Original Link: https://www.anandtech.com/show/235
THE 300A IS DEAD!
Screams the headline. The very next day we see;
NO, THE 300A LIVES!
Or:
ALL NEW CELERONS ARE BUS-LOCKED!
And then:
NO, INTEL IS NOT BUS-LOCKING!
The speed at which the web transmits information is both a boon and a bane. We know in an instant when important news is breaking, but the natural tendency for inaccuracy, when this information travels thru several sources, is magnified by the lightening speed of electronic transmission.
We find information posted at one web site from a "reliable" source, then surf to the next site and find diametrically opposing news, also from a "reliable" source. We read with interest e-mail from an alleged Intel employee only to return the next day and find that the mail has been pulled because this "source" fears retribution.
For those of us who love the challenge of taking the system to the brink, of squeezing out that last micron of performance, the 300A is, or was, the most exciting accident ever to happen to Geekdom. It is frustrating, and more than a little maddening, to not know what is going on.
Well, after a little research, a little logical deduction and, well, just plain guessing, I've come to two conclusions: The Slot One 300A is out of production, and the new Celerons are not bus-locked. These are my opinions, and I hope I'm right on the second point, and would dearly love to be wrong on the first.
Before we move on, I'll tell you that I did grab a 400A this week and had a chance to put it on the bench and give it a workout. More on that later, right now...
Is the Slot One 300A just a memory?
There are two things that tell me that it is. The first is supply, or actually lack of it. The CPU, at least in the retail flavor, has become damned hard to find. What were once 100 chip orders at one price have quickly become 50 chip orders at a higher price. I was still able to find processors this week, but they're commanding a hefty premium. Also, before it was a simple matter of telling my supplier, "Get me a hundred chips", and after a quick phone call, the order was on it's way.
That has become a dozen phone calls to scrape up 50 chips from multiple sources. Even the giant distributors such as Ingram Micro and Tech Data can no longer get inventory. But, since these guys buy in the thousands and tens of thousands, they are first to run dry. The smaller suppliers and retailers still have a few because they're not demanding such large purchases. So supply is definitely drying up.
Part two of the equation comes directly from Intel itself. While others are speculating and gobbling up reports from second and third hand sources, I headed over to the main source. I clipped this directly from Intels developer web site:
Product Change Notification
Nov 30, 1998:
First shipments of boxed Intel Celeron processors in PPGA package are scheduled to begin.
Dec 1998:
Boxed Intel Celeron processors ship in both S.E.P.P. and PPGA packages under separate product codes and s-specs
Q1 1999:
Intel plans to ship the majority of boxed Celeron processors in PPGA packages
Q2 1999:
The transition is scheduled to be completed in early Q2. All SKUs of boxed Celeron processors are planned to be 100% transitioned to the PPGA form factor.
This tells me that, at the very least, the boxed version is no longer being produced. After all, if they have clearly stated as early as November of last year, that the majority of Retail Celerons shipped in Q1, '99 would be the socket version, and that the Slot version would be completely phased out by Q2, why would they continue to manufacture it? The answer is, they wouldn't.
It is, however, possible that the OEM version of the slot 300A is still being made. I would assume that Intel would wish to aid the others in the Big Boys Fraternity to unload their existing inventory of Slot Celery motherboards. But, I've got a hunch that there is enough of this version in existing inventory to satisfy the need.
So, I have concluded that, sadly, the joy ride will soon be over.
What about this bus-locking thing?
We all know that Intel has been "Clock-locking" these CPUs for a while now. For the un-initiated, clock-locking sets the multiplier at a specific level which can not be altered. In the case of the 300A, this is 4.5 because the chip is supposed to run on a 66Mhz bus (4.5x66=300).
This limited our tweaking to changing the FSB, or Front Side Bus speed of the motherboard where our chip was planted. In the case of the Celery 300, this meant 100Mhz and, presto (in most cases) we suddenly had a 450Mhz CPU for the price of a few large pizzas!
A few weeks ago rumors began circulating that processors after a certain week, usually about 47 or 48, were also bus-locked. This would mean, if it were true, that we wouldn't be able to change anything and that overclocking would be effectively dead.
I've tested processors now thru week 51 and have seen no evidence of this at all. In point of fact, the 400A I tested this week was listed at another site as one that was definitely bus-locked and yet it was not.
I believe that, so far at least, what has happened is that garden-variety overclock failures are being reported as bus-locking. With the stiff competition to be first with "breaking news" among web sites, these reports are being instantly published without verification.
