So anyone can tell me why people would buy this? This is not ECC so it's home usage memory, tell me who needs 3400 MHz frequency and CL 16 for ANY home usage? In what usage they will see difrrenece between this and DDR4 2100 MHz memory ? Besides benchmarks.
I'm not sure how spending $1000 to speed up an APU instead of buying a discrete graphics card makes sense. Maybe if the price comes way down on this, or future APUs are faster than discrete cards, but neither of those things seems imminent.
For most home uses, no, not needed, but prosumers (solo professionals) who can't afford XEON systems often go for the top-end of the consumer tech, and many pro tasks do respond quite well to higher RAM clocks, eg. AE. The high cost is less relevant if the performance gain is worthwhile. However, as with gaming, improving other aspects of the system can afford bigger speedups, but if everything else is already maxed out then it may indeed be sensible. But as you say, not for normal home use, though one could make the argument that 'normal home use' would err towards Z97, etc. anyway.
tell me what business would need this type of memory even if it was ecc capable ? in almost every business machine is quite unspectacular standard memory (enhanced with ecc or an extra adress buffer). the speed doesnt matter, but the amount of memory really makes it.
I need it. I design software - and need to compile massive projects often. To be most productive, and not inhibit my creativity - I prefer the box to respond as instantaneously as possible. So, I have the 8-core CPU, overclocked, the fastest M.2 drive I could get my hands on, and am looking forward to overclocking and speeding up my RAM as well. I also do solid-modeling, some video-editing, and Photoshop work. That all begs for speed - all I can get.
Well you know some people find great amusement in spending a whole weekend tweaking their expensive mega ram timings to get an extra 1.5FPS over some stock Crucial stuff.
The messed up thing about ddr4 is if you compare ddr4 to ddr3 at the same speed the ddr3 actually beats it. For example ddr3 at 2400mhz and CL 10 has better read and write speed and lower latency than ddr 4 at 2400mhz CL15. The problem is ddr4's latencies are much higher at the same speed. Now obviously if you have ddr4 in quad channel it is faster vs ddr3 in dual channel but I think it's messed up you gotta pay more money for worse performance.
This happens at the start with every new generation of DDR RAM and is the price one pays for being an early adopter. So, wait another year and DDR4 will out perform DDR3. However, I have to say that knowing all this does not prevent me from thinking that CL16 is bonkers.
Out of curiosity, were you into tech when DDR2 and 3 came out? Because it's like this every single time, the newer standard at the same speed has higher latencies than the previous one. The benefit is a higher theoretical top speed, and usually the bottom rung of the new standard is the highest rung of the last.
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dulo - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
So anyone can tell me why people would buy this? This is not ECC so it's home usage memory, tell me who needs 3400 MHz frequency and CL 16 for ANY home usage? In what usage they will see difrrenece between this and DDR4 2100 MHz memory ? Besides benchmarks.jimbo2779 - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
Future APU may do. Currently APUs seem to be constrained by the memory access speed, at least the GPU side of it anyway.barleyguy - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
I'm not sure how spending $1000 to speed up an APU instead of buying a discrete graphics card makes sense. Maybe if the price comes way down on this, or future APUs are faster than discrete cards, but neither of those things seems imminent.mapesdhs - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
For most home uses, no, not needed, but prosumers (solo professionals) who can't affordXEON systems often go for the top-end of the consumer tech, and many pro tasks do respond
quite well to higher RAM clocks, eg. AE. The high cost is less relevant if the performance gain
is worthwhile. However, as with gaming, improving other aspects of the system can afford
bigger speedups, but if everything else is already maxed out then it may indeed be sensible.
But as you say, not for normal home use, though one could make the argument that 'normal
home use' would err towards Z97, etc. anyway.
Ian.
Sushisamurai - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
spot onCellar Door - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
Ian, do you expect these prices - $1000 for a 16GB kit to last long?Breit - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
Maybe peace of mind knowing to own the fastest possible memory money can buy? You know its for enthusiasts and not for regular computerists right?stefstef - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
tell me what business would need this type of memory even if it was ecc capable ? in almost every business machine is quite unspectacular standard memory (enhanced with ecc or an extra adress buffer). the speed doesnt matter, but the amount of memory really makes it.james007 - Friday, January 16, 2015 - link
I need it. I design software - and need to compile massive projects often. To be most productive, and not inhibit my creativity - I prefer the box to respond as instantaneously as possible. So, I have the 8-core CPU, overclocked, the fastest M.2 drive I could get my hands on, and am looking forward to overclocking and speeding up my RAM as well. I also do solid-modeling, some video-editing, and Photoshop work. That all begs for speed - all I can get.semyon95 - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
Finally, DDR4 kits with actually good timings. And they're not even overvolted!jabber - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
Well you know some people find great amusement in spending a whole weekend tweaking their expensive mega ram timings to get an extra 1.5FPS over some stock Crucial stuff.Laststop311 - Friday, January 16, 2015 - link
The messed up thing about ddr4 is if you compare ddr4 to ddr3 at the same speed the ddr3 actually beats it. For example ddr3 at 2400mhz and CL 10 has better read and write speed and lower latency than ddr 4 at 2400mhz CL15. The problem is ddr4's latencies are much higher at the same speed. Now obviously if you have ddr4 in quad channel it is faster vs ddr3 in dual channel but I think it's messed up you gotta pay more money for worse performance.chekk - Saturday, January 17, 2015 - link
This happens at the start with every new generation of DDR RAM and is the price one pays for being an early adopter. So, wait another year and DDR4 will out perform DDR3. However, I have to say that knowing all this does not prevent me from thinking that CL16 is bonkers.tipoo - Sunday, January 18, 2015 - link
Out of curiosity, were you into tech when DDR2 and 3 came out? Because it's like this every single time, the newer standard at the same speed has higher latencies than the previous one. The benefit is a higher theoretical top speed, and usually the bottom rung of the new standard is the highest rung of the last.Oxford Guy - Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - link
"So perhaps under $1000, which would be a big hit in anyone's build."LOL