I'd have more than "hard drive" recommending OCZ's products at this time. Then again, bankruptcy doesn't really change my advice in that regard; I think you'd have to be out of your ever-loving mind to spend money on an OCZ product, when there are so many great competing products made by companies *without* a long, sad history of pumping garbage onto the market at cut-rate prices.
No, I'm not cranky about having had more than a dozen OCZ SSDs fail, why do you ask?
If you had more then a dozen of them fail on you, why have you kept buying? Enterprise level products are a completely different story. If one was to continue reasoning on this level, no should buy Seagate hard drives either then? Crank all you want - no one asked, and no one cares for.
Perhaps it's because he jumped on the OCZ drives back in the Vertex 2 or 3 days (like I did) and after a couple weeks of validation, mass rolled-out drives to 100+ machines in a short time, and THEN the failures started happening. We've RMAed about 10 drives from that first 100. Of course, for the next wave, we've since moved to non-Sandforce-based drives (Crucial and Samsung basically). Even our Intel 330s were giving us trouble.
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I certainly have stopped buying Seagate hard drives since the bundle of 8-10 I have continuously have issues. I RMA them, Seagate sends out refurbished drives, and those drives crash. I've moved on and won't buy another Seagate. I'm actually probably done with all hard drives now, and as those 8-10 crash, I'll either replace them with SSDs or Western Digital drives.
I bought 2 vertex 2's both died, one within a year, got that replaced under warranty, the replacement died too. Was probably still warrantied but at that point decided I prefer something that works then having my boot disk completely die > 1/year and shelled out for some SSD's that worked.
Especially at the Enterprise level. A place of overspending on support, reliability, and brand. Little to no hope. Consumer level fire sale (touchpad anyone?) when it's all over perhaps
It's not theoretical NAND endurance. The endurance spec is needed for warranty because if the spec is exceeded, the manufacturer will not replace a failed drive. Consumer drives with cMLC NAND have significantly worse endurance ratings (e.g. Vector 150 has 91TB) even though the actual NAND isn't any worse. However, the drive hasn't been validated as much, hence the difference in endurance.
sheh, you're correct that 1DWPD and 5DWPD are the endurance ratings, but I wanted to list them per capacity as well since at least I didn't get exactly the same numbers as OCZ.
Even disregarding OCZ's track record when it comes to reliability... Who in their right mind would go out and buy an enterprise drive, where reliability and support are paramount, from a company that's about to go bankrupt?
I can't think of a CTO worth his or her salt that would ever put OCZ anything in their IT deployment plans. Why are you even reporting on this garbage?
'Hey guys, here's a new unproven "enterprise grade" drive from a company with terrible support history that's currently going bankrupt, but we're going to withhold our opinion for a few weeks' Is this how it's going to be for future SSD material on AT.com?
Here's the things: Toshiba now has Violin and OCZ (with Barefoot X, if they actually exist). Toshiba also has its own toggle NAND. The scenario: Toshiba now has a structure to build SSD from consumer to prosumer to enterprise on stepped technology. Whether it keeps OCZ or Violin brand names going forward is a separate issue.
Brand loyalty is a funny thing. People tend to promote stuff that they have themselves. Even if it was RMAed. I believe it's a psychologic thing to keep your self-esteem on a high level. I bet if Toshiba keeps the OCZ brand running, they are going to make an easy buck on all the people who ask a self acclaimed 'wizzkid' I want a SSD and and the reply is going to be "Well, I have an OCZ drive" and an other one takes the gamble. That professional sites didn't start saying "Just No" to every OCZ product a few years back, I can't comprehend. They had a failure rate way higher then the competition, in several product lines. And got the benefit of the doubt every single time. Even at this moment AT doesn't say "AVOID!". Just proves AT writers are also human.
People do like to recommend what they themselves own, but people like to pile on the bandwagon to complain as well. I have OCZ drives in most of my computers and have only had one fail on me(and updating firmware would have prevented it), but I mostly use Intel drives for computers I build(less likely to need to update firmware and easier to do so with the toolbox). So far I have not heard a complete story about a failed OCZ drive, what model, what hardware, what trigger? It broke, people are mad, period. Whatever, that's not enough info for me to change my mind, just F.U.D. I think most just buy cheap crap and blame the company for the cheap crap they bought. Intel does not sell cheap crap, they cost more, but nobody complains about that.
That said, buying an enterprise drive after they have filed for bankruptcy makes no sense.
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Black Obsidian - Thursday, December 12, 2013 - link
I'd have more than "hard drive" recommending OCZ's products at this time. Then again, bankruptcy doesn't really change my advice in that regard; I think you'd have to be out of your ever-loving mind to spend money on an OCZ product, when there are so many great competing products made by companies *without* a long, sad history of pumping garbage onto the market at cut-rate prices.No, I'm not cranky about having had more than a dozen OCZ SSDs fail, why do you ask?
