Historically, this is the 20th anniversary of the original IGP__the "Intel 810 Chipset" for the Socket 370 (and Slot 1) processors. Both Chipzillah and DAAMIT have come a long way over the years with their 'integrated' graphics and video ASICs ...
Now what I would want is a 15W Ice Lake with a 15 inch screen. Why are all the options of high quality notebooks for bigger screens always something like a XPS 15 or Macbook Pro 16" which have way more power than needed? Can some one please tell Dell to give us a 15" 15W Ice Lake with XPS build quality "2 in 1". With Linux options perferably. I want more screen but I do not want a dedicated GPU (optimus is a pain on linux) I also don't need a 45W CPU, a notebooks that stays quiet is much better.
A quick search for 15W TDP CPUs in 15"+ laptops with 2736x1824+ resolution shows 39 options, Acer, Asus, Dell, Fujitsu, HP, LEnovo and MSI. Envy, Zenbook, Spectre, ZBook, Thinkpad, Lifebook, Prestige. Surely there is something for you? :) All laptops I've had with dedicated GPUs had the BIOS option to turn it off.
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One thing I would love to see added to benchmarks are the use of a GPU for game playing. It could be interesting to see gaming benchmarks for an external monitor and the dock.
It would be stupid to get the i3 version, But even that would be better than old XPS 13 2in1 with Y processor. But then again it is nice because it is fanless and in most cases you don't need the extra power - for word processing, internet and such.
This is far better option that Microsoft Surface X or any of the Windows for ARM paperweights
I think the i7 version of XPS 13 2in1 Ice Lake will out run the Surface Laptop 15 - and don't even bring up the Surface X ( Arm ) which is Microsoft Zune of Laptops. I had the original Surface Pro 1, and even though last years versions are nice, Microsoft has really drop in my support.
It going to be interesting to see what Dell does with XPS 15 2in1, my guess is that it will have Xe graphics and upgraded Ice Lake chip.
Well you can go have you Windows for ARM piece of junk. As for Ryzen, it your choice just don't try to tell others that they should go for Ryzen also. I don't care if you go for AMD,. just don't try to tell me. People have the right to choose what they want to go.
HStewart " As for Ryzen, it your choice just don't try to tell others that they should go for Ryzen also " right after you dont tell people to go for intel. as you said, "People have the right to choose what they want to go. "
Ryzen is awesome in the desktop, workstation and server space. In mobile it's mediocre but on the rise. I have no hesitation recommending Ryzen for anyone outside of mobile. Anyone pushing Intel on the desktop while ignoring the alternative is performing a disservice to their friends/clients.
One thing that would be fun to see if i7 version of this XPS 13 2in1 compare to older generation, which it would be a total wash. But also the XPS 15 2in1 which I would think it would actually give a run for the money. To bad Intel does not have H versions of Ice Lake ready... maybe early 2020.
"It’s difficult to understate how important the XPS 13 is to Dell’s lineup, and to the industry as a whole."
You mean overstate here. The implication being, even if you use really grandiose language, it'd be difficult to overdo it. If something's importance is difficult to understate, you mean, you can hardly even find the words to describe how unimportant it is.
It’s difficult to understate how Dell could try to rip-off a 13” macbook pro and still fail after all these years. At least they managed to copy 16:10 screen aspect ratio... but look at these hideous bottom air ducts copied from a macbook - except that macbook hides them in a cutout in aluminium case.
> Ice Lake also brings some major improvements to wake from sleep, and finally brings the laptop into the same range as tablets and smartphones when waking them.
Is this benchmarkable? I'd love to see time-to-wake tested between laptops. It's a small, but vastly underrated improvement.
I move around w/ my laptop often and I'd love to see wake time quantified.
It'd be a good proxy benchmark for platform optimization, which (besides battery life & thermals) is hard to tease out.
I own one of these and have found the wake-up time (overnight for example) to be unremarkable. Perhaps it is going into hibernation? Could there be an incorrectly configured setting? thanks
That could be true: I thought, since these were "Project Athena" laptops, they'd have reliable wake-up times, but perhaps no?
The "back-end" is just a mess: the OS version + OS settings+ the hardware + the firmware + the drivers + 3rd party programs all muck around with wake-up time.
It could be, unfortunately, any one of those things. I'm sad to hear about your story, though, as that kind of variability was supposed to have ended with Project Athena (i.e., not easily disturbed by user settings).
The easy answer would be an older firmware? Does yours have the latest UEFI/BIOS version? Anandtech doesn't mention what version they're using.
Not really having that experience. It would be impossible to benchmark IMO as when I open the lid, it's awake. Even when I leave it shut overnight it seems to wake up instantly in the morning.
Thanks to Microsoft's inability to implement TB3 ports on the Surface Pro line, I've been very tempted to jump to Dell. This XPS looks like it checks all boxes for me except that the keyboard doesn't detach.
Another nice thing about Dell is that they don't start with a 128GB SSD and don't charge you $300 to move to 256GB for a drive that costs them less than $50.
I have original XPS 13 2in1 and the XPS 15 2in1 which I typing this - and also Samsung Tab Pro S (original) and would save going 2in1 is better than detachable.
