To whom exactly? What mechanism were these nation states and government agencies advised of your offer? You see, anyone can sit at their desk and say aloud, "Here I am China, logged into webmail for the day. Come get me!" and then proclaim that after a day when nothing happened their computer was secured against intrusion attempts.
Why not post your current public IP address here in the comments box and then leave your equipment powered up and connected for 24 hours?
Nope, I'm not and never will be a hacker. I'm just interested in watching you squirm a little as you try to keep up the game you think you're playing here.
XP is not more secure. There are a lot of holes in the OS that are not and never will be patched because it's not gotten support in years. There are certainly cases where using XP isn't optional because of business-software related problems or personal finance issues, but it's a much better idea to move to a more modern OS if at all possible. Windows 10 is a data mining platform with a laundry list of data privacy concerns and I cringe when I have to use it, but it does better protect the end user from malicious actors. Well, malicious actors aside from Microsoft anyway. In that respect, Windows 10 meets a lot of computer security industry criteria that'd classify it as a Trojan Horse, but exclusively for the company.
Linux is a great alternative and is my primary OS, but I think it's unrealistic to expect the vast majority of people to transition to it. There are a lot of barriers in the way of widespread adoption and I feel confidant in saying Linux not replace Windows as the most widely used OS. I've been tinkering with Linux since 1999 and made a full transition in 2013. It wasn't painless and I think most people would be too discouraged to stick with it. For the vast majority of average people, Windows is just fine. They'll just have to live with data mining because avoiding it means not only dumping Microsoft products, but also Alphabet/Google, Facebook, Twitter, and the multitude of advertising firms out there. Most people can't live without a cellular phone (or at least think they can't anyway) so they're pretty much tagged and tracked everywhere they go. If not by that, then by their game console, their smart television, their car's infotainment system, or whatever else.
Do your own research instead of listening to the same criminals who are pretending to protect you
I concede that most of you will not know how to protect an XP box if you try I concede that you will fail 100% of the time when you listen to "The Experts"
but you will NEVER be secure when you back a rigged system that steals "your" future and hands it to the Criminals who are pretending to protect you
I would probably be banned for calling you all liars or idiots but there really is no 3rd choice
There's no way you're a security expert of any sort. If you were, you just discredited yourself and nobody will take you seriously anymore. Anyone with a brain knows XP has more holes than swiss cheese and a lot of modern software packages (including the best up-to-date security software) no longer support it.
Given your responses in this conversation and claims of affiliation with Maximum PC and ZD, that involve international hacking attempts on a desktop PC operating system (Really, North Korea has very limited contact with the English speaking world and the NSA _does not_ and _will never_ engage in hacking competitions hosted by small private companies like MPC or ZD. Neither will most nation states in the sense that the country itself will operate under a national banner at a hosted event from a magazine publisher or online tech review site.) it's blatantly obvious you're using the anonymous nature of Anandtech's comments features to make unverifiable, false claims to support unreasonable assertions.
@Bullwinkle J Moose: "Do your own research instead of listening to the same criminals who are pretending to protect you"
I'd love to and I've taken more than a few looks around to find alternate sources of information. Problem is when I look online for information (you know, to research it) I get pointed to all kinds of places that support the same viewpoint as these so called "criminals" and their best security practices.
@Bullwinkle J Moose: "I concede that most of you will not know how to protect an XP box if you try I concede that you will fail 100% of the time when you listen to "The Experts""
Yet you offer no alternate source of information from which we may benefit. Without this information we have two choices: an XP box that, as you say, most of us will not know how to protect if we tried, and a Windows 10 box that "The Experts" tell us is more secure, but is also known to be more invasive of our privacy.
@Bullwinkle J Moose: "YOU are NOT a security expert!
I AM"
Tell me, if you would immediately believe a post with the following characteristics: From an unknown entity on a random tech forum. Claims to be a security expert, but provides no credentials or supporting information. Discounts your own possibly extensive knowledge on the subject matter without knowing anything about you. Provides no supporting information with which you might be able to evaluate and possibly even accept the proposed point of view.
