Workstation class ANYTHING is often much higher pricing as they have to GUARANTEE spec/performance/quality of calculations compared to "normal" things
this is why (less you not aware) Nvidia, Intel, Apple, IBM etc etc etc charge often times much much more than this for workstation / professional environment directed products.
That being said, it is not "significantly" more expensive either, considering how much they HAVE TO back it up to their end clientele
many things go hand in hand with this, usually far tighter binning practises as well as much longer time in regards to drivers / firmware and the like.
That being said, AMD is very well known overall for how excellent their pro GPU and overall product stack has been overall definitely vs their direct competition and/or general "marketplace"
$399 for normal XT, the same but their anniversary edition is MSRP $499 so, $300 more truly is a drop in the bucket for the intended client
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look at other offerings (do the homework) really is NOT that expensive.
not to mention 5 display ports as well as a USB-c connector, all of which add to the BOM costs
IMO really not that bad, very likely even the shroud and the cooling fan being used are that much higher quality as well (AMD does not cheap out on voltage regulators/capacitors unlike others in the field either)
ECC error correction code, is a "default" for GDDR5 (as well as 5x and 6) but very basic level, it is meant to correct error in the bits that the GPU processes, i.e so the result is what it should be as much as possible, the higher the speed the more potential bits are corrupted or errored, which can mean driver crash, improper calculations (not a terrible thing for consumer level hardware, can be wicked terrible for pro level things, think financial sector or nuclear simulations, one bit "wrong" can be life of death to the tune of 100s of thousands/millions/billions down the road.
Ask the other "massive companies" such as Intel or Nvidia they seem to "slush it off" as no big deal (to us outside looking in) reality is likely they sweat bullets when they hear of such things and wait for Legal recourse they hope never comes as it can sink a corporation, it can and it has.
ECC is a very good thing to have, provided it is done properly and as "perfectly" as it can be done.
as far as at a hardware spec, would have to ask a product engineer and/or someone deep in better knowledge than most folks can otherwise claim to be privy to
it is along those line "in a nut shell" based on my knowledge over years (I am far from flawless knowledge so not a professional anything)
From what I remember, to use ECC on GDDR5 not only do you need some extra circuitry, but it takes a little bit of the capacity away. ECC is, however, native on HBM, which is why AMD's cards on the list in this article which use HBM have ECC. I am not sure how it is with GDDR6.
Also, almost no one buying that W5700 will need ECC. ECC is important for scientific calculations. People doing workstation graphics don't need to worry about the odd error cropping up.
Agree, they usually and often are MUCH better built, even if it looks "not any better" person below this, probably not the quietest thing out there, usually noise is the very last thing they "care about" when quality/durability is the "key" behind the lock sort of speak.
have the fan not off one end (like usually is) helps pressure therefore cooling ability HUGE...most pro cards I have seen offset the fan not at all for looks, but raw performance reasons (they do not want mega failures in the field) especially for a workstation/pro level anything ..
less you are NVDA (or Intel) and can BS your way out of mega damages from something that should be repeating the proper result (which you paid big bucks for) over and over and over again.
granted that is not cooling related, but still applies similar train of though :)
I am really waiting for an equivalent of a dual Radeon VII, RDNA architecture and HBM, liquid-cooled. It will be amazing for video editing/grading (DaVinci). It was just a dream a few weeks ago but considering NVidia will go chiplet or something similar, I have hope
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DanNeely - Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - link
The 'AMD Workstation Card Specification Comparison' table misidentifies the W5700 as a W7100Silma - Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - link
Pretty expensive compared to the AMD Radeon 5700 XT.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - link
Workstation class ANYTHING is often much higher pricing as they have to GUARANTEE spec/performance/quality of calculations compared to "normal" thingsthis is why (less you not aware) Nvidia, Intel, Apple, IBM etc etc etc charge often times much much more than this for workstation / professional environment directed products.
That being said, it is not "significantly" more expensive either, considering how much they HAVE TO back it up to their end clientele
many things go hand in hand with this, usually far tighter binning practises as well as much longer time in regards to drivers / firmware and the like.
