You should go see the results from other review sites as well.
Anandtech's testing configuration seems to be bottlenecked in a way that makes the 7600X look faster than it really is. 7800X3D blows the 7700X and 7600X out of the water on other review sites.
A memory kit that costs almost as much as the CPU? I doubt this what many Ryzen 7000 buyers will run, at least in the near future. This why I'm inclined to go for Intel 13xxx, despite their higher power draw.
especially if you want to save money and buy a better gpu for eg. AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, MSI B650-P Pro WiFi, G.Skill Flare X5 16GB DDR5-5600 Module, Computer Build Combo is$533.96 SAVE $133.97 $399.99 before 5% membership discount at microcenter. The difference saved can go from a 6700xt to a 6950XT which is going for $549 with cpu Combo and should easily double them frames.
Who would use such crappy memory 5200 cl 46 in a new build? For example at Microcenter you can get G .Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL36 for $140
I meant AMD EXPO memory profiles. If your reading this site, your probably interested in getting more performance from your system. also CL 46 is so slow
Literally every person with a brain is using memory that is technically "overclocked", and has been for over a decade. XMP/DOCP are overclocking... they're also mandatory for decent performance and a realistic test setup.
Can you RMA a CPU and/or motherboard because it doesn't like your DDR-6000?
Do you include over/under volting? Exotic cooling? Pushing things hard enough that system reliability is compromised? Crazy large power supplies?
Or do you compare all CPUs/platforms with their posted specifications?
Comparing AMD *AND* Intel at their posted specifications seems fair. After all not everyone overclocks, and I don't particularly care if AMD or Intel is better at overclocking. After all some people actually like reliable computers and might actually care more about ECC memory than performance from overlcocking.
Should request it as a business expense from Future. Are they being stingy over a $347.99 purchase that acts as a tax deduction either immediately via section 179 (USA)/AIA (UK) or depreciated over five years, when they netted £122.2 million in 2022?
Is there a reason you're pairing the fastest CPUs on the market with a last-gen GPU and the slowest DDR5 I've ever seen? This test setup is abysmal, quite frankly.
The current CPU testbed was setup for the launch of the Ryzen 7000 series back in September. At the time that was put together, the RX 6950 XT was one of the fastest video cards on the market. We typically only cycle our workbench once per CPU generation, as it requires that we throw out all of our work each time.
As for the memory we used, that is following a long-standing testing policy with the site. We test CPUs with the fastest memory they officially support. Overclocked memory a) Voids your processor warranty, and b) Isn't guaranteed - which is to say that you can't RMA a chip because it doesn't overclock to some specified frequency.
We've had discussions with AMD and Intel on the matter before. If they change these two policies, we'd be happy to update our testing policies to match. Otherwise, our preference is to stick to settings that won't break your processor, and represent a level of performance that all chips will attain, rather than a level of performance that a subset of chips may attain.
"During testing, it was evident that Ryzen 7 7800X3D provides significant advantages in gaming compared to chips without 3D V-Cache"
Define significant, and what evidence makes it evident? Give us some statistics and relevant titles that show this clearly in that same paragraph. This and the 7950X3D review with these claims read more like sales documents to me, personally. None of the performance-related graphs on the conclusion page with the exception of Hitman 3 seem to highlight these significant advantages (which is a discussion of 300+ fps to more than 300 fps... that won't even be noticeable)
There are many things about this chip that I like, but from a raw performance stand point, the advantages seem marginal or not at all with the exception of one or two titles. If anything, the real advantage here is the performance:cost ratio. Am I wrong? What did I miss?
Looking at the results in this review, are we certain that there was no "core parking driver" contamination? Because the 7800X3D seems really slow where it shouldn't be. Gamers Nexus had this issue and had to do a clean install to get their 7800X3D to work properly and not park cores.
Hi Meacupla, I can confirm I had no core parking driver issues, but I did use a fresh install of Windows 11 as per AMD's suggestion. I knew that issues could arise before even installing the CPU, but as I confirmed earlier, I didn't notice any odd behavior.
Can I ask, where do you believe the 7800X3D is slow in our testing?
The cases where it loses from the 5800X3D maybe. I find it also fascinating how often the 7600x is faster. And isn't mentioned when you make the "Cheaper CPU will enable you to buy a better GPU" point. But that's a different story.
this part All the other reviews I've seen put the 7800X3D ahead by a wide margin in gaming results at 1080p and 1440p when compared against a 7600X and 7700X.
People need to stop bitching about memory speed. 7000 series are hard-capped at 6000 MT/s (up to 6400 MT/s with questionable stability) and regular non-3D chips barely show the impact of faster memory. For these 3D V-cache chips, faster memory is literally a waste of money. As a matter of fact I'd argue it is one of the benefits of using these chips that you can get away with budget memory.
