Does the Z1 meet MIL-810G specifications? As far as I know only the ZBooks passed a few of the tests and it's mostly for the marketing guys to sell it as a "fun fact". HP considers it unfit for military use. And I can tell you for a fact that the Z1 G1 did NOT survive the kind of impact you're talking about. I've seen plenty of cases where people "popped the hood" to show off for others and when closing it back they pushed it off the table with unfortunate consequences.
I assume the bezels are more likely to stiffen it up given the mechanism to open it. But when you can have both form and function choosing only one makes the Z1 a not so "sexy" compromise.
zBook 14 is based on the elitebook 840, zBook 15u is based on the 850, both 840/850 meet 8 of the 10 criteria for MILSTD 810G, only failing one of the two particle tests and obviously failing submersion, although they have IP44 rating for dust and water resistance. 810G requires IP56 or better. zBook 17 is questionable.
The Z1 meets 4 of the 810G criteria and vibration and impact are two of them. It should have no trouble falling off a table and surviving. The entire frame is magnesium reinforced (the subframe is shown in the photo above) but I agree the bezel is also partially designed that way for the maintenance hinge.
I'll tell you as someone who works in IT that HP enterprise products are easier to work on than Dell or Lenovo's and obviously Apple, who have virtually no maintenance access in the iMac. That isn't surprising since their target market typically don't even upgrade components, they just cycle equipment.
Look at the picture of the back of the device when it's open - note the number of hard-mounting points to hold the device together. They're necessary to maintain the serviceability of this system.
Missed opportunity on just using a 27" 4K IPS panel instead.
24" 4K is what I use at home, but I have relatively sharp vision, so I'm not bothered with small display elements and I use Windows 7 with default 100% scaling. Whenever friends/family see the text, they have a hard time reading what's going on, so I know it's not for everyone, and display scaling still really hasn't matured well enough, even with Windows 10.
A 27" 4K IPS panel would have increased the cost of this particular item, certainly. However, the pixel density wouldn't be as radical of a change as going from a typical 24" 1080p display to a 24" 4K display with 4x the pixel density. But more importantly, HP would be able to fit the same internals (with even more space in the back, too) without having to opt for a massive bezel. Large bezels like this aren't attractive and will be seen as a big downside for lots of people considering this item as a potential all-in-one workstation solution.
I got to preview this about a year ago at an industry event. HP explained that their customers had specifically asked for the new generation Z1 to be smaller and lighter - that's why they went with 24" on the display.
As for the bezels, servicability is the key there.
They dont compete with the Xeons performance wise. IIRC some celerons and pentiums also support ECC, as well as the Atom based Avotons. They are nice for home built NAS units and such.
It supported for a long time, but always required a C-series chipset to "enable" it. The i5 and i7 do not support it, because there are correspoding Xeon-E3s in Intel's lineup - it seems Intel didn't wan't to have 2 core Xeons (except for the few low-power ones.
I hate this product, as it means some poor worker is going to have to get by with a 24inch screen, when they should be getting two 27 inch screens. If they don't two 27 inch screens, then they probably don't really need a workstation.
Confused by why weight is a big issue? It was brought up three times. This thing sits on a desk and is not likely to get picked up and moved around everyday, so who cares what it weighs and why?
Customer requirement. The 1st gen 27" Z1 weighs 25Kg - this necessitated a huge foot on the desk, limited its compatibility with adjustable desk-mounted arms and made it an absolute pig to relocate or service.
I'm in love. I wish it ran MacOS X. This seems WAY better than any iMac (user-servicable is the big win for me), and yeah Apple's constant drumbeat of thinner is always better even when it's a desktop you aren't likely to ever carry around. Man I want one of these but man I don't want to move to Windows 10.
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close - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
I used to have a first gen Z1 for work a few years back. Haven't used one in a long time though so those bezels look huge now.milkod2001 - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Probably the thickest bezels in history of PC. Is it really that necessary?close - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Looking at pictures of the G1 it feels like the bezels were slimmer, and that design was already old(ish) 4 years ago.https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cLDf6mBAb84/maxresdefault.j...
Samus - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Most MIL-810G spec devices have thick bezels...it's basically a requirement to survive the 3 foot x 30 on all sides impact test.Function over form people. If you want thin weak bezels there are plenty of other fruity companies that'll offer them.
close - Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - link
Does the Z1 meet MIL-810G specifications? As far as I know only the ZBooks passed a few of the tests and it's mostly for the marketing guys to sell it as a "fun fact". HP considers it unfit for military use.And I can tell you for a fact that the Z1 G1 did NOT survive the kind of impact you're talking about. I've seen plenty of cases where people "popped the hood" to show off for others and when closing it back they pushed it off the table with unfortunate consequences.
