That would be the usual retailers: Frys, Newegg, Amazon etc. I can already see it on Amazon, but from a 3rd party seller at an inflated price. Just wait till the end of the day.
I can find a few listings on google that seem to align with the prices here. The part numbers all end with "100NAS" for some reason tho so the images are all wrong. Might just have to wait a few hours or a day or so to be updated. Netgear's own site doesn't even list anything for these yet.
Like Conficio I'm confused on the features of these new parts. Why would I opt for a PTV over the NTV? There wasn't a mention of miracast on the NTV but if that's supported I will absolutely be buying one of these. Didn't know my S3 was miracast certified as well as DLNA. Very nice.
100NAS is used as a suffix for their entertainment lineup. I have already pinged Netgear for official links to the products.
As stated in the piece, the PTV3000 is credit card-sized, and can be powered with a USB port. Makes for a really clean, minimal cable hassle solution. The NTV300S has similar capabilities, but will definitely need a wall-wart. They are priced the same, and some people really hate wall-warts / their TV already has Smart capabilities (and such TVs are more likely to have USB ports too). The PTV3000 targets those consumers.
No mention of miracast on those devices tho which worries me. That would pretty much be the perfect device if that is supported. Is there any way you could ask about that feature specifically or the chance of it being added in the future if it is not?
Note that NTV300 does NOT have Wi-Di or Miracast. Only the PTV3000 / NTV300S and NTV300SL support it. Netgear probably can't claim to be an official Miracast receiver in the marketing material till they get certification.
However, the PR that was sent to us indicated that they would be certified at the end of 2012 after Wi-Fi Alliance finalizes the standard. As such, supporting Miracast is not difficult once Wi-Di is supported (from a technical viewpoint).
If you are a cautious consumer and Miracast to TV is very essential to you, I would suggest waiting for another 3 months before picking up the PTV3000 / NTV300S / NTV300SL.
I went ahead and got a PTV3000 for $63 shipped from CostCentral.com to test out at work. I think the miracast functionality will be more useful than WiDi because it will eventually support more devices. I can't seem to find any instructions on HOW it's supposed to work tho. Where are the client apps for a laptop or phone? All I saw were demo videos of it already synced up and running. This video is less than helpful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F_wyyZg5sI&fea...
The Samsung S3 and LG Optimus G were some of the first devices to be miracast certified. There are a bunch of Tegra 3 and TI OMAP demos on youtube as well. Samsung's AllShare dongle sounds suspiciously similar to miracast and I wonder if that was just their own adaptations of the spec. I will try it out with my S3 when I get it this week.
Unfortunately it does not sync properly :( I can see the PTV3000 listed as a Wifi Direct device and it attempts to connect but always fails. I guess we'll have to wait for the first round of miracast apps to get this working. I wish they would post an SDK or something, I would be more than willing to test this out myself. I am also going to try flashing some of the TouchWiz jellybean leaks to see if maybe Samsung enabled more functionality but as of right now it only works as a WiDi dongle.
Ganesh - Excellent article. With regard to your comment - " Note that NTV300 does NOT have Wi-Di or Miracast. Only the PTV3000 /NTV300S and NTV300SL support it."... Do NTV300S/NTV300SL support Miracast as well. From what I read on the product page, they only support wi-di. Thanks.
I got too excited too early and ordered the Vizio CoStar without understanding that proper support of codecs and wifi do not necessarily imply SMB support.
Interesting.. I wasn't aware that the Co-Star doesn't support SMB.. Is that not possible even with external video playback apps?
Btw, as for the NTV300 series, Netgear only mentions DLNA support. So, I wouldn't keep my hopes up for SMB support. I will ask Netgear about this today.
For local media playback (over USB or network), I have searched high and low, and a HTPC is the only fully reliable solution with UIs capable of satisfying the most demanding users. Models from companies like HDI (Dune series) and even Netgear (NTV 550) do satisfy some users, but there is really no streamer solution which can have the codec compatibility that you can get with a HTPC.
The Google App store is still pretty immature for the CoStar. Can you tell me what kind of app to look for? XBMC isn't ready yet and is apparently launching for Android on other devices first.
Any File Manager that lets you browse the network and then open a file with the preferred player maybe? ES File Explorer and MX Player IMO... I'm not the least bit familiar with the Vizio unit though so I dunno what kinda issues you'd have running those.
No Wi-Di on Roku, and these units have historically provided more bang for the buck.
Purely on technical merits, the NTV lineup is definitely ahead of the Roku (official YouTube support, Vudu etc., though Roku added Vudu just yesterday, I believe).
