The previous gen top dog N6000 sold in $350 canadian dollar notebooks. That's not possible if the CPU is actually anywhere more than $100, nevermind $300.
Not necessarily. All we know is the peak power, not how well it handles “most of the time”, either fully idle, or in ramping up to full speed and back. For the sorts of designs that uses these chips, most battery life is about life when you’re not using the device (but it’s still alive, checking networks and so on).
I'm optimistic that they're at least as good as Amber Lake-Y for battery life. The Surface Go 3 is hobbling along with that in the i3-10100y - 8th-gen Core architecture with only 2c/4t. The N300 with 8c/8t with similar clockspeeds and updated memory should blow that outta the water. A potential Surface Go 4 would be a big step up even without battery life improvements.
7w is TDP. That will boost to 30w+ at times. My 12th gen laptop will idle at 3w with the screen off but is nearly 40w when ragging just the 8 E cores. These will probably be less than that, but think 30w when it's busy.
I hope its not quite so horrible since the table lists the wattage while under "Turbo" implying that 6-15W is possibly peak consumption which implies passive cooling is realistic.
I'm mostly curious what sort of NUC style boxes will be put together using these. They appear to be using one of the newer IGP designs (based on connectivity/AV1 decode I'm guessing TGL) so they could make for a great low power HTPC type system.
Yes the AV1 decode is nice, but the picture says it only supports HDMI 2.0b, not 2.1. Thus no 8k@60/4k@120 which is a bummer. But otherwise, yes a great media consumption CPU
Unlike a NUC, a Android streaming box (or a smart TV) will get proper 4K HDR streams from services, and output proper HDR and surround sound from self hosted streaming services. TVs have largely taken over the post processing part of the job. There are few niches where local GPU upscaling/post processing low res local content may turn out slightly better, but those niches are getting smaller every year.
Hence (other than gaming in dGPU boxes) I don't really understand what people are doing with expensive HTPCs anymore.
Historically these have only come in embedded form so I doubt this will be any different. A quick look at Intel's Ark confirms they're only listed for mobile.
Someone in China may eventually strap one of these onto a small PCB that effectively converts to LGA-1800 so it can be used in a motherboard--it's happened before.
I assume we'll see custom NUCs out of China with them much earlier than that would occur. As long as you don't need expansion ports these should be quite good.
What does "7W TDP" for i3-N300 actually mean, is this still within the realm of passive cooling? I know 7W of dissipation would certainly be but with Intel being Intel "7W TDP" is probably more like 30-40W dissipation under sustained CPU load?
What is the idle power for this CPU (board power minus RAM)?
"7W TDP" means nothing, and your comment is also meaningless. Modern CPU's are designed to ramp as hard as possible given thermal headroom. If it's given passive cooling it'll go as hard as the cooling will allow it, and then throttle. If it's given an air cooler it'll go as hard as the air cooling allows it, or a power limit - whichever comes first.
If only those could also come with an inline ECC option at negligible cost!
The 305 should be good enough to push out a Xeon D-1500 and quite a few G8 Sandy and Ivy Bridge servers I know still to be running in some obscure corner of our data center, except that those still pack 128 or 192GB of RAM.
I like the ability to recycle DDR4 sticks, because at 32B each they still represent a bigger value than a typical Atom mainboard, but I wonder if 64GB DDR5 SO-DIMM sticks are a thing?
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Samus - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Powerful 7-watt 8-core x86 CPU. Finally getting competitive with ARM.chris.london - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
It costs $309 though.Samus - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Ouch. Yeah, Intel still being Intel...IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
And you believe that reflects reality at all?The previous gen top dog N6000 sold in $350 canadian dollar notebooks. That's not possible if the CPU is actually anywhere more than $100, nevermind $300.
name99 - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Not necessarily.All we know is the peak power, not how well it handles “most of the time”, either fully idle, or in ramping up to full speed and back.
