Small correction, no one knows the clock speed of the A4 in the iPhone 4. While Jobs was eager to flaunt the 1GHz speed of the iPad's A4, he said nothing about the speed of the iPhone 4's. I'm thinking he would have, if it was 1GHz. More likely its downclocked to maybe 600 ish.
The iPad was announced as an A4 running at 1 GHz, but everything I read about the iPhone 4 just said A4 with no mention of clockspeed, leading most people to speculate it's been underclocked for some heat/power savings. Have you seen confirmation of 1 GHz elsewhere?
I don't have an EVO but I already charge my phone when I am in my car and I charge it every night. Sometimes I even charge it in the office. So the 15 hour battery life will more than suffice.
It looks like every network has an epic Android device: 1) Sprint - HTC EVO 4G 2) Verizon - HTC Incredible 3) T-Mobile - Nexus One 4) AT&T - Uh....Motorola Backflip? :/
I used a Nexus One on AT&T and Motorola Milestone (GSM Droid) on AT&T. In fact AT&T has every single Android handset available... it's just not carrier branded. You just need to know how to get it unlocked.
Sony XPeria X10a HTC Desire HTC Hero HTC Nexus One Motorola Milestone Acer Liquid
the list goes on. Try doing that on Sprint or Verizon :D
Who cares how many phones or what phones you have on your service, if the service sucks. ATT is the worst service around, Metro PCS is better than them. That network drops calls like it was 1999.
You're 100% wrong. This coming from someone who has been an at&t customer for over ten years, and has had every phone from a nokia brick, to blackberrys, htc phones, samsung, sony ericson, (you name it, i've had a phone by the company...except the iphone. i'm buying one at launch)) i can honestly say that i've only dropped 3-4 calls in the past 8 years. I've stood right next to people who were dropping calls on their iphone while i happily chatted away on my blackberry. Do you honestly think apple would have thrown in such a radical design change (the external antennae) as a FEATURE, if it wasn't at least partly apples fault?
Bottom line it, everyone bashes at&t, and i think it's PARTLY (not fully) apple's fault. The only phones i've ever heard of that drop phone calls like i do girlfriends are iphones.
I shall test, and speak the truth in a couple weaks. I live two blocks away from my best friend who has been an iphone user since the first generation phone, and i never drop calls--but he does.
Yeah, I'm also going to disagree. I live in the Houston area and I really don't understand the AT&T bashing. The service is good, the price is about the same as all the carriers here, I've been w/o a contract for about 5 years now but still keep AT&T because I have Nokias which I also like to use in Europe. T-Mobile on the other hand has some crappy coverage in my area, many of my friends use them and constantly complain. As the main competitor to AT&T in this area for GSM phones I see no reason to switch.
Apple is making same mistakes they made with PC's and it will cost them big time ITLR. Should have iPhone on all networks about a year ago. Should open platform to development.
Their only hope is to win lawsuit they have against HTC and other makers for supposedly stealing many of their ideas. Barring that in 2 years Andriod phones will kill the iPhone like PC did to Mac in the late 80s.
i'm with you on that. i couldn't care less about apple opening the ios, mostly because it's boring and awful. i use an iphone only because it was the only phone that could reasonably handle the internet in japan when i first got a contract. now, i wish to hell that i'd waited for something that didn't crash on me all the time. i also don't understand why i can't put a SD card in my phone. i can only put a limited amount of music on it, and when i want to change it, i have to use itunes. arrgh! other phones let you swap out cards for more versatility, but apples not interested in pleasing people, they just want to suck you in and then suck you dry. boo apple.
"15 hours of use with quite a few phone calls, some texting/email, GPS navigation to dinner, and a bit of 3G browsing took me from full charge to about 60% remaining..."
Why are all the other tech blogs reaming the evo on battery life? Those numbers seem MORE than decent.
Please....tell me how you achieved 60% remaining battery life after 15 hours of usage doing all the things you described. I absolutely love this phone, but by the end of the work day (leave home a little after 8 am, leave work a little past 5), I'm already down to half battery, with just some texting and a little browsing throughout the day. With some heavier usage in the evening (including some long phone calls), I'm down to 10-15% by bed. I can work with this, but more life would certainly be great.
Hands down best phone ever made. Yes, 4G drains battery quickly. Whenever I'm in my car, at my office, or at home, I try to plug it in whether I'm low on battery or not. This keeps me charged just fine throughout the day. Seidio is coming out with a battery 150% bigger too. Come on people, if you want 4G it takes battery power. That's life with batteries' current technological capabilities. If you don't want it then turn off the 4G (which is easy to do in about 4 seconds). I also got a great android task killer which I'm learning is key if you have a lot of aftermarket apps that run in the background needlessly. (why do so many developers make them do that!!?)
