you can overclock them.......you can compute with them.......you can easily scale their performance by just adding another card........and dont have to worry about memory and stuffs. LET ME SAY THIS GPU's have over taken the CPU's in more than many ways.....i would advice intel to develop a better larabee.
What gives Ryan? You have made your point clear (ad nauseum actually) about the several dollars differentiation between 768 and 1gb along with overclocking, but without a full picture of performance numbers, the review is still lacking.
Is there still an NDA on the video performance and/or CUDA metrics as I noticed other sites do not have results either?
The future you envision is more dependent on NVIDIA deciding to change their business practices and eliminate:
-Faulty drivers that slip through QA with bad fan control, cooking their products to death -Poorly made chips that separate from their packaging with heat under normal operating conditions -Lying to their customer base about the existance of problems with their products -Refusing to give specific information to customers about exactly which products are defective
Face it, Nvidia has a compelling product in the GTX 460. If it was priced $30 higher it would be nothing special. If it was 20% slower it would be nothing special. If it was a power hog like the GF100 it would be hard to recommend. But it's none of those things. Nvidia managed to sneak a good product in. Their ONLY one.
Now maybe the 5850 will come back down to launch price ($259), or maybe even $249 which would bring its price/performance in line with the $229 GTX 460.
"-Poorly made chips that separate from their packaging with heat under normal operating conditions"
I have one of these in my ASUS g1s laptop. I had to have the MB replaced once already due to the nvidia GPU. Looks like it's gonna keep working until my warranty goes out in a month or two... fun stuff =/
Anyone thinking of going for a GTX 480 would be wise to consider SLI 1GB GTX 460's. 2D surround and better than GTX 480 performance for only $440 - $57.20 CB = $382.80 at TigerDirect.
It is much more quiet, much more cool, consumes much less power, costs much less, and provides superior performance... what more could you ask for? This is the most kick ass card since the 8800GT. 5970 is TWICE the price... and you don't get SLI's superior scaling.
Both AMD and Nvidia have released several updated drivers with performance improvements since the gtx400 series came out. It would be nice if you guys could do a benchmark review of Nvidia's 400 series cards vs. AMD's 5000 series all using the latest drivers so all your readers (including me) can get a clear picture of how each card stands with the most updated drivers.
It would be a great, informative article - a very informative article focusing on performance and high end parts with as updated as possible drivers and a quick overview of current prices.
One possible reason why Zotac's attempt at HD5850's cooling at failed is the HD5850 isn't reference cooling doesn't really blow hot air out of the case. If you take a look at a reference card, there will be 2 slit vents located at the top of the card, which also lets hot air out and back into the case.
One question, why still use the 10.3a drivers? Even if you say performance hasn't changed (part 1), it's only fit to compare latest drivers to latest drivers.
Basically this. I do spot checking on new drivers to find performance differences, but I don't run every last test on every last card on every driver (a full NV+AMD rebench is over a weeks' labor). For that reason 10.3a is listed since that's the driver version those numbers came from. Listing 10.6 would be dishonest even if the numbers are the same as we haven't tested every single configuration with 10.6.
Which is why it would be great to get a re-evaluation of both AMD's 5800 series and Nvidia's 40 series all with the latest drivers. Both camps have released come out with several driver revisions stating mild to moderate performance gains in many of today's games. It would give an excellent indication as to how far both camps have come along since they released their cards, and most important it would give a more clear indication as to how performance is right now, as opposed to recycling months old benchmarks.
The performance gain those driver releases state in various games are vastly overstated. They use an obscure hardware combination to maximize a theoretical performance gain (such as a 5850 in an old P4 system), but what you or I see will be much more modest.
These are the cards everyone wanted form nvidia. cool, quiet, and reasonably priced. I would wait a few weeks before buying anything becuase there are new cpu's coming out from Intel and AMD. Ina ddition with the new performance AMD and nvidia should have price drops. Just in time for back to school season in August.
I don't know if I'll get one of these gtx 460 cards, but I'm still very happy that Nvidia finally brought out a decent card to combat Amd/Atis 5000 series. Prices are bound to drop (hopefully) ^^
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VIDYA - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
you can overclock them.......you can compute with them.......you can easily scale their performance by just adding another card........and dont have to worry about memory and stuffs. LET ME SAY THIS GPU's have over taken the CPU's in more than many ways.....i would advice intel to develop a better larabee.Lord 666 - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
What gives Ryan? You have made your point clear (ad nauseum actually) about the several dollars differentiation between 768 and 1gb along with overclocking, but without a full picture of performance numbers, the review is still lacking.Is there still an NDA on the video performance and/or CUDA metrics as I noticed other sites do not have results either?
Pessimism - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
The future you envision is more dependent on NVIDIA deciding to change their business practices and eliminate:-Faulty drivers that slip through QA with bad fan control, cooking their products to death
-Poorly made chips that separate from their packaging with heat under normal operating conditions
-Lying to their customer base about the existance of problems with their products
-Refusing to give specific information to customers about exactly which products are defective
DominionSeraph - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
I see ATI marketing is present and accounted for.Face it, Nvidia has a compelling product in the GTX 460. If it was priced $30 higher it would be nothing special. If it was 20% slower it would be nothing special. If it was a power hog like the GF100 it would be hard to recommend.
