I don't mind that too much. What I do mind is the price. An i5 with 16 GB of ram should start at $1000 I think. Then you could get an external GPU and have a small but powerful OS X machine at a reasonable cost. Oh well. Guess I will stick with a windows.
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I've always been a fan of the Mac mini design, but never owned one myself. Why? Too little power for too much money. Being small just isn't enough to justify the cost, but I always saw the potential for PCs to get smaller and thought we were trending in that direction.
It's now been 15 years since the first mini was released (had to look that up)! It's shocking to me that things have not improved. It actually seems like it's trended towards being more expensive and lagging further behind in technology.
I don't need systems to be as small as possible, but would love to see better platforms for systems that are smaller than what I've been using my entire life.
Unfortunately, companies build products that makes them "the most profit". But hey, what does Apple know about their customers. Those damn people have no idea how to run a business to make money.
I love how $150 memory upgrade over the stock 8GB costs $600 and a $200 SSD upgrade over the stock 512GB also costs $600...
That isn't even accounting for the net savings from removing the old components...8GB is worth $30-$40 and a 512GB NVMe drive is worth $60-$70.
Considering these machines are not upgradable it's hard to justify spending over $1000 on something without future-proofing it with 32GB RAM (which is useless now for most demographics of this machine) but storage is incredibly important because of the way MacOS has sloppy management of iTunes and Photo libraries outside of the user folder (not on the system drive)
And they know it which is why they were pushing their very creative fusion drive for so long. I'm glad to see them go full solid-state but the bend-me-over pricing is absurd.
Nobody needs these with maxed out storage anyway. If the internal ssd gets fucked, all your data is gone and the macmini is basically trash, so people just plug in external usb3 or thunderbolt SSD and just keep OS on the internal drive and no data.
Wow, just wow. What a jerk move to not even use an M.2 NVME slot for the SSD. There is absolutely no reason in the world that the floorplan of the board wouldn't have handled a short M.2 slot. While there aren't as many options in that length, there ARE options there at least.
I can't help but wonder, wouldn't Apple have been better served by using a platform based around the Ryzen 3200g/3400g and maybe even the Athlon 3000, or, going with mobile products, the 3700u/h, 3500u/h, and 3300u? Substantially better graphics support is the low hanging fruit. 8 threads on the top end 3400g/3700u/h outdoes the i7. Yes, the 3200g/3500u/h would have been slower on the CPU side than the i5, but the increase in graphics performance more than makes up for it. The i3 would be a bit faster than the Athlon 3000, but, the 3300u would have been on par, and both would still have had better graphics. All of the Ryzen products offer more storage performance as well.
apple is in the business of fleecing retards, so onboard non removable storage makes complete sense.
they're also in the business of making shit that works (for a very narrow definition of "works", anyway) which means AMD-based shit is out of the question.
If you need MacOS, buy a new old stock iMac for $900. You get a Bluetooth keyboard, mouse, a crappy hard drive and a 4k display. You then go and buy a portable SSD and load MacOS on it, not from that drive and use the internal POS drive as a backup.
1k spent that way gets you a MUCH better desktop system.
You've gotta be a rube to buy these mini's. Terrible value.
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quiksilvr - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link
What a lazy update. They didn't even update the CPUs to 10th gen nor the WiFi module to WiFi 6.ingwe - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link
I don't mind that too much. What I do mind is the price. An i5 with 16 GB of ram should start at $1000 I think. Then you could get an external GPU and have a small but powerful OS X machine at a reasonable cost. Oh well. Guess I will stick with a windows.rnalsation - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link
10th Gen desktop, nice joke.pamelaajames22 - Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - link
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I've always been a fan of the Mac mini design, but never owned one myself. Why? Too little power for too much money. Being small just isn't enough to justify the cost, but I always saw the potential for PCs to get smaller and thought we were trending in that direction.It's now been 15 years since the first mini was released (had to look that up)! It's shocking to me that things have not improved. It actually seems like it's trended towards being more expensive and lagging further behind in technology.
I don't need systems to be as small as possible, but would love to see better platforms for systems that are smaller than what I've been using my entire life.
jeremyshaw - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link
First search result: Intel NUC. There, I "looked things up."star-affinity - Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - link
Speaking of thermals – The NUC seems to a master at overheating when pushing it. I have a NUC7 myself.patel21 - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link
Exactly, Nobody would have even cared if the new mac mini was 0.5 inch taller to provide enough oomph to the coolingweb2dot0 - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link
Unfortunately, companies build products that makes them "the most profit". But hey, what does Apple know about their customers. Those damn people have no idea how to run a business to make money.Samus - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link
I love how $150 memory upgrade over the stock 8GB costs $600 and a $200 SSD upgrade over the stock 512GB also costs $600...That isn't even accounting for the net savings from removing the old components...8GB is worth $30-$40 and a 512GB NVMe drive is worth $60-$70.
Considering these machines are not upgradable it's hard to justify spending over $1000 on something without future-proofing it with 32GB RAM (which is useless now for most demographics of this machine) but storage is incredibly important because of the way MacOS has sloppy management of iTunes and Photo libraries outside of the user folder (not on the system drive)
And they know it which is why they were pushing their very creative fusion drive for so long. I'm glad to see them go full solid-state but the bend-me-over pricing is absurd.
rnalsation - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link
The RAM is upgradeable, the SSD and CPU are not.timecop1818 - Friday, March 20, 2020 - link
Nobody needs these with maxed out storage anyway. If the internal ssd gets fucked, all your data is gone and the macmini is basically trash, so people just plug in external usb3 or thunderbolt SSD and just keep OS on the internal drive and no data.hanselltc - Friday, March 20, 2020 - link
No Ice Lake, no AX? lelAdditionalPylons - Friday, March 20, 2020 - link
The CPUs used are more powerful than Ice Lake. Ice Lake for desktop hasn't launched yet.lightningz71 - Friday, March 20, 2020 - link
Wow, just wow. What a jerk move to not even use an M.2 NVME slot for the SSD. There is absolutely no reason in the world that the floorplan of the board wouldn't have handled a short M.2 slot. While there aren't as many options in that length, there ARE options there at least.I can't help but wonder, wouldn't Apple have been better served by using a platform based around the Ryzen 3200g/3400g and maybe even the Athlon 3000, or, going with mobile products, the 3700u/h, 3500u/h, and 3300u? Substantially better graphics support is the low hanging fruit. 8 threads on the top end 3400g/3700u/h outdoes the i7. Yes, the 3200g/3500u/h would have been slower on the CPU side than the i5, but the increase in graphics performance more than makes up for it. The i3 would be a bit faster than the Athlon 3000, but, the 3300u would have been on par, and both would still have had better graphics. All of the Ryzen products offer more storage performance as well.
This was just incredibly low effort...
timecop1818 - Friday, March 20, 2020 - link
apple is in the business of fleecing retards, so onboard non removable storage makes complete sense.they're also in the business of making shit that works (for a very narrow definition of "works", anyway) which means AMD-based shit is out of the question.
Blackbeantaquitos - Friday, March 20, 2020 - link
Another "update". Lol. Here's what you do....If you need MacOS, buy a new old stock iMac for $900. You get a Bluetooth keyboard, mouse, a crappy hard drive and a 4k display. You then go and buy a portable SSD and load MacOS on it, not from that drive and use the internal POS drive as a backup.
1k spent that way gets you a MUCH better desktop system.
You've gotta be a rube to buy these mini's. Terrible value.