This isn't meant for consumers. It's for business users, manager types and IMHO makes a lot of sense as they don't need high computing needs besides a bit powerpoint and such. HP also adds software and "cloud features":
HP Workspace enables users to run their Windows desktop apps (x86 and x64) when docked on a Windows Mobile device with Continuum. Using HP Workspace, users can bring the Windows desktop experience, with large-screen, keyboard and mouse support, to their Windows 10 Mobile device, and without the cost of server hardware and IT administration challenges of traditional app virtualization services. A subscription is required to access this service.
$800 device, plus a monthly subscription to the virtualization service with a limited number of hours use per week. "call for pricing", and at the end of the day your employee has at best 25% of phone apps they are used to having on the iPhone or Android you just took away. HP and Microsoft deeply committed to having your regular users in the business hate IT.
If it's truly for business purposes I don't think the app gap is as big of a deal as you make it seem. I can't think of too many apps I'd miss. Heck even outside of that I don't think I'd miss much.
Why ever use anything better? Celerons for everyone!
Seriously man, this thing smokes the crap out of the 950XL in almost every way possible. The 950XL has a better camera. That's about all that's better. In all other regards it's way more powerful and loaded with business-oriented features the Lumia lacks. Line up the spec sheets side by side and it's not even close. Plus it comes with the Dock, which I'd bet would have sold separately for ~$100. That's about what the docks for the Lumias cost.
That being said neither work on Verizon which is a bummer. If HP is smart they'll work with Big Red on a variant.
Yes, it is overpriced. However, this is a device that your company will buy for you. I don't expect anyone buying this with their own money. I love the Windows approach to UI; it takes a common sense approach and is not cluttered like iOS. As far as business productivity goes, it is the best OS for a smart phone. I currently have a ZTE Axon 7, which is the only device that is priced appropiatly to it's specs. The HP pricing is not for the HW specs but for certification, something which no personal user should need (IMHO). I am more than happy, trying out devices, and if it does not support anything specific I need, just return it within 30 days. I was considering buying a cheap 75$ windows phone for work and a nice Andriod phone that is priced appropiatly to the specs it offers (Only ZTE and OnePlus 3 fit the bill). Also note that the PIXEL XL is priced at least $300 over for the specs it offers. I am not willing to pay the extra $ for software services (unlimited cloud storage, music, day dream etc.). This is not unlike DELL/HP charging more for a laptop because they are giving you free anti-virus with it!!
Yeah, the waterproofing is the biggest deal for me versus the Lumias. I mean obviously the hardware is better too, but it's not like those are bad, this is just even better.
I like it, but I am concerned about whether or not it's going to get OS updates the same way regular Windows does, or if this is more like an Android device where it's insecure because HP has to authorize updates and never does so it's always insecure.
It's pricey, but if I knew it was getting updates, I might buy one to complement my iPhone...
The 920 does not. Wish it did as the battery is beginning to show its age. It's certainly not bad yet, but I like having that extra battery life for when I forget to charge it.
It's a piece of cake to change the battery on a Lumia 920. Takes 10 minutes, tops. The batteries are quite cheap on eBay, and it will come with all the tools you need to do it. Check out a video on YouTube if you want to see it done beforehand.
Isn't MIL-STD 810G a Military Grade certification? I'd recokon HP has gone overkill while making this phone. I'd pray they continue this and come up with a new upgraded model in future, though the current one doesn't seem to be going anywhere for a good 2 years I'd say.
So they were deeply committed to business but now are spinning it out to retail? Throwing a bone to fans or cant dump these fast enough and are looking for fresh suckers?
Pretty happy with my Lumia 950. Would prefer something similar with a Snappy 650/652/820/820 and minor updates for 300 - 400€ instead of such an all-in flagship.
ATT/Android had something like this years ago. It never caught on. Moto Atrix I believe it was. Now they try it again with an mobile OS that has nothing for apps. Good luck.
Continuum is not the same animal. It's also not limited to a single handset or manufacturer. Any Windows 10 Mobile device that meets the specs can do it.
Continuum displays a larger interface when the phone is docked to an external screen but you're still running a limited ARM runtime a la WinRT. And how many third party apps support Continuum to begin with?
I think it's a missed opportunity when Microsoft could have included x86 support and a full Win32 desktop when docked, assuming Intel had the right Atom chips.
It could replace thin client quite nicely, though. I don't know how popular terminal server/thin client setup is, globally... but we have quite a few customers who do prefer thin clients over desktops.
