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Qualcomm Tech Summit, Day 2 Live Blog (Starts at 2pm ET)
by Ian Cutress on December 5, 2018 1:00 PM EST01:43PM EST - Here we are on day two of Qualcomm's Snapdragon Tech Summit, and today is going to be all about Snapdragon 855, the next generation smartphone SoC expected to power a large number of flagship devices in 2019. Follow our live blog for all the details. It starts at 9am HST, 2pm ET, 7pm UTC.
01:57PM EST - Doors just opened and I'm now sat down
01:59PM EST - On the crib sheet today is Snapdragon 855. I've already seen the CPU/GPU/DSP managers on site
02:01PM EST - Keynote for two hours, followed by a one-hour open Q&A
02:02PM EST - We had an interview with Cristiano Amon, President of Qualcomm, yesterday. He gave some interesting answers to our questions, I'll try and transcribe that this afternoon
02:04PM EST - Outside of the press area yesterday, they had these little Snapdragon 855 paperweights
02:05PM EST - Took the chip out. It looked real? I've been fooled by a Kirin plastic mockup before
02:06PM EST - Part of the keynote will be in Chinese. This is likely Pete Lau from OnePlus' part
02:09PM EST - Still waiting to start
02:13PM EST - Connectivity is going in and out. This might be the delay
02:14PM EST - Connectivity is going in and out. This might be the delay
02:17PM EST - Here we go
02:18PM EST - Alex Katouzian to the stage
02:18PM EST - Still in that t-shirt
02:19PM EST - Recapping the day before
02:20PM EST - Saying 110k views on this year's livestream, vs 20k last year
02:20PM EST - Shoutout to competitors, telling them to take detailed notes
02:20PM EST - A few partner presentations as well today
02:22PM EST - Pete Lau to the stage
02:22PM EST - 5 years of OnePlus, building on excellent reputation
02:23PM EST - First product was OnePlus One, SNapdragon 801, 1.5m users
02:23PM EST - Ever since, we've only had Qualcomm
02:23PM EST - Only company to make flagship android phones
02:24PM EST - Only intend to use 800-series Snapdragon
02:25PM EST - Only intend to use 800-series Snapdragon
02:25PM EST - Our software and hardware have been tweaked to use them
02:26PM EST - Bringing out the full power of Snapdragon
02:26PM EST - S855 was announced yesterday, the most powerful on earth
02:27PM EST - OnePlus flagship in 2019 will be the first S855 device. We will order a lot a chips
02:29PM EST - OnePlus revenue in 2017 doubled
02:29PM EST - OnePlus revenue in 2017 doubled
02:29PM EST - Top 5 worldwide, top 3 in europe
02:30PM EST - Started partnership with T-Mobile this year, launched OnePlus 6T
02:31PM EST - 700 people queued for the device, a record for T-mo, more than for iPhone
02:31PM EST - Global community is our driving force
02:32PM EST - 1m tech enthuisaists from 196 countries
02:32PM EST - young tech fanatics who never settle
02:32PM EST - 57m posts in OnePlus community
02:32PM EST - OnePlus on 5G, ready to embrace. Established first succcessful test in August 2018
02:33PM EST - Oneplus customers are early adopters
02:33PM EST - Oneplus working with EE to bring 5G to the UK
02:33PM EST - Announcing OnePlus will be strategic 5G research partnership with EE in 1H2019, will be first to 5G in Europe
02:33PM EST - Telstra will have 200 5G cells installed by end of year
02:33PM EST - HTC 5G Hub exclusive to Telstra for 1H2019
02:34PM EST - Keith Kressin, SVP Product Management Qualcomm to the stage
02:34PM EST - Talking about Snapdragon 855
02:34PM EST - Recapping Moore's Law
02:34PM EST - Every decade has a new form of wireless connectivity
02:34PM EST - Predicting 6G in a decade
02:35PM EST - 'Amon's Law' - every decade has a new generation of wireless technology
02:36PM EST - Going over 1G, 2G, 3G...
