this looks great. in the market for a computer soon and its going to be a big tossup between all the kaby lake pcs and the new macbook pro (or maybe air)
I'm confused as to what you're looking for here. Apple has had a 13" laptop with a 2560x1600 screen for 4 years now (granted that's almost 30% less pixels, but it is a preferable aspect ratio and comes standard even on the base model). Of course they won't be shipping a Kaby Lake version until the GT3 parts are available since Apple generally doesn't do GT2. However, Intel paper launched Skylake-U 2+3 in Q3'15, despite them not shipping until Q1'16, and as far as I can tell have only been available in the Vaio Z and Vaio Z Flip since then. Furthermore, Intel's roadmap from nearly a year ago showed Kaby Lake-U 4+4 as TBD, and 2+3 as week 6-18 2017, so I wouldn't exactly be holding my breath for a Kaby Lake MacBook Pro release this month.
Although the Envy 13 is definitely thinner, it only weighs a hair less than the 13-inch MBP, which is crazy because the MBP packs a 74.9 Wh battery vs the Envy's 57.8.
Yeah, but sorry gonna say it - but its a Mac, which is filed into the 'who cares' as far as I'm concerned.
I'd like to be compatible with the other 90% of the computing community.
Nobody has ever handed me new software to interface with a new Network Element, and said, oh but sorry, this only runs on a Mac. But I've seen SO many Macs running Windows.
I love XPS screens (especially bezels)... but I don't like soft touch material they use for palm rest. Whenever I see XPS in the shop, they look quite greasy and "mushy"... material seems to be very fingerprint-friendly.
When I look at XPS in computer shop, it always look more worn than surrounding full-metal machines, because of that finish. It is all mater of taste, but personally, I don't like it much.
The other thing that, in general, worry me about these soft-touch, rubbery finishes... I've seen a few of them getting all shiny and "polished" from everyday use, and occasionally start peeling off. I'm not talking about XPS but about this type of finish. Perhaps Dell has used really quality solution that will stand test of time (and abuse) better?
Hyperbaric chambers are steel tubes into which you put divers with decompression sickness. I do not see one of those. Nor do I see any of the other variants of hyperbaric medicine devices such as hyperbaric oxygen tubes. It is I think a blatantly wrong use of a term that sounded "cool". Hyper (high) baric (pressure) means "high pressure" so the assertion must be that all this blowing of fans creates a high pressure (duh - isn't that how fans, and wings and sails work?) that cools the device, thus "hyperbaric". A gross mischaracterization of a sealed chamber through which air is blown.
This is how a language dies - turned over to marketers to be tortured to death.
Well no. there are three main ways to do air cooling. hyperbaric (positive air pressure), hypobaric (negative air pressure) and isobaric (zero net air pressure) and they all depend on how much air is being blown in versus how much is being blown out.
everyone prefers what they do, temp wise it doenst really matter, but where it does matter is dust accumulation. with hyperbaric cooling, you only really need a filter on the intake, since you have a high air pressure situation inside the computer, meaning dust will not be able to enter through any holes.
I wonder if you can charge with USB-C. I really detest the fact that laptop makers don't just give up on their proprietary chargers and just put a USB-C port on either side of their laptop and use it for charging. It is time to move on and have open formats. Get USB-C data and power on monitors, on laptops, on as much stuff under 100W as possible.
Couple of mistakes. 1. Those silver keys why? 2. QHD+ (3200×1800) is an overkill and will make everything blurry (those with DPI scaling will know how bad). for 15 inch or below screen "2560x1440" is the readable resolution and is as sharp as it can get (as you wont need DPI scalling). 3. every laptop should have touch fingure print reader not swipe. No-Excuse.
The 3200x1800 on my Yoga 2 pro begs to differ. I can't stand to use my gf's first gen x1 carbon at 1600x900 (exactly 1/4 the pixels in the same screen size). The x1 carbon looks like a blurry disaster by comparison. Scaling does not make things blurry. Everything is crystal clear. Have you ever used a real high resolution ultrabook outside the poorly configured floor models at best buy?