So bottom line, love the EVO. I hope Sprint continues to build out the 4G network so we get higher density coverage in Chicago.
wrong. Sprint is the majority shareholder in Clearwire. also Sprint does own their wireline and wireless network while Ericsson Services (not Sony/Ericsson) operates it.
that's funny. Sprint may have 51% stake but legally it's clearwires? what's 51% mean? that means legally you own it. If I own 51% of your house then guess what? I can kick you out legally.
Wow. You should do more research. Sprint created all this. They didn't have the capitol or network to implement it that fast so they partnered with clearwire to build out on their network which would be a faster build then anything else and Time warner & Comcast funded the project. Get your facts straight.
Too damn true. I mean who's bright idea was it to design the OS to leave all these battery sucking apps running in the background? Why can't they come up with an OS that just runs whatever app you have in the foreground, with some limits on what runs in the background?
Would it be possible for you guys to test one of the extended-life batteries available for one of the test phones you have? Such as, for example, this one (for the Incredible): http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-Innocell-Battery-Droi...
Given how easy it is to fudge battery capacity specs, I am rather doubtful that a battery of the same chemistry and physical size could have longer life that is statistically relevant. There are mixed reviews on the amazon page and others selling it, and there are reviews like this (http://www.ppcgeeks.com/2010/05/27/htc-incredible-... ) but it would be nice to see an actual scientific test by someone who knows what they are doing, which is where I hope you can come in.
Agree with this. So much FUD going around about battery conditioning, usage, best practices, etc. A good, researched Anandtech-styled analysis would be welcome.
the TP2 1500mAh battery is the same as the EVO battery. You can compare it against the Seidio "1750mAh" battery and find out that the Seidio battery is actually WORSE than the stock 1500mAh battery found in the EVO.
"Given how easy it is to fudge battery capacity specs, I am rather doubtful that a battery of the same chemistry and physical size could have longer life that is statistically relevant"
You understand there is more in these things than the battery alone...........right?
Sure, there are some electronics to control the charging and you occasionally run across a laptop battery that doesn't have all the available space filled (usually a cheaper version of a larger capacity battery that has to fill a space), but a difference of 30+% in the storage capacity of the cells? Doubtful IMO.
Got my Evo 4g on saturday, I love it so far. The battery drain is pretty quick, but I was prepared for that. I keep a usb to microusb cable in the car, office, home computer, and charger. Got the extra cables from monoprice for cheap and in 10ft lengths:)
Um... Voltage drop in USB cables tends to be pretty bad, if you´re unlucky. That 10ft lenght can cost you an extra hour of charge time... With my really old Asus P525, I was actually unable to charge with some 15ft USB cables, the drop was THAT bad. With some others, no problem. So better check your cables with a test load and multimeter ;)
Iphone 4 FTW. 10- 14 hours of battery life doing usual stuff,browsing, video, calls, emails, texting 10 - 20 a day with pics mms. Execellent 3G coverage in my city. The sceen for the Evo is the only thing going for it, but 2 hours of battery life with 4G really? so those 3 people that actually have 4G are happy about that Im sure. Yes im trolling, your Evo punks come to our Apple sites to bash so its my turn!
@Zebo, who wrote: "Good luck with that new netflix app when you only get 2GB/mo - that's one movie."
And good luck to you trying to download a 2GB movie over any cellular network using any handset. Do the math and figure out how many hours that would take, even if you could maintain the connection.
Get used to it: cellular spectrum and bandwidth are a commodities in short supply. As such it's inevitable that data will be priced/limited accordingly.
Uh, the new data caps do not apply to us current iPhone users upgrading to 4. Besides, ALL carriers are going to have data caps within the next 18 months, so your point is hypocritical. Good to see yet another well-informed, knowledgable Android user.
Sprint's 4G network is truly unlimited. It's basically the Clear infrastructure, which is also truly unlimited. I don't forsee them crushing what little headway they've made by instituting caps. Mind you, there may be softcaps hidden somewhere in their service, but I've never come across someone hitting them.
Only thing over iPhone4 besides -Flash -Monopolistic browser, no opera, dolphin, etc -Purposeful widgets on desktop -easier connectivity options -add music w/o itunes -Endless personalization -More free apps, better free apps and more to come -Better Google integration -cheaper by the month -cheaper initially -no iAds
Except Safari > xScope > Dolphin HD > Stock Browser
Yes I'm an Android user. Flash is nice but almost useless on every website. Look at AT forums. Half the people talk about FlashBlock, NoScript, etc, disabling flash when they view websites. It's great for Hulu, Youtube, TV shows, and that's about it.