Thanks Brett, this new ultraportable does sound tempting. In addition to my standard gripe about no removable battery (I know, I know, they're all like this nowadays), my other one is a question/wish: can this be had without the touchscreen, so just with a nice, bright (HDR?) display? I don't use touchscreens on laptops that have a passable keyboard and a decent touchpad, nor do I see the use of touchscreens there. Leaving out the touch layers tends to increase brightness and/or decrease power consumption to reach the same brightness level. If I had the choice, Dell can keep the price the same, and give me the next larger SSD size instead of touch.
This is a 2in1, it MUST have touch. They still make the normal XPS 13, in 1080p it doesnt have touch. Unfortnatly its just not IceLake, other than that its pretty similar to what you are after.
To add: Would love to see the display values for the MacBook)/ Air here. Apple machines are often seen as the benchmarks here, and it would be nice how the XPS measures up to them.
Was interested, then I checked the price and base specs. Holy moly dual core and 4GB memory, for $1400 Canadian. Ha ha... I definitely don't think they are making the right kind of progress with this laptop. Makes me want an ARM machine even more.
I have one of these with the 4k screen and 32GB. It's fantastic in almost every way. The one issue I'm hitting though is that occasionally (every few days) when I open the screen it does not power on. I can still hear things if I try to make it make a sound (tap around until Windows does something) but the screen won't turn on even after closing and reopening. Only a hard reboot fixes it.
Only issue I've had, hoping firmware or driver update fixes it. I forced it to use the Intel graphics drivers as well to see if the issue would go away, but no dice.
BTW, for those who don't want the Killer crapware, download the Intel AX200 drivers from Intel's site and force update the Killer WiFi to them. Nice, stable Intel drivers. I was having some weirdness on the network until I did that.
its too expensive at this point but there are blackfriday deals. If I am not wrong XPS 13 with 4K screen is $1400 at Costco with 16/512. Plus with costco you get 2 years warranty + 2 years additional warranty with costco visa card.
I used a 1920x1200 display for a decade and was very sad when it gave up the ghost and the only replacement options were 1080p screens. I hope 16:10 makes a comeback.
OTOH, a 4K display in a 13" device makes very little sense to me.
This is actually huge. Huawei & Microsoft couldn't move the 16:9-fanatics alone: I'm glad Dell did this.
Lenovo has forsaken their roots with their infatuation with 16:9 in 2019.
Color me surprised that Dell was first to commercialize user feedback into an actual product (i.e,. what Huawei, Microsoft, and Apple have known for the better part of a decade).
Really looking forward to this. It's not exactly apples to apples (eg, no 1980x1200 on the Spectre), but similar specs otherwise comes out cheaper. I'd love to know the difference once it's in someone's hands.
I'm largely left wondering what the heck the whole point of the AMD APU in the Surface Laptop 15 was, they pitched it as the best graphics performance "in this class" (comparing their 15" against the MBP 13"...), and it doesn't even distance itself from Ice Lakes IGP here.
Surely its all about next years model. They didnt have the 7nm and new arch this year, so they worked on the relationship and firmware. Once AMD can bring them a modern APU, hopefully it will all pay off! But for this year, CPU barely keeps with with Intel's old CPUs, GPU matches Intel's Icelake. So yeah, pointless right now.
I agree. AMD and Microsoft are establishing the relationship and the basic design. Next year we won't be comparing brand new Intel vs. 2 year old AMD in this space and it will be a very different result.
Not to say Intel didn't do great work on this, but we shouldn't forget this is a comparison between Intel's absolute top shelf CPU and AMD's mid-range. Ice Lake vs. R7 3870 will tell a different story.
1900x1200 makes a ton of sense (4k at 13" much less to my eyes), real CPU performance is better than Whiskey without draining the bottle, GPU performance is where I expected from a Skylake Iris 550 notebook I own, physical design sounds great... Perhaps I'd wait for a Lenovo variant, because I do type a lot.
With the higher-resolution, touch screen and a pen I'm not sure I'd ever be able to get it back from my daughter who can paint for hours even on a 6" mobile phone.
The most welcome surprise seemed the price: $1500 for 16GB and an i7 seems downright reasonable for what is most likely the current high-end.
Alas, when I went into the local (EU) configurator and added 32GB RAM, that added €1000 for what is essentially a €50 item (16 GB SO-DIMM). Sure it also added a 1TB NVME (€100 total or another €50 for the delta) and a 4k display I don't care about, but at that point I can't but call it the usual rip-off: I like my 4k at 42" and storage to be replacable.
So I'll hold back and onto my Lenovo S730 (16GB RAM, 1TB Samsung, AX200) for €1200 in May a little longer. That one also has an additional USB-C port in addition to the two Thunderbolts and that turns out to be really useful day-to-day, especially if your (mini) TB dock doesn't supply power, too.
But I note with satisfaction that at least in the mobile space Intel is still able to execute and I wish them well, while I won't remotely consider any Intel while there is Rome in the datacentre.
I think these are priced for the Business Market .. and its "car" pricing .. the base model is surprisingly cheap, but when you addd satnav,better wheels, heated sunroof, upgraded stereo , you've added 50% to the price. But 1000 bux for RAM is a trick learned from Apple. And where does this leave NVidia going forwrd? All their BAse(models) belong to us.