If I'm seeing it right, does that "lifted hinge" result in the bottom edge of the display sticking down below the plane of the body/keyboard and therefore digging into your legs/lap? It may sound silly, but I've had to return devices for this reason. I could hardly believe at this late date that stuff like that could get through the HCI design phase, but when screens do that it's actually painful to have it on your lap for extended periods of time.
What bothers me more is the sharp edge at the front of most laptops wher your wrists hit. I wish those would be rounded down. But I agree with you, I don't like the lip of the screen extending down below the frame.
The bulk pricing is not relevant as they will want to make a profit on any upgrades. 128GB is enough for many people as not everyone plays games or has massive media libraries.
With windows and a few apps you'll have half of 128GB which is never 128GB but less than that, gone. 60GB then is really not enough even for person who don't play games or have massive media libraries. Users will soon end up with no space left=very annoying. 256GB should really be the very minimum...
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Yuriman - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Looks like they nailed it, this is almost exactly what I want in a computer.blacktaxi2d - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
this looks great. in the market for a computer soon and its going to be a big tossup between all the kaby lake pcs and the new macbook pro (or maybe air)medi03 - Sunday, October 16, 2016 - link
I envy US pricing.Notmyusualid - Monday, October 17, 2016 - link
Don't we all?jamesmur - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
If HP can put Kaby Lake in a 13" laptop with a QHD+ screen, why can't Apple? I realize 15" is a little different, but come on.repoman27 - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
I'm confused as to what you're looking for here. Apple has had a 13" laptop with a 2560x1600 screen for 4 years now (granted that's almost 30% less pixels, but it is a preferable aspect ratio and comes standard even on the base model). Of course they won't be shipping a Kaby Lake version until the GT3 parts are available since Apple generally doesn't do GT2. However, Intel paper launched Skylake-U 2+3 in Q3'15, despite them not shipping until Q1'16, and as far as I can tell have only been available in the Vaio Z and Vaio Z Flip since then. Furthermore, Intel's roadmap from nearly a year ago showed Kaby Lake-U 4+4 as TBD, and 2+3 as week 6-18 2017, so I wouldn't exactly be holding my breath for a Kaby Lake MacBook Pro release this month.Although the Envy 13 is definitely thinner, it only weighs a hair less than the 13-inch MBP, which is crazy because the MBP packs a 74.9 Wh battery vs the Envy's 57.8.
repoman27 - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Sorry, that should have been H 4+4 and U 2+3.Notmyusualid - Monday, October 17, 2016 - link
Yeah, but sorry gonna say it - but its a Mac, which is filed into the 'who cares' as far as I'm concerned.I'd like to be compatible with the other 90% of the computing community.
Nobody has ever handed me new software to interface with a new Network Element, and said, oh but sorry, this only runs on a Mac. But I've seen SO many Macs running Windows.
Flame away...
MrSpadge - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
I suspect this poor notebook envies the display of the XPS 13.nikon133 - Thursday, October 20, 2016 - link
I love XPS screens (especially bezels)... but I don't like soft touch material they use for palm rest. Whenever I see XPS in the shop, they look quite greasy and "mushy"... material seems to be very fingerprint-friendly.When I look at XPS in computer shop, it always look more worn than surrounding full-metal machines, because of that finish. It is all mater of taste, but personally, I don't like it much.
The other thing that, in general, worry me about these soft-touch, rubbery finishes... I've seen a few of them getting all shiny and "polished" from everyday use, and occasionally start peeling off. I'm not talking about XPS but about this type of finish. Perhaps Dell has used really quality solution that will stand test of time (and abuse) better?
Rocket321 - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Hi, how does it use hyperbaric chamber cooling, can you add a quick description of what that means?Tabalan - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Enter this website [ http://www.pcworld.com/article/3084723/laptop-comp... ], scroll down to "Hyperbaric chamber" section (around middle of article). There you go.mccuerc - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Hyperbaric chambers are steel tubes into which you put divers with decompression sickness. I do not see one of those. Nor do I see any of the other variants of hyperbaric medicine devices such as hyperbaric oxygen tubes. It is I think a blatantly wrong use of a term that sounded "cool". Hyper (high) baric (pressure) means "high pressure" so the assertion must be that all this blowing of fans creates a high pressure (duh - isn't that how fans, and wings and sails work?) that cools the device, thus "hyperbaric". A gross mischaracterization of a sealed chamber through which air is blown.This is how a language dies - turned over to marketers to be tortured to death.
