I have bought some MSI products in the past and have generally been happy with them. I'd like to see their Twin Frozr video card fans be more durable or at least have a model that has serious 24/7 fans.
I really do like their mobo's I'm not totally sold on the Dragon logo on all of it, but I think the clean-ness and color schemes are some of the best.
I will echo that the MSI update software for mobos is one of my favorites. I actually cut back on buying ASUS boards because I had such a pain in the ass downloading drivers from their site. MSI's video card software add-ons are really good (Afterburner and their OC mode tool).
Warranty and support is important to me, which is why I often overlook ASrock products. The other reason I overlook their products is a less than polished product back in the socket A days. I guess I am a grudge holder or their products haven't been compelling enough compared to the other vendors.
Killer NIC is the reason I buy MSI mobo, for once in my life full speed torrent cause zero impact to my latency in Dota 2. Love the dragon logo than no logo.
I have seen multiple accounts of the Killer NIC causing BSOD when mass torrenting, and I'm in that boat. I've also played around with it enough to know that the drivers break easily.
1. They don't need to saying "gaming" in response to every question.
2. They need to have an adult lineup as extensive as the gaming stuff. Their Krait mobo is beautiful with the black/white color scheme but it is on the low end of the range. A Krait style 980 would be beautiful and would sell well to people over the age of 15 (people with disposable income).
With ya DooDoo. Just a bit over the top, design-wise. The laptops are definitely moving the right direction aesthetically but the mother boards are just too 'busy' IMHO. In a plexiglass, transparent and well 'controlled' cable mangement...I suppose the colors and design would 'pop' at a science fair but like my washer and dryer....the MoBo lives in a closet and no one gets to 'see' it but you if you're the builder. My wife and I's washer went after 15 years last summer --- the dryer of the same age was making a lot of noise. I happened to be walking through Best Buy during the same time and the 'scratch n dent' are had a nice stainless (gas) dryer on sale. Originally $1299, knocked down to $999 (last year's model). The one I was looking at was labeled 'returned, cosmetic' It took the third trip with my wife to BB to spot the damage. A quarter (coin) sized dent on the left, unexposed 'side' of the stainless/brushed steel finish. Easily seen with the 'right light' shining, yet impossible to EVER be seen in ANY in home set up (looking at dryer , it's on the left)!!! The price = $324.99. ½ the price of the best sale I could find on a gas dryer of simple (yet large capacity) build quality. Not one of the 'smart' machines that run into the $1,200+ price range. Why? Who's checking out your washer and dryer? It's a mechanical and simple machine. The more you add, the better chances of failure and expensive fixes down the road. Pretty doesn't equal 'good', 'great' or take the product to the next level in quality because of its design....unless it's maybe a JA Henkel knife set, a Breitling compared to a Timex or a tailor fit suit from Nordstrom vs. a 3 for 1 deal at JoeABanks;) That said, the SLI config, docking station and moving to external PCIe graphic, storage and external display, Ethernet, & I/O options in the office or 'home' while maintaining some semblance of portability and usability away from 110v. I'm ambidextrous and use both Windows and OS X. I really like Thunderbolt and it's possibilities down the road. To date, I've had great luck with the two TBolt docks I've used on a 2012 and updated '14 -- paper of 15" rMBPs and it's the best near three years in computing I've enjoyed in the past thirty (I'm 44 this year and started on DOS in high school on an Apple IIe toting my 'HDD' with me to and from class. A box of 4/5/600KB 5 ¼" floppies ;). Can't remember their exact capacity but WOW, what a difference the 3.5", 1.44MB 'hard' floppy made for 'portability' lol. Then we got the HDD built in. Now we're working with PCIe SSD storage that works many hundred if not thousands of times 'quicker' (read and write), 'bigger' (capacity), and reliability And I feel young! Lol. I didn't work on a 286 until my undergrad, a 486 (w/turbo!) during my master studies. I've still got the latter and if ANYone has a chance to use a floppy today, give it a shot. Just accessing an 800K JPEG is an exercise in patience lol And today we're shooting RAW files