I could go as far as to accept your claim of expertise at face value. Yet, this would do me no good whatsoever as your proposition that we should all drop Windows 10 in favor an XP box is marred by the fact that that we don't have the apparent expertise to secure it and you are too concerned with posting unsubstantiated claims of being hack-proof by state actors (who have no incentive to hack your nor tell you whether they were successful) to so much as point us in the right direction.
Congratulations on having the only "secured" XP box in the world. For us lesser mortals, we have to make a trade off that gives up one of security (Our XP boxes), privacy (Win10), or flexibility (Linux distros). Of course, you could always point us to the places you acquired said expertise. Who knows, you might even get some people supporting your viewpoint and make the world a better place.
Wow BurntBacon That was actually quite a well thought out comment
I make XP Read Only with Driveshield I use an aftermarket Firewall and block EVERYTHING except my browser Yes, I even block ALL security software from sending or receiving (They are usually the problem) No Flash or Java allowed (Noscript/adblock etc)
The only way in or out is through Browser flaws (ALL Microsoft components are blocked)
I run the OS with FULL ADMIN rights! No security updates from Microsoft
Just a free antivirus WITH NO SECURITY UPDATES! Targeted strikes CAN be made by updating an antivirus
If I need a newer antivirus, I simply download the FULL package and install it offline
I have tested malware against from thousands of shady sites over the years and I think it is about as close to perfect as I can get it at this pioint
Fresh installs of Windows 8.1 with all the latest updates has been hosed several times by malware but the XP box is still going strong
I would gladly use a newer version of Windows if they had one without all the spyware built in
Really thin designs don't allow much room for thermal management so a mobile GPU suits this better just like Apple using mobile GPUs in the slim iMac lineup. Now of course it would be great to have the mobile versions of the 10x0 line but I guess it wasn't available when it was being developed.
I also noticed in the video, it appears to be socketed. Are the original SB like this? If so, I wonder if it would be upgradeable. Maybe for when they do another refresh? Just a curiosity. Also, any mention of how much RAM? 1GB still or 4GB? I wanted an SB but the graphics card was just too anemic for my tastes @ 1GB. Held off hoping for pascal or hell Polaris even with at least 4GB... Oh well.
@jsntech: "Now with more invasive telemetry than ever before! You ain't seen nuthin yet!"
True that.
@jsntech: ""Surface Book has highest user satisfaction from any laptop device"
^ hahahahahahaha...aaaah, haven't laughed that hard in months. ty MS!"
This one is (oddly enough) apparently true. The 2016 J.D. Power study shows it loosing out only by a very small margin to Apple's iPad (which isn't a laptop device). Also, Apple and Microsoft get the only 5 stars in the study index. Now, you may find the study flawed or you may decide there are better studies out there, but at least they can actually point to something that supports the statement: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2016-us-tabl...
jnstech: "But...that big 3:2 display on the AIO is moderately delightful. PLEASE let that catch on as an option for other stuff..."
If any other manufacturers are watching, this is the take away. More than a few people would enjoy a 3:2 (or at least 16:10) >10 Mpixel display with good color accuracy and support for both DCI-P3 and sRGB display modes.
When is Anandtech going to upgrade their ancient commenting system? I prefer Disqus or Lifvfyre. That it's impossible to up- or down vote here and not being able to sort the comments is the biggest flaw of the current system.
What a snooze fest. I guess the AIO is good to fill out the portfolio but it's going to sell in such minimal quantities... Maybe it was good to just keep the design team busy between Surface Pro iterations.
Hipster douche-e-rific. As is tradition. I'm so sick of salesmen replacing engineers, metaphorically speaking. I'll bet they said cloud, VR, and maybe social a few times. This douchey type of headset mic presentation on a stage is getting old, and that's something that gives me hope. Kill it.
