T1000 was mimetic polyalloy Terminator capable of altering its form and appearance. T850 were more primitive but very sturdy machines. To top the T1000 you will only need to use the T3000 the humanoid nano cyborg. Plus NV cant power T1000. Those dGPU are enormous, you need nano structures. GPU doesnt scale down, but up.
Pretty sure that's in the past. There are at least one or two sentient computer AI's out there guiding corporate behaviors that otherwise just don't make a lot of sense.
Well NVIDIA has shown off "Demo" cards that had "drywall" screws in them, that were mockups but they told the press that it was a real card....The Press Relations people at NVIDIA aren't to be taken seriously since the SEC states that lying by a company on the stock market, is a pretty serious offense. Especially during times where the CEO have stock trades like lets say the CEO sold a thousand shares the week after he lied, that's a pretty big crime. NVIDIA also has certain modes in software that detect when a benchmark is taking place and clock up higher(since they know its a short period of time), but these days every company Samsung, Intel and etc do this to some degree.
Well, I happened to watch the presentation on the web and Huang never said anything leading anyone to believe that it must be working silicon. He clearly stated that the product would be available starting Q2/Q3, which it was. You calling the presentation a "demo" is a lot more dishonest than anything you are even accusing NVIDIA of. There was no claim to demo anything whatsoever. It's much ado about nothing and no one at NVIDIA is worried about the SEC for it, despite what you may or may not actually believe.
Yes, back in 2003 both NVIDIA and ATI were accused of casing the 3dmark benchmark. That's a bit more on topic, but it was 13 years ago, come on. Is that really what he was referring to? I dunno because all he made was some vague comment.
Putting aside Intel's obsession with renaissance I wanna know who was the brainiac who thought "Hmm Mill... Hill... Yup they're different enough and will totally NOT confuse anyone"
Perhaps something like... the good knight Sir Larrabee was cornered by evil GPUs, but then he broke free, jumped on a ship, made a landing in the GPUs home country, climbed a hill, found a mill, and... made bread to defeat the evil GPUs? https://taramayoros.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/kn...
14nm screwed up everything. The fact that its coming in 2017, and the Knights Hill systems already has a big supercomputer design win, along with 14nm issues suggest:
-"Kaby Lake" for Xeon Phi
If you looked at leaks, they originally wanted 14-16GFlops/watt DP with Knights Landing. With low AVX frequency, the best KNL chip does about 12GFlops/watt DP. The difference is likely because 14nm did not pan out to be expected.
Its coming to a time where 14nm is mature enough. If you consider just with maturity you have "original" KNL plus some extra enhancements, that's what might be KNM - or Knights Mill.
But this seems pointless given Intel's acquisition of Nervana. What's the long term play here?
The whole POINT of Nervana is to deliver low power high performance AI by using custom-tailored ISA and compute units. Trying to force that onto the x86 will work even worse than the ill-fated Larrabee attempt to force a GPU onto the x86 ISA.
So Intel's going to sell everyone a Xeon Phi in 2017 as their Deep Learning solution and then, in 2018, say "Ha ha, just kidding. Actually we need you to buy this completely different CPU and dev model and that will be our REAL Deep Learning solution. Sorry about that money you spent last year"?
More and more Intel seems like Microsoft. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing (or is actively conspiring against it),and absolutely no-one is thinking strategically rather than merely three months ahead.
They might have bought Nirvana to get the competition out of the way - custom ISA and architecture is devil's stuff for Intel- everything must be x86 or their competence becomes purely fab related.
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DonMiguel85 - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
The race to Skynet's birthTristanSDX - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
and NV GPU will power T1000Aspiring Techie - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Only to be destroyed by the Intel powered T850Vlad_Da_Great - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
T1000 was mimetic polyalloy Terminator capable of altering its form and appearance. T850 were more primitive but very sturdy machines. To top the T1000 you will only need to use the T3000 the humanoid nano cyborg. Plus NV cant power T1000. Those dGPU are enormous, you need nano structures. GPU doesnt scale down, but up.djayjp - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
LOLsurt - Saturday, August 20, 2016 - link
Pretty sure that's in the past. There are at least one or two sentient computer AI's out there guiding corporate behaviors that otherwise just don't make a lot of sense.gpcpu - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
I've been looking forward to this announcement! Go Knight's Mill!tipoo - Wednesday, August 17, 2016 - link
Nvidia called them out for the comparison to 4 year old Nvidia products:http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/08/nvidia-inte...
Kind of the pot calling...Well, they're both kind of the pot.