The only reason everybody talks about Roku is because of their marketing and fanboys. As a person who started looking at the media streamer scene only around 2008, I fully skipped all the initial enthusiasm that Roku's innovative products (at that time) generated in the initial days. Post-2008, I seriously can't imagine why anyone would want to choose Roku when there are more full-featured units available at a lower price point.
Netgear lost me as a customer back in the EVA9150 days. They abandon their hardware quite fast and thus don't expect a long future of firmware updates on these players or any others of theirs for that matter.
If it works out of the box, great, but if you're waiting for a feature, it might never come.
Intel's WiDi is an interesting concept and I applaud it but there are some serious issues that consumers need to consider.
1) Range... WiDi doesn't have great range. In some instances a laptop can't be more than a couple feet from the receiver otherwise the signal drops. In these situations, it is almost easier just to hook up a cable and be done with it.
2) Lag... There will always be lag when moving the cursor around the screen. While Intel has tried to make an effort to address this issue, I don't think the nature of the beast ever makes this issue completely go away. For a doubly awesome effect, turn on mouse cursor tails to add to the distraction.
3) Multichannel sound... Video and stereo sound work fine but multichannel audio is a problem. Has Intel addressed this issue in an elegant way yet?
The other random issue with WiDi is the requirement for an Intel GPU. In high-end laptops equipped with 10-bit IPS panels (Dell's Precision line & HP's 8xxx line), Intel's on-board Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge GPU is disabled because it can only do 8-bit output. While I'm sure someone who can fork over that much money for a laptop can manage to buy a second system, I find WiDi becomes impossible to use when all of these issues are taken together.
BTW, I'm not a huge Apple fan but AirPlay's IP-based-over-wifi solution is better. I can sit anywhere I have wireless access and transmit. Intel could have easily gone this route. Yet Apple seems to be heading in the WiDi direction with AirPlay's non-IP-based option for some reason. Perhaps this better for in-car situations? Maybe someone can explain this to me. Either way, I think WiDi's utility is limited.
What about the NeoTV 550? It used to be the best mediaplayer for an attractive price but suddenly Netgear dropped ALL support and left a big group of angry customers. Netgear had shifted its focus away from mediaplayers. Suddenly there is a NeoTV 300????
In addition: The NeoTV 550 is: - It's one of the few mediaplayer on the market that plays BD ISO/folder full 1:1; - It's the only media player that has the WOL; - It's the only media player that has the follow meIt is one of the few mediaplayer which manages posters and indexing of files - It's the only media player that manages network resources in a way so simple and functional. - It's the only video player that can play gapless-music. - It's the only video player that handles all music formats. In my opinion, it is one of the best media-players out there.
But with all of its ambitious features, it is still has bugs. Also, it does not sell for enough or in large enough quantities for Netgear to commit resources to fixing those bugs.
If Netgear wants to stay in the market, they cannot EOL the 550.. thats suicide.
Does anyone have any info regarding support for Miracast on the NeoTV 300S/L? What does the PTV3000 have that the NeoTV's don't? If they support Intel WiDi 3.5 does that also mean they will support Miracast? I saw one poster who said he tried the PTV3000 with the S3, has anyone else tried?
"Google has not announced native Android support for Miracast, but I expect it will be included in the next release of Android (Key Lime Pie). Android 4.x already has support for Wi-Fi Direct, which Miracast builds on."
Didn't know this otherwise wouldn't have bothered. S3 WiDi doesn't work either.
Not sure if anyone is going to see this post at this point, but I figured I'd give my recent experience with the Push2TV 3000. Just got my LG Nexus 4, and just like the other person on here with their Galaxy SIII, it recognizes the P2TV 3000 when it's in Miracast mode, but cant' connect. My Ivy Bridge laptop also won't connect to it in Miracast mode.
My laptop does connect to it in WiDi mode, but I compared it directly to my Belkin Screencast (which I got a couple months ago), and it seems the Push2TV 3000 has more lag, and video doesn't play quite as smoothly, despite the fact that the Push2TV 3000 is a newer revision software that is supposed to have reduced lag with the new v3.5 WiDi drivers -- quite disappointing. Also, the Belkin Screencast has an oversized mouse pointer that shows up on the TV which is placed over the regular mouse pointer. Not only does it make it easier to see when you're using just the TV display, but it also has virtually no lag at all when moving it around, which makes it MUCH easier to navigate To me, until the transmission lag of WiDi is all but completely eliminated, the "lag free" oversized mouse pointer feature needs to be on every WiDi adapter. Sadly, the Push2TV 3000 does not have this. I am truly hoping a firmware update in the future adds a feature like this, reduces lag, and gets Miracast to properly work (which I'm pretty sure at least that part will definitely happen, since they said they will get full certification sometime later this year or early 2013).
