It looks like those screen ratios could fit with no change to the chassis. While that's not the case here it's easy to see why someone might want them without the microaggressions...
it solves the issue of having a poorly placed webcam, with no downside. Who cares if the top bezel is a little thicker if the total bezel is going to be the same regardless? Now if the argument was to get rid of the bottom bezel for a 16:10 screen or something that'd be different, this is just shifting where the screen actually is
Yes, it's webcam placement that I suggest can be adjusted without changing the overall area of the bezel to put the webcam in a less "up-the-nose" location. ^.^
bottom of the screen has a large bezel to house the hinge that mounts the screen to the base. I'm no laptop designer so I'm not an expert and I'm probably using the wrong terminology here but, if you don't have a long enough mounting bracket for the hinge, the stress put on the screen in that area would be very high. You need it to be long enough so that that stress is spread out.
The screen at the top also improves ergonomics (apart from when using the webcam), as your eyes don't have to look down as much, or you'll buckle your neck down a bit less. Not a bad choice for such tiny machines & screens.
How about a 13.3" laptop at less than 1.8 pounds (788gr), with proper webcam, and full 15w i7 with 16GB RAM? With all the full ports and USB C charging from anything, including smartphone chargers and powerbanks? That's my Samsung Notebook 9.
man this is a 13.3" ultrabook, not a gaming laptop, it's thinner than the macbook pro and lighter than even the 12" macbook, there is absolutely no room for an Ethernet port (the usb A take 100% of the thikness of the laptop). How many current ultrabook have an Ethernet port? None. So you don't know what an ultrabook is... This is not a desktop replacement, if you want more ports go with a bigger notebook. By modern ultrabook standard, having 2 USB A, one full size HDMI, one USB C (plus headphone, microsd and charging port) is quite impressive these days, when the lightest laptops have only usb c ports, and surface pros only one USB A and minidisplay...). Let alone a keyboard with 1.5mm travel...
Keep in mind this is both previous generation CPU 7th and not 8th and that it is also fanless and not a quad core U processor. My guess is intel with skip 8th generation with Y series and go directly to 9th with 10nm. It also possible that with 10nm, the U series will be fanless.
FYI Samsung notebooks have a silent mode toggle, that makes the laptop silent by throttling the CPU and GPU. I don't know if in silent mode it's faster than a Y processor, but I think it gives you the choice. Personally I can't stand fan noise at all. So for me it must either be fanless (and there are even fanless 8th gen quad cores) or have a silent mode...
I actually own a Samsung Galaxy TabPro S - Windows 10 12in tablet - I also have Dell XPS 13 2in1 - like both form factors - but I think the 2in1 is better.
I personally pretty big into Samsung Tablets - have a Galaxy Tab S - like it so much purchase a S3
Your Samsung Notebook 9 looks like a very nice 2in1 and much better than this NEC - I still think later this year when 10nm are expected to come out will be time to upgrade.
I just can't wait to see what happens with the Y series and 10nm. We can only guess what is coming up next - my guess is Quad core with 24hr battery life - Intel is not going to let the threats of Windows on Qualcomm hold them down.
I personally like the Y series - they are quite and give enough power - even to run applications like Photoshop - and Microsoft Office. Not every one needs extremely powerful GPU for gaming.
The early review of the Qualcomm laptop doesn't get 24 hour battery life, and neither is a 10nm Intel chip, unless they get gaming laptop sized batteries.
10nm Intel chips will improve battery life, but not because of the process. Rather, it'll be due to things like McIVR, and improved component selection. Skylake has been a downgrade from Broadwell due to not using IVR, but starting with Cannonlake they will use it again. The 300 series chipsets should also improve battery life due to better integration of components like the CNVi WiFi.
Is it safe to assume these will never see a North American release? It looks terrible, especially the bottom bezel and hinge; the spacebar is too small; and the specs are embarrassing for the price. It make a lot of compromises to be slightly smaller and lighter than similar laptops.
It's not really lighter than LG gram series - it has 15.6" screen, Kaby rake R CPU, dual ram slots and SSD slots, large battery and weighs around 1000gr.
It gets them out of the way of the keyboard. Like most ultrabooks it's too thin to put the ports under the keyboard,and at 12.5" wide vs 13.3" it means you either need to squash the keyboard slightly or move the ports somewhere other than beside the keyboard. You only really have room for 1 full size (USB-A/HDMI) or 2 small (USB-C, audio) ports on a side behind the keyboard, more than that either need to go in front of the keyboard, around the back or on the front edge.