Until I get one on the bench that is bus-locked, I'm assuming that this rumor is just that; a rumor, and nothing more.
Now, a little about the Celery cooking process. Those of you have read previous Celery reports can feel free to skip this section, but I include it for complete and utter disclosure's sake.;-)
Sauteing the Celery.
I test each CPU under initial identical conditions prior to "burning in" my combos. I do an initial test run using the same Abit BH6, same RAM (single stick 64MB Micron, CAS3) and the same video card, a Trident 975, 4MB AGP. For those who are interested, this is a very fast 2D card that consistently scores better than 5 in Final Reality. Not very good in 3D, but for a business system, its a screaming bargain. I use an old 270MB Quantum hard drive (actually have 3 set up identically, so I can burn multiple combos at once). I use an old hard drive because I assume that these setups will be going in to a variety of situations with a variety of drives and that if itll work with this clunker, itll probably work anywhere.
I run a quick test at 450 using Business Winstone 97. Why such an old version, you might ask? Because Im not testing for performance, only stability. This works perfectly for that purpose. If it fails, I bump the core voltage up a notch until it passes. If the CPU wont do 450 or requires more than 2.2v core, I set it aside for later evaluation. After passing the first test on my evaluation board, I move the chip to the motherboard with which it will be mated.
I put each one through 6 full rounds of Winstone and 2 hours of Final Reality. By using these two tests, Im covering both the 2D business users and the 3D gamers. As an aside, for those who havent used it, Final Reality is not only a great test, it is visually stunning. One glitch at current voltage, and its bumped up a notch, until its completely stable. Because I believe that stability means having a little breathing room, I dont sell a chip at 450 if it requires more than 2.2v core to stabilize.
Thrashing the 400A
This week, despite my misgivings about the overclockability of the CPU, I just couldn't fight off the urge to grab a 400A and give it a workout. This was the Slot version (of course), OEM, COMPEQ, normal PCB color with a PCB date of 9847 and label code of 08511565 (Week 51). The sSPEC number on these CPUs is SL39Z. This chip is clock-locked at a multiplier of 6, (6x66=400).
The processor is visually identical to the 300A. The silicon is the same, the square substrate is the same and the PCB is the same. The only way to tell the difference is the white label on the back. I ran my tests with the following setup:
Windows 95 OSR2.1
Trusty test BH6, flashed to HN BIOS to support the processor
Single stick 64MB Samsung GH memory
Trident 975 4MB AGP video card
Junky old 270MB Quantum hard drive
(Side note on these drives: I have three of these old geezers that I use for testing
these setups and I can't tell you how much I've abused them and how many times I've
trashed them. But, they keep coming back for more, even at 75Mhz, 83Mhz and even 112Mhz!).
I put the chip thru a quick round of Business Winstone at the default of 400Mhz, just to insure basic functionality. No problems here.
I then set the FSB (motherboard speed) at 75Mhz with the core voltage set at default of 2. This produces a CPU speed of 450Mhz (6x75). She breezed thru 6 rounds of Winstone without a glitch. Okay, I thought, so what? A 300A with a good core would do exactly the same thing.
Cranked up the FSB to 83Mhz, again leaving the core at 2v. We're now at 500Mhz (6x83). She booted lickity-split right in to Windows. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't getting a little excited at this point! She went thru the first round of Winstone without incident, but crashed half way thru the second round. After a reboot, it locked up at the desktop.
Must be heat, I thought. So I pulled the "cartridge" heatsink/fan that I use open, and removed the tape covering the thermal transfer material. Slapped it back together and booted her back up, still at default voltage. After that the little puppy zipped right thru 6 more rounds of Winstone with nary an error.
Now, before we all start jumping for joy, I would point out that a 300A with a superior core will do exactly the same thing. I would also note that, although the CPU was fine at 500Mhz, this was done at 83Mhz FSB. This bus speed puts the PCI bus at 41.5Mhz, which is substantially overclocked, and the AGP bus at 55Mhz (2/3 of 83), which is underclocked. Some PCI peripherals simply won't handle this, and an AGP video card would not be operating up to it's full potential.
Okay, now for the real test. With heart pounding, and hands shaking, I set the bus at 100Mhz (6x100), 2v. Fired her up; black screen, not even a video signal. Upped the voltage to 2.1, same result. Upped the voltage to 2.2, still staring at a blank monitor with no video signal.