Soldered in Killer Wireless garbage again. Not buying another Dell ever until they switch that shit out. I don't care if its made by Intel these days as long as they keep promoting that retarded branding shit in their non-gamer laptops, they will not have my money.
Doesn't seem to be. It will tell you its the incorrect driver but once you force it it will install, and future driver updates via Intel's updater will pick them up and install without a question.
Yeah, that means it's a different PCI ID. Because if they were included in the intel driver inf that would install without forcing. Intel would prolly be PCI\VEN_8086*DEV_xxxx and killer stuff probably uses their own vendor ID. Anyway, I'm happy with my current gemcut spectre x360 which has better screen and keyboard than XPS 13 anyway.
I hear its a good laptop, it was on my list until I noticed it didn't have a 32GB of RAM option. They both appeal to slightly different requirements IMO and I'd recommend either depending on the user and what they need.
Funny true story. Our CEO got the old XPS and the wifi never worked. Got one of the sysadmins to look at it and he couldn't fix it and got fired. Unfortunately no one asked me first thing I do is replace with Intel modules and no problem.
I found the first paragraph revolting. The XPS13 never showed up in my laptop market reviews, so it certainly did not redefine the laptop landscape for me. Things I look for these days (and how this XPS13 fares):
A4 size (not wider than the keyboard): check non-glare display: check HDMI: fail VGA: fail Several USB-A ports (for mice and USB sticks): fail replaceable battery: probably fail (the review does not say; it should) buttons for the mousepad: fail 1920x1200: check
So I stick with my 2013-vintage Lenovo E130, which satisfies all the requirements except 1920x1200; and it cost only EUR 400 (plus the cost of replacing the HDD with an SSD).
On 4/8GB LPDDR4X models, the configuration should be Dual channel 32bit right? So it only provides half the bandwidth of the 16GB model which is quad channel 32bit But the iGPU only has 32EU so probably not a big problem
This is probably closer to the perfect laptop than any laptop has been before, but it absolutely just needs at least one USB Type A port. I'm just not carrying dongles around for every tiny basic device that I come across.
I've starting to look for a replacement of my ageing AMD A10, and this looks quite good. This said, today 4C/8T is the bare minimum, and 512GB of SSD too, so I am looking at> i7 / 16GB / 512GB - $1699.99+ Seems a bit steep, to be honest. The Dell Latitude 7400 series offers similar characteristics for less than 1500< I suppose it is heavier though. Still, it seems a bit pricey...
Did you see the Lenovo Flex 14 with AMD sponsored on Linus Tech Tips today?
$550 instead of $1000, double the GPU performance (i3 is in this model is not the G7 graphics one), double the CPU performance 4 vs 2 cores, 3 times the memory (12GB instead of 4GB lol Dell). Try that.
Maybe there was no Ryzen 7 laptop at hand that has been reviewed? They are not exactly common (well, maybe more common than Icelake laptops actually).
The real omission I find is not even _mentioning_ that on paper this Intel top-of-the-line iGPU should clearly loose out to AMDs top-of-the line Vega 10 - given the latter gets proper cooling. Now since in many laptops the Ryzen 7 Vega 10 does _not_ get enough cooling and throttles to performance levels at or below Ryzen 5 Vega 8 (think about HP Envy x360 for example), maybe the point is moot.
I guess this isn't charging as much of a premium as MS did for additional integrated storage, but did it really not warranty a mention in the downside part of the conclusion?
Great review with lots of details. I have an XPS13 9360 (non-2-in-1, 2017 vintage) and love it.
I would have mentioned that the USB-C charging means that one of the two USB-C ports is unavailable when charging, unless you also use a USB-C dock with power passthrough. (My 9360 can charge by USB-C but also has a dedicated barrel connector for charging.)
One minor nit is that the model number is, on at least the Final Thoughts page, given as 9370 when it should be 7390.
Fourth page "Gen 9.5 graphics, the core of which was first introduced back on Skylake all the way back in 2019" - 2019 doesn't seem to start so long ago to be "all the way back" :) I think you've meant 2015 here.
I use an older XPS13 for work now, and the keyboard is awful. This one sounds substantially worse. I simply won't buy a laptop with a bad keyboard if I can help it, so this Dell is off the list. I'm sticking with Lenovo, despite their many flaws, and the fact their keyboards have gone downhill. They're still better than the competition. If Dell would adopt a sensible keyboard (I don't need a slightly thinner laptop, thanks), I'd buy their product in a flash.
Not sure what to say to this one, the XPS13 keyboard is great in the ultrabook space. I agree the 2-in-1 takes getting used to and won't be everyone's cup of tea, but the standard XPS13 has one of the best keyboards I've ever used on an ultrabook.
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I find the Cinebench score highly suspicious. I could never reach the same score with my 7390 2-1. I think review units have been pre binned by Dell to spin positive reviews. My score in R15 is 671 in MT. I’ve also posted my performance issue here:
I really wanted to like this ultrabook, but I was ultimately disappointed because of the audible noise generated by the XPS13 2in1 7390. I purchased my first in early February and noticed the distinct "coil whine" sound when using the trackpad while the laptop was plugged in. Hoping that this was a one-off case that quality control missed, i returned it and ordered a second XPS13 in late February. Sadly, the second XPS13 had an even louder coil whine which was always audible, whereas the first laptop mostly did it while using the mouse on wall-power. Additionally, after watching a YouTube video, the fan turned on making a loud buzzing sound, and never turned off. Suffice to say, i returned the second and will not be attempting a third try.
