Probably because they include graphical text elements, even though its only a minor part of the image PNG will keep them looking sharper than jpeg. As long as they aren't using PNG 24bit it shouldn't be a huge hit on image size either.
it's not a problem of png, it's a problem it the editor... the example png can easily be reduced to 512KB without any visual loss, it's just that most editors don't have these features built-in (reduction of colors, use of optipng+zopflipng)
is there any issue with PNG ? PNG is internet standard images, unofficial replacement to gif it have proper transparancy that jpg/jpeg not have, basically its lossless format and i dont think any image viewer having issue with it either ... so not sure why someone complain PNG images?
PNG photos are normally huge compared to JPEGs. Their advantages are for text (paying size for lossless to make the text artifact free) or for images with large areas that are single color and thus compress really well (eg non gradient covered screenshots).
Speaking of custom IO cards, very expensive machinery, and boards with legacy IO connectors; have boards with an ISA slot (80s/90s era expansion card) finally gone the way of the Dodo? At least as recently as the Core 2 era I know there was at least one vendor selling boards with a slot for one to people who needed to keep elderly hardware alive.
Ahh DFI, they sealed their fate in the consumer market with the Lanparty line, probably the most unreliable mainstream motherboards ever. It's hard to believe the same company made the legendary Infinity motherboards. Hopefully Supermicro doesn't do the same as they begin to enter the mainstream desktop board market...
Hmmm not how I remember it at the time. Basically if you didn't have a 939 DFI SLi board in your system you just weren't serious. My 939 Lanparty board gave superb service for several years with a Opteron 180, 2GB DDR500, 2 x 7900GTX and a Raptor. Sure they were quirky to configure to get the best out of them but I don't remember them being unreliable, even as a Lanparty Forum member. Still it was 10 years ago.
Depends which board you had. If you remember, the short lived nForce chipset through its 430 and 460 incarnations gave DFI a bad rap for reliability. The boards worked fine until they didn't. Most of the reviews were great initially until 2-3 years went by and the boards all started failing. It wasn't a DFI issue but DFI no doubt made more nForce boards than anybody for overclocking and the long term reliability of those chipset was terrible.
The nForce4 goes down in history as one of the highest performing yet most unstable platforms ever. God forbid you actually loaded the nVidia disk controller drivers instead of using the Microsoft default. Except perhaps the Intel 815e and VIA southbridges, those were pretty terrible too.
Some chipsets get a bad rap for no reason though, even recalled ones like the Intel P67. I still have the early non-Ivy Bridge compatible version on an Intel board no less and it's been stable in my HTPC for 5 years running daily...it must have 50,000 hours on it by now.
Everyone's NF4 boards died like crazy though. That doesn't explain why some makers like DFI were destroyed by nVidia's fiasco, while the ones who're still around managed to avoid any reputational damage from it.
I never had an issue with the nVidia SATA drivers. The only thing that screwed the build was the nVidia Network monitoring/security drivers. I used to help buddies with poor NF4 setups by asking first if they installed that. Yes they had. You only ever tried installing that crap once.
Before the v5, there was a limit of 32GB so 64GB is a huge improvement here (finally), but yes, it's a pain. >ou would have to buy a Xeon E5 1x http://ark.intel.com/compare/82767,82766,82765,827... . That pricebump is insane.
C232 didn't support vPro? Wow, talk about lack of foresight by Intel...they've been trying to push that as a corporate platform basically since Sandybridge and it wasn't even supported on their server platform?
The problem with iLO is all the entry level servers (non-E5) have iLO light which is kind of a management joke. Most of the remote management tools require iLO advanced which can be purchased as a license for some servers but not the ML110 because the eprom isn't large enough for the software. Even then, and this is hard for me to admit because in an HP guy, Dell's iDRAC is all around better, and free, like vPro. I'm just surprised vPro was never available on C232. Generally I use remoteKVM for management so this is all moot unless I actually need to hard power off equipment remotely and since I don't manage rack servers across the country that has never come up. Only once in my career have I had to jump in the car and drive somewhere to power a server back on because I accidentally shut it down lol.
Gigabyte, always the last on my list for components. Ugly mobos, terribad BIOS and "ATi CrossfireX support" printed on the mobo. Why not the 3DFX SLI? Dumb and ultimately 3rd rate Gigabyte.
The sad thing is that Gigabyte isn't all that much cheaper than others, except in quality.
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SFNR1 - Thursday, April 21, 2016 - link
Nice Review, but WHY always PNG for the product photos?aznronin - Thursday, April 21, 2016 - link
Probably because they include graphical text elements, even though its only a minor part of the image PNG will keep them looking sharper than jpeg. As long as they aren't using PNG 24bit it shouldn't be a huge hit on image size either.jasonelmore - Thursday, April 21, 2016 - link
text and transparent backgroundsRaistlinZ - Thursday, April 21, 2016 - link
What's wrong with PNG?SFNR1 - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
The filesize? This is from his other article: http://images.anandtech.com/doci/10236/MSI%20Z170A... . 5 MB? Ok, transparency is a point, didn't see that.bernstein - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
it's not a problem of png, it's a problem it the editor... the example png can easily be reduced to 512KB without any visual loss, it's just that most editors don't have these features built-in (reduction of colors, use of optipng+zopflipng)slyphnier - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
is there any issue with PNG ?PNG is internet standard images, unofficial replacement to gif
it have proper transparancy that jpg/jpeg not have, basically its lossless format
and i dont think any image viewer having issue with it either ... so not sure why someone complain PNG images?
