The question would be: why? Unless you are talking about Core coming to a mobile device, there really isn't much/any use case for an Atom core grafted onto a desktop or laptop CPU.
- a way to get more multithread power into laptop/tablet space? - a way to get the lowest power possible when the load is small in laptop/tablet space? - a way to get more multithread power in highend/pro for some kinds of load?
I already don't see how this SOC is at all relevant in the IoT market, with a TDP of 6-12 watt - while IoT devices are in the miliwatt range.
Throwing in the Core architecture would make it even further from relevant.
I am not saying this is a nice SOC for some embedded usage like in tv's or cars perhaps but you won't be wearing it and it is overkill for your fridge... so not an IoT this. I guess Intel just uses the term for marketing purposes and it is sad Anandtech.com doesn't call them out on it.
1. Price would have to be around $100. 2. HDR10 (must) and DolbyVision (nice to have) output guaranteed
One potential third item: 3. PlayReady 3.0 hardware DRM (SL3000). We'll likely never see 4K Netflix via PC without it. I'm not sure what Amazon and Vudu use for authentication, but it could be something similar.
"but the core design and SoC integration is still mightily relevant for IoT and mini-PCs"
That word, IoT, I do not think it means what you think it means...
IoT for the most part refers to compute moving seriously down in the stack --- smart scales, BT-enabled thermometers and blood pressure cuffs, room air temperature and quality monitors, etc. These are devices that require three months (at least) of life off one battery, not devices that need quad-core and 18EU GPUs. MiniPCs are not the same thing as IoT, not even close.
Just because Intel PR throws out insane crap every IDF doesn't mean that you have to report it as though it actually makes sense... In the real world this looks like yet another Atom. Meaning a CPU that's relevant to people who actually NEED Windows and irrelevant to everyone else (ie the ACTUAL IoT) who will continue to use ARM just like before, with nothing about this chip making Atom any more compelling.
-- These are devices that require three months (at least) of life off one battery, not devices that need quad-core and 18EU GPUs. MiniPCs are not the same thing as IoT, not even close.
a very, very long time ago (~1980) some guy from Intel was quoted, "I'd rather be in every Ford than every PC". there are lots of places, with mains power of course, that can be IoT. more, I'd guess, than on somebody's wrist.
you're right that most IoT doesn't need this power and doesn't require windows but your examples are quite limited. Cameras, cars, variable speed limit signs, smart meters etc. are IoT as well and don't necessarily have battery issues.
> That word, IoT, I do not think it means what you think it means... > IoT for the most part refers to compute moving seriously down in the stack --- smart scales, BT-enabled thermometers and blood pressure cuffs, room air temperature and quality monitors, etc.
Problem is that those devices lack the "I" in IoT so you need gateways translating the lowest power physical layers and protocols from into IP communication so that's probably what Intel envisions where those new CPUs fit in: IoT gateways.
Most IoT devices require little processing power. That is, most devices we can currently think of. Give people more power in a small and affordable envelop (not judging whether Broxton fulfils this) and they'll unlock more applications which were not possible with the previous, limited hardware.
That's a very narrow view of IoT. A Nest thermostat is an IoT device that has access to power full time. A home security system is another, both could take advantage of this kind of stuff, though it's overkill, but plenty of "things" that could become smarter and are expected to always have ample power.
The IDF keynote talked about IoT on an industrial scale, and I think that is more the aim of these devices, at least initially. As usual the hard part for Intel is countering the raft of cheap and almost equally capable ARM cores that could be used for similar tasks.
I'm working on an IoT project and writing articles for IoT-dedicated papers. The device in question doesn't need 3 months battery (more like ~200 times less) and more processing power is actually very welcome.
Your definition of IoT fails in the part where it assumes that the processing power must be very low when compared to multicore ARM and x86 chips, which definitely not true.
Any new information / performance Data on Goldmount? And if Gen9 GPU the same as one in KabyLake? i.e HEVC Main 10 is actually 100% Hardware Decode rather then a Hybrid approach.
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colinisation - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
I wonder if we will ever see Intel use Core and Atom on the same die a la big.littlenandnandnand - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
That could be a good way to get them to make mainstream 6+ core chips.Cygni - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
The question would be: why? Unless you are talking about Core coming to a mobile device, there really isn't much/any use case for an Atom core grafted onto a desktop or laptop CPU.satai - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
- a way to get more multithread power into laptop/tablet space?- a way to get the lowest power possible when the load is small in laptop/tablet space?