02:37PM EST - 3G was in 1999+
02:38PM EST - 3G saw first 1GHz Mobile SoC, Adreno, and higher resolution displays
02:38PM EST - 4G was in 2009+
02:38PM EST - 4G saw multi-core SoCs, 4K displays, Vulkan graphics, Gigabit LTE
02:39PM EST - Mobile industry took the lead in semiconductor process node
02:40PM EST - Apps flourished - whatsapp, gaming
02:40PM EST - new devices, like VR
02:40PM EST - Now 5G in 2019+
02:41PM EST - 5G will bring >5 Gbps peak, massive IoT, lo latency, AI, Cloud Edge Compute, Voice Assistants
02:41PM EST - The edge of the cloud is moving closer
02:41PM EST - Cameras are more advanced
02:41PM EST - process nodes are starting at 7nm and below
02:42PM EST - New applications to come
02:42PM EST - All enabled through the Snapdragon 855
02:43PM EST - New S855 platform is a step above
02:44PM EST - X24 modem for LTE
02:44PM EST - New Spectra 380 ISP
02:44PM EST - Moves software processing into hardware
02:44PM EST - Adreno 640 graphics
02:44PM EST - Leading perf/watt
02:44PM EST - Major leap in perf in Kryo 485
02:44PM EST - Biggest changes in Hexagon 690
02:44PM EST - Focused on AI
02:45PM EST - Durga Malladi to the stage to talk Connectivity
02:46PM EST - photos aren't uploading properly, sorry
02:46PM EST - The decade of multi-gigabit of wireless connectivity
02:46PM EST - 855 is first 5G mobile platform
02:46PM EST - For mmWave and sub-6 GHz
02:47PM EST - 2 Gbps LTE on X24
02:47PM EST - 7x CA
02:47PM EST - 20 LTE layers
02:47PM EST - Enables 90% of operators achieve multi-gigabit LTE
02:48PM EST - Chip is 7nm, but RF is 14nm
02:48PM EST - Wi-Fi 6 ready
02:48PM EST - 802.11ac
02:48PM EST - 802.11ax
02:49PM EST - 8x8 Sounding, tarket wakeup time, WPA3 security
02:49PM EST - Also 60 GHz Wi-Fi
02:49PM EST - 802.11ay
02:50PM EST - Up to 10 Gbps
02:51PM EST - Rethinking the smartphone arch for 5G
02:53PM EST - Levels of integration
02:53PM EST - Three antennas for 5G
02:54PM EST - enabling 4G/5G as well as mmWave and sub-6
02:54PM EST - (still trying to upload photos)
02:54PM EST - (text seems fine)
02:54PM EST - using QTM052 mmWave antenna modules
02:54PM EST - "What does 5G do for me when LTE does 2 Gbps?"
02:55PM EST - 5G will transform user experiences
02:55PM EST - 8K, downloads, gaming
02:55PM EST - increases the average data rate
02:56PM EST - Changing the network economics
02:56PM EST - Bundling devices into a single data plan
02:57PM EST - Taking cinnectivity for granted
02:57PM EST - connectivity*
02:57PM EST - millisecond latencies
02:59PM EST - Enables wireless tethering for cloud compute
03:01PM EST - 3G to 4G jump seemed big, but was relatively simple.
03:01PM EST - few operators, few vendors, few OEMs
03:01PM EST - For 5G, it's a lot bigger
03:02PM EST - global rollout, 20 oems, 20 operators
03:02PM EST - All 5G built on the 4G network
03:02PM EST - TDD and FDD
03:04PM EST - Travis Lanier to the stage
03:04PM EST - Talking CPU perf
03:05PM EST - People ise 5 year old laptops, people dont use 5yr old phones
03:05PM EST - 5 years changes a lot of app functionality
03:06PM EST - Search bar replaced by voice, now on smartphones
03:06PM EST - Balance of power and performance
03:07PM EST - S855, 7nm, custom-designed cores
03:08PM EST - advanced architecture
03:08PM EST - 45% faster CPU and 20% faster GPU than S845
03:09PM EST - Adreno 640, custom Qualcomm GPU, 20% faster, industry leader in perf/watt, lowest overhead, Vulkan 1.1 support
03:10PM EST - sustained gaming performance vs other 7nm devices
03:10PM EST - best* sustained perf
03:10PM EST - Introcuding Prime Core with CPU
03:11PM EST - Dedicated core with highest clock
03:11PM EST - 2.84 GHz on prime core
03:11PM EST - 3 x 2.42 GHz Perf cores
03:11PM EST - 4 x 1.80 GHz efficiency cores
03:12PM EST - largest perf increase in snapdragon in CPU
03:12PM EST - fastest processor on the apps people care about
03:13PM EST - Hexagon DSP, Powerful combination of DSP and AI
03:14PM EST - Doubled vector extension units in DSP
03:15PM EST - 1.2x scalar perf
03:15PM EST - New tensor accelerator for AI
03:15PM EST - for matrix-mul and non-linear
03:15PM EST - Do a full tensor calcuation rather than splitting into vectors
03:16PM EST - S855 = 45% Kryo CPU perf increase, 20% GPU increase, new Tensor Accelerator
03:16PM EST - Gary Brotman to the stage
03:17PM EST - Talking AI
03:19PM EST - discussing brains
03:19PM EST - (sorry, photo issues again)