And if you talk about games, the iPhone games > flash games > Android games anyday. you don't NEED flash. I see this as a point people cry about but in raelity it's just meh.
"More free apps" - Except most Android apps suck. Free doesn't change a thing.
"Cheaper by the month" - How so? Use an N1 on AT&T and you get booted to $30/month. It's the same.
Quite honestly the iPhone's made many leaps and bounds just like Android has. I don't think the two are that far apart. Google still has a LOT of maturing to do.
There is a huge gap caused by draconian restrictions on Apple's side. It would need a huge advantage on hardware/software side to compensate, which it doesn't have.
The only thing it has is marketing advantage with gazillion of fanboish sites and fanboys spawning endless "news" about "apple did yet another tiny change".
Jobbs played this game in 80th and was completely destroyed by IBM's platform which was much less restrictive. Now he is likely to taste it again. Even in the lame US market, that seems to ignore brilliant phones made by Nokia/Samsung/Others.
There are quite a few ways to copy files to the iPhone, both through the USB cable, and wirelessly. iPhone explore is one program you can use, and there are others.
Am I the only one who can't figure out how we can have a AA battery @2650 mAh but can't flatten it into phone form? All of these great next-gen phones like the Evo, iPhone, and others -expecially the Cortex A9 based phones hopefully out by the end of the year- would GREATLY benefit from this. Is it impossible? Or cost-prohibitive?
Lithium Polymer batteries are far more advanced than anything that takes the shape of a AA battery. Also, don't forget that to be AA, you fall between 1.2 and 1.6V. These Li-Poly batteries are 3.7V per cell. For they're size, they're quite incredible.
The lack of ISO standard weight numbers has actually caused me to visit this site less. I realize this when I read about this phone, because weight is my primary factor for phones and this article gave me no clue... so I go somewhere else to find out.
I don't get it, why do you always post prices of the phones that don't represent their actual price without contract. Yes the phone is 199$ but will 24 month contract which costs 70$ per month and the total then is...well you can calculate that. It is very misleading this information that these kinds of phones actually cost (and will cost) far more. Actual price for HTC Evo if you want to buy the phone, not the company with the service along with it is 600$ not 199$.
Maybe because it is more written for people looking to sign that contract. It is the way phones are advertised in terms of pricing...with contract. To buy a phone without a contract is pretty rare in the US.
Plus, at least some (if not all) carriers in the US don't offer an off-contract rate, so if you are paying the same price for the service there isn't much reason not to take the phone subsidy.
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Gazing attentively upon the object reveals perhaps some deeper sorcery at play. A discerning eye may observe strange lights and illusions playing along the surface of this mysterious slab. Better let it burn to ash than come under the spell of such unknown enchantments.
Regarding you leaving 4G on, I'm beginning to think that it may be the GPS that kills the battery more than the 4G.
I left my phone off the charger last night with 4G turned on (and only 4G: 3G and everything else turned off) and the battery in the yellow (~30%).
I woke up this morning to a phone that had received all my email through the night, a text message, and a message over g Talk, with a battery that was still in the yellow.
Either the GPS is the culprit on your phone, or an app that is somehow constantly using the web. I make sure to kill all running apps if I know I'm not going to be using my phone in the immediate future.
That said, I get pretty good 4G reception where I live.
As impressive as the Evo is on paper and in person, I have to say that I don't think I'm going to upgrade until Sprint gets a Tegra-powered Android phone. Snapdragon is surely the coolest kid on the block right now, but Tegra just has so much more eye-candy-power in addition to its computing power relative to its TDP.
The Evo might be "almost perfect", but the new line of Tegra phones will crush it.
and the Tegra 2/iPhone 5 will crush that, etc etc. just get the best thing available when you need it. if you've been with Sprint for awhile they stick you in a loyalty program where you can upgrade to a new phone every year (at the advertised price).
Just FYI...the Qualcomm Snapdragon Scorpion 1Ghz CPU is also an Arm Cortex A8 based processor. It's just Qualcomm's customized silicon, just as the A4 is a customized Cortex A8.
Do it! I'm curious to know if they are using the full 1GHz speed of the A4, of if its a downclocked (or salvaged) version of the iPads chip. If it matches the Evo 4G, its likely 1GHz.
Just got my EVO yesterday. 1st Android phone and I'm leaving behind my Touch Pro2.
I must say GOOD RIDDANCE to the TP2. Win 6.5 was a flop. It too was a battery hog, but cab file after cab file helped that.