Yojimbo - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Why's that? Has NVIDIA made comparisons to 2-4 year old hardware running on obsolete software?ckbryant - Saturday, August 20, 2016 - link
Well NVIDIA has shown off "Demo" cards that had "drywall" screws in them, that were mockups but they told the press that it was a real card....The Press Relations people at NVIDIA aren't to be taken seriously since the SEC states that lying by a company on the stock market, is a pretty serious offense. Especially during times where the CEO have stock trades like lets say the CEO sold a thousand shares the week after he lied, that's a pretty big crime. NVIDIA also has certain modes in software that detect when a benchmark is taking place and clock up higher(since they know its a short period of time), but these days every company Samsung, Intel and etc do this to some degree.Yojimbo - Sunday, August 21, 2016 - link
Well, I happened to watch the presentation on the web and Huang never said anything leading anyone to believe that it must be working silicon. He clearly stated that the product would be available starting Q2/Q3, which it was. You calling the presentation a "demo" is a lot more dishonest than anything you are even accusing NVIDIA of. There was no claim to demo anything whatsoever. It's much ado about nothing and no one at NVIDIA is worried about the SEC for it, despite what you may or may not actually believe.Yes, back in 2003 both NVIDIA and ATI were accused of casing the 3dmark benchmark. That's a bit more on topic, but it was 13 years ago, come on. Is that really what he was referring to? I dunno because all he made was some vague comment.
lazarpandar - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
just a shitshow of pots yelling things at each otherHrD - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Putting aside Intel's obsession with renaissance I wanna know who was the brainiac who thought "Hmm Mill... Hill... Yup they're different enough and will totally NOT confuse anyone"AndrewJacksonZA - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
@HrD: There's probably some kind of story to it, maybe originating around "Larrabee."https://tomforsyth1000.github.io/blog.wiki.html#%5...
Perhaps something like... the good knight Sir Larrabee was cornered by evil GPUs, but then he broke free, jumped on a ship, made a landing in the GPUs home country, climbed a hill, found a mill, and... made bread to defeat the evil GPUs?
https://taramayoros.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/kn...
Murloc - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
sounds more like feudal age than reinassance honestly.IntelUser2000 - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
14nm screwed up everything. The fact that its coming in 2017, and the Knights Hill systems already has a big supercomputer design win, along with 14nm issues suggest:-"Kaby Lake" for Xeon Phi
If you looked at leaks, they originally wanted 14-16GFlops/watt DP with Knights Landing. With low AVX frequency, the best KNL chip does about 12GFlops/watt DP. The difference is likely because 14nm did not pan out to be expected.
Its coming to a time where 14nm is mature enough. If you consider just with maturity you have "original" KNL plus some extra enhancements, that's what might be KNM - or Knights Mill.
A year or two later on 10nm you get Knights Hill.
name99 - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
But this seems pointless given Intel's acquisition of Nervana. What's the long term play here?The whole POINT of Nervana is to deliver low power high performance AI by using custom-tailored ISA and compute units. Trying to force that onto the x86 will work even worse than the ill-fated Larrabee attempt to force a GPU onto the x86 ISA.
So Intel's going to sell everyone a Xeon Phi in 2017 as their Deep Learning solution and then, in 2018, say "Ha ha, just kidding. Actually we need you to buy this completely different CPU and dev model and that will be our REAL Deep Learning solution. Sorry about that money you spent last year"?
More and more Intel seems like Microsoft. The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing (or is actively conspiring against it),and absolutely no-one is thinking strategically rather than merely three months ahead.
Michael Bay - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
>usual intel conjecture>low-energy ms bit
>no crapple shilling
You`re off your game today.
name99 - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
So lot's of personal slurs, but no actual answer to my point? Yeah, that's a high value post.jospoortvliet - Sunday, August 21, 2016 - link
They might have bought Nirvana to get the competition out of the way - custom ISA and architecture is devil's stuff for Intel- everything must be x86 or their competence becomes purely fab related.mramdas - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Is this Knights Mill or Knights Hill ? The slide/image in the article shows " Knights Hill" while heading is Knights Mill ?extide - Thursday, August 18, 2016 - link
Read the article, that's all explained.Yojimbo - Friday, August 19, 2016 - link
This Knights Mill is the Nervana Engine?jospoortvliet - Sunday, August 21, 2016 - link
If it were such a radical departure (not x86) I guess they would say so and not have it as part of the Knights series.Maybe they took some ideas and integrated that, but no hints beyond possible FP16 support...