- a way to get more multithread power in highend/pro for some kinds of load?
Samus - Friday, August 19, 2016 - link
Why? Because it's a really good idea. A quick tweak of the scheduler and a branch monitor would properly thread weak and strong cores on the fly.Colinisation is on to something I suspect we will see within the next few years from Intel.
ianmills - Friday, August 19, 2016 - link
Intel Atore!jospoortvliet - Sunday, August 21, 2016 - link
I already don't see how this SOC is at all relevant in the IoT market, with a TDP of 6-12 watt - while IoT devices are in the miliwatt range.Throwing in the Core architecture would make it even further from relevant.
I am not saying this is a nice SOC for some embedded usage like in tv's or cars perhaps but you won't be wearing it and it is overkill for your fridge... so not an IoT this. I guess Intel just uses the term for marketing purposes and it is sad Anandtech.com doesn't call them out on it.
BlueBlazer - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
This could be the new best HTPC chip with low power and full hardware video processing.nathanddrews - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Two things:1. Price would have to be around $100.
2. HDR10 (must) and DolbyVision (nice to have) output guaranteed
One potential third item:
3. PlayReady 3.0 hardware DRM (SL3000). We'll likely never see 4K Netflix via PC without it. I'm not sure what Amazon and Vudu use for authentication, but it could be something similar.
name99 - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
"but the core design and SoC integration is still mightily relevant for IoT and mini-PCs"That word, IoT, I do not think it means what you think it means...
IoT for the most part refers to compute moving seriously down in the stack --- smart scales, BT-enabled thermometers and blood pressure cuffs, room air temperature and quality monitors, etc. These are devices that require three months (at least) of life off one battery, not devices that need quad-core and 18EU GPUs.
MiniPCs are not the same thing as IoT, not even close.
Just because Intel PR throws out insane crap every IDF doesn't mean that you have to report it as though it actually makes sense... In the real world this looks like yet another Atom. Meaning a CPU that's relevant to people who actually NEED Windows and irrelevant to everyone else (ie the ACTUAL IoT) who will continue to use ARM just like before, with nothing about this chip making Atom any more compelling.
FunBunny2 - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
-- These are devices that require three months (at least) of life off one battery, not devices that need quad-core and 18EU GPUs.MiniPCs are not the same thing as IoT, not even close.
a very, very long time ago (~1980) some guy from Intel was quoted, "I'd rather be in every Ford than every PC". there are lots of places, with mains power of course, that can be IoT. more, I'd guess, than on somebody's wrist.
Murloc - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
you're right that most IoT doesn't need this power and doesn't require windows but your examples are quite limited.Cameras, cars, variable speed limit signs, smart meters etc. are IoT as well and don't necessarily have battery issues.
Daniel Egger - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
> That word, IoT, I do not think it means what you think it means...> IoT for the most part refers to compute moving seriously down in the stack --- smart scales, BT-enabled thermometers and blood pressure cuffs, room air temperature and quality monitors, etc.
Problem is that those devices lack the "I" in IoT so you need gateways translating the lowest power physical layers and protocols from into IP communication so that's probably what Intel envisions where those new CPUs fit in: IoT gateways.
MrSpadge - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Most IoT devices require little processing power. That is, most devices we can currently think of. Give people more power in a small and affordable envelop (not judging whether Broxton fulfils this) and they'll unlock more applications which were not possible with the previous, limited hardware.djc208 - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
That's a very narrow view of IoT. A Nest thermostat is an IoT device that has access to power full time. A home security system is another, both could take advantage of this kind of stuff, though it's overkill, but plenty of "things" that could become smarter and are expected to always have ample power.The IDF keynote talked about IoT on an industrial scale, and I think that is more the aim of these devices, at least initially. As usual the hard part for Intel is countering the raft of cheap and almost equally capable ARM cores that could be used for similar tasks.
ToTTenTranz - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
I'm working on an IoT project and writing articles for IoT-dedicated papers. The device in question doesn't need 3 months battery (more like ~200 times less) and more processing power is actually very welcome.Your definition of IoT fails in the part where it assumes that the processing power must be very low when compared to multicore ARM and x86 chips, which definitely not true.
KaarlisK - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Where can it be seen that LL cache = L3 cache?iwod - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Any new information / performance Data on Goldmount?And if Gen9 GPU the same as one in KabyLake? i.e HEVC Main 10 is actually 100% Hardware Decode rather then a Hybrid approach.