Because of the TP2, I am more than used to keeping my phone plugged in wherever possible. At work, easy. In the car, easy. At night on the nightstand, easy.
Add to that the fact that the battery for the HTC Touch Pro2, Hero and now the EVO 4G are all the same battery!
Yep. The battery I carry (fully charged) in my wallet will drop right in to the EVO. If I ever get caught with a low battery, the hardest part will be shutting off the EVO to change batteries.
This phone is so full of cool features I cannot understate it. The iPhone led the way to where we are now. And at least until June 24th, there is a new leader in smart phones.
And to add insult to the iPhone user base, you will still be unable to pop out that SD card and give your pictures to a friend or print them at Walgreens. Oh, and when your iPhone battery dies, there won't be a spare waiting in your wallet.
Many iPhone people are bashing the HTC EVO Battery which I agree is the biggest negative of the device, however at least you can take the battery out and put in a spare. With the iPhone you SOL if you forget your adapter to charge the iPhone. When are iPhone users going to admit that ATT network coverage is terrible, ATT can't handle the volume and users are getting screwed with ATT pricing plans. I am a big Apple user and the HTC EVO 4G from Sprint is the best device on the market to date.
I installed a custom rom that supposedly improves battery life by killing some of the htc apps that suck away power. It would be good to cover this as to why the battery life is so bad.
Hello! I really enjoyed this "first look" and am looking forward to the real test. I won't be shopping for a new phone for a while, since my Touch Pro 2 is only 10 months old (and I'm hoping for an Android port soon ;)), but am still interested in staying up-to-date with the development. But after having read the N900/Droid comparison from Brian, I am really missing additional units for weight and size in the tablet above (or in the text). Only having the American inch and ounces is very irritating for me, as a European user. Why not have both and save me (and I am sure there are others) the trouble of firing up google to get it into our own measurements? :)
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tipoo - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Small correction, no one knows the clock speed of the A4 in the iPhone 4. While Jobs was eager to flaunt the 1GHz speed of the iPad's A4, he said nothing about the speed of the iPhone 4's. I'm thinking he would have, if it was 1GHz. More likely its downclocked to maybe 600 ish.Oh, and first comment, yaaay!
icrf - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
The iPad was announced as an A4 running at 1 GHz, but everything I read about the iPhone 4 just said A4 with no mention of clockspeed, leading most people to speculate it's been underclocked for some heat/power savings. Have you seen confirmation of 1 GHz elsewhere?Assimilator87 - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
I would also like to know what the source is for the info on the iPhone 4 GPU. I was hoping they'd upgrade it.solipsism - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
The IPad's A4. It's likely they kept that the same to reduce costs.Guspaz - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Even if it's the exact same part, that doesn't mean that wouldn't drop down the clockspeed and voltage to save power.joe85 - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
I don't have an EVO but I already charge my phone when I am in my car and I charge it every night. Sometimes I even charge it in the office. So the 15 hour battery life will more than suffice.Calin - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Vivek said something about 2 hours from 40% to 10% - that's about six hours from full charge to 10%, idle but with bluetooth and WiMax enabled.quiksilvr - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
It looks like every network has an epic Android device:1) Sprint - HTC EVO 4G
2) Verizon - HTC Incredible
3) T-Mobile - Nexus One
4) AT&T - Uh....Motorola Backflip? :/
Brian Klug - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
You could also say that AT&T has the Nexus One as well ;) I know I use mine at least 50/50 with the iPhone lately.Affectionate-Bed-980 - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
I used a Nexus One on AT&T and Motorola Milestone (GSM Droid) on AT&T. In fact AT&T has every single Android handset available... it's just not carrier branded. You just need to know how to get it unlocked.Sony XPeria X10a
HTC Desire
HTC Hero
HTC Nexus One
Motorola Milestone
Acer Liquid
the list goes on. Try doing that on Sprint or Verizon :D
blakmajik - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Who cares how many phones or what phones you have on your service, if the service sucks. ATT is the worst service around, Metro PCS is better than them. That network drops calls like it was 1999.jleach1 - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
You're 100% wrong. This coming from someone who has been an at&t customer for over ten years, and has had every phone from a nokia brick, to blackberrys, htc phones, samsung, sony ericson, (you name it, i've had a phone by the company...except the iphone. i'm buying one at launch)) i can honestly say that i've only dropped 3-4 calls in the past 8 years. I've stood right next to people who were dropping calls on their iphone while i happily chatted away on my blackberry. Do you honestly think apple would have thrown in such a radical design change (the external antennae) as a FEATURE, if it wasn't at least partly apples fault?Bottom line it, everyone bashes at&t, and i think it's PARTLY (not fully) apple's fault. The only phones i've ever heard of that drop phone calls like i do girlfriends are iphones.