Netgear firmware version 2.2.9 (latest at time of writing) and Galaxy s3 with Android 4.1.2 works fine. You connect with the PTV3000 using Samsung Allshare Cast.
the NTV300SL does not have miracast as stated by ganesh in the comments. please check netgear website. I also spoke to their sales help who didnt have a clue what miracast was! The rep even told me that usa product if imported to the uk will not work as firmware is different in usa for the ptv3000. Their uk website has the ptv3000 for sale but leads to a dummy external website that just asks how the product is. their customer service is a joke, dont reply to query in the contact us section even after 1week. Phone help line dont have a clue. Online chat said they sell worldwide and deliver to the UK but when i try to order website only allows usa delivery option. The company doesnt know how to sell or by the looks of it its reps dont want customers to buy the PTV3000 from my experiences trying get get this delievered to the UK over the last 2 weeks. Have an order already with amazon usa but they take 1.5months for delivering to the UK.
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Spuke - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
"The PTV3000 is priced at $59.99 and available for purchase starting today."Where?
ganeshts - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
That would be the usual retailers: Frys, Newegg, Amazon etc. I can already see it on Amazon, but from a 3rd party seller at an inflated price. Just wait till the end of the day.SilentSin - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
I can find a few listings on google that seem to align with the prices here. The part numbers all end with "100NAS" for some reason tho so the images are all wrong. Might just have to wait a few hours or a day or so to be updated. Netgear's own site doesn't even list anything for these yet.Like Conficio I'm confused on the features of these new parts. Why would I opt for a PTV over the NTV? There wasn't a mention of miracast on the NTV but if that's supported I will absolutely be buying one of these. Didn't know my S3 was miracast certified as well as DLNA. Very nice.
ganeshts - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
100NAS is used as a suffix for their entertainment lineup. I have already pinged Netgear for official links to the products.As stated in the piece, the PTV3000 is credit card-sized, and can be powered with a USB port. Makes for a really clean, minimal cable hassle solution. The NTV300S has similar capabilities, but will definitely need a wall-wart. They are priced the same, and some people really hate wall-warts / their TV already has Smart capabilities (and such TVs are more likely to have USB ports too). The PTV3000 targets those consumers.
SilentSin - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
Thanks! I did find the official NTV300 page by going through gdgt.com of all places: http://gdgt.com/netgear/neotv/ntv300/specs/http://www.netgear.com/home/products/hometheater/m...
No mention of miracast on those devices tho which worries me. That would pretty much be the perfect device if that is supported. Is there any way you could ask about that feature specifically or the chance of it being added in the future if it is not?
ganeshts - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
Note that NTV300 does NOT have Wi-Di or Miracast. Only the PTV3000 / NTV300S and NTV300SL support it. Netgear probably can't claim to be an official Miracast receiver in the marketing material till they get certification.However, the PR that was sent to us indicated that they would be certified at the end of 2012 after Wi-Fi Alliance finalizes the standard. As such, supporting Miracast is not difficult once Wi-Di is supported (from a technical viewpoint).
If you are a cautious consumer and Miracast to TV is very essential to you, I would suggest waiting for another 3 months before picking up the PTV3000 / NTV300S / NTV300SL.
SilentSin - Friday, September 21, 2012 - link
I went ahead and got a PTV3000 for $63 shipped from CostCentral.com to test out at work. I think the miracast functionality will be more useful than WiDi because it will eventually support more devices. I can't seem to find any instructions on HOW it's supposed to work tho. Where are the client apps for a laptop or phone? All I saw were demo videos of it already synced up and running. This video is less than helpful: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F_wyyZg5sI&fea...Impulses - Saturday, September 22, 2012 - link
I don't think there's any phones that support it yet... Are there?SilentSin - Sunday, September 23, 2012 - link
The Samsung S3 and LG Optimus G were some of the first devices to be miracast certified. There are a bunch of Tegra 3 and TI OMAP demos on youtube as well. Samsung's AllShare dongle sounds suspiciously similar to miracast and I wonder if that was just their own adaptations of the spec. I will try it out with my S3 when I get it this week.Rajanjena - Saturday, September 29, 2012 - link
Were you able to try out the PTV3000 with the Galaxy S3? Just curious how that worked out...Thanks.