Can anyone who owns this laptop verify these battery life results? I'm seeing Dell support and Reddit forum threads with many owners reporting less than 4 hours of battery life from the i7 model. This potential battery life issue is the only thing holding me back from picking one up.
I would NEVER buy a Dell product. When the XPS 15 9560 was purchased with on site service, it took six attempts to get it to work. Here are the parts replaced on just the last (sixth) attempt.
SERVICE REPORT REPLACEMENT PARTS No. Dell Part QTY Description Parts Retained by Customer 1 5R1JP 1 ASSY,CVR,BTM,W/BDG,9550 No 2 M0T6P 1 ASSY,PLMRST,W/FPR,80,9560 No 3 9TXK7 1 ADPT,AC,130W,DLTA,4.5,L6,V2,E5 No 4 RN699 1 ADPT,CON,VID,DNGL,DP2VGA,L No 5 64TM0 1 ASSY,CBL,DC-IN, 9550/5510 No 6 2JVNJ 1 CORD,PWR,125V,2.5A,1M,C5,E5,US No 7 5G0HC 1 ASSY,PWA,DTRBD,AUDIO,9560/5520 No
Old wounds, not healed only fester. I purchase two U3011s. Both suffered the same design defect. Dell replaced one but NOT the other, claiming "it was their policy to replace only one". Go figure. www.tinyurl.com/HellIsDell
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Teckk - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
That's a decent integrated graphics performance jump for Intel! Did Dell launch XPS 15 on Ice Lake as well?Smell This - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
""Unfortunately for the XPS 13, there’s currently an Intel GPU driver bug...""____________________________________________________________
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Teckk - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Yep, did read that. Other than that, surprisingly good performance for the historically not so popular IGP is what I meant.Smell This - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
I understand.
Historically, this is the 20th anniversary of the original IGP__the "Intel 810 Chipset" for the Socket 370 (and Slot 1) processors. Both Chipzillah and DAAMIT have come a long way over the years with their 'integrated' graphics and video ASICs ...
Ryan Smith - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
XPS 15 uses 45 watt (H-series) processors. Ice lake is only available for low-power U and Y series processors right now.dusk007 - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Now what I would want is a 15W Ice Lake with a 15 inch screen. Why are all the options of high quality notebooks for bigger screens always something like a XPS 15 or Macbook Pro 16" which have way more power than needed?Can some one please tell Dell to give us a 15" 15W Ice Lake with XPS build quality "2 in 1". With Linux options perferably. I want more screen but I do not want a dedicated GPU (optimus is a pain on linux) I also don't need a 45W CPU, a notebooks that stays quiet is much better.
Death666Angel - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
A quick search for 15W TDP CPUs in 15"+ laptops with 2736x1824+ resolution shows 39 options, Acer, Asus, Dell, Fujitsu, HP, LEnovo and MSI. Envy, Zenbook, Spectre, ZBook, Thinkpad, Lifebook, Prestige. Surely there is something for you? :) All laptops I've had with dedicated GPUs had the BIOS option to turn it off.grant3 - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
where could someone perform a search like this?TheinsanegamerN - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
www.google.comJBCIII - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
"Intel Core i5-1065G7". ark.intel.com lists no such i5 CPU. I think that you mean "i7-1065G7" as stated in the "as tested" notes.Ryan Smith - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Right you are. Thanks!charlyRM22 - Sunday, May 17, 2020 - link
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ingwe - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Ooh this looks great. I may have to get one...One thing I would love to see added to benchmarks are the use of a GPU for game playing. It could be interesting to see gaming benchmarks for an external monitor and the dock.
shabby - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
2 core + 4gb for $999? Pffft no.HStewart - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
It would be stupid to get the i3 version, But even that would be better than old XPS 13 2in1 with Y processor. But then again it is nice because it is fanless and in most cases you don't need the extra power - for word processing, internet and such.This is far better option that Microsoft Surface X or any of the Windows for ARM paperweights
Alistair - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
imo this is far worse than the Surface Laptop 15 (HUGE amazing tall screen for a low price, basically like a 17" 16:9) or the Surface XHStewart - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
I think the i7 version of XPS 13 2in1 Ice Lake will out run the Surface Laptop 15 - and don't even bring up the Surface X ( Arm ) which is Microsoft Zune of Laptops. I had the original Surface Pro 1, and even though last years versions are nice, Microsoft has really drop in my support.It going to be interesting to see what Dell does with XPS 15 2in1, my guess is that it will have Xe graphics and upgraded Ice Lake chip.