DanNeely - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
PNG photos are normally huge compared to JPEGs. Their advantages are for text (paying size for lossless to make the text artifact free) or for images with large areas that are single color and thus compress really well (eg non gradient covered screenshots).DanNeely - Thursday, April 21, 2016 - link
Speaking of custom IO cards, very expensive machinery, and boards with legacy IO connectors; have boards with an ISA slot (80s/90s era expansion card) finally gone the way of the Dodo? At least as recently as the Core 2 era I know there was at least one vendor selling boards with a slot for one to people who needed to keep elderly hardware alive.DigitalFreak - Thursday, April 21, 2016 - link
DFI makes a Haswell motherboard with ISA slots.Samus - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
Ahh DFI, they sealed their fate in the consumer market with the Lanparty line, probably the most unreliable mainstream motherboards ever. It's hard to believe the same company made the legendary Infinity motherboards. Hopefully Supermicro doesn't do the same as they begin to enter the mainstream desktop board market...jabber - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
Hmmm not how I remember it at the time. Basically if you didn't have a 939 DFI SLi board in your system you just weren't serious. My 939 Lanparty board gave superb service for several years with a Opteron 180, 2GB DDR500, 2 x 7900GTX and a Raptor. Sure they were quirky to configure to get the best out of them but I don't remember them being unreliable, even as a Lanparty Forum member. Still it was 10 years ago.Samus - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
Depends which board you had. If you remember, the short lived nForce chipset through its 430 and 460 incarnations gave DFI a bad rap for reliability. The boards worked fine until they didn't. Most of the reviews were great initially until 2-3 years went by and the boards all started failing. It wasn't a DFI issue but DFI no doubt made more nForce boards than anybody for overclocking and the long term reliability of those chipset was terrible.The nForce4 goes down in history as one of the highest performing yet most unstable platforms ever. God forbid you actually loaded the nVidia disk controller drivers instead of using the Microsoft default. Except perhaps the Intel 815e and VIA southbridges, those were pretty terrible too.
Some chipsets get a bad rap for no reason though, even recalled ones like the Intel P67. I still have the early non-Ivy Bridge compatible version on an Intel board no less and it's been stable in my HTPC for 5 years running daily...it must have 50,000 hours on it by now.
DanNeely - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
Everyone's NF4 boards died like crazy though. That doesn't explain why some makers like DFI were destroyed by nVidia's fiasco, while the ones who're still around managed to avoid any reputational damage from it.jabber - Saturday, April 23, 2016 - link
I never had an issue with the nVidia SATA drivers. The only thing that screwed the build was the nVidia Network monitoring/security drivers. I used to help buddies with poor NF4 setups by asking first if they installed that. Yes they had. You only ever tried installing that crap once.danjw - Thursday, April 21, 2016 - link
In the chipset chart you have: "Supports Intel Xeon E5-1200 v5 CPUs" that should be "E3-1200 v5".sivaplus - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
Indeed. Just because I saw E5-12... I knew there is something fishy here :). Still E5-14xx support would have been nice at this price pointLord 666 - Thursday, April 21, 2016 - link
So frustrating to see the ram maxed out at 64gb. The x99 platform maxes out at 128gb. Hoping a x99 successor arrives supporting skylake CPUskgardas - Thursday, April 21, 2016 - link
Indeed, but this is Intel marketing. For more RAM on Xeon you need to go to D/E5 territory...SFNR1 - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
Before the v5, there was a limit of 32GB so 64GB is a huge improvement here (finally), but yes, it's a pain. >ou would have to buy a Xeon E5 1x http://ark.intel.com/compare/82767,82766,82765,827... . That pricebump is insane.Samus - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
C232 didn't support vPro? Wow, talk about lack of foresight by Intel...they've been trying to push that as a corporate platform basically since Sandybridge and it wasn't even supported on their server platform?SFNR1 - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
HP uses iLO in their E3 and Intel has the RMM4 for that.Samus - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
The problem with iLO is all the entry level servers (non-E5) have iLO light which is kind of a management joke. Most of the remote management tools require iLO advanced which can be purchased as a license for some servers but not the ML110 because the eprom isn't large enough for the software. Even then, and this is hard for me to admit because in an HP guy, Dell's iDRAC is all around better, and free, like vPro. I'm just surprised vPro was never available on C232. Generally I use remoteKVM for management so this is all moot unless I actually need to hard power off equipment remotely and since I don't manage rack servers across the country that has never come up. Only once in my career have I had to jump in the car and drive somewhere to power a server back on because I accidentally shut it down lol.rtho782 - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
I'd like to see a comparison of SLI performance between this, with the PLX switch, and other boards that split x8/x8.I know this has been done before but nothing with modern CPUs etc.
Vidmo - Friday, April 22, 2016 - link
You should also take a look at the Supermicro X11SAT-F as its a much better board than this one or even the Gigabyte X170-Extreme ECC.http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeo...
snakyjake - Sunday, April 24, 2016 - link
Will using software RAID with the dual SATA controllers be an advantage, disadvantage, or no affect?milkod2001 - Monday, April 25, 2016 - link
Are there any mini atx server boards with build in 14nm Atoms/Celerons/Pentium, ECC support for NAS units out there?atlantico - Friday, April 29, 2016 - link
Gigabyte, always the last on my list for components. Ugly mobos, terribad BIOS and "ATi CrossfireX support" printed on the mobo. Why not the 3DFX SLI? Dumb and ultimately 3rd rate Gigabyte.The sad thing is that Gigabyte isn't all that much cheaper than others, except in quality.