If you do a decent amount of reading/video watching it's fairly evident that 6000 @ 30 is the "sweet spot". I think rather than "bitching" people want to see their tech sources engage in actual tech that's applicable to the part in question. x3d is a part designed & marketed to gamers, who typically have a rig with high end parts and utilize the highest memory settings to achieve better performance.
They are because they are the figures we got when running the original test suite. I did run the suite a couple of times to see where the PPM driver got things wrong, and the 7950X3D running on the 3D V-Cache enabled CCD performs as well as the 7800X3D does in Factorio and Dwarf Fortress.
with this logic, its the i3s and 5600g are the winners as the performance/price is highest. I'm quite impressed they're holding up well even at the lowest resolutions or fastest GPUs.
Are the power readings derived from what the processor itself is reporting?
My impression is that AMD processors tend to under-report, as the low power readings from the cpu don't quite seem to match up with the readings of whole system power where I've been able to find them.
Obviously motherboard is going to be a big factor in how much power the system uses but with all else being equal the system power is going to be more representative of what we actually have to deal with (in terms of heat and energy cost).
The memory we used, that is following a long-standing testing policy with the site. We test CPUs with the fastest memory they officially support. Overclocked memory a) Voids your processor warranty, and b) Isn't guaranteed - which is to say that you can't RMA a chip because it doesn't overclock to some specified frequency.
We've had discussions with AMD and Intel on the matter before. If they change these two policies, we'd be happy to update our testing policies to match. Otherwise, our preference is to stick to settings that won't break your processor, and represent a level of performance that all chips will attain, rather than a level of performance that a subset of chips may attain.
Hello, Is there anyway to force windows scheduler to utilize the preferred processors, in my case identified via Ryzen Master as C02 & C06 of 8 on an AMD 7800x3d. Using CPU-Z it shows that Windows 11 is using C01, which runs at 5012mhz @ 62 degrees C (658 score in CPU-z). Pretty good, using highest Expo settings in BIOS, however it seems that C02 or C06 would be much better. All Cores run at around 4866mhz around 82 degrees C (7377 score in CPU-z). I've tried using the balanced power mode and others, which don't seem to change much aside from lowering the all cores score to 7348 and increase the single core to 660. Any comments or solutions appreciated.
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shabby - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Seems like the 7600x is the clear winner here.meacupla - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
You should go see the results from other review sites as well.Anandtech's testing configuration seems to be bottlenecked in a way that makes the 7600X look faster than it really is.
7800X3D blows the 7700X and 7600X out of the water on other review sites.
CoachAub - Saturday, April 15, 2023 - link
I agree. The memory chosen 5200 44CL is not ideal and affects scores. They need DDR5-6000 at 30CL which is the sweet spot.Violet Giraffe - Monday, April 24, 2023 - link
A memory kit that costs almost as much as the CPU? I doubt this what many Ryzen 7000 buyers will run, at least in the near future. This why I'm inclined to go for Intel 13xxx, despite their higher power draw.army165 - Tuesday, May 16, 2023 - link
I picked up 32GB's of GSkill 6000mhz, 30CL for $120. I don't know where you saw that RAM was $450 but it's not.godrilla - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
especially if you want to save money and buy a better gpu for eg.AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, MSI B650-P Pro WiFi, G.Skill Flare X5 16GB DDR5-5600 Module, Computer Build Combo
is$533.96 SAVE $133.97
$399.99 before 5% membership discount at microcenter. The difference saved can go from a 6700xt to a 6950XT which is going for $549 with cpu Combo and should easily double them frames.
Anoldnewb2 - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Who would use such crappy memory 5200 cl 46 in a new build? For example at Microcenter you can get G .Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5-6000 PC5-48000 CL36 for $140Wereweeb - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Ryzen 7000 only officially supports DDR5 speeds of up to 5200MT/s. Anything above that is overclocking and outside of their specifications.Anoldnewb2 - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
And who doesn't use PBO with their memory?Anoldnewb2 - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
I meant AMD EXPO memory profiles. If your reading this site, your probably interested in getting more performance from your system. also CL 46 is so slowMarxman - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Literally every person with a brain is using memory that is technically "overclocked", and has been for over a decade. XMP/DOCP are overclocking... they're also mandatory for decent performance and a realistic test setup.NO ONE should be using 5200-CL44 in 2023.
elajt_1 - Friday, April 7, 2023 - link
Yea it kind of defeats the point on having otherwise state of the art hardware.erotomania - Tuesday, April 11, 2023 - link
I haven't much liked that part of AT testing for a while, nor the explanation.elajt_1 - Friday, April 7, 2023 - link
And yet AMD themselves suggest 6000MT/s as it is the sweet spot according to them.spikebike - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Can you RMA a CPU and/or motherboard because it doesn't like your DDR-6000?Do you include over/under volting? Exotic cooling? Pushing things hard enough that system reliability is compromised? Crazy large power supplies?