I've used Windows 8 and 10. Each release worse than the next. Every device I have with either OS literally collects dust and I wouldn't think twice of frisbeeing a tablet or two just to prove a point and get a few Win10isWorthTheRape people mad. It's not that bad once you get used to it. Yeah right, bite the pillow and take it from whatever this new wave tech bullshit is trying to rebrand itself as. I'll be elsewhere, totally missing out on all that fun
28 inch surface with pen pressure sensitive support? Hopefully it is full featured ( predictable pen behavior slow or fast, driver support on most applications day one, angle and >1024 levels )
In Maryland Institute college of art as a student I remember being indoctrinated to not work timidly with small surfaces but working large with my shoulder and sweeping with my whole arm when putting down marks. Not hunched in on tight little spots one becomes overly precious with in detail but to work in broad overall strokes and composition all at once strategies that large surfaces reinforced. Back then a lot of students had the same portable back board made out of homosote cut from a panel at 4' x 2' which we punched 2 holes along a top edge to facilitate lacing up a shoulder strap.
To this one would affix nice large quality paper like arches or Rives BFK with tape ( or push pins cause homosote substitutes fer cork nicely! ) and one was good to go... And that was for the most part my backboard art board surface that I used for many years till it finally wore down. The thing is... that 4' x 2' surface was what the discipline resulted as ones "portable" solution. You could sit outside on a hill and balance the board however one could manage and did your landscapes or character studies in a park or in the town square around the docks. Usually u managed some sort of foldable easel as well so your homosote panel could double as backing for portable easel and oil painting.
Fast forward to today where I do everything digital. Now I do not expect a 4 ft x 2 ft portable tablet to be released anytime soon and have a market understand providing a viable realistic demand that appreciates the work large discipline belief... But I got to chuckle when I read comments complaining at any tablet that is over 13inches being to unweildly to realistically be portable! Hah! double hah! And one has got to wonder? When did artists become such big wussies? I would love a 17" portable pressure sensitive tablet for outdoor sketchpad capturing on the go. And this All in one could be a god send for a main working beast of burden for most my pen enabled needs.
( even tho secretly I be pushing fer a day when I could take that 28 inches out in the field and actually have a 10 hour battery life. I am willing to bet the AIO in this article is still lighter than my old homosote art board! :) . Although my Homosote artboard would not require hundreds of feet of extension cable to take it outside )
I`d much rather have paint.net functionality built into the system than this 3d bullshit. Give me working layers, some simple filters and levelling tool.
We’ve updated our terms. By continuing to use the site and/or by logging into your account, you agree to the Site’s updated Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.
Facebook
Twitter
RSS
87 Comments
Back to Article
willis936 - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Not even ten minutes in and this feels like total marketing tripe. What's the point of this event?damianrobertjones - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
To market items? What else is all of this for?jjj - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Don't be mean, how else are they gonna sell you that AIO that starts at 3k$ with midrange specs lolSunnyNW - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Yea one of the biggest disappointments was the Microsoft Studio coming with a 980M, other than that seems like a good device. (what did he quote "12k in 3dmark" haha)SunnyNW - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Or was that the new Surfacebook?ddriver - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
Is that Mr. Burns from the Simpsons on the last photo? Rubbing hands together "excellent"...vortmax2 - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Surface Phone please! :)waldoh - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
So far 30 mins of poorly executed garbage software... yes!damianrobertjones - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
I NEED to see the applications that you've developed.lilmoe - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
That's two of usJoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
I wonder what other telemetry they have in store for Windows users? Can't wait to get more of my data harvested! :^)Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Yeah, It's a really sad state of affairs when an unlicensed copy of XP-SP2 abandonware without any MS updates provides more security than a brand new "Legit" copy of Spyware Platform 10An aftermaket firewall stops ALL Microsoft components from sending or receiving and Driveshield stops ALL persistent threats (except the end user)
Not worried about extortionware at all here
Wouldn't use it for online banking though...
That's what Linux Live is for!
SpartanJet - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
HAHAYes this is the year for Linux! (running joke for 20+ years). Good luck with that and I'm sure you are one of those idiots complaining about security but you hand over all your personal data to that ad company by using ADroid.
Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
You are sure!and you are wrong
I don't mind using Spyware Platform 10 for security purposes....
after I disable ALL networking components and use Truecrypt Full Disk Encryption on my Win2Go ThumbDrive
Yes kids, Truecrypt 6 and 7 are fully compatible with WintoGo using either Windows 8 or 10
Just make an MBR partition and Stay the He&^ offline
Encryption does no good with Microsoft backdoors
Windows 10 is like cake
They sell you the cake as they eat it too
Don't trust the cake
The cake is a lie
Alexvrb - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
So you don't use Android? Cause Android harvests more data than you can believe. Google is 90% ad revenue, and that means selling your every move to the highest bidder. I hope you're using a nice homebrew Linux phone, the way you're spouting off.Oh, and Truecrypt has critical flaws and was abandoned by its creators. True story.
Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
That's funny AlexvrbCan you point out the "critical flaw" in the Truecrypt Source code
We would all love to see it
or should we all trust Microsoft because they are so honest, they must hide what they are doing in their source code
There must be a reason why the NSA has a codename for Bitlocker
Do they call it "Instant Access" because every encrypted disk uses a 32 digit Key identifier?
You do realise that the Courts would protect Microsoft Source code if they diddn't steal other peoples work or are hiding backdoors
If they have nothing to hide, they wouldn't be hiding the source code
They have proven themselves untrustworthy with our data at every turn so until we can verify the sourcecode, they must not be trusted
Trust is not a "feature" they can simply tack-on or win by defaming anyone who opposes their tactics
There is a bit more to it than that
ddriver - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
I use android without google services installed. It harvests literally nothing. You can easily get android without google, only the open source part, most roms today install without any google cr@p, which you have to install additionally, if you so chose.arrakis_oasis - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
XP-SP2 more secure? What a joke. Another tin-foil hatter here, move along.Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
you mad bro?I haven't had a bluescreen of death in XP for the past 10 years
It boots up in less than half the time that Spyware Platform 10 boots
It doesn't get infected with persistent threats
I can safely check out all the latest threats and malware sites without worry of infections
Pron sites too!
Try that with your precious Malware Platform 10
I dare ya
More secure?
You better believe it
It's YOUR a$$ if you don't
I can even run software that Microsoft doesn't want me too
Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
tosnowmyr - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
>Spyware Platform 10>Pron sites too!
>Malware Platform 10
>I dare ya
>It's YOUR a$$ if you don't
All of that says more about the level of the comment than making a too/to mistake.
Alexvrb - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
XP is full of holes. Easy to compromise. Bring it to a hackathon. You have got to be either the biggest troll or if you believe your bullpoop, the biggest fool.Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
I held 24 hour contests at the old Maximum PC and at ZDNet to allow all of the best hackers on the Planet hack my XP box and post the banking details I left on my desktop to the forums with My permissionThe Israeli's Failed
The Russians Failed
The Chinese Failed
North Korea Failed
and the NSA Failed!
Shall I hold another contest right here and see if you have a clue what you are talking about?
You will all Fail Bigtime
You have no facts
Only beliefs
Go ahead, Try Me!
Michael Bay - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
Did any of those you listed even know you offered this Terrible Challenge?Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
I always give plenty of warning ahead of time so so can notify your buddies at the NSA and elsewhere of the challengeSo yeah, everyone had a chance so show the World how good they "think" they are
It is the "Perfect Challenge" proving that you really don't know what you think you know
Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
....and a great opportunity to grab your zero-daysLOL
Michael Bay - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
Specify. What kind of warning did you give to the parties listed? Did you write to NSA asking to hack you at a specific time? Who exactly was a recipient of your correspondence? Did they write back? What did they write?Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
Their only warning is from trolls like youIf you want to prove me wrong, it is your responsibility to notify whoever you want to hack my box within the timeframe given
I am not about to do your work for you
I have not had my XP box hosed by malware for several years now since I figured out how to protect it
If you ask nicely, I'll tell you how
Michael Bay - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
Spare me the logorrhea and answer the posted question, honey. How did they answer to your Terrible Challenge? Did they answer at all?Bullwinkle J Moose - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
They answered the same way you didNothing but trash talk about how easily they could hack my box or destroy it with malware and yet I'm still using it online waiting for ANYONE to do what they say they can do
Nothing but blah blah blah
Just like the responses here
Bullwinkle J Moose - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
Basically I offered to leave my box online and logged in the the websites listed under my usual screen name for 24 hours so they can verify it is really meI then gave them permission to hack my box and post the credentials I left on my desktop within that 24 hour period
There was no affiliation with ZDNet or Maximum PC
Are those conditions acceptable to you or do you need to have them rigged in your favor to win the challenge?