03:20PM EST - modelling the chip after the brain: all the cores working together
03:21PM EST - evolving smartphone intelligence
03:21PM EST - Adreno 640 has 50% more FP32 and FP16 ALUs
03:22PM EST - Hexagon supports INT8 and mixed precision. New Tensor accelerator, 4x vector extensions
03:22PM EST - Kryo 485 supports for dot product instructions and FP32/INT8
03:22PM EST - Every core has been optimized for AI
03:22PM EST - Backbone of 4th Gen AI engine
03:23PM EST - More than just simple cores
03:23PM EST - Adding new NN types over weeks and months
03:24PM EST - 7+ TOPS
03:24PM EST - 3x S845 perf in AI, and double the competition
03:26PM EST - Google to the stage to talk about Google Lens and Augmented Reality to use the AI Engine
03:26PM EST - Google Lens helps users understand the world around
03:27PM EST - Lens help when words fail
03:27PM EST - Uses computer vision
03:27PM EST - AI Engine reduces latency, accuracy, scalability
03:27PM EST - enhances accuracy/scalability*
03:28PM EST - First use case was text recognition
03:30PM EST - AR auto complete
03:30PM EST - 1/3 less power for text recognition
03:31PM EST - pre-optimized algorithms from non-google app developers
03:31PM EST - Support for user experiences
03:35PM EST - more demos
03:36PM EST - super resolution of images for better resolution, mukti image processing
03:38PM EST - Use CV to bring clarity to night time pictures. Enabled out of the box
03:40PM EST - key headlines on AI engine: 7+ TOPS, 3x perf over S845
03:40PM EST - an AI powerhouse
03:40PM EST - Now camera and imaging
03:40PM EST - Judd Heape
03:42PM EST - Cameras on smartphones now rival DSLRs, and offer more features
03:44PM EST - Color pipelines with CV and AIE
03:45PM EST - Moving the Computer Vision and computational photography into the hardware ISP.
03:45PM EST - World's first CV based ISP in the Spectra 380
03:45PM EST - Gives extreme speed boost
03:45PM EST - Up to 4x power savings
03:46PM EST - Now that they are in hardware, can do depth sensing at 60 fps
03:46PM EST - First 4K HDR with Portrait mode
03:47PM EST - Can also do real-time object segmentation placement
03:47PM EST - Enabled by the hardware in the CV ISP
03:48PM EST - It means that the AIE can do other things now the CV ISP is in a different part of the hardware
03:48PM EST - Static video manipulation
03:49PM EST - These are targets
03:49PM EST - 2x better power for 6DoF body tracking, 4x object tracking, 4x object detection
03:49PM EST - All of this info needs to be saved
03:49PM EST - Legacy has been under JPEC
03:50PM EST - JPEG
03:50PM EST - good for still images
03:50PM EST - simple metadata
03:50PM EST - But it didn't allow for info about CV, HDR, video
03:50PM EST - So new image format
03:50PM EST - S855 supports HEIF
03:50PM EST - accelerated for encode and decode
03:51PM EST - Most competitors are doing it to reduce file size
03:51PM EST - But it's so much more
03:51PM EST - All S855 devices will be HEIF capable
03:52PM EST - save depth map for post processing, CV data for post processing, burst photos, etc
03:52PM EST - Can put photo + video in same container
03:53PM EST - second gen 4K HDR capture
03:54PM EST - One OEM will bring HDR10+ to market in 2019
03:55PM EST - Also power savings in 4K video
03:55PM EST - Qualcomm is obsessed with power
03:56PM EST - 4K60 HDR in Portrait, and 3x lower power than 4K30 on Snapdragon 800
03:56PM EST - 30% lower power than S845
03:56PM EST - (no mention of process node...)
03:57PM EST - Now XR on Snapdragon
03:57PM EST - Phones are the defacto entertainment device
03:59PM EST - $140b overall gaming industry, mobile is 51% of it
04:00PM EST - Snapdragon 845, four partners with gaming platforms
04:00PM EST - 160+ designs on S845
04:01PM EST - 586 million mobile gamers in China today
04:02PM EST - Making leaps in gaming with Snapdragon
04:02PM EST - Leilani DeLeon, Director Mobile Gaming and XR Product
04:03PM EST - Games bring joy
04:03PM EST - Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite Gaming
04:04PM EST - As a gamer you want a competitive edge and play longer
04:04PM EST - Also, win
04:04PM EST - You will win with S855
04:04PM EST - Adreno 640 is a powerhouse
04:04PM EST - Support for Vulkan 1.1
04:04PM EST - 20% lower power than OpenGL ES
04:05PM EST - Physically Based Rendering
04:05PM EST - >PBR gives 20% performance increase?