LukaP - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
Well no. there are three main ways to do air cooling. hyperbaric (positive air pressure), hypobaric (negative air pressure) and isobaric (zero net air pressure) and they all depend on how much air is being blown in versus how much is being blown out.everyone prefers what they do, temp wise it doenst really matter, but where it does matter is dust accumulation. with hyperbaric cooling, you only really need a filter on the intake, since you have a high air pressure situation inside the computer, meaning dust will not be able to enter through any holes.
Notmyusualid - Monday, October 17, 2016 - link
Well-said.tipoo - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
eli5 version: They added a seal around the fan so more air can be channeled through the heatsink.fanofanand - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Looks like a reasonable price for the specs, nicely done HP.ajp_anton - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
"refined graphics"Isn't Kaby Lake's graphics exactly the same as Skylake's, with only the multimedia capabilities upgraded?
MrSpadge - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
Yep. Refinement comes pretty cheap nowadays.Morawka - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
i wish it had the Spectre HP Logo, i really like the look of it.quiksilvr - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
I wonder if you can charge with USB-C. I really detest the fact that laptop makers don't just give up on their proprietary chargers and just put a USB-C port on either side of their laptop and use it for charging. It is time to move on and have open formats. Get USB-C data and power on monitors, on laptops, on as much stuff under 100W as possible.Meteor2 - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
This! That USB-C port looks rather wasted. No alt modes, PD, not even USB 3 gen 2.sharath.naik - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Couple of mistakes.1. Those silver keys why?
2. QHD+ (3200×1800) is an overkill and will make everything blurry (those with DPI scaling will know how bad). for 15 inch or below screen "2560x1440" is the readable resolution and is as sharp as it can get (as you wont need DPI scalling).
3. every laptop should have touch fingure print reader not swipe. No-Excuse.
Ej24 - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
The 3200x1800 on my Yoga 2 pro begs to differ. I can't stand to use my gf's first gen x1 carbon at 1600x900 (exactly 1/4 the pixels in the same screen size). The x1 carbon looks like a blurry disaster by comparison. Scaling does not make things blurry. Everything is crystal clear. Have you ever used a real high resolution ultrabook outside the poorly configured floor models at best buy?polygon_21 - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
Have you tried using the windows 10 dpi fix ?tipoo - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
It's bizarre that we still have to.Lolimaster - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
What they need to 1st is get rid of the 16:9 for computers, and embrace again 16:10 or even better, options with 3:2.The notebooks look retarded with so much unused space in their "top" part by using a 16:9. Macbooks Pros are the only option.
ikjadoon - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
Wow. That 29% battery increase! How did that happen? GOOD stuff, HP.jsntech - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
If I'm seeing it right, does that "lifted hinge" result in the bottom edge of the display sticking down below the plane of the body/keyboard and therefore digging into your legs/lap? It may sound silly, but I've had to return devices for this reason. I could hardly believe at this late date that stuff like that could get through the HCI design phase, but when screens do that it's actually painful to have it on your lap for extended periods of time.blzd - Sunday, October 16, 2016 - link
I don't think you're supposed to actually use them on your lap though. Especially not for extended periods.Dug - Monday, October 17, 2016 - link
What bothers me more is the sharp edge at the front of most laptops wher your wrists hit. I wish those would be rounded down. But I agree with you, I don't like the lip of the screen extending down below the frame.Lolimaster - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
There no excuse to not axe 128GB in favor of 256GB, the difference is what, $20 in bulk?smilingcrow - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
The bulk pricing is not relevant as they will want to make a profit on any upgrades.128GB is enough for many people as not everyone plays games or has massive media libraries.
milkod2001 - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
With windows and a few apps you'll have half of 128GB which is never 128GB but less than that, gone. 60GB then is really not enough even for person who don't play games or have massive media libraries. Users will soon end up with no space left=very annoying. 256GB should really be the very minimum...tipoo - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
Does HP use Microsoft Precision trackpads?mobutu - Saturday, October 15, 2016 - link
lol, premium laptop with fat and ugly as shit bezels. yeah right