with 25-50-->100x the size of that JPEG, with the ability to do a massive batch file process in seconds. All expected in technology, Moore's Law and all BUT, a couple of the 'ideas' or functions of yesterday are missed. Ala the mech keyboard. That's. Cool. MSI would certainly benefit by toning down its flamboyance in design, especially internal components at the expense they're charging IMHO would be better spent in an extra pair of external SATA, TBolt, or USB 3 ports. They're definitely on to something with the keyboard, the dock and rethinking the laptops ability to 'game' on the go --- but then again, it's got to be a tough prospect selling a $2,500+ laptop to a 17 year old. Especially when that buys you the latest two consoles, peripherals and a few games WITH a decent Ultrabook or tablet and a smartphone! And this coming from the owner of a pair of rMBPs that were a bit more than that. I'm not a huge gamer though. I enjoy my flight sims but we use the gear for field editing of motion and audio. Tabs for our kneeboards while flying either our twin BeechCraft of Otter in Alaska (I've been flying 26 years now and we operate an air taxi service along side the production company...and been lucky enough to charter and produce with folks from Discovery, NatGeo, Smithsonian and several of their subsidiaries). We also work with the FAA testing and flying with ADSB and TCAS systems in the puddle jumpers with iPads. Pretty amazing how flying for me, even the high performance (jet) airplanes, we've eliminated a hundred pounds from the plane with these guys. Up to date Jep charts, plates, weather and traffic conditions. NFZs, fuel and diversion airports, filing the flight plan to '3D terrain' following that's very much 'like' the games my sons are playing on Xbox, PlayStation, Wii and the PC/Mac. ADSB is incredible in such a vast state with unpredictable weather, terrain and traffic. Being a boutique PC builder, MSI is the one that's held true to their product and hasn't sold out to the the big OEMs, ala Alienware/Dell. Congrats to them. IPS, HiDPI displays and excellent, work station class gamut/calibrated off the line displays is what I'd like to see next. Hopefully with Win10, developers of Windows and the entire consortium' can meet and discuss how to implement pixel doubling the UI or GUI while maintaining canvas resolutions while working in video, photos, audio, CAD, animation or high precision creative as OS X has managed to do with third parties like Adobe. I was a first adopter of the 2012 rMBP and while the first six months were interesting for sure, it was amazing to see the developers and Apple themselves iron the bugs out of the OS, help developers with their ability to scale with XCode, and the incredible speed third party developers DID update their apps to support HiDPI. IMHO, the 1 of 2 of the 'biggest' improvements to internally take place in computing in the last decade (excluding external factors; broadband, LTE, and non OS X programming and software --- or Apple's continued innovation of its core apps and software that aren't 'bloat' but actual, powerful and incredibly intuitive software with a UI even my mother can understand and edit her photos and videos with ease!). The HiDPI display on the iPhone 4, iPad 3/4 and the rMBPs ....now taken to a new extreme, the iMac 5k is an absolute stunning achievement for Apple, as they built the timing chip to keep those pixels in sync. Nearly 15mil pixels DOES allow the entire 4K or UltraHD canvas to be represented 1:1 pixels, while the UI and touch targets are identical to a 1920, 720 or 480p resolution you've chosen as the UI initially BTW, it's about thirty months since I bought the rMBP 2.7/16GB RAM/768GB SSD (pre PCIe SSD but still incredibly quick) with Apple Care. Kinda bummed I spent the extra $252 on A/C. It's. Rock. Solid. No 'ghosting', no dead pixels (a helluva accomplishment with over 5,000,000 the it first time out!), and it's used daily...six days a week it's on and being used sometimes 18 hours in a day, sometimes six but always from powered down to up, extreme conditions and various altitudes, temps, humidity and 'users' Works as well (better now that I've found and purchased Paragon:-)) as she did the day I bought her and the updated Haswell with a TB PCIe in the 2014 rMBP we just bought six months ago, along with our 2013, delivered in '14 replacement Mac Pro to the 2008 8 core workhorse have both managed to blow my mind even more. Updating a 6, 7, or 800MB program or a 4GB HiDef flick, XCode DL or the OS updates....over 20GB of writing are mind blowingly FAST!