Alistair - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Well I'm going with the Surface Laptop instead. Wish me luck ;)Qasar - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
he would suggest the intel based laptop no matter what. so dont be too hurt, alistair :-)HStewart - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
Well you can go have you Windows for ARM piece of junk. As for Ryzen, it your choice just don't try to tell others that they should go for Ryzen also. I don't care if you go for AMD,. just don't try to tell me. People have the right to choose what they want to go.Korguz - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
HStewart " As for Ryzen, it your choice just don't try to tell others that they should go for Ryzen also " right after you dont tell people to go for intel. as you said, "People have the right to choose what they want to go. "Reflex - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
Ryzen is awesome in the desktop, workstation and server space. In mobile it's mediocre but on the rise. I have no hesitation recommending Ryzen for anyone outside of mobile. Anyone pushing Intel on the desktop while ignoring the alternative is performing a disservice to their friends/clients.HStewart - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
One thing that would be fun to see if i7 version of this XPS 13 2in1 compare to older generation, which it would be a total wash. But also the XPS 15 2in1 which I would think it would actually give a run for the money. To bad Intel does not have H versions of Ice Lake ready... maybe early 2020.lazarpandar - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
"It’s difficult to understate how important the XPS 13 is to Dell’s lineup, and to the industry as a whole."You mean overstate here. The implication being, even if you use really grandiose language, it'd be difficult to overdo it. If something's importance is difficult to understate, you mean, you can hardly even find the words to describe how unimportant it is.
not_anton - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
It’s difficult to understate how Dell could try to rip-off a 13” macbook pro and still fail after all these years. At least they managed to copy 16:10 screen aspect ratio... but look at these hideous bottom air ducts copied from a macbook - except that macbook hides them in a cutout in aluminium case.Reflex - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
Macbooks look like premium laptops from ten years ago. They long ago lost their lead in this space.ikjadoon - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
> Ice Lake also brings some major improvements to wake from sleep, and finally brings the laptop into the same range as tablets and smartphones when waking them.Is this benchmarkable? I'd love to see time-to-wake tested between laptops. It's a small, but vastly underrated improvement.
I move around w/ my laptop often and I'd love to see wake time quantified.
It'd be a good proxy benchmark for platform optimization, which (besides battery life & thermals) is hard to tease out.
tukkas - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
I own one of these and have found the wake-up time (overnight for example) to be unremarkable. Perhaps it is going into hibernation? Could there be an incorrectly configured setting? thanksikjadoon - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
That could be true: I thought, since these were "Project Athena" laptops, they'd have reliable wake-up times, but perhaps no?The "back-end" is just a mess: the OS version + OS settings+ the hardware + the firmware + the drivers + 3rd party programs all muck around with wake-up time.
It could be, unfortunately, any one of those things. I'm sad to hear about your story, though, as that kind of variability was supposed to have ended with Project Athena (i.e., not easily disturbed by user settings).
The easy answer would be an older firmware? Does yours have the latest UEFI/BIOS version? Anandtech doesn't mention what version they're using.
Reflex - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Not really having that experience. It would be impossible to benchmark IMO as when I open the lid, it's awake. Even when I leave it shut overnight it seems to wake up instantly in the morning.sorten - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Thanks to Microsoft's inability to implement TB3 ports on the Surface Pro line, I've been very tempted to jump to Dell. This XPS looks like it checks all boxes for me except that the keyboard doesn't detach.Another nice thing about Dell is that they don't start with a 128GB SSD and don't charge you $300 to move to 256GB for a drive that costs them less than $50.
HStewart - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
I have original XPS 13 2in1 and the XPS 15 2in1 which I typing this - and also Samsung Tab Pro S (original) and would save going 2in1 is better than detachable.Going Thunderbolt 3 is nice with the right dock.
stephenbrooks - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Storage seems subpar. I'd want 1TB if using this as a main machine.lazarpandar - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
4tb m2 pcie ssd are out and only $650 so you can have all that and more ;)JanW1 - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
No such luck. IIRC, there is no M.2 port on these. Both memory and SSD are soldered on-board and non-upgradeable.Reflex - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
The battery is replaceable but aside from that its all soldered down. No glue though, easy enough to open and service.Reflex - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
There is a 1TB and 32GB memory option.eastcoast_pete - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Thanks Brett, this new ultraportable does sound tempting. In addition to my standard gripe about no removable battery (I know, I know, they're all like this nowadays), my other one is a question/wish: can this be had without the touchscreen, so just with a nice, bright (HDR?) display? I don't use touchscreens on laptops that have a passable keyboard and a decent touchpad, nor do I see the use of touchscreens there. Leaving out the touch layers tends to increase brightness and/or decrease power consumption to reach the same brightness level. If I had the choice, Dell can keep the price the same, and give me the next larger SSD size instead of touch.danielfranklin - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
This is a 2in1, it MUST have touch.They still make the normal XPS 13, in 1080p it doesnt have touch.
Unfortnatly its just not IceLake, other than that its pretty similar to what you are after.
eastcoast_pete - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
To add: Would love to see the display values for the MacBook)/ Air here. Apple machines are often seen as the benchmarks here, and it would be nice how the XPS measures up to them.Alistair - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Was interested, then I checked the price and base specs. Holy moly dual core and 4GB memory, for $1400 Canadian. Ha ha... I definitely don't think they are making the right kind of progress with this laptop. Makes me want an ARM machine even more.Reflex - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
I have one of these with the 4k screen and 32GB. It's fantastic in almost every way. The one issue I'm hitting though is that occasionally (every few days) when I open the screen it does not power on. I can still hear things if I try to make it make a sound (tap around until Windows does something) but the screen won't turn on even after closing and reopening. Only a hard reboot fixes it.Only issue I've had, hoping firmware or driver update fixes it. I forced it to use the Intel graphics drivers as well to see if the issue would go away, but no dice.