I'm pretty sure all UWP ARM-capable apps run in Continuum. They just don't all change to a more desktop-friendly interface when docked. But again for business purposes it's pretty nice to be able to travel with a phone and dock (or MiDock) and have software like Office and a web browser with full Continuum support. They're also adding windowed mode to Continuum. It's really pretty neat. If you NEED x86 apps then your business either has to give you another device (laptop etc) or use HP's cloud services.
Regarding x86 support, you blame MS and call it a missed opportunity, but then you yourself point out the real culprit: Intel. Intel doesn't have squat that can compete in this market, and if they did now (with the ultra-low-power Atoms getting the axe) it would be a Core something-or-another SoC and cost a fortune. You might as well blame them for not including a time travel device. Egads what a missed opportunity, not putting in the thing that doesn't exist.
Anyway look at previous x86 phones. Even when they were giving away chips for practically nothing, they still weren't that competitive. The graphics was OK for a mid-range device thanks to PowerVR, but the CPUs fell well behind the Snapdragon competition. Being almost free helped, but Intel got tired of making nothing off them. So lo and behind even the might Zenphone went more and more ARM and are now all-ARM.
It seems a good phone. Issue is, they're leveling the price with other platform's pricing. Where on the other platform I can use the device to fly a drone and use Uber app as a driver while with Windows 10, no can do. Still have my 1520 and switched to V10.
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RaichuPls - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
Damn, that's quite a spec list. 1440p AMOLED, Intel AC Wifi, 4150mAh battery with Windows Hello...cknobman - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
This thing is priced way too high.I'd buy the Lumia 950XL any day over this and save $300.
negusp - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
$300 for Business and Military Certification. Awesome sauce.beginner99 - Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - link
This isn't meant for consumers. It's for business users, manager types and IMHO makes a lot of sense as they don't need high computing needs besides a bit powerpoint and such. HP also adds software and "cloud features":HP Workspace enables users to run their Windows desktop apps (x86 and x64) when docked on a Windows Mobile device with Continuum. Using HP Workspace, users can bring the Windows desktop experience, with large-screen, keyboard and mouse support, to their Windows 10 Mobile device, and without the cost of server hardware and IT administration challenges of traditional app virtualization services. A subscription is required to access this service.
Gunbuster - Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - link
$800 device, plus a monthly subscription to the virtualization service with a limited number of hours use per week. "call for pricing", and at the end of the day your employee has at best 25% of phone apps they are used to having on the iPhone or Android you just took away. HP and Microsoft deeply committed to having your regular users in the business hate IT.Alexvrb - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
If it's truly for business purposes I don't think the app gap is as big of a deal as you make it seem. I can't think of too many apps I'd miss. Heck even outside of that I don't think I'd miss much.Alexvrb - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
Why ever use anything better? Celerons for everyone!Seriously man, this thing smokes the crap out of the 950XL in almost every way possible. The 950XL has a better camera. That's about all that's better. In all other regards it's way more powerful and loaded with business-oriented features the Lumia lacks. Line up the spec sheets side by side and it's not even close. Plus it comes with the Dock, which I'd bet would have sold separately for ~$100. That's about what the docks for the Lumias cost.
That being said neither work on Verizon which is a bummer. If HP is smart they'll work with Big Red on a variant.
Asubmani - Sunday, October 30, 2016 - link
Yes, it is overpriced. However, this is a device that your company will buy for you. I don't expect anyone buying this with their own money. I love the Windows approach to UI; it takes a common sense approach and is not cluttered like iOS. As far as business productivity goes, it is the best OS for a smart phone. I currently have a ZTE Axon 7, which is the only device that is priced appropiatly to it's specs. The HP pricing is not for the HW specs but for certification, something which no personal user should need (IMHO). I am more than happy, trying out devices, and if it does not support anything specific I need, just return it within 30 days. I was considering buying a cheap 75$ windows phone for work and a nice Andriod phone that is priced appropiatly to the specs it offers (Only ZTE and OnePlus 3 fit the bill).Also note that the PIXEL XL is priced at least $300 over for the specs it offers. I am not willing to pay the extra $ for software services (unlimited cloud storage, music, day dream etc.). This is not unlike DELL/HP charging more for a laptop because they are giving you free anti-virus with it!!
nigelmdl - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
Yeah got my HP certificate for this device a few day's ago.Don't forget that this thing also has IP67 protection.
Wolfpup - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
Yeah, the waterproofing is the biggest deal for me versus the Lumias. I mean obviously the hardware is better too, but it's not like those are bad, this is just even better.I like it, but I am concerned about whether or not it's going to get OS updates the same way regular Windows does, or if this is more like an Android device where it's insecure because HP has to authorize updates and never does so it's always insecure.
It's pricey, but if I knew it was getting updates, I might buy one to complement my iPhone...