04:06PM EST - Most games today are in SDR
04:06PM EST - S855 supports true HDR gaming due to rendering pipeline and display
04:06PM EST - 10-bit color depth, Rec 2020
04:06PM EST - Cinematic post processing
04:07PM EST - Better bandwidth compression and shader processing
04:07PM EST - Game Jank Reducer
04:07PM EST - Game Anti-Cheat Extensions
04:07PM EST - Game Q-Sync
04:09PM EST - During peak internet hours, half of all internet traffic goes to Netflix and YouTube
04:11PM EST - Cinema Experience Advanced Movie Features
04:11PM EST - HDR10+, Dolby Vision
04:11PM EST - Super Smooth 120 fos viewing (frame interpolation)
04:11PM EST - Ultrasharp XR Video in 8K 360
04:12PM EST - Qualcomm aptX adaptive
04:12PM EST - Qualcomm TrueWireless Stereo Plus
04:13PM EST - Hardware accelerated H.265 and VP9
04:14PM EST - 7x power savings in Youtube VP9 playback
04:14PM EST - Defining the next era of entertainment
04:16PM EST - Explaining standalone XR
04:16PM EST - Transforming the environment for a fluid experience due to 4th Gen AIE
04:18PM EST - (somehow the last few images are lost in the ether, sorry)
04:18PM EST - Using 5G and Camera to stream livestream event to someone's VR headset
04:18PM EST - Interactive live event 360-degree streaming
04:20PM EST - video for NextVR
04:20PM EST - world's largest broadcaster of VR content
04:21PM EST - Maps the venue in 3D
04:21PM EST - Realism is critical to presence
04:22PM EST - Requires resolution and bandwidth
04:22PM EST - (and latency, surely)
04:22PM EST - Currently 8 Mbps on 4G
04:22PM EST - 5G allows 100 Mbps
04:22PM EST - minimum
04:23PM EST - 5G allows for higher resolution
04:24PM EST - Freedom for 6 degrees of freedom
04:24PM EST - Augmented Reality: sports on the table
04:25PM EST - Volumetric display pipeline
04:25PM EST - Also contextual immersion
04:28PM EST - Now the summary
04:28PM EST - Leading perf/watt graphics
04:28PM EST - 3D Sonic Sensor
04:28PM EST - Most AI processing
04:28PM EST - 4th Gen AI Engine, software and libraries are ready
04:28PM EST - 45% faster Kryo
04:29PM EST - CV-ISP moved to hardware
04:29PM EST - HDR10+ and 4K HDR video with Portrait
04:29PM EST - HEIF Capture
04:29PM EST - Vulkan 1.1 and PBR
04:30PM EST - True HDR Gaming
04:30PM EST - Expect equal or greater success with 855
04:33PM EST - Q&A Time
04:38PM EST - Q ) Can X50 can be implemented with 855 ? A) It's a pairing.
04:39PM EST - Q ) Tensor is part of DSP rather than discrete NPU - why? A) Positioned as part of the hexagon family, but it's a dedicated core.
04:39PM EST - Q) Justification for the Prime Core - even though the clock speeds are perf are lower than S845, there's still a perf increase. A: Perf increase is mostly IPC. Prime core is a balance between pwoer and efficiency
04:39PM EST - Q) Any update about Quick Charge? A) Continue to support QC4+.
04:40PM EST - Q) What's next for computational photography? A) Trend is more cameras and more resolution. Handle cameras and depth cameras. Hardware is coming to support Time-of-flight. Our platform is scalable.
04:42PM EST - Q) Can the Tensor Core work on different data to the vector cores simultaneously? A) Yes
04:42PM EST - Q) Is the Prime core on a seperate power plane to the Performance cores? A) No - different frequency, same power plane.
04:45PM EST - Q) 5G of X50+S855 - standalone modems? A) Yes we have interests. No announcements today. X50 is the first member of a family. Some of which will be Standalone. Qualcomm will be ready.
04:52PM EST - Q) As an OEM, I have the option to not have the X50. If I do choose the X50, what's the impact on power. A) Remember 4G is better today than the launch of 4G. With simultaneous 4G and 5G, there are large number of ways that data are processed, depends on the mode operation. Can separate contorl traffic and data traffic. Expect power consumption will be tested as we head to commercialisation. But the starting point with 5G is better than 4G.
04:53PM EST - Q) How is the ISP being formed as we move to more cameras? A) Future devices will support more and more concurrent. There's a different between connectivity and concurrency. No ISP can support 3+ cameras at once, and tricks are used to support more than 3. But hardware is coming.
04:56PM EST - Q) With the CPU cores, can they powered up indivudally? Yes
04:57PM EST - Q) When you save 7TOPs, which kind of OPs? 8-bit INT Tensor Operations
05:01PM EST - Q) QC said that phones will have multiple front ends, how is power managed? A) Not really multiple front ends. Just multiple antennas. In the end all these radios, they all go through the same sub-systems. Some parts might be powered down if they're not needed for particular radios, but everything is optimized for power. We offer a turnkey solution.
05:02PM EST - That's a wrap. Time for lunch, then some demos