SilentSin - Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - link
Unfortunately it does not sync properly :( I can see the PTV3000 listed as a Wifi Direct device and it attempts to connect but always fails. I guess we'll have to wait for the first round of miracast apps to get this working. I wish they would post an SDK or something, I would be more than willing to test this out myself. I am also going to try flashing some of the TouchWiz jellybean leaks to see if maybe Samsung enabled more functionality but as of right now it only works as a WiDi dongle.Rajanjena - Saturday, September 29, 2012 - link
Ganesh - Excellent article. With regard to your comment - " Note that NTV300 does NOT have Wi-Di or Miracast. Only the PTV3000 /NTV300S and NTV300SL support it."...Do NTV300S/NTV300SL support Miracast as well. From what I read on the product page, they only support wi-di.
Thanks.
ganeshts - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
From Netgear:Conficio - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
So I can buy the WiDi Miracast PTV3000 for $59 and a full blown NTV300S for the same money (which includes the WiDi feature)?The main difference being that I need to have a power supply for the NTV300S, while the PTV can be powered over USB, if I have that available.
chrysrobyn - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
I got too excited too early and ordered the Vizio CoStar without understanding that proper support of codecs and wifi do not necessarily imply SMB support.Do the Netgear appliances talk over SMB to a NAS?
ganeshts - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
Interesting.. I wasn't aware that the Co-Star doesn't support SMB.. Is that not possible even with external video playback apps?Btw, as for the NTV300 series, Netgear only mentions DLNA support. So, I wouldn't keep my hopes up for SMB support. I will ask Netgear about this today.
For local media playback (over USB or network), I have searched high and low, and a HTPC is the only fully reliable solution with UIs capable of satisfying the most demanding users. Models from companies like HDI (Dune series) and even Netgear (NTV 550) do satisfy some users, but there is really no streamer solution which can have the codec compatibility that you can get with a HTPC.
chrysrobyn - Friday, September 21, 2012 - link
The Google App store is still pretty immature for the CoStar. Can you tell me what kind of app to look for? XBMC isn't ready yet and is apparently launching for Android on other devices first.Impulses - Saturday, September 22, 2012 - link
Any File Manager that lets you browse the network and then open a file with the preferred player maybe? ES File Explorer and MX Player IMO... I'm not the least bit familiar with the Vizio unit though so I dunno what kinda issues you'd have running those.ganeshts - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
Just received the following info from Netgear:j3ff86 - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
How do the Netflix/Amazon Prime interfaces compare to a Roku? How often will this receive updates? Why should I buy this over a Roku?ganeshts - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
No Wi-Di on Roku, and these units have historically provided more bang for the buck.Purely on technical merits, the NTV lineup is definitely ahead of the Roku (official YouTube support, Vudu etc., though Roku added Vudu just yesterday, I believe).
The only reason everybody talks about Roku is because of their marketing and fanboys. As a person who started looking at the media streamer scene only around 2008, I fully skipped all the initial enthusiasm that Roku's innovative products (at that time) generated in the initial days. Post-2008, I seriously can't imagine why anyone would want to choose Roku when there are more full-featured units available at a lower price point.
ganeshts - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
Btw, interface in NTV200 wasn't that great. I am yet to evaluate NTV300 series. Will definitely keep readers updated.bznotins - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
Netgear lost me as a customer back in the EVA9150 days. They abandon their hardware quite fast and thus don't expect a long future of firmware updates on these players or any others of theirs for that matter.If it works out of the box, great, but if you're waiting for a feature, it might never come.
My 2 cents.
atbain - Thursday, September 20, 2012 - link
Intel's WiDi is an interesting concept and I applaud it but there are some serious issues that consumers need to consider.1) Range... WiDi doesn't have great range. In some instances a laptop can't be more than a couple feet from the receiver otherwise the signal drops. In these situations, it is almost easier just to hook up a cable and be done with it.
2) Lag... There will always be lag when moving the cursor around the screen. While Intel has tried to make an effort to address this issue, I don't think the nature of the beast ever makes this issue completely go away. For a doubly awesome effect, turn on mouse cursor tails to add to the distraction.
3) Multichannel sound... Video and stereo sound work fine but multichannel audio is a problem. Has Intel addressed this issue in an elegant way yet?
The other random issue with WiDi is the requirement for an Intel GPU. In high-end laptops equipped with 10-bit IPS panels (Dell's Precision line & HP's 8xxx line), Intel's on-board Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge GPU is disabled because it can only do 8-bit output. While I'm sure someone who can fork over that much money for a laptop can manage to buy a second system, I find WiDi becomes impossible to use when all of these issues are taken together.