Michael Bay - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
Names.Bullwinkle J Moose - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
I don't have names for youIt was an open offer to everyone in the forum and every hacking expert they could find
Same offer I'm giving you
piiman - Saturday, October 29, 2016 - link
Why would anyone waste time hacking a box they know has nothing of importance on it? For fun? lol Good one!BrokenCrayons - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
Hang on a moment. You specifically posted, "I held 24 hour contests at the old Maximum PC and at ZDNet to allow..." and now you're posting, "There was no affiliation with ZDNet or Maximum PC."Make up your mind about which yarn it is that you'd like to spin to us.
At any rate, you're saying you offered to be logged on to a set of listed websites (what sites?) under a usual screen name (what name?) for 24 hours. Offered to where? To whom exactly? What mechanism were these nation states and government agencies advised of your offer? You see, anyone can sit at their desk and say aloud, "Here I am China, logged into webmail for the day. Come get me!" and then proclaim that after a day when nothing happened their computer was secured against intrusion attempts.
Why not post your current public IP address here in the comments box and then leave your equipment powered up and connected for 24 hours?
Bullwinkle J Moose - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
If I offer you the same conditions to hack my box within 24 hours, it in no way implies that I am affiliated with AnandTechand how come you don't have my public IP address?
are you a hacker or not?
BrokenCrayons - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
Nope, I'm not and never will be a hacker. I'm just interested in watching you squirm a little as you try to keep up the game you think you're playing here.Donkey2008 - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
All you need is a UFO and maybe something about Bigfoot to make your troll post perfect.Bullwinkle J Moose - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
Thousands of flying objects are still unidentified and I have big feetpiiman - Saturday, October 29, 2016 - link
lol none of your claims are trueBrokenCrayons - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
XP is not more secure. There are a lot of holes in the OS that are not and never will be patched because it's not gotten support in years. There are certainly cases where using XP isn't optional because of business-software related problems or personal finance issues, but it's a much better idea to move to a more modern OS if at all possible. Windows 10 is a data mining platform with a laundry list of data privacy concerns and I cringe when I have to use it, but it does better protect the end user from malicious actors. Well, malicious actors aside from Microsoft anyway. In that respect, Windows 10 meets a lot of computer security industry criteria that'd classify it as a Trojan Horse, but exclusively for the company.Linux is a great alternative and is my primary OS, but I think it's unrealistic to expect the vast majority of people to transition to it. There are a lot of barriers in the way of widespread adoption and I feel confidant in saying Linux not replace Windows as the most widely used OS. I've been tinkering with Linux since 1999 and made a full transition in 2013. It wasn't painless and I think most people would be too discouraged to stick with it. For the vast majority of average people, Windows is just fine. They'll just have to live with data mining because avoiding it means not only dumping Microsoft products, but also Alphabet/Google, Facebook, Twitter, and the multitude of advertising firms out there. Most people can't live without a cellular phone (or at least think they can't anyway) so they're pretty much tagged and tracked everywhere they go. If not by that, then by their game console, their smart television, their car's infotainment system, or whatever else.
Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Yeah, it IS more secureYOU are NOT a security expert!
I AM
Do your own research instead of listening to the same criminals who are pretending to protect you
I concede that most of you will not know how to protect an XP box if you try
I concede that you will fail 100% of the time when you listen to "The Experts"
but you will NEVER be secure when you back a rigged system that steals "your" future and hands it to the Criminals who are pretending to protect you
I would probably be banned for calling you all liars or idiots but there really is no 3rd choice
It's one or the other I'm afraid
Sad but true
Sorry if the truth hurts
That is not my intent
GET A CLUE
Alexvrb - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
There's no way you're a security expert of any sort. If you were, you just discredited yourself and nobody will take you seriously anymore. Anyone with a brain knows XP has more holes than swiss cheese and a lot of modern software packages (including the best up-to-date security software) no longer support it.Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
So hack my box tuff guyKnowing more about Windows security than you do does not discredit me in any way
Point me to ANY malware infected website that can wreck my XP box and I shall promptly concede
I cannot find ANY extortionware or persistent threat of any type that can permanently wreck this box and I have been searching for YEARS
I research malware every day
What do you do?