Notice that there is an extra key on the bottom row. This is the common layout in Japan. If they want to ship this to anywhere else, they would have to change it to ANSI/ISO layout which has longer space bar (comparing to JIS layout used in Japan).
Yeah don't worry, nobody in Japan buys this NEC trash either. Overpriced, completely useless, and I've never seen any business people with NEC gear. It's usually panasonic with those round mousepads. NEC just makes shit to put on retail shelves where they collect dust while everyone walks by them into apple junk section and buys an ancient fagbook air.
IMO for the "specs" that to me is very expensive, core i whatever let alone celeron based, $700 tops would be a little bit nicer seeing as there are many competing options having a larger screen similar spec that also end up costing less, not sure what to make of this, likely that 12 hour "use" mens screen at like 40% brightness and only doing basic tasks.
Would be awesome if a maker chose to rate the battery life rating based on full load full bright type deal, least there would be ways to conserve the power to get better life vs the other side of the coin having no real wiggle room to maintain the battery while still using it at an acceptable level.
The makers just need to use a larger cell battery to begin with, cool they want to make it thin and light, not cool when they do not seem to last very long in the process ^.^
That's pretty common for computer brands in Japan; overpriced, fairly good quality but feature lacking stuff.
Non-Japanese brands outside of Apple are quite hard to find and even harder to get support for. All this junk probably comes out of the same factories in China...
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PeachNCream - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
There's a really big bezel below the screen. Why not move the screen down within the bezel and then put the webcam up higher?CheapSushi - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
That solves what? Then you have a bigger bezel on top and a big bezel below. This is much better.hybrid2d4x4 - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
Or better still, stop using 16:9 displays and use 16:10 or 3:2.Hurr Durr - Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - link
Why would they want to use a dying format or a niche one?lazarpandar - Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - link
It looks like those screen ratios could fit with no change to the chassis. While that's not the case here it's easy to see why someone might want them without the microaggressions...thesavvymage - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
it solves the issue of having a poorly placed webcam, with no downside. Who cares if the top bezel is a little thicker if the total bezel is going to be the same regardless? Now if the argument was to get rid of the bottom bezel for a 16:10 screen or something that'd be different, this is just shifting where the screen actually isPeachNCream - Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - link
Yes, it's webcam placement that I suggest can be adjusted without changing the overall area of the bezel to put the webcam in a less "up-the-nose" location. ^.^lazarpandar - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
bottom of the screen has a large bezel to house the hinge that mounts the screen to the base. I'm no laptop designer so I'm not an expert and I'm probably using the wrong terminology here but, if you don't have a long enough mounting bracket for the hinge, the stress put on the screen in that area would be very high. You need it to be long enough so that that stress is spread out.lazarpandar - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
This is why for almost all slim-bezel laptops we still see a big bottom bezel.Flunk - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
Don't forget the LCD driver, it either needs to be behind the screen or under it.MrSpadge - Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - link
The screen at the top also improves ergonomics (apart from when using the webcam), as your eyes don't have to look down as much, or you'll buckle your neck down a bit less. Not a bad choice for such tiny machines & screens.digiguy - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
How about a 13.3" laptop at less than 1.8 pounds (788gr), with proper webcam, and full 15w i7 with 16GB RAM? With all the full ports and USB C charging from anything, including smartphone chargers and powerbanks? That's my Samsung Notebook 9.Hurr Durr - Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - link
Proclaiming an ethernet-deprived notebook with only 2 actually useful USBs as "all the full ports" machine is ridiculous even for a shill like you .digiguy - Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - link
man this is a 13.3" ultrabook, not a gaming laptop, it's thinner than the macbook pro and lighter than even the 12" macbook, there is absolutely no room for an Ethernet port (the usb A take 100% of the thikness of the laptop). How many current ultrabook have an Ethernet port? None. So you don't know what an ultrabook is... This is not a desktop replacement, if you want more ports go with a bigger notebook. By modern ultrabook standard, having 2 USB A, one full size HDMI, one USB C (plus headphone, microsd and charging port) is quite impressive these days, when the lightest laptops have only usb c ports, and surface pros only one USB A and minidisplay...). Let alone a keyboard with 1.5mm travel...nerd1 - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
So totally eclipsed by new samsung notebook 9 pen, which has larger screen (13.3"), built in wacom EMR pen and vastly better processor (Kaby Lake R)HStewart - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
Keep in mind this is both previous generation CPU 7th and not 8th and that it is also fanless and not a quad core U processor. My guess is intel with skip 8th generation with Y series and go directly to 9th with 10nm. It also possible that with 10nm, the U series will be fanless.digiguy - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
FYI Samsung notebooks have a silent mode toggle, that makes the laptop silent by throttling the CPU and GPU. I don't know if in silent mode it's faster than a Y processor, but I think it gives you the choice. Personally I can't stand fan noise at all. So for me it must either be fanless (and there are even fanless 8th gen quad cores) or have a silent mode...HStewart - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
I actually own a Samsung Galaxy TabPro S - Windows 10 12in tablet - I also have Dell XPS 13 2in1 - like both form factors - but I think the 2in1 is better.I personally pretty big into Samsung Tablets - have a Galaxy Tab S - like it so much purchase a S3
Your Samsung Notebook 9 looks like a very nice 2in1 and much better than this NEC - I still think later this year when 10nm are expected to come out will be time to upgrade.