I shall test, and speak the truth in a couple weaks. I live two blocks away from my best friend who has been an iphone user since the first generation phone, and i never drop calls--but he does.
niva - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Yeah, I'm also going to disagree. I live in the Houston area and I really don't understand the AT&T bashing. The service is good, the price is about the same as all the carriers here, I've been w/o a contract for about 5 years now but still keep AT&T because I have Nokias which I also like to use in Europe. T-Mobile on the other hand has some crappy coverage in my area, many of my friends use them and constantly complain. As the main competitor to AT&T in this area for GSM phones I see no reason to switch.SniperWulf - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
I too have had more dropped calls over the past 6 months or so, than I have had when I first switched to their service about 18 months ago.k.electron - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
AT&T does not have every single android handset because HTC incredible doesnt work with AT&T no matter what.not to mention verizons network is far superior to AT&T so i dont quite know what point you are trying to make.
Zebo - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Apple is making same mistakes they made with PC's and it will cost them big time ITLR. Should have iPhone on all networks about a year ago. Should open platform to development.Their only hope is to win lawsuit they have against HTC and other makers for supposedly stealing many of their ideas. Barring that in 2 years Andriod phones will kill the iPhone like PC did to Mac in the late 80s.
SunSamurai - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
"Should open platform to development."Yeaahhh.....no.
softdrinkviking - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
i'm with you on that.i couldn't care less about apple opening the ios, mostly because it's boring and awful.
i use an iphone only because it was the only phone that could reasonably handle the internet in japan when i first got a contract.
now, i wish to hell that i'd waited for something that didn't crash on me all the time.
i also don't understand why i can't put a SD card in my phone.
i can only put a limited amount of music on it, and when i want to change it, i have to use itunes. arrgh!
other phones let you swap out cards for more versatility, but apples not interested in pleasing people, they just want to suck you in and then suck you dry.
boo apple.
ImSpartacus - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
The Backflip is horrible. It gives Android a bad name. I figure if you're on AT&T, you should just go with an iPhone.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=6...
Otherwise, I would agree with your list. I'm a Verizon customer. I was waiting for the N1, but I guess I'll have to go with the DInc. I want Froyo!
StackStack - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
"15 hours of use with quite a few phone calls, some texting/email, GPS navigation to dinner, and a bit of 3G browsing took me from full charge to about 60% remaining..."Why are all the other tech blogs reaming the evo on battery life? Those numbers seem MORE than decent.
SunSamurai - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Because its a misleading lie? A 'bit' is a measurement of data storage, not an actual length of time. Nor is "quite a few" or "some" a real number.DERP DERP?
archcommus - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Please....tell me how you achieved 60% remaining battery life after 15 hours of usage doing all the things you described. I absolutely love this phone, but by the end of the work day (leave home a little after 8 am, leave work a little past 5), I'm already down to half battery, with just some texting and a little browsing throughout the day. With some heavier usage in the evening (including some long phone calls), I'm down to 10-15% by bed. I can work with this, but more life would certainly be great.ajp_anton - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Could you start writing dimensions in mm also (and weight in g), it's a little annoying having to google every dimension every time...RamIt - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Because the site is based in the U.S. and unfortunately we still don't use the metric system.ajp_anton - Friday, June 11, 2010 - link
That is why I used the word "also". And while the site is based in the US, many of its readers do not live in the US.beckeswins - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Hands down best phone ever made. Yes, 4G drains battery quickly. Whenever I'm in my car, at my office, or at home, I try to plug it in whether I'm low on battery or not. This keeps me charged just fine throughout the day. Seidio is coming out with a battery 150% bigger too. Come on people, if you want 4G it takes battery power. That's life with batteries' current technological capabilities. If you don't want it then turn off the 4G (which is easy to do in about 4 seconds). I also got a great android task killer which I'm learning is key if you have a lot of aftermarket apps that run in the background needlessly. (why do so many developers make them do that!!?)So bottom line, love the EVO. I hope Sprint continues to build out the 4G network so we get higher density coverage in Chicago.