I'd like to see MSI do what Apple's managed to do with their laptops in form, function and functionality. With their no frills Windows install (no trials, BS crapware or registry nightmares to get rid of...yet awesome access to BIOS, it's over clocked software and specific tools built to optimize itself and not Yahoo, Bing or McAfee/Norton and or Office (MS) 'trial' you can't get rid of without reinstalling and imaging your drive), the mechanical keyboard AND this dock --- an idea I'd really like to see Apple either pursue or bless third party developers to 'build' out the TBolt's incredible abilities. If we see the proposed 40Gb/s bandwidth doubling with the third generation in later versions of Broadwell or Skylake (Intel) --- external, high end GPUs, fast NAS, storage and backup arrays and options, fast transfers, reliable storage and incredible time saving horsepower in a portable factor of form...MSI should be able to hit that five pound mark and equal the build quality and reliability of the rMBP; my absolute favorite computer on today's market (I love PCs, own three and have yet to find one with a working trackpad! {working = try a MacBook Pro if you've never, you'll see exactly what I mean} and I've tried Lenovo Dell, and currently own the HP 2in1 13" Haswell core i5/256 SSD and it's incredible to have a laptop I can run Adobe's suite on as a tablet! As well as the MS Surf Pro 3 and a Dell Quadro workstation for a pair of proprietary and windows only programs). The latter, a near $4k workstation that ROCKS with 32GB of RAM, a Quadro nVidia GPU, mSATA and twin solid state internal drives....I still HAVE to have a mouse to actually use it. What is the deal with Windows and trackpads? And how has OS X nailed it? Forever! Since the genesis it seems, Apple and Synaptic have figured it out. But that same part from Synaptic on WinXP, 2000/NT/Vista, 7 or 8 rig...regardless of OEM, the results are the same. After a couple minutes in the trackpad, it's weird but each machine I've got loses its connection to the T/P and it's futile trying to fix. Grab a $5 mouse, you're fine. Great job, and good luck MSI. Competition is good. MSI and MS, Lenovo and Razor are extremely cool companies with intriguing hardware. MS with the SP3 of course. Lenovo, I just really like their products and Razor staying true to itself and the 'power' it's manged to squeeze in to the same size as the rMBP leads me to that conclusion. As MSI is certainly as ...probably significantly MORE experienced in full on laptop design, that little Razor 15" is sweet too. Minimalist design, discreet, yet sharp and easily 'adult' (while concealing your inner kid) and its size. I'll conclude my novel by adding my two cents to the future of boutique development of the hardware to 'game' on. The first to that external GPU dock with an internal IrisPro iGPU and/or (similar to the rMBP) a discreet, on board AMD or nVidia GPU for 'on the go' speed and power like the MSI with PCIe storage, a four pound 15" form factor and HiDPI display with NO bloat will have a grand slam on their hands Secondly, they know what they're doing. Why not build out a 'dock' OS X. External GPUs is the answer for portability AND productivity!
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eanazag - Friday, January 23, 2015 - link
I have bought some MSI products in the past and have generally been happy with them. I'd like to see their Twin Frozr video card fans be more durable or at least have a model that has serious 24/7 fans.I really do like their mobo's I'm not totally sold on the Dragon logo on all of it, but I think the clean-ness and color schemes are some of the best.
I will echo that the MSI update software for mobos is one of my favorites. I actually cut back on buying ASUS boards because I had such a pain in the ass downloading drivers from their site. MSI's video card software add-ons are really good (Afterburner and their OC mode tool).
Warranty and support is important to me, which is why I often overlook ASrock products. The other reason I overlook their products is a less than polished product back in the socket A days. I guess I am a grudge holder or their products haven't been compelling enough compared to the other vendors.
etamin - Friday, January 23, 2015 - link
Lose the dragon logo and all instances of Killer NICs and I would come back to MSI.cuex - Saturday, January 24, 2015 - link
Killer NIC is the reason I buy MSI mobo, for once in my life full speed torrent cause zero impact to my latency in Dota 2. Love the dragon logo than no logo.etamin - Saturday, January 24, 2015 - link
I have seen multiple accounts of the Killer NIC causing BSOD when mass torrenting, and I'm in that boat. I've also played around with it enough to know that the drivers break easily.DooDoo22 - Friday, January 23, 2015 - link
1. They don't need to saying "gaming" in response to every question.2. They need to have an adult lineup as extensive as the gaming stuff. Their Krait mobo is beautiful with the black/white color scheme but it is on the low end of the range. A Krait style 980 would be beautiful and would sell well to people over the age of 15 (people with disposable income).
akdj - Sunday, January 25, 2015 - link
With ya DooDoo. Just a bit over the top, design-wise. The laptops are definitely moving the right direction aesthetically but the mother boards are just too 'busy' IMHO. In a plexiglass, transparent and well 'controlled' cable mangement...I suppose the colors and design would 'pop' at a science fair but like my washer and dryer....the MoBo lives in a closet and no one gets to 'see' it but you if you're the builder.My wife and I's washer went after 15 years last summer --- the dryer of the same age was making a lot of noise. I happened to be walking through Best Buy during the same time and the 'scratch n dent' are had a nice stainless (gas) dryer on sale. Originally $1299, knocked down to $999 (last year's model). The one I was looking at was labeled 'returned, cosmetic'
It took the third trip with my wife to BB to spot the damage. A quarter (coin) sized dent on the left, unexposed 'side' of the stainless/brushed steel finish. Easily seen with the 'right light' shining, yet impossible to EVER be seen in ANY in home set up (looking at dryer , it's on the left)!!!