I mean honestly, what do you do?
No more lies
snowmyr - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
I'm the head of the NSA and I just hacked your XP box. Game over.What I wrote is more believable than anything you've posted yet.
Donkey2008 - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
You are just feeding the troll you know.Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
NSA huh?Do you want your zero-days back?
BrokenCrayons - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
Given your responses in this conversation and claims of affiliation with Maximum PC and ZD, that involve international hacking attempts on a desktop PC operating system (Really, North Korea has very limited contact with the English speaking world and the NSA _does not_ and _will never_ engage in hacking competitions hosted by small private companies like MPC or ZD. Neither will most nation states in the sense that the country itself will operate under a national banner at a hosted event from a magazine publisher or online tech review site.) it's blatantly obvious you're using the anonymous nature of Anandtech's comments features to make unverifiable, false claims to support unreasonable assertions.BurntMyBacon - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
@Bullwinkle J Moose: "Do your own research instead of listening to the same criminals who are pretending to protect you"I'd love to and I've taken more than a few looks around to find alternate sources of information. Problem is when I look online for information (you know, to research it) I get pointed to all kinds of places that support the same viewpoint as these so called "criminals" and their best security practices.
@Bullwinkle J Moose:
"I concede that most of you will not know how to protect an XP box if you try
I concede that you will fail 100% of the time when you listen to "The Experts""
Yet you offer no alternate source of information from which we may benefit. Without this information we have two choices: an XP box that, as you say, most of us will not know how to protect if we tried, and a Windows 10 box that "The Experts" tell us is more secure, but is also known to be more invasive of our privacy.
@Bullwinkle J Moose:
"YOU are NOT a security expert!
I AM"
Tell me, if you would immediately believe a post with the following characteristics:
From an unknown entity on a random tech forum.
Claims to be a security expert, but provides no credentials or supporting information.
Discounts your own possibly extensive knowledge on the subject matter without knowing anything about you.
Provides no supporting information with which you might be able to evaluate and possibly even accept the proposed point of view.
I could go as far as to accept your claim of expertise at face value. Yet, this would do me no good whatsoever as your proposition that we should all drop Windows 10 in favor an XP box is marred by the fact that that we don't have the apparent expertise to secure it and you are too concerned with posting unsubstantiated claims of being hack-proof by state actors (who have no incentive to hack your nor tell you whether they were successful) to so much as point us in the right direction.
Congratulations on having the only "secured" XP box in the world. For us lesser mortals, we have to make a trade off that gives up one of security (Our XP boxes), privacy (Win10), or flexibility (Linux distros). Of course, you could always point us to the places you acquired said expertise. Who knows, you might even get some people supporting your viewpoint and make the world a better place.
Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
Wow BurntBaconThat was actually quite a well thought out comment
I make XP Read Only with Driveshield
I use an aftermarket Firewall and block EVERYTHING except my browser
Yes, I even block ALL security software from sending or receiving (They are usually the problem)
No Flash or Java allowed (Noscript/adblock etc)
The only way in or out is through Browser flaws (ALL Microsoft components are blocked)
I run the OS with FULL ADMIN rights!
No security updates from Microsoft
Just a free antivirus WITH NO SECURITY UPDATES!