That being said, AMD is very well known overall for how excellent their pro GPU and overall product stack has been overall definitely vs their direct competition and/or general "marketplace"
$399 for normal XT, the same but their anniversary edition is MSRP $499
so, $300 more truly is a drop in the bucket for the intended client
----
look at other offerings (do the homework) really is NOT that expensive.
not to mention 5 display ports as well as a USB-c connector, all of which add to the BOM costs
IMO really not that bad, very likely even the shroud and the cooling fan being used are that much higher quality as well (AMD does not cheap out on voltage regulators/capacitors unlike others in the field either)
(^.^)
lilkwarrior - Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - link
AMD known for what? Nvidia ownes > 70% of the workstation market.kallinteris - Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - link
since it does not have ECC can someone explain to me what are the hardware difference between this and a rx 5700 (consumer equivalent card )Dragonstongue - Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - link
Dragon response to the queryECC error correction code, is a "default" for GDDR5 (as well as 5x and 6) but very basic level, it is meant to correct error in the bits that the GPU processes, i.e so the result is what it should be as much as possible, the higher the speed the more potential bits are corrupted or errored, which can mean driver crash, improper calculations (not a terrible thing for consumer level hardware, can be wicked terrible for pro level things, think financial sector or nuclear simulations, one bit "wrong" can be life of death to the tune of 100s of thousands/millions/billions down the road.
Ask the other "massive companies" such as Intel or Nvidia they seem to "slush it off" as no big deal (to us outside looking in) reality is likely they sweat bullets when they hear of such things and wait for Legal recourse they hope never comes as it can sink a corporation, it can and it has.
ECC is a very good thing to have, provided it is done properly and as "perfectly" as it can be done.
as far as at a hardware spec, would have to ask a product engineer and/or someone deep in better knowledge than most folks can otherwise claim to be privy to
it is along those line "in a nut shell" based on my knowledge over years
(I am far from flawless knowledge so not a professional anything)
(^.^)
Yojimbo - Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - link
From what I remember, to use ECC on GDDR5 not only do you need some extra circuitry, but it takes a little bit of the capacity away. ECC is, however, native on HBM, which is why AMD's cards on the list in this article which use HBM have ECC. I am not sure how it is with GDDR6.Also, almost no one buying that W5700 will need ECC. ECC is important for scientific calculations. People doing workstation graphics don't need to worry about the odd error cropping up.
Karl.Princl - Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - link
Hi Ryan,Could you confirm if the W5700; or any of its siblings, provide SR-IOV support?
Thus far; the only AMD card I've confirmed for DDA (GPU Passthrough) in Windows 2019 Hyper-V is their Radeon Pro V340.
Thanks!
https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2018-08-26-n...
tipoo - Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - link
God I love their Pro shrouds. Much rather this design than gamer-bling.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - link
Agree, they usually and often are MUCH better built, even if it looks "not any better" person below this, probably not the quietest thing out there, usually noise is the very last thing they "care about" when quality/durability is the "key" behind the lock sort of speak.have the fan not off one end (like usually is) helps pressure therefore cooling ability HUGE...most pro cards I have seen offset the fan not at all for looks, but raw performance reasons (they do not want mega failures in the field) especially for a workstation/pro level anything ..
less you are NVDA (or Intel) and can BS your way out of mega damages from something that should be repeating the proper result (which you paid big bucks for) over and over and over again.
granted that is not cooling related, but still applies similar train of though :)
satai - Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - link
The basic spec and price looks nice but the cooling solution makes me doubtful about noise.ballsystemlord - Sunday, November 24, 2019 - link
@ryan What's the fp64 support on these cards like? You didn't even mention it on the consumer Navi GPUs.umano - Monday, November 25, 2019 - link
I am really waiting for an equivalent of a dual Radeon VII, RDNA architecture and HBM, liquid-cooled.It will be amazing for video editing/grading (DaVinci). It was just a dream a few weeks ago but considering NVidia will go chiplet or something similar, I have hope