The price = $324.99. ½ the price of the best sale I could find on a gas dryer of simple (yet large capacity) build quality. Not one of the 'smart' machines that run into the $1,200+ price range. Why? Who's checking out your washer and dryer? It's a mechanical and simple machine. The more you add, the better chances of failure and expensive fixes down the road.
Pretty doesn't equal 'good', 'great' or take the product to the next level in quality because of its design....unless it's maybe a JA Henkel knife set, a Breitling compared to a Timex or a tailor fit suit from Nordstrom vs. a 3 for 1 deal at JoeABanks;)
That said, the SLI config, docking station and moving to external PCIe graphic, storage and external display, Ethernet, & I/O options in the office or 'home' while maintaining some semblance of portability and usability away from 110v. I'm ambidextrous and use both Windows and OS X. I really like Thunderbolt and it's possibilities down the road. To date, I've had great luck with the two TBolt docks I've used on a 2012 and updated '14 -- paper of 15" rMBPs and it's the best near three years in computing I've enjoyed in the past thirty (I'm 44 this year and started on DOS in high school on an Apple IIe toting my 'HDD' with me to and from class. A box of 4/5/600KB 5 ¼" floppies ;). Can't remember their exact capacity but WOW, what a difference the 3.5", 1.44MB 'hard' floppy made for 'portability' lol. Then we got the HDD built in. Now we're working with PCIe SSD storage that works many hundred if not thousands of times 'quicker' (read and write), 'bigger' (capacity), and reliability
And I feel young! Lol. I didn't work on a 286 until my undergrad, a 486 (w/turbo!) during my master studies. I've still got the latter and if ANYone has a chance to use a floppy today, give it a shot. Just accessing an 800K JPEG is an exercise in patience lol
And today we're shooting RAW files with 25-50-->100x the size of that JPEG, with the ability to do a massive batch file process in seconds. All expected in technology, Moore's Law and all BUT, a couple of the 'ideas' or functions of yesterday are missed. Ala the mech keyboard. That's. Cool. MSI would certainly benefit by toning down its flamboyance in design, especially internal components at the expense they're charging IMHO would be better spent in an extra pair of external SATA, TBolt, or USB 3 ports. They're definitely on to something with the keyboard, the dock and rethinking the laptops ability to 'game' on the go --- but then again, it's got to be a tough prospect selling a $2,500+ laptop to a 17 year old.
Especially when that buys you the latest two consoles, peripherals and a few games WITH a decent Ultrabook or tablet and a smartphone! And this coming from the owner of a pair of rMBPs that were a bit more than that. I'm not a huge gamer though. I enjoy my flight sims but we use the gear for field editing of motion and audio. Tabs for our kneeboards while flying either our twin BeechCraft of Otter in Alaska (I've been flying 26 years now and we operate an air taxi service along side the production company...and been lucky enough to charter and produce with folks from Discovery, NatGeo, Smithsonian and several of their subsidiaries). We also work with the FAA testing and flying with ADSB and TCAS systems in the puddle jumpers with iPads.
Pretty amazing how flying for me, even the high performance (jet) airplanes, we've eliminated a hundred pounds from the plane with these guys. Up to date Jep charts, plates, weather and traffic conditions. NFZs, fuel and diversion airports, filing the flight plan to '3D terrain' following that's very much 'like' the games my sons are playing on Xbox, PlayStation, Wii and the PC/Mac. ADSB is incredible in such a vast state with unpredictable weather, terrain and traffic.
