I don't know why the NAS market is so glacial. A few years ago when I wanted to build a silent, fast NAS by using SSDs I had maybe two options to get a fanless unit and then adapter sleds to put 2.5" SSDs into 3.5" enclosures. Now years later we've got the TBS-464 which sports a fan and four USB-A ports, zero USB-C, plus these new units which must be focused on enterprise with their hot-swapping and will bring prices to match. Home users will be still left shoving noisy boxes of spinning rust into closets. Ugh.
That's a bit of an exaggeration, to say the least. I'm highly sensitive to noise, and I have a DS220+ with a couple 8TB drives in my room (set to run 24/7 to avoid the horrid maintenance clicking), and you're not going to hear the fan unless you're a few feet away and nothing else is making a sound. To be fair, I did cut up some dense foam from a GPU box and put it under the NAS as well as along the HDD tracks, but that's not a hard thing to do. No closet required.
If you have a 12 bay with louder fans, that's another story, but not many people have that use case.
(I'll also clarify that I'm using Red Plus drives specifically because of my acoustic needs. Most other drives I've read reviews of are louder, but if you do your reading, you won't be stuck with those.)
"Home users will be still left shoving noisy boxes of spinning rust into closets. Ugh." If you're looking at products like this you're closer to business than home market. If you're looking for an entirely flash based NAS then you definitely not a consumer market at least any one that benefits from economies of scale.
Add on the fact that you won’t tolerate fans means your desire’s command a price premium.
I’d like to see more NAS makers adopting ZFS on the back end and incorporating more options for cache. SSD NAS is fine and all but it’s not cost-conscious for large storage, particularly in a video editing context. Something like 50TB of disks with a 1TB nvme cache will get the end user all the performance they need for active-projects while being WAY cheaper than having the whole 50TB on nvme. Or, alternatively, just allowing scalable RAM, which zfs uses as a tier1 cache. Even cheap DDR3 RAM, if you get enough of it, could keep most of a video-editing project hot with lower latency than even the fastest expensive nvme drives.
iX systems is making machines like this but they are very expensive compared to what you can build diy. Unfortunately being the sysadmin for these diy machines does require learning some linux and/or putting up with limitations of the Truenas os.
Alternatively: You can buy AMD/Intel rack servers prebuilt brand name or assemble yourself. Then install Linux distro with ZFS support. QNAP compatible options are often few, dearer but better supported. Other systems you have more options but it may need some work to get drivers & configuration working but atleast it's more possible to change/fix than QNAS proprietary.
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Captain obvious - Sunday, January 8, 2023 - link
What about security measures to avoid (yet another) ransomware wave?Threska - Sunday, January 8, 2023 - link
Better the AI under the users control than a cloud somewhere else. It'll still be a surveillance society, but it'll be OUR surveillance society.ABR - Monday, January 9, 2023 - link
I don't know why the NAS market is so glacial. A few years ago when I wanted to build a silent, fast NAS by using SSDs I had maybe two options to get a fanless unit and then adapter sleds to put 2.5" SSDs into 3.5" enclosures. Now years later we've got the TBS-464 which sports a fan and four USB-A ports, zero USB-C, plus these new units which must be focused on enterprise with their hot-swapping and will bring prices to match. Home users will be still left shoving noisy boxes of spinning rust into closets. Ugh.meacupla - Monday, January 9, 2023 - link
what about the DS620slim?DanNeely - Monday, January 9, 2023 - link
The relatively high cost/GB of SSD based storage makes flash NASes overwhelmingly enterprise only devices at present.Dizoja86 - Tuesday, January 10, 2023 - link
That's a bit of an exaggeration, to say the least. I'm highly sensitive to noise, and I have a DS220+ with a couple 8TB drives in my room (set to run 24/7 to avoid the horrid maintenance clicking), and you're not going to hear the fan unless you're a few feet away and nothing else is making a sound. To be fair, I did cut up some dense foam from a GPU box and put it under the NAS as well as along the HDD tracks, but that's not a hard thing to do. No closet required.If you have a 12 bay with louder fans, that's another story, but not many people have that use case.
Dizoja86 - Tuesday, January 10, 2023 - link
(I'll also clarify that I'm using Red Plus drives specifically because of my acoustic needs. Most other drives I've read reviews of are louder, but if you do your reading, you won't be stuck with those.)war59312 - Wednesday, January 11, 2023 - link
They are talking about flash SSDs. You are talking about spinners.Skeptical123 - Saturday, January 14, 2023 - link
It is still relevant because the DS220+ has one fan and can take 2.5 SSDs with adapters.Skeptical123 - Saturday, January 14, 2023 - link
"Home users will be still left shoving noisy boxes of spinning rust into closets. Ugh." If you're looking at products like this you're closer to business than home market. If you're looking for an entirely flash based NAS then you definitely not a consumer market at least any one that benefits from economies of scale.Add on the fact that you won’t tolerate fans means your desire’s command a price premium.
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Nice to see you!Hresna - Saturday, January 21, 2023 - link
I’d like to see more NAS makers adopting ZFS on the back end and incorporating more options for cache. SSD NAS is fine and all but it’s not cost-conscious for large storage, particularly in a video editing context. Something like 50TB of disks with a 1TB nvme cache will get the end user all the performance they need for active-projects while being WAY cheaper than having the whole 50TB on nvme. Or, alternatively, just allowing scalable RAM, which zfs uses as a tier1 cache. Even cheap DDR3 RAM, if you get enough of it, could keep most of a video-editing project hot with lower latency than even the fastest expensive nvme drives.iX systems is making machines like this but they are very expensive compared to what you can build diy. Unfortunately being the sysadmin for these diy machines does require learning some linux and/or putting up with limitations of the Truenas os.
tygrus - Monday, January 23, 2023 - link
QNAP have "QuTS hero" versions of many enterprise/SMB NAS products.<a href="https://www.qnap.com/en-au/product/?conditions=4-3...
Alternatively: You can buy AMD/Intel rack servers prebuilt brand name or assemble yourself. Then install Linux distro with ZFS support. QNAP compatible options are often few, dearer but better supported. Other systems you have more options but it may need some work to get drivers & configuration working but atleast it's more possible to change/fix than QNAS proprietary.