HStewart - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
I just can't wait to see what happens with the Y series and 10nm. We can only guess what is coming up next - my guess is Quad core with 24hr battery life - Intel is not going to let the threats of Windows on Qualcomm hold them down.I personally like the Y series - they are quite and give enough power - even to run applications like Photoshop - and Microsoft Office. Not every one needs extremely powerful GPU for gaming.
IntelUser2000 - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
The early review of the Qualcomm laptop doesn't get 24 hour battery life, and neither is a 10nm Intel chip, unless they get gaming laptop sized batteries.10nm Intel chips will improve battery life, but not because of the process. Rather, it'll be due to things like McIVR, and improved component selection. Skylake has been a downgrade from Broadwell due to not using IVR, but starting with Cannonlake they will use it again. The 300 series chipsets should also improve battery life due to better integration of components like the CNVi WiFi.
cfenton - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
Is it safe to assume these will never see a North American release? It looks terrible, especially the bottom bezel and hinge; the spacebar is too small; and the specs are embarrassing for the price. It make a lot of compromises to be slightly smaller and lighter than similar laptops.nerd1 - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
It's not really lighter than LG gram series - it has 15.6" screen, Kaby rake R CPU, dual ram slots and SSD slots, large battery and weighs around 1000gr.shabby - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
Doesn't look like they're aiming for north america at all, usb and sdcard reader in the back? Who does that?!?DanNeely - Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - link
It gets them out of the way of the keyboard. Like most ultrabooks it's too thin to put the ports under the keyboard,and at 12.5" wide vs 13.3" it means you either need to squash the keyboard slightly or move the ports somewhere other than beside the keyboard. You only really have room for 1 full size (USB-A/HDMI) or 2 small (USB-C, audio) ports on a side behind the keyboard, more than that either need to go in front of the keyboard, around the back or on the front edge.mr_tawan - Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - link
Notice that there is an extra key on the bottom row. This is the common layout in Japan. If they want to ship this to anywhere else, they would have to change it to ANSI/ISO layout which has longer space bar (comparing to JIS layout used in Japan).timecop1818 - Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - link
Yeah don't worry, nobody in Japan buys this NEC trash either. Overpriced, completely useless, and I've never seen any business people with NEC gear. It's usually panasonic with those round mousepads. NEC just makes shit to put on retail shelves where they collect dust while everyone walks by them into apple junk section and buys an ancient fagbook air.iwod - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
Well if NEC is charging this price I can see why Macbook wont hit the $999 marks this year.peterfares - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
Who else is sick of webcams placed below the screen? Just remove it if you're going to put it there, it's useless.Santoval - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
Expensive, *way* too expensive for what they offer.ssnitrousoxide - Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - link
Whoever designed and approved the nosecam should be sentenced to 30 years of hard labor in Siberia.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - link
IMO for the "specs" that to me is very expensive, core i whatever let alone celeron based, $700 tops would be a little bit nicer seeing as there are many competing options having a larger screen similar spec that also end up costing less, not sure what to make of this, likely that 12 hour "use" mens screen at like 40% brightness and only doing basic tasks.Would be awesome if a maker chose to rate the battery life rating based on full load full bright type deal, least there would be ways to conserve the power to get better life vs the other side of the coin having no real wiggle room to maintain the battery while still using it at an acceptable level.
The makers just need to use a larger cell battery to begin with, cool they want to make it thin and light, not cool when they do not seem to last very long in the process ^.^
Tams80 - Friday, February 2, 2018 - link
That's pretty common for computer brands in Japan; overpriced, fairly good quality but feature lacking stuff.Non-Japanese brands outside of Apple are quite hard to find and even harder to get support for. All this junk probably comes out of the same factories in China...