Being a boutique PC builder, MSI is the one that's held true to their product and hasn't sold out to the the big OEMs, ala Alienware/Dell. Congrats to them. IPS, HiDPI displays and excellent, work station class gamut/calibrated off the line displays is what I'd like to see next. Hopefully with Win10, developers of Windows and the entire consortium' can meet and discuss how to implement pixel doubling the UI or GUI while maintaining canvas resolutions while working in video, photos, audio, CAD, animation or high precision creative as OS X has managed to do with third parties like Adobe. I was a first adopter of the 2012 rMBP and while the first six months were interesting for sure, it was amazing to see the developers and Apple themselves iron the bugs out of the OS, help developers with their ability to scale with XCode, and the incredible speed third party developers DID update their apps to support HiDPI. IMHO, the 1 of 2 of the 'biggest' improvements to internally take place in computing in the last decade (excluding external factors; broadband, LTE, and non OS X programming and software --- or Apple's continued innovation of its core apps and software that aren't 'bloat' but actual, powerful and incredibly intuitive software with a UI even my mother can understand and edit her photos and videos with ease!). The HiDPI display on the iPhone 4, iPad 3/4 and the rMBPs ....now taken to a new extreme, the iMac 5k is an absolute stunning achievement for Apple, as they built the timing chip to keep those pixels in sync. Nearly 15mil pixels DOES allow the entire 4K or UltraHD canvas to be represented 1:1 pixels, while the UI and touch targets are identical to a 1920, 720 or 480p resolution you've chosen as the UI initially
BTW, it's about thirty months since I bought the rMBP 2.7/16GB RAM/768GB SSD (pre PCIe SSD but still incredibly quick) with Apple Care. Kinda bummed I spent the extra $252 on A/C. It's. Rock. Solid. No 'ghosting', no dead pixels (a helluva accomplishment with over 5,000,000 the it first time out!), and it's used daily...six days a week it's on and being used sometimes 18 hours in a day, sometimes six but always from powered down to up, extreme conditions and various altitudes, temps, humidity and 'users'
Works as well (better now that I've found and purchased Paragon:-)) as she did the day I bought her and the updated Haswell with a TB PCIe in the 2014 rMBP we just bought six months ago, along with our 2013, delivered in '14 replacement Mac Pro to the 2008 8 core workhorse have both managed to blow my mind even more. Updating a 6, 7, or 800MB program or a 4GB HiDef flick, XCode DL or the OS updates....over 20GB of writing are mind blowingly FAST!
I'd like to see MSI do what Apple's managed to do with their laptops in form, function and functionality. With their no frills Windows install (no trials, BS crapware or registry nightmares to get rid of...yet awesome access to BIOS, it's over clocked software and specific tools built to optimize itself and not Yahoo, Bing or McAfee/Norton and or Office (MS) 'trial' you can't get rid of without reinstalling and imaging your drive), the mechanical keyboard AND this dock --- an idea I'd really like to see Apple either pursue or bless third party developers to 'build' out the TBolt's incredible abilities. If we see the proposed 40Gb/s bandwidth doubling with the third generation in later versions of Broadwell or Skylake (Intel) --- external, high end GPUs, fast NAS, storage and backup arrays and options, fast transfers, reliable storage and incredible time saving horsepower in a portable factor of form...MSI should be able to hit that five pound mark and equal the build quality and reliability of the rMBP; my absolute favorite computer on today's market (I love PCs, own three and have yet to find one with a working trackpad! {working = try a MacBook Pro if you've never, you'll see exactly what I mean} and I've tried Lenovo Dell, and currently own the HP 2in1 13" Haswell core i5/256 SSD and it's incredible to have a laptop I can run Adobe's suite on as a tablet! As well as the MS Surf Pro 3 and a Dell Quadro workstation for a pair of proprietary and windows only programs). The latter, a near $4k workstation that ROCKS with 32GB of RAM, a Quadro nVidia GPU, mSATA and twin solid state internal drives....I still HAVE to have a mouse to actually use it. What is the deal with Windows and trackpads?
And how has OS X nailed it? Forever! Since the genesis it seems, Apple and Synaptic have figured it out. But that same part from Synaptic on WinXP, 2000/NT/Vista, 7 or 8 rig...regardless of OEM, the results are the same. After a couple minutes in the trackpad, it's weird but each machine I've got loses its connection to the T/P and it's futile trying to fix. Grab a $5 mouse, you're fine.
Great job, and good luck MSI. Competition is good.
MSI and MS, Lenovo and Razor are extremely cool companies with intriguing hardware. MS with the SP3 of course. Lenovo, I just really like their products and Razor staying true to itself and the 'power' it's manged to squeeze in to the same size as the rMBP leads me to that conclusion. As MSI is certainly as ...probably significantly MORE experienced in full on laptop design, that little Razor 15" is sweet too. Minimalist design, discreet, yet sharp and easily 'adult' (while concealing your inner kid) and its size.
I'll conclude my novel by adding my two cents to the future of boutique development of the hardware to 'game' on. The first to that external GPU dock with an internal IrisPro iGPU and/or (similar to the rMBP) a discreet, on board AMD or nVidia GPU for 'on the go' speed and power like the MSI with PCIe storage, a four pound 15" form factor and HiDPI display with NO bloat will have a grand slam on their hands
Secondly, they know what they're doing. Why not build out a 'dock' OS X. External GPUs is the answer for portability AND productivity!
Maikelele - Monday, January 26, 2015 - link
There is also a X99s Krait edition as well. i would believe that the X99 would be more of an "adult" lineup. as well.