I moved the voltage up to 2.3 and finally, a little action. Very little. I was able to get a signal to the monitor and a brief glimpse of the video card logo, before she died. No beep, though. I disabled L2 cache and tried again, same result. Then I also disabled L1 cache, still same result.
I put the CPU outside for a little while at 35 to 40f. Brought it back in and got a beep this time, but then blank. It looks like the core, at least on this chip, is simply not of a quality high enough to run at 600Mhz without overheating very quickly. It is my opinion that this will be the case with most 400A's. Frankly I'd be surprised if more than 5% will run at 600Mhz without the aid of a Kryotech-type system.
However, I do have a Glacier 4500C that'll be coming in
sometime this week. This heatsink/fan combo is a 1.2 pound monster. Being
the stubborn Geek I am, I will be trying again!
On to this weeks results.
I received e-mail from several people after last week's report pointing out that my comparison of the success rate between the retail and OEM versions was more accurately a comparison between the Malay and Costa Rican versions of the Celery. This is an excellent point, and I had hoped to get some retail Costa's in this week to test but, alas, it was not to be.
I tested a total of 72 processors this week. I have, and wanted to test, quite a few more than that, but my shipment of BH6's was delayed by a day. Not a supplier problem, but a shipping problem. All chips were Malay retail "tray". This is the retail version packaged in ten-packs for use by system builders.
This was a very tasty crop of Celery! The first group was PCB week 9836, label code 98450025, "Clover" symbol. I cooked a total of 52 of these. I was all the way up to number 48 before I had one that would not do 450 at default voltage. Let me repeat that: 47 chips in a row at 450Mhz, 2v! Funny thing is, the 48th chip wouldn't do 450 at any voltage! Numbers 49 thru 52 also danced at 2v.
This makes this batch 51 out of 52 at 450Mhz running default voltage. A good number of these processors liked to party at 504 too. I have to admit, I got a little greedy and set one of the 504's aside for myself.:-) Can we safely say that this is a good week? I think so, but this is my opinion.
The other 20 were PCB week 9844, label code 98480238, "Clover" symbol. These were left over from last weeks shipments and are added in to the table with last weeks results. All 20 of these had no problem with 450, but two required a goose to 2.1v.
To-date I've tested a total of 294 Celerys. Of these, 172 were retail Malay, and 122 were OEM. Out of the retail Malay group, I had only one single failure and in excess of 90% tested positive for 450 at 2v.
Of the OEM chips, 15 were Malay versions with all doing 450Mhz. I don't know the voltage breakdown on these, because I wasn't tracking the information as closely when I tested them. These, as well as some of the OEM Costa's are not included in the table as it covers only the last 4 weeks.
The other 107 OEM CPU's were all Costa Rican, with about 88% able to do 450Mhz and a majority requiring a little goose in the core voltage.
And here it is. Your shopping list:
Label Code | # tested | PCB week | Symbol | Version | 2.0v | 2.1v | 2.2v | 2.3v | No Go |
08451303 | 27 | 9839 | Clover | OEM | 24/89% | 2/7% | 1/4% | 0 | 0 |
08450076 | 6 | 9838 | COMPEQ | OEM | 1/17% | 3/50% | 2/33% | 0 | 0 |
08450076 | 6 | 9838 | COMPEQ | OEM | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2/33% | 4/67% |
08461541 | 20 | 9841 | Clover | OEM | 6/30% | 5/25% | 5/25% | 2/10% | 2/10% |
08461541 | 10 | 9841 | Clover | OEM | 2/20% | 6/60% | 1/10% | 1/10% | 0 |
98391399 | 10 | 9823 | COMPEQ | Retail | 10/100% | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
98410558 | 3 | 9837 | Clover | Retail | 3/100% | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
98410558 | 2 | 9835 | Clover | Retail | 2/100% | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
98471558 | 15 | 9843 | COMPEQ | Retail | 14/93% | 1/7% | 0 | 0 | 0 |
98480238 | 50 | 9844 | Clover | Retail | 46/92% | 4/8% | 0 | 0 | 0 |
98430629 | 40 | 9836 | Clover | Retail | 35/88% | 4/10% | 1/2% | 0 | 0 |
98450025 | 52 | 9836 | Clover | Retail | 51/98% | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1/2% |
TOTALS | 241 | 194/80% | 25/11% | 10/4% | 5/2% | 7/3% |
NOTE: Label codes beginning with
"98" are Malay ,
codes beginning with "08" are Costa Rica.
Well, happy hunting!
Russ Stringham, Owner
CompuCheap