Netflix app running in a Xbox is obviously quite a bit more secured from decryption key captures compared to something running in a virtualised Windows 10 on top of some hypervisor completely controlled by owner of the machine.
I don't see how that's really an issue. There's already a Netflix app for Windows 10. My point was that Netflix could merge the two apps into a shared code app (and they likely already do share a lot of it)
If you have GPU access, like all games do, you're not really "secure" other than being able to only run signed code. Which, since they're restricting it to only store approved apps, is the idea I guess.
In Windows, video memory is inaccessible outside of the process, so accessing any secure content from a video stream would first require access to the process itself. If the process is securely sandboxed, then you do not have GPU access. Unless you meant something else?
They're not restricting UWP to be store signed. It's just an AppX package and can be installed just like an MSI or EXE can now. It's just that it doesn't interact with the registry, is sandboxed and can be uninstalled cleanly. Steam could in theory distribute these packages, it's just they'd be Windows 10 only.
I wonder if the Xbox One will get full Store access. If so, it might just have become the best solution for students in need of a work + gaming machine through Office UWAs. Or just for companies in need of cheap office computers.
I've read that UWP apps will be able to be sold through "other stores" via quotes from other talks at Build. That seems like a HUGE step forward since this enables them to be sold through Steam.
How does selling UWP apps through Valve make any sense whatsoever? They should support selling keys via other means (e.g. amazon, greenman, anything) and that's it.
Valve is the main target of this business (and the most scared competitors).
I, as a customer, would like to see some competition in the field as Valve's apple level shameless 30% cut from each games sold on top of EULA that goes vs laws in many countries (they got spanked in Australia for that) looks pretty bad.
Because ideally they want all software on Windows to be converted to UWP. It's a relatively straightforward port and gives a better experience to Windows users. It's a long term goal mind you.
Better for some strange measurement. UWP is dumbed down applications, with hidden stuff & files, which are a pain to back/manage. Acceptable to ppl who just want magic
"Xbox will also be gaining some other new features with the update, including the ability to use Cortana for voice recognition. Right now the Xbox supports basic commands over voice, such as Xbox Pause, but Cortana should enable a much broader interaction with natural language. Just like on Windows, you would be able to ask Cortana to watch Fuller House on Netflix, rather than the step by step process required now."
LOL, yeah that was funny but not the same. People abuse the crap out of the AI and it learned accordingly. This is just voice recognition to tell your xbox to play a cheesy TV show...
I travel a lot and for me it will be nice to see if they ever plan to make the Windows Xbox app able to play my games from my main Xbox console at home for when I am on the road.
I'm glad the article mentioned the need to back up and move games. It's not too big a deal for small tablet style "apps", but for gigantic games? Yeah, we need that...
I'm curious about the Xbox being able to run Windows programs...potentially it seems like the Xbox could be turned into a sort of PC...I mean Edge? Office? It MIGHT be able to be used as a locked down PC, good for parents...maybe. (Realistically it would need a user accessible file system to be good for that though.)
He didn't actually say that SLI and Crossfire support is coming soon to UWP, he said it already supports multi GPU. It's a developer decision to use it.
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zepi - Wednesday, March 30, 2016 - link
I wonder how UWP apps really handle the security.Netflix app running in a Xbox is obviously quite a bit more secured from decryption key captures compared to something running in a virtualised Windows 10 on top of some hypervisor completely controlled by owner of the machine.