BTW, for those who don't want the Killer crapware, download the Intel AX200 drivers from Intel's site and force update the Killer WiFi to them. Nice, stable Intel drivers. I was having some weirdness on the network until I did that.
Reflex - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
There was a new Intel graphics driver release yesterday, updated so will see if the screen wake issue goes away.Reflex - Tuesday, November 26, 2019 - link
If anyone is still reading this, it's been more than a week and this issue hasn't recurred so Intel must have fixed it.trivik12 - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
its too expensive at this point but there are blackfriday deals. If I am not wrong XPS 13 with 4K screen is $1400 at Costco with 16/512. Plus with costco you get 2 years warranty + 2 years additional warranty with costco visa card.Samus - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
16:10 OMG!!!The_Assimilator - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
IKR?I used a 1920x1200 display for a decade and was very sad when it gave up the ghost and the only replacement options were 1080p screens. I hope 16:10 makes a comeback.
OTOH, a 4K display in a 13" device makes very little sense to me.
ikjadoon - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
This is actually huge. Huawei & Microsoft couldn't move the 16:9-fanatics alone: I'm glad Dell did this.Lenovo has forsaken their roots with their infatuation with 16:9 in 2019.
Color me surprised that Dell was first to commercialize user feedback into an actual product (i.e,. what Huawei, Microsoft, and Apple have known for the better part of a decade).
ToTTenTranz - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Will you guys have the new Spectre 13 X360 with a 4K AMOLED display?It's a heavy competitor to the XPS 13 due to the new chassis with much smaller bezels, and it's also using Ice Lake.
Beltendu - Thursday, November 21, 2019 - link
Really looking forward to this. It's not exactly apples to apples (eg, no 1980x1200 on the Spectre), but similar specs otherwise comes out cheaper. I'd love to know the difference once it's in someone's hands.tipoo - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
I'm largely left wondering what the heck the whole point of the AMD APU in the Surface Laptop 15 was, they pitched it as the best graphics performance "in this class" (comparing their 15" against the MBP 13"...), and it doesn't even distance itself from Ice Lakes IGP here.danielfranklin - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Surely its all about next years model.They didnt have the 7nm and new arch this year, so they worked on the relationship and firmware.
Once AMD can bring them a modern APU, hopefully it will all pay off!
But for this year, CPU barely keeps with with Intel's old CPUs, GPU matches Intel's Icelake. So yeah, pointless right now.
tipoo - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Perhaps. I had been hoping this would be a debut 7nm AMD part, but the 12nm APU leaves me whelmed.Alistair - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
AMD CPU and GPU is faster for the money. The GPU reviewed here is for the top model, the $1500 model.Alistair - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
the i3 and i5 models have less than half the speedskavi - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
The Surface Laptop 3 13.5" uses G7 graphics in the base model, which is $200 less than the base 15".Alistair - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
And if you want the 15" with the same processor it is $100 more? You are comparing two different laptops, not just two different processors.sorten - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
I agree. AMD and Microsoft are establishing the relationship and the basic design. Next year we won't be comparing brand new Intel vs. 2 year old AMD in this space and it will be a very different result.skavi - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Unless AMD changes their APU strategy, it's still going to to an year old.dr.denton - Sunday, November 17, 2019 - link
Not to say Intel didn't do great work on this, but we shouldn't forget this is a comparison between Intel's absolute top shelf CPU and AMD's mid-range. Ice Lake vs. R7 3870 will tell a different story.1_rick - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
"the now very long in the tooth Gen 9.5 graphics, the core of which was first introduced back on Skylake all the way back in 2019. "Mmm, yeah, it's practically antediluvian.
ghanz - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Yeah, it should be 2016... A typo I guess. Almost like a modern day GMA950 by now.skavi - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
what power settings were used for battery life testing? The same as for performance testing?Brett Howse - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Optimized + Best Battery Life on Windowsskavi - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
thanks!29a - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
It would be nice to see video conversion benchmarks ran on the iGPU/ASIC, this is something that needs to be added to reviews.Brett Howse - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Great suggestion I'll add that test.abufrejoval - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
First impression: This sure doesn't disappoint!1900x1200 makes a ton of sense (4k at 13" much less to my eyes), real CPU performance is better than Whiskey without draining the bottle, GPU performance is where I expected from a Skylake Iris 550 notebook I own, physical design sounds great... Perhaps I'd wait for a Lenovo variant, because I do type a lot.
With the higher-resolution, touch screen and a pen I'm not sure I'd ever be able to get it back from my daughter who can paint for hours even on a 6" mobile phone.
The most welcome surprise seemed the price: $1500 for 16GB and an i7 seems downright reasonable for what is most likely the current high-end.
Alas, when I went into the local (EU) configurator and added 32GB RAM, that added €1000 for what is essentially a €50 item (16 GB SO-DIMM). Sure it also added a 1TB NVME (€100 total or another €50 for the delta) and a 4k display I don't care about, but at that point I can't but call it the usual rip-off: I like my 4k at 42" and storage to be replacable.