BTW, I'm not a huge Apple fan but AirPlay's IP-based-over-wifi solution is better. I can sit anywhere I have wireless access and transmit. Intel could have easily gone this route. Yet Apple seems to be heading in the WiDi direction with AirPlay's non-IP-based option for some reason. Perhaps this better for in-car situations? Maybe someone can explain this to me. Either way, I think WiDi's utility is limited.
zilexa - Saturday, September 22, 2012 - link
What about the NeoTV 550? It used to be the best mediaplayer for an attractive price but suddenly Netgear dropped ALL support and left a big group of angry customers. Netgear had shifted its focus away from mediaplayers.Suddenly there is a NeoTV 300????
Netgear, why did you drop 550 support?
zilexa - Saturday, September 22, 2012 - link
In addition:The NeoTV 550 is:
- It's one of the few mediaplayer on the market that plays BD ISO/folder full 1:1;
- It's the only media player that has the WOL;
- It's the only media player that has the follow meIt is one of the few mediaplayer which manages posters and indexing of files
- It's the only media player that manages network resources in a way so simple and functional.
- It's the only video player that can play gapless-music.
- It's the only video player that handles all music formats.
In my opinion, it is one of the best media-players out there.
But with all of its ambitious features, it is still has bugs. Also, it does not sell for enough or in large enough quantities for Netgear to commit resources to fixing those bugs.
If Netgear wants to stay in the market, they cannot EOL the 550.. thats suicide.
dannytill - Thursday, October 4, 2012 - link
Does anyone have any info regarding support for Miracast on the NeoTV 300S/L? What does the PTV3000 have that the NeoTV's don't? If they support Intel WiDi 3.5 does that also mean they will support Miracast? I saw one poster who said he tried the PTV3000 with the S3, has anyone else tried?iriejohn - Monday, October 8, 2012 - link
Tried to make this work but it repeatedly fails to connect.Did some Goggle searches and looks like Miracast won't be in Android until Key Lime Pie (follows Jelly Bean).
http://androidandme.com/2012/09/news/galaxy-s-iii-...
"Google has not announced native Android support for Miracast, but I expect it will be included in the next release of Android (Key Lime Pie). Android 4.x already has support for Wi-Fi Direct, which Miracast builds on."
Didn't know this otherwise wouldn't have bothered. S3 WiDi doesn't work either.
FlyBri - Saturday, November 17, 2012 - link
Not sure if anyone is going to see this post at this point, but I figured I'd give my recent experience with the Push2TV 3000. Just got my LG Nexus 4, and just like the other person on here with their Galaxy SIII, it recognizes the P2TV 3000 when it's in Miracast mode, but cant' connect. My Ivy Bridge laptop also won't connect to it in Miracast mode.My laptop does connect to it in WiDi mode, but I compared it directly to my Belkin Screencast (which I got a couple months ago), and it seems the Push2TV 3000 has more lag, and video doesn't play quite as smoothly, despite the fact that the Push2TV 3000 is a newer revision software that is supposed to have reduced lag with the new v3.5 WiDi drivers -- quite disappointing. Also, the Belkin Screencast has an oversized mouse pointer that shows up on the TV which is placed over the regular mouse pointer. Not only does it make it easier to see when you're using just the TV display, but it also has virtually no lag at all when moving it around, which makes it MUCH easier to navigate To me, until the transmission lag of WiDi is all but completely eliminated, the "lag free" oversized mouse pointer feature needs to be on every WiDi adapter. Sadly, the Push2TV 3000 does not have this. I am truly hoping a firmware update in the future adds a feature like this, reduces lag, and gets Miracast to properly work (which I'm pretty sure at least that part will definitely happen, since they said they will get full certification sometime later this year or early 2013).
FlyBri - Saturday, November 17, 2012 - link
Correction: I meant to say that the Push2TV 3000 has newer revision HARDWARE, not software.iriejohn - Monday, February 18, 2013 - link
Netgear firmware version 2.2.9 (latest at time of writing) and Galaxy s3 with Android 4.1.2 works fine. You connect with the PTV3000 using Samsung Allshare Cast.bubblesmoney - Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - link
the NTV300SL does not have miracast as stated by ganesh in the comments. please check netgear website. I also spoke to their sales help who didnt have a clue what miracast was! The rep even told me that usa product if imported to the uk will not work as firmware is different in usa for the ptv3000. Their uk website has the ptv3000 for sale but leads to a dummy external website that just asks how the product is. their customer service is a joke, dont reply to query in the contact us section even after 1week. Phone help line dont have a clue. Online chat said they sell worldwide and deliver to the UK but when i try to order website only allows usa delivery option. The company doesnt know how to sell or by the looks of it its reps dont want customers to buy the PTV3000 from my experiences trying get get this delievered to the UK over the last 2 weeks. Have an order already with amazon usa but they take 1.5months for delivering to the UK.