mcnabney - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
It isn't Sprint's network. It is Clearwire's. And technically Sprint's network isn't even Sprint's network. It is Sony/Ericsson's.austonia - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
wrong. Sprint is the majority shareholder in Clearwire. also Sprint does own their wireline and wireless network while Ericsson Services (not Sony/Ericsson) operates it.Roland00 - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Sprint may have a 51% stake in Clearwire, but legally it is still viewed as Clearwire's network.Nitebreed - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link
that's funny. Sprint may have 51% stake but legally it's clearwires? what's 51% mean? that means legally you own it. If I own 51% of your house then guess what? I can kick you out legally.Nitebreed - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link
Wow. You should do more research. Sprint created all this. They didn't have the capitol or network to implement it that fast so they partnered with clearwire to build out on their network which would be a faster build then anything else and Time warner & Comcast funded the project. Get your facts straight.rpmurray - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Too damn true. I mean who's bright idea was it to design the OS to leave all these battery sucking apps running in the background? Why can't they come up with an OS that just runs whatever app you have in the foreground, with some limits on what runs in the background?strikeback03 - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Would it be possible for you guys to test one of the extended-life batteries available for one of the test phones you have? Such as, for example, this one (for the Incredible): http://www.amazon.com/Seidio-Innocell-Battery-Droi...Given how easy it is to fudge battery capacity specs, I am rather doubtful that a battery of the same chemistry and physical size could have longer life that is statistically relevant. There are mixed reviews on the amazon page and others selling it, and there are reviews like this (http://www.ppcgeeks.com/2010/05/27/htc-incredible-... ) but it would be nice to see an actual scientific test by someone who knows what they are doing, which is where I hope you can come in.
archcommus - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Agree with this. So much FUD going around about battery conditioning, usage, best practices, etc. A good, researched Anandtech-styled analysis would be welcome.SunSamurai - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
You mean you dont like the scientific measurements of "some", "quite a few" and "a bit of" ?SHOCK!
irev210 - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
http://www.batteryboss.org/the TP2 1500mAh battery is the same as the EVO battery. You can compare it against the Seidio "1750mAh" battery and find out that the Seidio battery is actually WORSE than the stock 1500mAh battery found in the EVO.
SunSamurai - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
"Given how easy it is to fudge battery capacity specs, I am rather doubtful that a battery of the same chemistry and physical size could have longer life that is statistically relevant"You understand there is more in these things than the battery alone...........right?
strikeback03 - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Sure, there are some electronics to control the charging and you occasionally run across a laptop battery that doesn't have all the available space filled (usually a cheaper version of a larger capacity battery that has to fill a space), but a difference of 30+% in the storage capacity of the cells? Doubtful IMO.Check this out: http://diamondbackbatt.blogspot.com/2008/01/best-p...
Adul - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Got my Evo 4g on saturday, I love it so far. The battery drain is pretty quick, but I was prepared for that. I keep a usb to microusb cable in the car, office, home computer, and charger. Got the extra cables from monoprice for cheap and in 10ft lengths:)KaarlisK - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Um...Voltage drop in USB cables tends to be pretty bad, if you´re unlucky.
That 10ft lenght can cost you an extra hour of charge time...
With my really old Asus P525, I was actually unable to charge with some 15ft USB cables, the drop was THAT bad. With some others, no problem.
So better check your cables with a test load and multimeter ;)
Soldier1969 - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Iphone 4 FTW. 10- 14 hours of battery life doing usual stuff,browsing, video, calls, emails, texting 10 - 20 a day with pics mms. Execellent 3G coverage in my city. The sceen for the Evo is the only thing going for it, but 2 hours of battery life with 4G really? so those 3 people that actually have 4G are happy about that Im sure. Yes im trolling, your Evo punks come to our Apple sites to bash so its my turn!cknobman - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
10-14 hrs you know this how? Is the phone out yet and have you verified this personally or are you just going off what specs on paper claim?Also hope you and the rest of the apple club love your data caps and tethering. LOL, more $$$$ than sense.
Zebo - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Data caps are a joke as well with iPhone. Good luck with that new netflix app when you only get 2GB/mo - that's one movie.solipsism - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
That's over 15 hours of video on Netflix.NCAM - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
@Zebo, who wrote: "Good luck with that new netflix app when you only get 2GB/mo - that's one movie."And good luck to you trying to download a 2GB movie over any cellular network using any handset. Do the math and figure out how many hours that would take, even if you could maintain the connection.
Get used to it: cellular spectrum and bandwidth are a commodities in short supply. As such it's inevitable that data will be priced/limited accordingly.