Or do you compare all CPUs/platforms with their posted specifications?
Comparing AMD *AND* Intel at their posted specifications seems fair. After all not everyone overclocks, and I don't particularly care if AMD or Intel is better at overclocking. After all some people actually like reliable computers and might actually care more about ECC memory than performance from overlcocking.
boozed - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
That's a fair comment, but these are enthusiast level parts after all.I suppose the solution is to show performance in both scenarios.
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
"I suppose the solution is to show performance in both scenarios."In an ideal world, it's something we'd like to do in some fashion. But it would double our testing workload, which isn't viable.
boozed - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
That's also fair enough. I appreciate the time taken to address comments.elajt_1 - Friday, April 7, 2023 - link
The people who gets these CPU's witout running OC memory can most likely be counted on one hand.elajt_1 - Friday, April 7, 2023 - link
Expo and XMP profiles will work on most systems (if not all), up to a certain speed.roboiii - Thursday, April 27, 2023 - link
No one buying an x3d processor cares more about ECC memory but I'm guessing you enable that setting for your graphics cards?WhatYaWant - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Great review, just missing the 7700x omissionGavin Bonshor - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Yeah, unfortunately, AMD didn't sample us that chip. It is definitely one we will be requesting, though.GreenReaper - Wednesday, April 12, 2023 - link
Should request it as a business expense from Future. Are they being stingy over a $347.99 purchase that acts as a tax deduction either immediately via section 179 (USA)/AIA (UK) or depreciated over five years, when they netted £122.2 million in 2022?Makaveli - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Great review and thanks for adding the 5800X3D I picked up one last weekend.Marxman - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Is there a reason you're pairing the fastest CPUs on the market with a last-gen GPU and the slowest DDR5 I've ever seen? This test setup is abysmal, quite frankly.Ryan Smith - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
The current CPU testbed was setup for the launch of the Ryzen 7000 series back in September. At the time that was put together, the RX 6950 XT was one of the fastest video cards on the market. We typically only cycle our workbench once per CPU generation, as it requires that we throw out all of our work each time.As for the memory we used, that is following a long-standing testing policy with the site. We test CPUs with the fastest memory they officially support. Overclocked memory a) Voids your processor warranty, and b) Isn't guaranteed - which is to say that you can't RMA a chip because it doesn't overclock to some specified frequency.
We've had discussions with AMD and Intel on the matter before. If they change these two policies, we'd be happy to update our testing policies to match. Otherwise, our preference is to stick to settings that won't break your processor, and represent a level of performance that all chips will attain, rather than a level of performance that a subset of chips may attain.
A5 - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
Seems fair. They should be willing to warranty ddr5-6000 if they want you to test with it.TMU - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Thanks for the review. I got my eyes on that 13600k sealed the deal for me.achinhorn - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
"During testing, it was evident that Ryzen 7 7800X3D provides significant advantages in gaming compared to chips without 3D V-Cache"Define significant, and what evidence makes it evident? Give us some statistics and relevant titles that show this clearly in that same paragraph. This and the 7950X3D review with these claims read more like sales documents to me, personally. None of the performance-related graphs on the conclusion page with the exception of Hitman 3 seem to highlight these significant advantages (which is a discussion of 300+ fps to more than 300 fps... that won't even be noticeable)
There are many things about this chip that I like, but from a raw performance stand point, the advantages seem marginal or not at all with the exception of one or two titles. If anything, the real advantage here is the performance:cost ratio. Am I wrong? What did I miss?
MetalScythe - Sunday, April 9, 2023 - link
It’s because Anandtech’s gaming benchmarks are using insanely outdated games.Do your due-diligence and read other publications’ reviews of the chip. They’re much faster at gaming than this “review” makes them seem.
meacupla - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
Looking at the results in this review, are we certain that there was no "core parking driver" contamination? Because the 7800X3D seems really slow where it shouldn't be.Gamers Nexus had this issue and had to do a clean install to get their 7800X3D to work properly and not park cores.
Gavin Bonshor - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
Hi Meacupla, I can confirm I had no core parking driver issues, but I did use a fresh install of Windows 11 as per AMD's suggestion. I knew that issues could arise before even installing the CPU, but as I confirmed earlier, I didn't notice any odd behavior.Can I ask, where do you believe the 7800X3D is slow in our testing?
Foeketijn - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
The cases where it loses from the 5800X3D maybe.I find it also fascinating how often the 7600x is faster. And isn't mentioned when you make the "Cheaper CPU will enable you to buy a better GPU" point.