Brett Howse - Wednesday, March 30, 2016 - link
I don't see how that's really an issue. There's already a Netflix app for Windows 10. My point was that Netflix could merge the two apps into a shared code app (and they likely already do share a lot of it)Wolfpup - Thursday, March 31, 2016 - link
I'm interested to see how this goes...it should also mean you can basically write a program and have it run on Windows Mobile too...Michael Bay - Thursday, March 31, 2016 - link
It`s kind of the whole point with UWP, yes.Frenetic Pony - Wednesday, March 30, 2016 - link
If you have GPU access, like all games do, you're not really "secure" other than being able to only run signed code. Which, since they're restricting it to only store approved apps, is the idea I guess.inighthawki - Wednesday, March 30, 2016 - link
In Windows, video memory is inaccessible outside of the process, so accessing any secure content from a video stream would first require access to the process itself. If the process is securely sandboxed, then you do not have GPU access. Unless you meant something else?JamesU - Wednesday, April 6, 2016 - link
They're not restricting UWP to be store signed. It's just an AppX package and can be installed just like an MSI or EXE can now. It's just that it doesn't interact with the registry, is sandboxed and can be uninstalled cleanly. Steam could in theory distribute these packages, it's just they'd be Windows 10 only.Valantar - Wednesday, March 30, 2016 - link
I wonder if the Xbox One will get full Store access. If so, it might just have become the best solution for students in need of a work + gaming machine through Office UWAs. Or just for companies in need of cheap office computers.Michael Bay - Thursday, March 31, 2016 - link
I doubt they`ll allow that degree of cannibalization.Ikefu - Wednesday, March 30, 2016 - link
I've read that UWP apps will be able to be sold through "other stores" via quotes from other talks at Build. That seems like a HUGE step forward since this enables them to be sold through Steam.medi03 - Thursday, March 31, 2016 - link
How does selling UWP apps through Valve make any sense whatsoever?They should support selling keys via other means (e.g. amazon, greenman, anything) and that's it.
Valve is the main target of this business (and the most scared competitors).
I, as a customer, would like to see some competition in the field as Valve's apple level shameless 30% cut from each games sold on top of EULA that goes vs laws in many countries (they got spanked in Australia for that) looks pretty bad.
JamesU - Wednesday, April 6, 2016 - link
Because ideally they want all software on Windows to be converted to UWP. It's a relatively straightforward port and gives a better experience to Windows users. It's a long term goal mind you.RobATiOyP - Saturday, April 9, 2016 - link
Better for some strange measurement. UWP is dumbed down applications, with hidden stuff & files, which are a pain to back/manage. Acceptable to ppl who just want magic06GTOSC - Wednesday, March 30, 2016 - link
"Xbox will also be gaining some other new features with the update, including the ability to use Cortana for voice recognition. Right now the Xbox supports basic commands over voice, such as Xbox Pause, but Cortana should enable a much broader interaction with natural language. Just like on Windows, you would be able to ask Cortana to watch Fuller House on Netflix, rather than the step by step process required now."http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/m...
What could go wrong?
Manch - Thursday, March 31, 2016 - link
LOL, yeah that was funny but not the same. People abuse the crap out of the AI and it learned accordingly. This is just voice recognition to tell your xbox to play a cheesy TV show...Michael Bay - Thursday, March 31, 2016 - link
>implying bot did anything wrongIt learned the truth in literally a day. Engineers should be awarded.
WeMad - Thursday, March 31, 2016 - link
I travel a lot and for me it will be nice to see if they ever plan to make the Windows Xbox app able to play my games from my main Xbox console at home for when I am on the road.Wolfpup - Thursday, March 31, 2016 - link
I'm glad the article mentioned the need to back up and move games. It's not too big a deal for small tablet style "apps", but for gigantic games? Yeah, we need that...I'm curious about the Xbox being able to run Windows programs...potentially it seems like the Xbox could be turned into a sort of PC...I mean Edge? Office? It MIGHT be able to be used as a locked down PC, good for parents...maybe. (Realistically it would need a user accessible file system to be good for that though.)
SeanJ76 - Tuesday, April 5, 2016 - link
Windows 10 sucks dick, so glad I didn't upgrade!Nvidia still doesn't have a working Sli driver for Windows 10 9 months later.....
TreeDude62 - Wednesday, April 6, 2016 - link
Completely untrue. SLI and CrossFire work just fine in 10.JamesU - Wednesday, April 6, 2016 - link
He didn't actually say that SLI and Crossfire support is coming soon to UWP, he said it already supports multi GPU. It's a developer decision to use it.