Sounds like its probably a higher clocked SD735, which should hopefully have a couple of A76 based cores in it. Im so sick of the distance between Qualcomm's flagship chip and their :mid-range". Last year we finally saw a couple of larger CPU cores in their top mid-range SOCs, but they also seemed to fail to get them into many devices. The GPUs below the flagship have always been tiny too. They need to create something half the size of the flagship SOC compute components instead of a quarter or less. Hopefully this will get some design wins, though i suspect with 5G they are aiming much higher in cost then "mid-range". It just seems someone along the pipeline has been greedy and it always seemed to be silcon size from Qualcomm. All that said, im not one of their device partners and dont know all the die sizes or whole prices.
We will know all of this tomorrow but as the Snapdragon 730 and 730G already have Cortex-A76 and A55 cores (2 x A76 big/out-of-order and 6 x A55 little/in-order cores, all modestly clocked) I would wager that the 765 and 765G follow the same general outline but update the big cores to Cortex-A77s.
I imagine that the 765 is being launched in response to a very strong Exynos 980 showing from Samsung, which looks mighty compelling as evidenced by Vivo's turn to Exynos. In that case, the 765 would have to be updated to the A77 to be competitive.
Agreed about this. They also have far too much variation in the 600 series, too - they seem to be the most popular and can have markedly different performance characteristics from each other despite similar numbering. Which is better - 632 or 652? 670 or 675? Some of them have 700-series performance levels, others are closer to 400 series. There's no clear way to tell which are newer, or which particular features Qualcomm decided to cut back for cost saving purposes.
As someone who often helps people with phone purchases, it's maddening. I have to pop by Wikipedia every time someone asks about a new phone model to tell whether it has one of the "good" 600 series chips, or one of the ones that's basically an amped-up 400 series.
In don't think there is any mystery about what the 'G' stands for. It stands for 'Elite Gaming' or simply 'Gaming' and the Snapdragon 765G, no doubt, will have a slightly souped-up version of the Adreno 620 GPU just as the Snapdragon 730G had a faster clocked version of the Adreno 618 GPU.
I am guessing higher speeds. I really don't care about the mmWave tech, it is so stuffed with possible issues (rain, leaves, glass, everything can ruin the signal) that it is not worth the hassle other than in the crowded metropolitan areas where, maybe it could give you better speeds with many users in parallel. Otherwise, 5G with LTE bands sounds like the right thing to do and we can see the other modem manufacturers choosing to implement mainly non mmWave, so yeah. If Mediatek solution (dimensity 1000) is more efficient than 765G, I think it has big chances to get a fairly big chunk from Qualcomm's clients.
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danielfranklin - Tuesday, December 3, 2019 - link
Sounds like its probably a higher clocked SD735, which should hopefully have a couple of A76 based cores in it.Im so sick of the distance between Qualcomm's flagship chip and their :mid-range".
Last year we finally saw a couple of larger CPU cores in their top mid-range SOCs, but they also seemed to fail to get them into many devices. The GPUs below the flagship have always been tiny too.
They need to create something half the size of the flagship SOC compute components instead of a quarter or less. Hopefully this will get some design wins, though i suspect with 5G they are aiming much higher in cost then "mid-range".
It just seems someone along the pipeline has been greedy and it always seemed to be silcon size from Qualcomm.
All that said, im not one of their device partners and dont know all the die sizes or whole prices.
ChrisGX - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
We will know all of this tomorrow but as the Snapdragon 730 and 730G already have Cortex-A76 and A55 cores (2 x A76 big/out-of-order and 6 x A55 little/in-order cores, all modestly clocked) I would wager that the 765 and 765G follow the same general outline but update the big cores to Cortex-A77s.bug77 - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
Either that, or improved fab process and (slightly) higher clocks.Spunjji - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
They joy with Qualcomm is that it could be either, or both - or neither!WPX00 - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
I imagine that the 765 is being launched in response to a very strong Exynos 980 showing from Samsung, which looks mighty compelling as evidenced by Vivo's turn to Exynos. In that case, the 765 would have to be updated to the A77 to be competitive.ChrisGX - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
Well, your wagering was better than mine. Good to see other SoC innovations, however.Spunjji - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
Agreed about this. They also have far too much variation in the 600 series, too - they seem to be the most popular and can have markedly different performance characteristics from each other despite similar numbering. Which is better - 632 or 652? 670 or 675? Some of them have 700-series performance levels, others are closer to 400 series. There's no clear way to tell which are newer, or which particular features Qualcomm decided to cut back for cost saving purposes.As someone who often helps people with phone purchases, it's maddening. I have to pop by Wikipedia every time someone asks about a new phone model to tell whether it has one of the "good" 600 series chips, or one of the ones that's basically an amped-up 400 series.
ChrisGX - Tuesday, December 3, 2019 - link
In don't think there is any mystery about what the 'G' stands for. It stands for 'Elite Gaming' or simply 'Gaming' and the Snapdragon 765G, no doubt, will have a slightly souped-up version of the Adreno 620 GPU just as the Snapdragon 730G had a faster clocked version of the Adreno 618 GPU.ksec - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
So apart from Integration , what's the difference between X52 and X55?yeeeeman - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
I am guessing higher speeds.I really don't care about the mmWave tech, it is so stuffed with possible issues (rain, leaves, glass, everything can ruin the signal) that it is not worth the hassle other than in the crowded metropolitan areas where, maybe it could give you better speeds with many users in parallel. Otherwise, 5G with LTE bands sounds like the right thing to do and we can see the other modem manufacturers choosing to implement mainly non mmWave, so yeah. If Mediatek solution (dimensity 1000) is more efficient than 765G, I think it has big chances to get a fairly big chunk from Qualcomm's clients.
heffeque - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
Either way, it's great to see that both X52 and X55 bring 5G SA (standalone). Al previous SnapDragon chips came with non-standalone 5G at best.haukionkannel - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
Most likely the more expensive can stream at multible channels at the same time. 4+4? Or something like that and 52 maybe one or two at the same time.