But that's a different story.
meacupla - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
this partAll the other reviews I've seen put the 7800X3D ahead by a wide margin in gaming results at 1080p and 1440p when compared against a 7600X and 7700X.
MetalScythe - Sunday, April 9, 2023 - link
Again, it’s because the games Anandtech uses for game reviews are incredibly outdated.I mean… GTA V in 2023!??
lopri - Wednesday, April 5, 2023 - link
People need to stop bitching about memory speed. 7000 series are hard-capped at 6000 MT/s (up to 6400 MT/s with questionable stability) and regular non-3D chips barely show the impact of faster memory. For these 3D V-cache chips, faster memory is literally a waste of money. As a matter of fact I'd argue it is one of the benefits of using these chips that you can get away with budget memory.roboiii - Thursday, April 27, 2023 - link
If you do a decent amount of reading/video watching it's fairly evident that 6000 @ 30 is the "sweet spot". I think rather than "bitching" people want to see their tech sources engage in actual tech that's applicable to the part in question. x3d is a part designed & marketed to gamers, who typically have a rig with high end parts and utilize the highest memory settings to achieve better performance.tjrneal - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
The borked 7950x3d results are still there for Dwarf Fortress and Factorio.Gavin Bonshor - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
They are because they are the figures we got when running the original test suite. I did run the suite a couple of times to see where the PPM driver got things wrong, and the 7950X3D running on the 3D V-Cache enabled CCD performs as well as the 7800X3D does in Factorio and Dwarf Fortress.Nerdhard - Friday, April 7, 2023 - link
Your test results make absolutely no sense, none.MetalScythe - Sunday, April 9, 2023 - link
Especially compared to -every- other publication that’s reviewed this CPU. Going by this review, you’d think it’s crap at gaming. Pure insanity.zodiacfml - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
with this logic, its the i3s and 5600g are the winners as the performance/price is highest. I'm quite impressed they're holding up well even at the lowest resolutions or fastest GPUs.Ruklaw - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
Are the power readings derived from what the processor itself is reporting?My impression is that AMD processors tend to under-report, as the low power readings from the cpu don't quite seem to match up with the readings of whole system power where I've been able to find them.
Obviously motherboard is going to be a big factor in how much power the system uses but with all else being equal the system power is going to be more representative of what we actually have to deal with (in terms of heat and energy cost).
Nerdhard - Thursday, April 6, 2023 - link
I’m genuinely baffled by your testing, you kneecapped Intel to give AMD a win; who the hell buys a 13900KS and uses crap memory?Worst test I’ve ever seen.
Ryan Smith - Friday, April 7, 2023 - link
The memory we used, that is following a long-standing testing policy with the site. We test CPUs with the fastest memory they officially support. Overclocked memory a) Voids your processor warranty, and b) Isn't guaranteed - which is to say that you can't RMA a chip because it doesn't overclock to some specified frequency.We've had discussions with AMD and Intel on the matter before. If they change these two policies, we'd be happy to update our testing policies to match. Otherwise, our preference is to stick to settings that won't break your processor, and represent a level of performance that all chips will attain, rather than a level of performance that a subset of chips may attain.
duploxxx - Friday, April 7, 2023 - link
Wel. Your comment can get to the usual list of worst as usual.It is clearly explained why and used for a long time for years.
Who the hell buys the worst cpu ever the 13900ks anyhow... Yes stupidity exists... Power consumption will solve all issues :)
Anyhow scaling works on all platforms and often depending on game.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2635-ryzen-7950x3d...
MetalScythe - Sunday, April 9, 2023 - link
I’m guessing this is the very same Nerdhard from WCCFkek…MetalScythe - Sunday, April 9, 2023 - link
Anandtech really should update the games they use to benchmark…MetalScythe - Sunday, April 9, 2023 - link
Going by this review, and the unexplained blatantly elderly games used to review the CPU; you would think it’s an absolute dog at gaming.Reality couldn’t be farther from the truth. This site has fallen so far from relevance… it’s saddening.
roboiii - Thursday, April 27, 2023 - link
Hello, Is there anyway to force windows scheduler to utilize the preferred processors, in my case identified via Ryzen Master as C02 & C06 of 8 on an AMD 7800x3d. Using CPU-Z it shows that Windows 11 is using C01, which runs at 5012mhz @ 62 degrees C (658 score in CPU-z). Pretty good, using highest Expo settings in BIOS, however it seems that C02 or C06 would be much better. All Cores run at around 4866mhz around 82 degrees C (7377 score in CPU-z). I've tried using the balanced power mode and others, which don't seem to change much aside from lowering the all cores score to 7348 and increase the single core to 660. Any comments or solutions appreciated.roboiii - Thursday, April 27, 2023 - link
Utilize the preferred cores is what I meant to type, not preferred processors.