Donkey2008 - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Uh, the new data caps do not apply to us current iPhone users upgrading to 4. Besides, ALL carriers are going to have data caps within the next 18 months, so your point is hypocritical. Good to see yet another well-informed, knowledgable Android user.Xenoterranos - Friday, June 11, 2010 - link
Sprint's 4G network is truly unlimited. It's basically the Clear infrastructure, which is also truly unlimited. I don't forsee them crushing what little headway they've made by instituting caps. Mind you, there may be softcaps hidden somewhere in their service, but I've never come across someone hitting them.Zebo - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Only thing over iPhone4 besides-Flash
-Monopolistic browser, no opera, dolphin, etc
-Purposeful widgets on desktop
-easier connectivity options
-add music w/o itunes
-Endless personalization
-More free apps, better free apps and more to come
-Better Google integration
-cheaper by the month
-cheaper initially
-no iAds
The list is endless.
Zebo - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Meant to say ..No Monopolistic browser, no opera, dolphin, etcAffectionate-Bed-980 - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Except Safari > xScope > Dolphin HD > Stock BrowserYes I'm an Android user. Flash is nice but almost useless on every website. Look at AT forums. Half the people talk about FlashBlock, NoScript, etc, disabling flash when they view websites. It's great for Hulu, Youtube, TV shows, and that's about it.
And if you talk about games, the iPhone games > flash games > Android games anyday. you don't NEED flash. I see this as a point people cry about but in raelity it's just meh.
"More free apps" - Except most Android apps suck. Free doesn't change a thing.
"Cheaper by the month" - How so? Use an N1 on AT&T and you get booted to $30/month. It's the same.
Quite honestly the iPhone's made many leaps and bounds just like Android has. I don't think the two are that far apart. Google still has a LOT of maturing to do.
medi01 - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
There is a huge gap caused by draconian restrictions on Apple's side. It would need a huge advantage on hardware/software side to compensate, which it doesn't have.The only thing it has is marketing advantage with gazillion of fanboish sites and fanboys spawning endless "news" about "apple did yet another tiny change".
Jobbs played this game in 80th and was completely destroyed by IBM's platform which was much less restrictive. Now he is likely to taste it again. Even in the lame US market, that seems to ignore brilliant phones made by Nokia/Samsung/Others.
medi01 - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Yep, add to it (I don't get why nobody mentions it):- You can copy your own stuff from your own phone
- You can copy stuff from more than one source
kmmatney - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
There are quite a few ways to copy files to the iPhone, both through the USB cable, and wirelessly. iPhone explore is one program you can use, and there are others.Foggg - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
... anything about updating the Evo to Android 2.2?VivekGowri - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Sprint and HTC have both said "soon", so I'd guess sometime later this summer.anactoraaron - Wednesday, June 9, 2010 - link
Am I the only one who can't figure out how we can have a AA battery @2650 mAh but can't flatten it into phone form? All of these great next-gen phones like the Evo, iPhone, and others -expecially the Cortex A9 based phones hopefully out by the end of the year- would GREATLY benefit from this. Is it impossible? Or cost-prohibitive?numberoneoppa - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Lithium Polymer batteries are far more advanced than anything that takes the shape of a AA battery. Also, don't forget that to be AA, you fall between 1.2 and 1.6V. These Li-Poly batteries are 3.7V per cell. For they're size, they're quite incredible.Pjotr - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
The lack of ISO standard weight numbers has actually caused me to visit this site less. I realize this when I read about this phone, because weight is my primary factor for phones and this article gave me no clue... so I go somewhere else to find out.Apocy - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
I don't get it, why do you always post prices of the phones that don't represent their actual price without contract.Yes the phone is 199$ but will 24 month contract which costs 70$ per month and the total then is...well you can calculate that.
It is very misleading this information that these kinds of phones actually cost (and will cost) far more. Actual price for HTC Evo if you want to buy the phone, not the company with the service along with it is 600$ not 199$.
FallenHero - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Maybe because it is more written for people looking to sign that contract. It is the way phones are advertised in terms of pricing...with contract. To buy a phone without a contract is pretty rare in the US.strikeback03 - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Plus, at least some (if not all) carriers in the US don't offer an off-contract rate, so if you are paying the same price for the service there isn't much reason not to take the phone subsidy.AmbroseAthan - Saturday, June 12, 2010 - link
If you are going to comment on the price, you could at least get it right.The phone is $449.99 without contracts.
semo - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
"though, is the sheer mass of the EVO, weighing in at 6 ounces. That's a full 1.4 oz heavier than the iPhone 3G, and definitely noticeable in hand."I stopped reading there. I'll wait for Anand's review, I simply do not understand your archaic language.
theeldest - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Really?http://lmgtfy.com/?q=6+ounces+in+stones
Does that help?
cactusjuggler - Wednesday, June 23, 2010 - link
The mysterious device, inscribed simply with the runes "HTC", doth weigh so heavily in hand and possesses such outstanding size that a warrior might easily be forgiven for thinking it a form of defensive battle implement. Indeed wielded by the hands of a knight with bold temperament, the device could be turned to the purposes of bludgeoning an unsuspecting foe.Gazing attentively upon the object reveals perhaps some deeper sorcery at play. A discerning eye may observe strange lights and illusions playing along the surface of this mysterious slab. Better let it burn to ash than come under the spell of such unknown enchantments.