Targeted strikes CAN be made by updating an antivirus
If I need a newer antivirus, I simply download the FULL package and install it offline
I have tested malware against from thousands of shady sites over the years and I think it is about as close to perfect as I can get it at this pioint
Fresh installs of Windows 8.1 with all the latest updates has been hosed several times by malware but the XP box is still going strong
I would gladly use a newer version of Windows if they had one without all the spyware built in
but until then, this works
waldoh - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Game Broadcasting in W10onbquo - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Damn.. even though the tech is nice they suck at presenting it.. lolOmega215D - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Yeah, more suit and tie compared to the laid back fun of Apple events.Michael Bay - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
>apple events>laidback fun
Maybe if you`re an oven-bound libtard.
waldoh - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
980M LMAO whhhhyyyyyjsntech - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Because thin!RaichuPls - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
In the age of GTX 10 series... they put a GTX 980M in? A GTX 1060 would have been much better...damianrobertjones - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Probably developed when the 10 series didn't exist.Omega215D - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Really thin designs don't allow much room for thermal management so a mobile GPU suits this better just like Apple using mobile GPUs in the slim iMac lineup. Now of course it would be great to have the mobile versions of the 10x0 line but I guess it wasn't available when it was being developed.JoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
"2x more graphics"So, 20lbs of graphics and ass?
rhx123 - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
980M?No USB-C on the Surface book, let alone Thunderbolt??
What the heck are you doing???
waldoh - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
MS thinks they are Apple and can get away with outdated hardware lol.980M... built for professionals because professionals care about how thin the computer is... Should say built for interior designers and soccer dads.
ToTTenTranz - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
1.9x TFLOPs sounds like either full Polaris 11 or some very high clocked GP107.ToTTenTranz - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
From the newly released video, the GPU is a "N16-E-GR", which is a GTX 965M (fully enabled GM206, ):https://youtu.be/A1OsmndtIrY?t=30
Looks like Microsoft stuck to old 28nm GPUs in all their new products from today.
Manch - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
I also noticed in the video, it appears to be socketed. Are the original SB like this? If so, I wonder if it would be upgradeable. Maybe for when they do another refresh? Just a curiosity. Also, any mention of how much RAM? 1GB still or 4GB? I wanted an SB but the graphics card was just too anemic for my tastes @ 1GB. Held off hoping for pascal or hell Polaris even with at least 4GB... Oh well.Chaitanya - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Damn thats one good looking AIO, still wondering why not use pascal based gpu, why use that 980Mdamianrobertjones - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Might have been too late to re-design :/BrokenCrayons - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
"Come to my stall in the market! Be awestruck by my gimmicky goo-gaws!" -MicrosoftRocket321 - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Why are they showing an screenshot of FlighSim X (10:41 EDT) after they sold the rights and game engine, and fired the developers?jsntech - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Now with more invasive telemetry than ever before! You ain't seen nuthin yet!"Surface Book has highest user satisfaction from any laptop device"
^ hahahahahahaha...aaaah, haven't laughed that hard in months. ty MS!
But...that big 3:2 display on the AIO is moderately delightful. PLEASE let that catch on as an option for other stuff...
The decision to go just about fully un-wired on the AIO is bold...be interesting to see the adoption rate.
BurntMyBacon - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
@jsntech: "Now with more invasive telemetry than ever before! You ain't seen nuthin yet!"True that.
@jsntech: ""Surface Book has highest user satisfaction from any laptop device"
^ hahahahahahaha...aaaah, haven't laughed that hard in months. ty MS!"
This one is (oddly enough) apparently true. The 2016 J.D. Power study shows it loosing out only by a very small margin to Apple's iPad (which isn't a laptop device). Also, Apple and Microsoft get the only 5 stars in the study index. Now, you may find the study flawed or you may decide there are better studies out there, but at least they can actually point to something that supports the statement:
http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2016-us-tabl...
jnstech: "But...that big 3:2 display on the AIO is moderately delightful. PLEASE let that catch on as an option for other stuff..."
If any other manufacturers are watching, this is the take away. More than a few people would enjoy a 3:2 (or at least 16:10) >10 Mpixel display with good color accuracy and support for both DCI-P3 and sRGB display modes.
bill44 - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
"Different color modes for DCI-P3 and sRGB"Need to sort color management first. High DPI scaling too.