So I'll hold back and onto my Lenovo S730 (16GB RAM, 1TB Samsung, AX200) for €1200 in May a little longer. That one also has an additional USB-C port in addition to the two Thunderbolts and that turns out to be really useful day-to-day, especially if your (mini) TB dock doesn't supply power, too.
But I note with satisfaction that at least in the mobile space Intel is still able to execute and I wish them well, while I won't remotely consider any Intel while there is Rome in the datacentre.
MASSAMKULABOX - Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - link
I think these are priced for the Business Market .. and its "car" pricing .. the base model is surprisingly cheap, but when you addd satnav,better wheels, heated sunroof, upgraded stereo , you've added 50% to the price. But 1000 bux for RAM is a trick learned from Apple.And where does this leave NVidia going forwrd? All their BAse(models) belong to us.
IntelUser2000 - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
I'm suspicious of Anandtech's battery life tests for laptops.This is the only review where it doesn't regress and does significantly better than the Whiskey Lake generation.
Icelake does really well on idle but on actual usage like web browsing it plummets. Perhaps its time for them to update their tests.
yeeeeman - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Phoronix review of the same laptops gets to the conclusion that ice lake is more power efficient than 14nm parts in both idle and heavy use.timecop1818 - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Soldered in Killer Wireless garbage again. Not buying another Dell ever until they switch that shit out. I don't care if its made by Intel these days as long as they keep promoting that retarded branding shit in their non-gamer laptops, they will not have my money.Reflex - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Literally just install the Intel AX200 drivers. Took me 5 mins and works great.timecop1818 - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
PCI IDs are different, no?Reflex - Sunday, November 17, 2019 - link
Doesn't seem to be. It will tell you its the incorrect driver but once you force it it will install, and future driver updates via Intel's updater will pick them up and install without a question.timecop1818 - Sunday, November 17, 2019 - link
Yeah, that means it's a different PCI ID. Because if they were included in the intel driver inf that would install without forcing. Intel would prolly be PCI\VEN_8086*DEV_xxxx and killer stuff probably uses their own vendor ID. Anyway, I'm happy with my current gemcut spectre x360 which has better screen and keyboard than XPS 13 anyway.Reflex - Sunday, November 17, 2019 - link
I hear its a good laptop, it was on my list until I noticed it didn't have a 32GB of RAM option. They both appeal to slightly different requirements IMO and I'd recommend either depending on the user and what they need.Alistair - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Funny true story. Our CEO got the old XPS and the wifi never worked. Got one of the sysadmins to look at it and he couldn't fix it and got fired. Unfortunately no one asked me first thing I do is replace with Intel modules and no problem.timecop1818 - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
These have been soldered in for the last 2 or so generations of XPS.Alistair - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
oh really? I was referring to an XPS 15 in which it is removable, didn't know they soldered for the XPS 13 (which is a bad laptop honestly).villageboy - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Stylus?AntonErtl - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
I found the first paragraph revolting. The XPS13 never showed up in my laptop market reviews, so it certainly did not redefine the laptop landscape for me. Things I look for these days (and how this XPS13 fares):A4 size (not wider than the keyboard): check
non-glare display: check
HDMI: fail
VGA: fail
Several USB-A ports (for mice and USB sticks): fail
replaceable battery: probably fail (the review does not say; it should)
buttons for the mousepad: fail
1920x1200: check
So I stick with my 2013-vintage Lenovo E130, which satisfies all the requirements except 1920x1200; and it cost only EUR 400 (plus the cost of replacing the HDD with an SSD).
Eris_Floralia - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
On 4/8GB LPDDR4X models, the configuration should be Dual channel 32bit right? So it only provides half the bandwidth of the 16GB model which is quad channel 32bitBut the iGPU only has 32EU so probably not a big problem
IntelUser2000 - Sunday, November 17, 2019 - link
You can also get the i7 with 8GB RAM. Anandtech isn't showing all the configurations.And not necessarily, if the manufacturer wishes they can get 128-bit width out of the 4GB chips. That's what Apple did with the iPad.
isthisavailable - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
The i3 and i5 are the verions with "G1" GPUs so basically, this is a $1500 laptop. Also, no USB Type-A, no buy.yetanotherhuman - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
This is probably closer to the perfect laptop than any laptop has been before, but it absolutely just needs at least one USB Type A port. I'm just not carrying dongles around for every tiny basic device that I come across.yankeeDDL - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
I've starting to look for a replacement of my ageing AMD A10, and this looks quite good.This said, today 4C/8T is the bare minimum, and 512GB of SSD too, so I am looking at>
i7 / 16GB / 512GB - $1699.99+
Seems a bit steep, to be honest. The Dell Latitude 7400 series offers similar characteristics for less than 1500< I suppose it is heavier though. Still, it seems a bit pricey...
