The brightness and HDR capabilities are completely separate from the resolution.
I love "Retina" screen resolutions, where you can set your OS to 150-200% and have text be ultra-crisp.
But at 17", 4K is overkill even for that. 2.5K would be sufficient, 3K would be "as good as it needs to be." A 17" at 1920x1080 (or 2x "Retina" 4K) just has things too small for reasonable use. I had a 17" 1080p laptop for work, and I needed to put it at 125% or 150% to read anything. The 3200 x 1800 resolution used on some smaller Dells would (to me) be perfect on a 17" - run at 200% "1800x900 effective" resolution.
For me, the 4K sweet spot is 21-28" desktop monitors. Bigger than that, and I want more than 4K, smaller than that, and even 200% mode makes things too small. But, maybe my eyes are starting to get old...
> I had a 17" 1080p laptop for work, and I needed to put it at 125% or 150% to read anything.
Then you're fucking blind. And, more importantly, if you had to 150% scale on a 1080p and were still able to do your "work" that clearly means whatever your workflow is, it will have no benefit from higher resolution. There are PLENTY of use cases for 4K on 17" (my current laptop is 4K @ 13, previous was 4K @ 15), and I have no issues with seeing stuff and I absolutely do appreciate higher resolution for the kind of work I do on the laptop.
And you are fucking rude and a self-centered cunt.
Not everyone's eyesight is the same, not everyone's workflow is the same, not everyone's preferences or perception of ergonomics are the same. Just because something suits YOU that doesn't mean every manufacturer and consumer must bow to your choices.
People are different, so is the gear they buy. Try to pull your head out of your millennial self-centered arse.
The reason to have "overkill" is integer scaling. I use 4K at 14" with 200% scaling and display elements are just the right size. If things are too small for you, 300% is also usable. But of course it's not comparable to desktop monitors since those sit further away.
I currently have 14" Laptop, but being a developer working from home, I would love a 17" laptop so that I can use it without monitor in a cafe or when I am out.
A 17" Laptop has so much potential of being a productive machine with humongous battery life and best cooling. If only some company launches a 17" which would use the real estate it has to its full potential.
You're thinking micro vs mini LED. Micro is the end-game, basically OLED but way brighter, less power, etc. Mini LED allows for much smaller local dimming zones which helps with things like blooming, etc.
Mini-LED has the potential to get mainstream displays to around ~1000 dimming zones.
Micro-LED are much smaller, approaching the size of pixels. For giant TVs they can serve as them directly similar to OLED; for conventional sized displays they're still too small but can push the number of dimming zones up massively. Innolux has a 32" 4k panel with 1,000,000 dimming zones under development; that corresponds to roughly 3x3 pixel dimming zones using microLEDs about 4.5x as large (area) as in Samsungs 75" 4k tv.
Even with 1,000 local dimming zones, each LED still covers ~8,300 pixels, causing blooming artifacts on edges with large differences in brightness.
LG's 2019 OLED TVs don't have this problem, and support 4K120 input and variable refresh rates (FreeSync) with reasonably low input lag (~7ms for 120Hz, ~14ms for 60Hz), though they're limited to 1440p120 for sources that don't explicitly support HDMI 2.1.
Yes, basically. The larger the panel, the harder it is to get uniform backlighting from edge-mounted led strips, so they figure if they fill the back of the LCD panel with a bunch of small leds and diffuse them, the backlighting becomes more uniform. And then they figured if all these leds are there, why not make them individually controllable to reduce actual light output when something with dark areas is shown on the screen. And this is how FALD (Full Array Local Dimming) came to life.
"Officially, this one is called a ‘large size gaming display’ and could easily compete against NVIDIA’s BFGDs sold by ASUS and HP when it is available."
What does this mean ? NVIDIA doesn't make any screens that I'm aware of.
That doesn't make them "NVIDIA's" BFGD's. That just means they are advertised on NVIDIA's webpage because they come with GSync and Shield streaming technology (whatever that is).
The displays are part of nVidia’s Big Format Gaming Display program. The display controller and smart TV hardware are made by nVidia. They have a fair bit of involvement in the design of the display.
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vladx - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
The 17" display is a great solution since many gaming notebooks with RTX 2080 only come with crappy 1080p displays.Papaspud - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
You don't need 4k for 17" screen, way too much heat and power to drive them, but to each his own.vladx - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
I respectfully disagree, especially since this one has 1000 nits which is perfect for HDR gamingCharonPDX - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
The brightness and HDR capabilities are completely separate from the resolution.I love "Retina" screen resolutions, where you can set your OS to 150-200% and have text be ultra-crisp.
But at 17", 4K is overkill even for that. 2.5K would be sufficient, 3K would be "as good as it needs to be." A 17" at 1920x1080 (or 2x "Retina" 4K) just has things too small for reasonable use. I had a 17" 1080p laptop for work, and I needed to put it at 125% or 150% to read anything. The 3200 x 1800 resolution used on some smaller Dells would (to me) be perfect on a 17" - run at 200% "1800x900 effective" resolution.