I assume the bezels are more likely to stiffen it up given the mechanism to open it. But when you can have both form and function choosing only one makes the Z1 a not so "sexy" compromise.
Samus - Wednesday, April 27, 2016 - link
zBook 14 is based on the elitebook 840, zBook 15u is based on the 850, both 840/850 meet 8 of the 10 criteria for MILSTD 810G, only failing one of the two particle tests and obviously failing submersion, although they have IP44 rating for dust and water resistance. 810G requires IP56 or better. zBook 17 is questionable.The Z1 meets 4 of the 810G criteria and vibration and impact are two of them. It should have no trouble falling off a table and surviving. The entire frame is magnesium reinforced (the subframe is shown in the photo above) but I agree the bezel is also partially designed that way for the maintenance hinge.
I'll tell you as someone who works in IT that HP enterprise products are easier to work on than Dell or Lenovo's and obviously Apple, who have virtually no maintenance access in the iMac. That isn't surprising since their target market typically don't even upgrade components, they just cycle equipment.
Eden-K121D - Thursday, May 5, 2016 - link
Why is that level of protection important because for all i know it'll be sitting on a dektopSpunjji - Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - link
Look at the picture of the back of the device when it's open - note the number of hard-mounting points to hold the device together. They're necessary to maintain the serviceability of this system.rUmX - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Wow, those bezels... Lots of wasted screen estate.JeffFlanagan - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
This is the Post-It note special, with lots of extra space for post-its.JoeyJoJo123 - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Missed opportunity on just using a 27" 4K IPS panel instead.24" 4K is what I use at home, but I have relatively sharp vision, so I'm not bothered with small display elements and I use Windows 7 with default 100% scaling. Whenever friends/family see the text, they have a hard time reading what's going on, so I know it's not for everyone, and display scaling still really hasn't matured well enough, even with Windows 10.
A 27" 4K IPS panel would have increased the cost of this particular item, certainly. However, the pixel density wouldn't be as radical of a change as going from a typical 24" 1080p display to a 24" 4K display with 4x the pixel density. But more importantly, HP would be able to fit the same internals (with even more space in the back, too) without having to opt for a massive bezel. Large bezels like this aren't attractive and will be seen as a big downside for lots of people considering this item as a potential all-in-one workstation solution.
Spunjji - Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - link
I got to preview this about a year ago at an industry event. HP explained that their customers had specifically asked for the new generation Z1 to be smaller and lighter - that's why they went with 24" on the display.As for the bezels, servicability is the key there.
RaichuPls - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Huh never knew Core i3 supported ECC. Any reason why the i3 supports it and not the i5/i7?LukaP - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
They dont compete with the Xeons performance wise. IIRC some celerons and pentiums also support ECC, as well as the Atom based Avotons. They are nice for home built NAS units and such.GL1zdA - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
It supported for a long time, but always required a C-series chipset to "enable" it. The i5 and i7 do not support it, because there are correspoding Xeon-E3s in Intel's lineup - it seems Intel didn't wan't to have 2 core Xeons (except for the few low-power ones.extide - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
At first I was like WTF Intel?! but yeah, that does actually make sense.willis936 - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Mobile professional graphics. For what reason?aliasfox - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Heat issues most likely dictate mobile solutions, professional orientation dictates professional solution.Sttm - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
I hate this product, as it means some poor worker is going to have to get by with a 24inch screen, when they should be getting two 27 inch screens. If they don't two 27 inch screens, then they probably don't really need a workstation.id4andrei - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Who gives a damn about bezels? A true serviceable and upgradeable AIO. This matters more.nedjinski - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Confused by why weight is a big issue? It was brought up three times. This thing sits on a desk and is not likely to get picked up and moved around everyday, so who cares what it weighs and why?Spunjji - Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - link
Customer requirement. The 1st gen 27" Z1 weighs 25Kg - this necessitated a huge foot on the desk, limited its compatibility with adjustable desk-mounted arms and made it an absolute pig to relocate or service.FreihEitner - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
I'm in love. I wish it ran MacOS X. This seems WAY better than any iMac (user-servicable is the big win for me), and yeah Apple's constant drumbeat of thinner is always better even when it's a desktop you aren't likely to ever carry around. Man I want one of these but man I don't want to move to Windows 10.star-affinity - Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - link
Except that the 27" iMac offers a 5K display i guess?star-affinity - Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - link
I guess (with a capital I).B166ER - Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - link
Dat bezel tho....hanselltc - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link
I understand this is workstation and blah blah blah but this is a REALLY ugly machine.