Alistair - Saturday, November 16, 2019 - link
Did you see the Lenovo Flex 14 with AMD sponsored on Linus Tech Tips today?$550 instead of $1000, double the GPU performance (i3 is in this model is not the G7 graphics one), double the CPU performance 4 vs 2 cores, 3 times the memory (12GB instead of 4GB lol Dell). Try that.
penev91 - Sunday, November 17, 2019 - link
Why test it against the Ryzen 5 and not Ryzen 7 with Vega 10?JanW1 - Monday, December 2, 2019 - link
Maybe there was no Ryzen 7 laptop at hand that has been reviewed? They are not exactly common (well, maybe more common than Icelake laptops actually).The real omission I find is not even _mentioning_ that on paper this Intel top-of-the-line iGPU should clearly loose out to AMDs top-of-the line Vega 10 - given the latter gets proper cooling.
Now since in many laptops the Ryzen 7 Vega 10 does _not_ get enough cooling and throttles to performance levels at or below Ryzen 5 Vega 8 (think about HP Envy x360 for example), maybe the point is moot.
hanselltc - Sunday, November 17, 2019 - link
I guess this isn't charging as much of a premium as MS did for additional integrated storage, but did it really not warranty a mention in the downside part of the conclusion?sbl780 - Sunday, November 17, 2019 - link
Great review with lots of details. I have an XPS13 9360 (non-2-in-1, 2017 vintage) and love it.I would have mentioned that the USB-C charging means that one of the two USB-C ports is unavailable when charging, unless you also use a USB-C dock with power passthrough. (My 9360 can charge by USB-C but also has a dedicated barrel connector for charging.)
One minor nit is that the model number is, on at least the Final Thoughts page, given as 9370 when it should be 7390.
chrkv - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
Fourth page "Gen 9.5 graphics, the core of which was first introduced back on Skylake all the way back in 2019" - 2019 doesn't seem to start so long ago to be "all the way back" :) I think you've meant 2015 here.Evil Underlord - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
"Complimenting Intel’s CPU upgrades for Ice Lake is an even more extensive upgrade on the GPU side of matters."Complimenting the CPU sounds easy enough - it does well in tests. Complementing it, though, that doesn't seem to go so well.
#GrammarPedantsForTheWin
Evil Underlord - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
This sounds great! But...I use an older XPS13 for work now, and the keyboard is awful. This one sounds substantially worse. I simply won't buy a laptop with a bad keyboard if I can help it, so this Dell is off the list. I'm sticking with Lenovo, despite their many flaws, and the fact their keyboards have gone downhill. They're still better than the competition. If Dell would adopt a sensible keyboard (I don't need a slightly thinner laptop, thanks), I'd buy their product in a flash.
Good job on the display ratio, though - at last.
Reflex - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
Not sure what to say to this one, the XPS13 keyboard is great in the ultrabook space. I agree the 2-in-1 takes getting used to and won't be everyone's cup of tea, but the standard XPS13 has one of the best keyboards I've ever used on an ultrabook.svan1971 - Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - link
more like the icelake thaweth.coopar128 - Monday, November 25, 2019 - link
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Eastman - Tuesday, November 26, 2019 - link
I find the Cinebench score highly suspicious. I could never reach the same score with my 7390 2-1. I think review units have been pre binned by Dell to spin positive reviews. My score in R15 is 671 in MT. I’ve also posted my performance issue here:https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/dekl8k/dell...
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I really wanted to like this ultrabook, but I was ultimately disappointed because of the audible noise generated by the XPS13 2in1 7390. I purchased my first in early February and noticed the distinct "coil whine" sound when using the trackpad while the laptop was plugged in. Hoping that this was a one-off case that quality control missed, i returned it and ordered a second XPS13 in late February. Sadly, the second XPS13 had an even louder coil whine which was always audible, whereas the first laptop mostly did it while using the mouse on wall-power. Additionally, after watching a YouTube video, the fan turned on making a loud buzzing sound, and never turned off. Suffice to say, i returned the second and will not be attempting a third try.chadrandom - Thursday, May 7, 2020 - link
Can anyone who owns this laptop verify these battery life results? I'm seeing Dell support and Reddit forum threads with many owners reporting less than 4 hours of battery life from the i7 model. This potential battery life issue is the only thing holding me back from picking one up.loyalty54 - Thursday, June 4, 2020 - link
https://surveydetails131499288.wordpress.com/2020/...iq100 - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link
I would NEVER buy a Dell product.When the XPS 15 9560 was purchased with on site service, it took six attempts to get it to work.
Here are the parts replaced on just the last (sixth) attempt.
SERVICE REPORT
REPLACEMENT PARTS
No. Dell Part QTY Description Parts Retained by Customer
1 5R1JP 1 ASSY,CVR,BTM,W/BDG,9550 No
2 M0T6P 1 ASSY,PLMRST,W/FPR,80,9560 No
3 9TXK7 1 ADPT,AC,130W,DLTA,4.5,L6,V2,E5 No
4 RN699 1 ADPT,CON,VID,DNGL,DP2VGA,L No
5 64TM0 1 ASSY,CBL,DC-IN, 9550/5510 No
6 2JVNJ 1 CORD,PWR,125V,2.5A,1M,C5,E5,US No
7 5G0HC 1 ASSY,PWA,DTRBD,AUDIO,9560/5520 No
Old wounds, not healed only fester. I purchase two U3011s. Both suffered the same design defect. Dell replaced one but NOT the other, claiming "it was their policy to replace only one". Go figure.
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