For me, the 4K sweet spot is 21-28" desktop monitors. Bigger than that, and I want more than 4K, smaller than that, and even 200% mode makes things too small. But, maybe my eyes are starting to get old...
timecop1818 - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
> I had a 17" 1080p laptop for work, and I needed to put it at 125% or 150% to read anything.Then you're fucking blind. And, more importantly, if you had to 150% scale on a 1080p and were still able to do your "work" that clearly means whatever your workflow is, it will have no benefit from higher resolution. There are PLENTY of use cases for 4K on 17" (my current laptop is 4K @ 13, previous was 4K @ 15), and I have no issues with seeing stuff and I absolutely do appreciate higher resolution for the kind of work I do on the laptop.
Arnulf - Sunday, September 1, 2019 - link
And you are fucking rude and a self-centered cunt.Not everyone's eyesight is the same, not everyone's workflow is the same, not everyone's preferences or perception of ergonomics are the same. Just because something suits YOU that doesn't mean every manufacturer and consumer must bow to your choices.
People are different, so is the gear they buy. Try to pull your head out of your millennial self-centered arse.
akvadrako - Sunday, September 1, 2019 - link
The reason to have "overkill" is integer scaling. I use 4K at 14" with 200% scaling and display elements are just the right size. If things are too small for you, 300% is also usable. But of course it's not comparable to desktop monitors since those sit further away.patel21 - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
I currently have 14" Laptop, but being a developer working from home, I would love a 17" laptop so that I can use it without monitor in a cafe or when I am out.A 17" Laptop has so much potential of being a productive machine with humongous battery life and best cooling. If only some company launches a 17" which would use the real estate it has to its full potential.
quorm - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
So I take it mini LED backlighting is different from a straight up mini LED panel, like what Samsung demoed? Or are they basically the same tech?mckirkus - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
You're thinking micro vs mini LED. Micro is the end-game, basically OLED but way brighter, less power, etc. Mini LED allows for much smaller local dimming zones which helps with things like blooming, etc.Lolimaster - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
For minilef to be effective you need zones in the 10000s not just 1000zones.DanNeely - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
The LED size, and AFAIK how they're made.Mini-LED has the potential to get mainstream displays to around ~1000 dimming zones.
Micro-LED are much smaller, approaching the size of pixels. For giant TVs they can serve as them directly similar to OLED; for conventional sized displays they're still too small but can push the number of dimming zones up massively. Innolux has a 32" 4k panel with 1,000,000 dimming zones under development; that corresponds to roughly 3x3 pixel dimming zones using microLEDs about 4.5x as large (area) as in Samsungs 75" 4k tv.
Guspaz - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
Even with 1,000 local dimming zones, each LED still covers ~8,300 pixels, causing blooming artifacts on edges with large differences in brightness.LG's 2019 OLED TVs don't have this problem, and support 4K120 input and variable refresh rates (FreeSync) with reasonably low input lag (~7ms for 120Hz, ~14ms for 60Hz), though they're limited to 1440p120 for sources that don't explicitly support HDMI 2.1.
jeremyshaw - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
I see you got suckered by the kool-aid, too. Freesync =/= HDMI VRR, so none of that for the 2019 LG OLEDs.Lolimaster - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
I like Hisense approach using a 2nd black and white lcd layer.Thud2 - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
IWhy do these [anels need local dimming? Is this an array of 2,000 LED's used as a backlight for an LCD panel?timecop1818 - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
Yes, basically. The larger the panel, the harder it is to get uniform backlighting from edge-mounted led strips, so they figure if they fill the back of the LCD panel with a bunch of small leds and diffuse them, the backlighting becomes more uniform. And then they figured if all these leds are there, why not make them individually controllable to reduce actual light output when something with dark areas is shown on the screen. And this is how FALD (Full Array Local Dimming) came to life.Kvaern1 - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
"Officially, this one is called a ‘large size gaming display’ and could easily compete against NVIDIA’s BFGDs sold by ASUS and HP when it is available."What does this mean ? NVIDIA doesn't make any screens that I'm aware of.
timecop1818 - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
It means exactly that. ASUS and HP make 65" 4K screens. And NVidia links to them from their site: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/big-...Kvaern1 - Saturday, August 31, 2019 - link
That doesn't make them "NVIDIA's" BFGD's. That just means they are advertised on NVIDIA's webpage because they come with GSync and Shield streaming technology (whatever that is).Guspaz - Saturday, August 31, 2019 - link
The displays are part of nVidia’s Big Format Gaming Display program. The display controller and smart TV hardware are made by nVidia. They have a fair bit of involvement in the design of the display.Kvaern1 - Saturday, August 31, 2019 - link
By that logic every display which has GSync is an NVIDIA display.lilkwarrior - Friday, August 30, 2019 - link
They need to diversify their options by having MicroLED at minimum at this point; especially if they're forgoing OLED