J.W.M. - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
When is Anandtech going to upgrade their ancient commenting system? I prefer Disqus or Lifvfyre. That it's impossible to up- or down vote here and not being able to sort the comments is the biggest flaw of the current system.Impulses - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
I'd settle for edit... Disqus tends to be super sluggish on mobile.137ben - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Disqus breaks on Pale Moon. Lifvfyre is one I haven't tried.Lolimaster - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Yu cand edid comends in 2016, GG.Gunbuster - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
What a snooze fest. I guess the AIO is good to fill out the portfolio but it's going to sell in such minimal quantities... Maybe it was good to just keep the design team busy between Surface Pro iterations.AnnaDi - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Bored this evening? Don't know where to find a girl for the night? Welcome to https://goo.gl/PSgNLjMeteor2 - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
No Thunderbolt or Pascal? Forget it.MS should simply have waited until they could get Pascal.
Not putting Thunderbolt on a device seemingly aimed at videographers (amount others) was dumb.
Gigaplex - Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - link
Are the new Surface Book keyboard/GPU modules compatible with the older Surface Book?Alkov - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
Hipster douche-e-rific. As is tradition. I'm so sick of salesmen replacing engineers, metaphorically speaking. I'll bet they said cloud, VR, and maybe social a few times. This douchey type of headset mic presentation on a stage is getting old, and that's something that gives me hope. Kill it.I've used Windows 8 and 10. Each release worse than the next. Every device I have with either OS literally collects dust and I wouldn't think twice of frisbeeing a tablet or two just to prove a point and get a few Win10isWorthTheRape people mad. It's not that bad once you get used to it. Yeah right, bite the pillow and take it from whatever this new wave tech bullshit is trying to rebrand itself as. I'll be elsewhere, totally missing out on all that fun
Donkey2008 - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
TRIGGEREDAlkov - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
So triggeredtheuglyman0war - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
28 inch surface with pen pressure sensitive support? Hopefully it is full featured ( predictable pen behavior slow or fast, driver support on most applications day one, angle and >1024 levels )In Maryland Institute college of art as a student I remember being indoctrinated to not work timidly with small surfaces but working large with my shoulder and sweeping with my whole arm when putting down marks. Not hunched in on tight little spots one becomes overly precious with in detail but to work in broad overall strokes and composition all at once strategies that large surfaces reinforced.
Back then a lot of students had the same portable back board made out of homosote cut from a panel at 4' x 2' which we punched 2 holes along a top edge to facilitate lacing up a shoulder strap.
To this one would affix nice large quality paper like arches or Rives BFK with tape ( or push pins cause homosote substitutes fer cork nicely! ) and one was good to go... And that was for the most part my backboard art board surface that I used for many years till it finally wore down.
The thing is... that 4' x 2' surface was what the discipline resulted as ones "portable" solution. You could sit outside on a hill and balance the board however one could manage and did your landscapes or character studies in a park or in the town square around the docks.
Usually u managed some sort of foldable easel as well so your homosote panel could double as backing for portable easel and oil painting.
Fast forward to today where I do everything digital.
Now I do not expect a 4 ft x 2 ft portable tablet to be released anytime soon and have a market understand providing a viable realistic demand that appreciates the work large discipline belief...
But I got to chuckle when I read comments complaining at any tablet that is over 13inches being to unweildly to realistically be portable!
Hah!
double hah!
And one has got to wonder?
When did artists become such big wussies?
I would love a 17" portable pressure sensitive tablet for outdoor sketchpad capturing on the go.
And this All in one could be a god send for a main working beast of burden for most my pen enabled needs.
( even tho secretly I be pushing fer a day when I could take that 28 inches out in the field and actually have a 10 hour battery life. I am willing to bet the AIO in this article is still lighter than my old homosote art board! :) . Although my Homosote artboard would not require hundreds of feet of extension cable to take it outside )
Michael Bay - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
I`d much rather have paint.net functionality built into the system than this 3d bullshit. Give me working layers, some simple filters and levelling tool.Donkey2008 - Thursday, October 27, 2016 - link
Paint.net is an awesome program. I use it all the time.Michael Bay - Friday, October 28, 2016 - link
Layers are awful the way they are now.Is it that hard to outright copy how Photoshop does it? It`s a goddamn standard for a reason.