For the sorts of designs that uses these chips, most battery life is about life when you’re not using the device (but it’s still alive, checking networks and so on).
lazybum131 - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
I'm optimistic that they're at least as good as Amber Lake-Y for battery life. The Surface Go 3 is hobbling along with that in the i3-10100y - 8th-gen Core architecture with only 2c/4t. The N300 with 8c/8t with similar clockspeeds and updated memory should blow that outta the water. A potential Surface Go 4 would be a big step up even without battery life improvements.lopri - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
6 cores at 3.8 GHz = 7W? I will believe it when I see it. Or is it "Up to" 3.8 GHz?dontlistentome - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
7w is TDP. That will boost to 30w+ at times. My 12th gen laptop will idle at 3w with the screen off but is nearly 40w when ragging just the 8 E cores. These will probably be less than that, but think 30w when it's busy.PeachNCream - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
I hope its not quite so horrible since the table lists the wattage while under "Turbo" implying that 6-15W is possibly peak consumption which implies passive cooling is realistic.thestryker - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
I'm mostly curious what sort of NUC style boxes will be put together using these. They appear to be using one of the newer IGP designs (based on connectivity/AV1 decode I'm guessing TGL) so they could make for a great low power HTPC type system.Farfolomew - Thursday, January 5, 2023 - link
Yes the AV1 decode is nice, but the picture says it only supports HDMI 2.0b, not 2.1. Thus no 8k@60/4k@120 which is a bummer. But otherwise, yes a great media consumption CPUthestryker - Thursday, January 5, 2023 - link
It's not the greatest choice, but you can get an active adapter for DP 1.4 to HDMI 2.1 which can help bridge some of that gap.brucethemoose - Sunday, January 29, 2023 - link
Unlike a NUC, a Android streaming box (or a smart TV) will get proper 4K HDR streams from services, and output proper HDR and surround sound from self hosted streaming services. TVs have largely taken over the post processing part of the job. There are few niches where local GPU upscaling/post processing low res local content may turn out slightly better, but those niches are getting smaller every year.Hence (other than gaming in dGPU boxes) I don't really understand what people are doing with expensive HTPCs anymore.
TomWomack - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
What socket do these plug into? Can I put one into a lowest-end H610 motherboard?thestryker - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Historically these have only come in embedded form so I doubt this will be any different. A quick look at Intel's Ark confirms they're only listed for mobile.1_rick - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Someone in China may eventually strap one of these onto a small PCB that effectively converts to LGA-1800 so it can be used in a motherboard--it's happened before.thestryker - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
I assume we'll see custom NUCs out of China with them much earlier than that would occur. As long as you don't need expansion ports these should be quite good.HideOut - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Beelink should have one prontomeacupla - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
These ultra low power models typically end up in NUC-like mini-PCs, or they get sold as SBCs (Single Board Computer)stanleyipkiss - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
One of these, but with the 96 EU Xe Graphics would be amazing. Even in 10-15 watts envelope would be enough to make it fanless. I would buy 3.nandnandnand - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Well, it doesn't exist so you would have to aim for i7-1250u instead.Zeratul56 - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
The XPS 13 2-in-1 Laptop is about the only fanless windows tablet that came out this generation and has that processor.brucethemoose - Sunday, January 29, 2023 - link
Yeah, the lack of IGP-heavy designs (other than Van Gogh, the Steam Deck chip) is tragic.Oxford Guy - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
'Intel's claims look to surpass its previous Jasper Lake models, such as the N6000, out of the water.'Anoldnewb2 - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
In the water, it doesn’t surpass much. I’ve seen that happen with my laptop and a spilled cop of tea.sutamatamasu - Tuesday, January 3, 2023 - link
Finally, 8 low power CPU for low-end laptop with good ISP.evolucion8 - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
Isn't something new, AMD had the 4700U CPU which was a CPU that could be used with a PPT of 10W, or 15W or 25W and was very powerful.IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, January 4, 2023 - link
Let me repeat what he said:Low power, LOW END laptop....
Arnulf - Thursday, January 5, 2023 - link
What does "7W TDP" for i3-N300 actually mean, is this still within the realm of passive cooling? I know 7W of dissipation would certainly be but with Intel being Intel "7W TDP" is probably more like 30-40W dissipation under sustained CPU load?What is the idle power for this CPU (board power minus RAM)?
Wereweeb - Sunday, February 5, 2023 - link
"7W TDP" means nothing, and your comment is also meaningless. Modern CPU's are designed to ramp as hard as possible given thermal headroom. If it's given passive cooling it'll go as hard as the cooling will allow it, and then throttle. If it's given an air cooler it'll go as hard as the air cooling allows it, or a power limit - whichever comes first.abufrejoval - Sunday, February 19, 2023 - link
If only those could also come with an inline ECC option at negligible cost!The 305 should be good enough to push out a Xeon D-1500 and quite a few G8 Sandy and Ivy Bridge servers I know still to be running in some obscure corner of our data center, except that those still pack 128 or 192GB of RAM.
I like the ability to recycle DDR4 sticks, because at 32B each they still represent a bigger value than a typical Atom mainboard, but I wonder if 64GB DDR5 SO-DIMM sticks are a thing?