Kristian Vättö - Thursday, December 12, 2013 - link
Argh, muscle memory got me! Thanks for the heads up, it's fixed now :)Cellar Door - Thursday, December 12, 2013 - link
If you had more then a dozen of them fail on you, why have you kept buying? Enterprise level products are a completely different story. If one was to continue reasoning on this level, no should buy Seagate hard drives either then? Crank all you want - no one asked, and no one cares for.Ammaross - Thursday, December 12, 2013 - link
Perhaps it's because he jumped on the OCZ drives back in the Vertex 2 or 3 days (like I did) and after a couple weeks of validation, mass rolled-out drives to 100+ machines in a short time, and THEN the failures started happening. We've RMAed about 10 drives from that first 100. Of course, for the next wave, we've since moved to non-Sandforce-based drives (Crucial and Samsung basically). Even our Intel 330s were giving us trouble.MarcinRybus - Saturday, December 14, 2013 - link
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thetoad30 - Tuesday, December 17, 2013 - link
I certainly have stopped buying Seagate hard drives since the bundle of 8-10 I have continuously have issues. I RMA them, Seagate sends out refurbished drives, and those drives crash. I've moved on and won't buy another Seagate. I'm actually probably done with all hard drives now, and as those 8-10 crash, I'll either replace them with SSDs or Western Digital drives.Dribble - Friday, December 13, 2013 - link
I bought 2 vertex 2's both died, one within a year, got that replaced under warranty, the replacement died too. Was probably still warrantied but at that point decided I prefer something that works then having my boot disk completely die > 1/year and shelled out for some SSD's that worked.HisDivineOrder - Thursday, December 12, 2013 - link
Doubt any corporations are going to be buying anything OCZ until the Toshiba/OCZ business is settled.hero4hire - Thursday, December 12, 2013 - link
Especially at the Enterprise level. A place of overspending on support, reliability, and brand. Little to no hope. Consumer level fire sale (touchpad anyone?) when it's all over perhapssheh - Thursday, December 12, 2013 - link
Aren't the exact endurance ratings already there; 1 and 5 DWPD for 5 years?melgross - Saturday, December 14, 2013 - link
That's not actual drive endurance. That's the theoretical NAND endurance, which is assumed if the drive itself doesn't fail first.Kristian Vättö - Sunday, December 15, 2013 - link
It's not theoretical NAND endurance. The endurance spec is needed for warranty because if the spec is exceeded, the manufacturer will not replace a failed drive. Consumer drives with cMLC NAND have significantly worse endurance ratings (e.g. Vector 150 has 91TB) even though the actual NAND isn't any worse. However, the drive hasn't been validated as much, hence the difference in endurance.sheh, you're correct that 1DWPD and 5DWPD are the endurance ratings, but I wanted to list them per capacity as well since at least I didn't get exactly the same numbers as OCZ.
FunBunny2 - Thursday, December 12, 2013 - link
Umm... more likely Barefoot X is just rebranded Marvell silicon. Same as before.JlHADJOE - Thursday, December 12, 2013 - link
Even disregarding OCZ's track record when it comes to reliability... Who in their right mind would go out and buy an enterprise drive, where reliability and support are paramount, from a company that's about to go bankrupt?DarkStryke - Thursday, December 12, 2013 - link
I can't think of a CTO worth his or her salt that would ever put OCZ anything in their IT deployment plans. Why are you even reporting on this garbage?'Hey guys, here's a new unproven "enterprise grade" drive from a company with terrible support history that's currently going bankrupt, but we're going to withhold our opinion for a few weeks' Is this how it's going to be for future SSD material on AT.com?
gostan - Friday, December 13, 2013 - link
"If Toshiba is interested in OCZ's enterprise customers, it would make sense to cover the warranty costs because otherwise customer may go elsewhere."That is only if OCZ had any enterprise customers.
Why so much love for OCZ AT?
FunBunny2 - Friday, December 13, 2013 - link
Here's the things: Toshiba now has Violin and OCZ (with Barefoot X, if they actually exist). Toshiba also has its own toggle NAND. The scenario: Toshiba now has a structure to build SSD from consumer to prosumer to enterprise on stepped technology. Whether it keeps OCZ or Violin brand names going forward is a separate issue.Kristian Vättö - Sunday, December 15, 2013 - link
OCZ does have enterprise customers. In 2012 their market share in the enterprise SSD revenue was 2.4%.http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2013/07/03/grea...
Foeketijn - Friday, December 13, 2013 - link
Brand loyalty is a funny thing. People tend to promote stuff that they have themselves. Even if it was RMAed. I believe it's a psychologic thing to keep your self-esteem on a high level. I bet if Toshiba keeps the OCZ brand running, they are going to make an easy buck on all the people who ask a self acclaimed 'wizzkid' I want a SSD and and the reply is going to be "Well, I have an OCZ drive" and an other one takes the gamble. That professional sites didn't start saying "Just No" to every OCZ product a few years back, I can't comprehend. They had a failure rate way higher then the competition, in several product lines. And got the benefit of the doubt every single time. Even at this moment AT doesn't say "AVOID!". Just proves AT writers are also human.ArmedandDangerous - Saturday, December 14, 2013 - link
And? The Marvel controller in the Vertex 4 is still pretty darn fast, and it fixed the dead SSD issue from previous generations.'nar - Saturday, December 14, 2013 - link
People do like to recommend what they themselves own, but people like to pile on the bandwagon to complain as well. I have OCZ drives in most of my computers and have only had one fail on me(and updating firmware would have prevented it), but I mostly use Intel drives for computers I build(less likely to need to update firmware and easier to do so with the toolbox). So far I have not heard a complete story about a failed OCZ drive, what model, what hardware, what trigger? It broke, people are mad, period. Whatever, that's not enough info for me to change my mind, just F.U.D. I think most just buy cheap crap and blame the company for the cheap crap they bought. Intel does not sell cheap crap, they cost more, but nobody complains about that.That said, buying an enterprise drive after they have filed for bankruptcy makes no sense.
angelscomera - Wednesday, February 9, 2022 - link
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