But it's none of those things. Nvidia managed to sneak a good product in. Their ONLY one.
Now maybe the 5850 will come back down to launch price ($259), or maybe even $249 which would bring its price/performance in line with the $229 GTX 460.
mrmojo1 - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - link
"-Poorly made chips that separate from their packaging with heat under normal operating conditions"I have one of these in my ASUS g1s laptop. I had to have the MB replaced once already due to the nvidia GPU. Looks like it's gonna keep working until my warranty goes out in a month or two... fun stuff =/
mrmojo1 - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - link
oh btw, I like both NVidia and ATI; i'm not an nvidia hater.Just a little pissed that a laptop I paid over $2000 for at the time was essentially defective from the start.
tick tock tick....
/rant
irsmurf - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
Anyone thinking of going for a GTX 480 would be wise to consider SLI 1GB GTX 460's. 2D surround and better than GTX 480 performance for only $440 - $57.20 CB = $382.80 at TigerDirect.It is much more quiet, much more cool, consumes much less power, costs much less, and provides superior performance... what more could you ask for? This is the most kick ass card since the 8800GT. 5970 is TWICE the price... and you don't get SLI's superior scaling.
irsmurf - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
I don't mean to say SLI GTX 460's will outperform the 5970.SantaAna12 - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
If the 5850 is the closest comp...then why no 5850CF benches?irsmurf - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
$400 vs $620? Doesn't sound like competition to me.ClownPuncher - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
$460 vs $580 you mean! Though, for a 2 card setup, I would say getting a pair of gtx460 is a no brainer at this point.tviceman - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
Both AMD and Nvidia have released several updated drivers with performance improvements since the gtx400 series came out. It would be nice if you guys could do a benchmark review of Nvidia's 400 series cards vs. AMD's 5000 series all using the latest drivers so all your readers (including me) can get a clear picture of how each card stands with the most updated drivers.tviceman - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
It would be a great, informative article - a very informative article focusing on performance and high end parts with as updated as possible drivers and a quick overview of current prices.Etern205 - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
One possible reason why Zotac's attempt at HD5850's cooling at failed is the HD5850 isn't reference cooling doesn't really blow hot air out of the case. If you take a look at a reference card, there will be 2 slit vents located at the top of the card, which also lets hot air out and back into the case.Here is a picture of it
http://yfrog.com/j8hd5850dj
Etern205 - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
Sorry, link is not working...Correct link
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/516/hd5850d.jpg
setzer - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
One question, why still use the 10.3a drivers? Even if you say performance hasn't changed (part 1), it's only fit to compare latest drivers to latest drivers.d4a2n0k - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
Because they just use the numbers from previous benchmarks and those were the drivers used at that time.Ryan Smith - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
Basically this. I do spot checking on new drivers to find performance differences, but I don't run every last test on every last card on every driver (a full NV+AMD rebench is over a weeks' labor). For that reason 10.3a is listed since that's the driver version those numbers came from. Listing 10.6 would be dishonest even if the numbers are the same as we haven't tested every single configuration with 10.6.tviceman - Monday, July 12, 2010 - link
Which is why it would be great to get a re-evaluation of both AMD's 5800 series and Nvidia's 40 series all with the latest drivers. Both camps have released come out with several driver revisions stating mild to moderate performance gains in many of today's games. It would give an excellent indication as to how far both camps have come along since they released their cards, and most important it would give a more clear indication as to how performance is right now, as opposed to recycling months old benchmarks.Ryan Smith - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - link
The numbers from the 10.3a drivers are still accurate for the 10.6 drivers. Or in other words, the performance "right now" is the same.Taft12 - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - link
The performance gain those driver releases state in various games are vastly overstated. They use an obscure hardware combination to maximize a theoretical performance gain (such as a 5850 in an old P4 system), but what you or I see will be much more modest.adonn78 - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - link
These are the cards everyone wanted form nvidia. cool, quiet, and reasonably priced. I would wait a few weeks before buying anything becuase there are new cpu's coming out from Intel and AMD. Ina ddition with the new performance AMD and nvidia should have price drops. Just in time for back to school season in August.jfelano - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - link
With the very overclockable 5830 going for around $170 after rebate, it's hard to recommend this card.DominionSeraph - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - link
Nobody uses price after MIR because you'll never see that money.Rebates are a scam.
just4U - Thursday, July 15, 2010 - link
I really do wish they'd get rid of the whole MIR.heflys - Thursday, July 15, 2010 - link
Yeah, I agree. I'm just waiting for ATI to knock back their prices. It's inevitable.loganex - Tuesday, July 13, 2010 - link
Does anyone know how well these 460s fold? How many points per day?ruzveh - Thursday, July 15, 2010 - link
I would still go in for Zotac card for the feature it displayed in its port. It has full HDMI and Display port which is exactly what i requiredjust4U - Friday, July 16, 2010 - link
It's also nice to see them moving to LLT warranties.. to me that was the most interesting part.Mopsen - Sunday, July 18, 2010 - link
I don't know if I'll get one of these gtx 460 cards, but I'm still very happy that Nvidia finally brought out a decent card to combat Amd/Atis 5000 series. Prices are bound to drop (hopefully) ^^Mayu - Thursday, November 18, 2010 - link
I would like to know how would 2 of 460s compare with few high end GPU. Can we have some stats with such set up ?