Xenoterranos - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Regarding you leaving 4G on, I'm beginning to think that it may be the GPS that kills the battery more than the 4G.I left my phone off the charger last night with 4G turned on (and only 4G: 3G and everything else turned off) and the battery in the yellow (~30%).
I woke up this morning to a phone that had received all my email through the night, a text message, and a message over g Talk, with a battery that was still in the yellow.
Either the GPS is the culprit on your phone, or an app that is somehow constantly using the web. I make sure to kill all running apps if I know I'm not going to be using my phone in the immediate future.
That said, I get pretty good 4G reception where I live.
therealnickdanger - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
As impressive as the Evo is on paper and in person, I have to say that I don't think I'm going to upgrade until Sprint gets a Tegra-powered Android phone. Snapdragon is surely the coolest kid on the block right now, but Tegra just has so much more eye-candy-power in addition to its computing power relative to its TDP.The Evo might be "almost perfect", but the new line of Tegra phones will crush it.
austonia - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
and the Tegra 2/iPhone 5 will crush that, etc etc. just get the best thing available when you need it. if you've been with Sprint for awhile they stick you in a loyalty program where you can upgrade to a new phone every year (at the advertised price).raulr - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Just FYI...the Qualcomm Snapdragon Scorpion 1Ghz CPU is also an Arm Cortex A8 based processor. It's just Qualcomm's customized silicon, just as the A4 is a customized Cortex A8.tipoo - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Do it! I'm curious to know if they are using the full 1GHz speed of the A4, of if its a downclocked (or salvaged) version of the iPads chip. If it matches the Evo 4G, its likely 1GHz.Hardwood - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Just got my EVO yesterday. 1st Android phone and I'm leaving behind my Touch Pro2.I must say GOOD RIDDANCE to the TP2. Win 6.5 was a flop. It too was a battery hog, but cab file after cab file helped that.
Because of the TP2, I am more than used to keeping my phone plugged in wherever possible. At work, easy. In the car, easy. At night on the nightstand, easy.
Add to that the fact that the battery for the HTC Touch Pro2, Hero and now the EVO 4G are all the same battery!
Yep. The battery I carry (fully charged) in my wallet will drop right in to the EVO. If I ever get caught with a low battery, the hardest part will be shutting off the EVO to change batteries.
This phone is so full of cool features I cannot understate it. The iPhone led the way to where we are now. And at least until June 24th, there is a new leader in smart phones.
And to add insult to the iPhone user base, you will still be unable to pop out that SD card and give your pictures to a friend or print them at Walgreens. Oh, and when your iPhone battery dies, there won't be a spare waiting in your wallet.
Best. Phone. Ever.
btal - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
Many iPhone people are bashing the HTC EVO Battery which I agree is the biggest negative of the device, however at least you can take the battery out and put in a spare. With the iPhone you SOL if you forget your adapter to charge the iPhone. When are iPhone users going to admit that ATT network coverage is terrible, ATT can't handle the volume and users are getting screwed with ATT pricing plans. I am a big Apple user and the HTC EVO 4G from Sprint is the best device on the market to date.joe_dude - Thursday, June 10, 2010 - link
There are good tips to fix the battery life problems...http://jkontherun.com/2010/06/10/how-to-stretch-ba...
At least the EVO won't give you glass slivers like the iPhone 4 (it was a one-off test, so take it with a grain of salt). ;)
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/10/shat...
bruceb - Friday, June 11, 2010 - link
test postAdul - Sunday, June 13, 2010 - link
I installed a custom rom that supposedly improves battery life by killing some of the htc apps that suck away power. It would be good to cover this as to why the battery life is so bad.Death666Angel - Monday, June 14, 2010 - link
Hello!I really enjoyed this "first look" and am looking forward to the real test. I won't be shopping for a new phone for a while, since my Touch Pro 2 is only 10 months old (and I'm hoping for an Android port soon ;)), but am still interested in staying up-to-date with the development.
But after having read the N900/Droid comparison from Brian, I am really missing additional units for weight and size in the tablet above (or in the text). Only having the American inch and ounces is very irritating for me, as a European user. Why not have both and save me (and I am sure there are others) the trouble of firing up google to get it into our own measurements? :)
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