I didn't ask which laptop he is using. I asked about a Computer. As for LGA socket CPU there are machines which exist. Area 51M, X170SM. MSI used to make but they abandoned because small market, DTR market basically.
Intel used to make Haswell rPGA machines after they saw the greed of BGA junk they switched. Still despite the CPU and GPU solder at-least the laptops have SSDs removable.
All we’re saying is you might not want to make fun of BGA/soldered stuff. Sockets are a tradeoff, always have been. It takes more effort to design compatible choices for the end user, and less efficient space usage contributes to higher latency and weaker benchmarks. All this is fine in a data center but a waste of $ for someone who never opens their case to upgrade stuff. Or think of Thunderbolt/USB as the socket. It’s no slouch these days. Or make fun of the SSD premium, or point out where x86 hides, like in both major consoles.
Just about every laptop has a BGA soldered CPU. Same for the GPU if it has one. Come to think of it, all the RAM on GPUs is soldered. I guess that's how they get so much bandwidth without higher latency. Think about that. Slotted RAM = higher, inferior latency!
Such junk that Apple is coming out with 512bit 8channel LDDR5 with 400GB/s bandwidth integrated SoC CPU running at 30W (faster than all Intel/AMD at the same power envelope), and GPU upto 60W (similar performance as 3080 running at 160w).
"Arm's focus for the future will be supplying the tools needed to help hardware and software developers develop AI systems in a quick and efficient manner"
So I guess the plain-vanilla embedded systems engineering that makes up the vast majority of ARM's volume is just chopped liver? Gotta chase that shiny object!
What kind of help would 'plain-vanilla embedded systems engineering' accept? They want to do everythng themselves. But we still hear stories of fridges and teddy bears being hacked. Arm are talking about making development safer faster and cheaper. Even if companies don't prioritize the safety they'll take note of the rest.
>11:25AM EDT - Simon thinks the combination of the two companies will be in a good position to tackle the future of AI
Sigh...if Arm couldn't reject Softbank's juicy valuation & deal, why would they reject NVIDIA?
I guess Arm wants to leave the "neutral, moderate income" arena and join the rest of Silicon Valley making billions. Arm (the ISA) is at real risk of the tragedy of the commons.
People: "apple just isn't innovative enough." Arm [holds a conference] Arm: "hey guys did you know we design cpus? Oh you knew? Well that was all we had to say today,take care"
It was a keynote speech and much more informative than most. What's eating you anyway? Apple was only mentioned by the author of the article not the speaker. And they mentioned a lot besides cpus. And why on earth would Apple want to dump the Arm instruction set? Besides which the talk mainly concentrated on microprocessors which use a different instruction set plus on AI and 5G and development tools for them..
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lemurbutton - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
x86 is dead. Sell your AMD stock. But buy Intel because they will be a big chip manufacturer and will move to RISCV.Silver5urfer - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
Are you typing this from an x86 computer ? If yes then it doesn't make any sense.lemurbutton - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
M1 baby.lemurbutton - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
I don't have a single x86 device in my home. ARM chips only.Teckk - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
The sample size for "x86 is dead" is astounding.Silver5urfer - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
Congrats on using inferior BGA soldered irreparable no backcompat junk then.Tabalan - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
Yeah, if he used Windows + Intel/AMD laptop he would have superior LGA socket CPU, rightSilver5urfer - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
I didn't ask which laptop he is using. I asked about a Computer. As for LGA socket CPU there are machines which exist. Area 51M, X170SM. MSI used to make but they abandoned because small market, DTR market basically.Intel used to make Haswell rPGA machines after they saw the greed of BGA junk they switched. Still despite the CPU and GPU solder at-least the laptops have SSDs removable.
Wrs - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
All we’re saying is you might not want to make fun of BGA/soldered stuff. Sockets are a tradeoff, always have been. It takes more effort to design compatible choices for the end user, and less efficient space usage contributes to higher latency and weaker benchmarks. All this is fine in a data center but a waste of $ for someone who never opens their case to upgrade stuff. Or think of Thunderbolt/USB as the socket. It’s no slouch these days. Or make fun of the SSD premium, or point out where x86 hides, like in both major consoles.Wrs - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
Just about every laptop has a BGA soldered CPU. Same for the GPU if it has one. Come to think of it, all the RAM on GPUs is soldered. I guess that's how they get so much bandwidth without higher latency. Think about that. Slotted RAM = higher, inferior latency!web2dot0 - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Such junk that Apple is coming out with 512bit 8channel LDDR5 with 400GB/s bandwidth integrated SoC CPU running at 30W (faster than all Intel/AMD at the same power envelope), and GPU upto 60W (similar performance as 3080 running at 160w).Total piece of junk LOL
dotjaz - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
And you used to be the single biggest AMD customer, so AMD can't survive without you?dotjaz - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
Sure iSlave.dotjaz - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
I don't know how stupid you are. AMD has been ahead of Intel for years in ISA. Apple's good days are behind them.SarahKerrigan - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
"Arm's focus for the future will be supplying the tools needed to help hardware and software developers develop AI systems in a quick and efficient manner"So I guess the plain-vanilla embedded systems engineering that makes up the vast majority of ARM's volume is just chopped liver? Gotta chase that shiny object!
Dmcq - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
What kind of help would 'plain-vanilla embedded systems engineering' accept? They want to do everythng themselves. But we still hear stories of fridges and teddy bears being hacked. Arm are talking about making development safer faster and cheaper. Even if companies don't prioritize the safety they'll take note of the rest.ikjadoon - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
>11:25AM EDT - Simon thinks the combination of the two companies will be in a good position to tackle the future of AISigh...if Arm couldn't reject Softbank's juicy valuation & deal, why would they reject NVIDIA?
I guess Arm wants to leave the "neutral, moderate income" arena and join the rest of Silicon Valley making billions. Arm (the ISA) is at real risk of the tragedy of the commons.
Karaqx - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
It'd be cool if arm were to be acquired by nvidia, this could lead apple to design a risc isa of their own...should be interesting...Karaqx - Tuesday, October 19, 2021 - link
People: "apple just isn't innovative enough."Arm [holds a conference]
Arm: "hey guys did you know we design cpus? Oh you knew? Well that was all we had to say today,take care"
Dmcq - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
It was a keynote speech and much more informative than most. What's eating you anyway? Apple was only mentioned by the author of the article not the speaker. And they mentioned a lot besides cpus. And why on earth would Apple want to dump the Arm instruction set? Besides which the talk mainly concentrated on microprocessors which use a different instruction set plus on AI and 5G and development tools for them..name99 - Wednesday, October 20, 2021 - link
He's not wrong that this was essentially content-free.Make excuses for that if you want, but this was a big nothing-burger.