Myrandex - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
Not to mention the fingerprint support, that's huge for me compared to the existing Lumias.nismotigerwvu - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
"The device is equipped a 5.96” AMOLED display and comes with 64 MB of eMMC 5.1 NAND flash storage"Looks like that should be 64GB.
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
IS the battery removable like the lumias, or is it sealed?Myrandex - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
Not all of the Lumias had removable batties. Only certain ones did (usually the lower end ones).BedfordTim - Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - link
The 950 has a removable battery as do all the other Lumias I have encountered.BurntMyBacon - Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - link
The 920 does not. Wish it did as the battery is beginning to show its age. It's certainly not bad yet, but I like having that extra battery life for when I forget to charge it.mrbios - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
It's a piece of cake to change the battery on a Lumia 920. Takes 10 minutes, tops. The batteries are quite cheap on eBay, and it will come with all the tools you need to do it. Check out a video on YouTube if you want to see it done beforehand.BurntMyBacon - Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - link
@TheinsanegamerNThe battery is non-removable.
Michael Bay - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
Will they even make something midrange anymore?Samus - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
Damn talk about throwing in everything...BMNify - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
Hope we get a review for this phone on Anandtech.SeleniumGlow - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
Isn't MIL-STD 810G a Military Grade certification? I'd recokon HP has gone overkill while making this phone. I'd pray they continue this and come up with a new upgraded model in future, though the current one doesn't seem to be going anywhere for a good 2 years I'd say.Gunbuster - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
So they were deeply committed to business but now are spinning it out to retail? Throwing a bone to fans or cant dump these fast enough and are looking for fresh suckers?serendip - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
Love those specs and I wouldn't mind one as a corporate issued phone. I wouldn't bother getting one as a consumer though.Windows Mobile as the new BlackBerry. That's a double edged sword for sure.
Lord 666 - Monday, October 10, 2016 - link
It is a little awkward to hold due to the width and edges. Other than that, it's an engineering marvel and very fluid.fanofanand - Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - link
$799 because of the dock, which you can't get. What a stupid release.Alexvrb - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
It comes with the dock. What are you talking about?MrSpadge - Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - link
Pretty happy with my Lumia 950. Would prefer something similar with a Snappy 650/652/820/820 and minor updates for 300 - 400€ instead of such an all-in flagship.Niteryder007 - Tuesday, October 11, 2016 - link
ATT/Android had something like this years ago. It never caught on. Moto Atrix I believe it was. Now they try it again with an mobile OS that has nothing for apps. Good luck.Alexvrb - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
Continuum is not the same animal. It's also not limited to a single handset or manufacturer. Any Windows 10 Mobile device that meets the specs can do it.serendip - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
Continuum displays a larger interface when the phone is docked to an external screen but you're still running a limited ARM runtime a la WinRT. And how many third party apps support Continuum to begin with?I think it's a missed opportunity when Microsoft could have included x86 support and a full Win32 desktop when docked, assuming Intel had the right Atom chips.
nikon133 - Wednesday, October 12, 2016 - link
It could replace thin client quite nicely, though. I don't know how popular terminal server/thin client setup is, globally... but we have quite a few customers who do prefer thin clients over desktops.Alexvrb - Thursday, October 13, 2016 - link
I'm pretty sure all UWP ARM-capable apps run in Continuum. They just don't all change to a more desktop-friendly interface when docked. But again for business purposes it's pretty nice to be able to travel with a phone and dock (or MiDock) and have software like Office and a web browser with full Continuum support. They're also adding windowed mode to Continuum. It's really pretty neat. If you NEED x86 apps then your business either has to give you another device (laptop etc) or use HP's cloud services.Regarding x86 support, you blame MS and call it a missed opportunity, but then you yourself point out the real culprit: Intel. Intel doesn't have squat that can compete in this market, and if they did now (with the ultra-low-power Atoms getting the axe) it would be a Core something-or-another SoC and cost a fortune. You might as well blame them for not including a time travel device. Egads what a missed opportunity, not putting in the thing that doesn't exist.
Anyway look at previous x86 phones. Even when they were giving away chips for practically nothing, they still weren't that competitive. The graphics was OK for a mid-range device thanks to PowerVR, but the CPUs fell well behind the Snapdragon competition. Being almost free helped, but Intel got tired of making nothing off them. So lo and behind even the might Zenphone went more and more ARM and are now all-ARM.
lestnas - Friday, October 14, 2016 - link
It seems a good phone. Issue is, they're leveling the price with other platform's pricing. Where on the other platform I can use the device to fly a drone and use Uber app as a driver while with Windows 10, no can do. Still have my 1520 and switched to V10.Ro_Ja - Sunday, October 16, 2016 - link
This Phone's got the same amount of RAM as my Desktop has right now.