Just want to mention, I get a French cookie request. Dutch browser, on a German IP. The contact link at the bottom doesn't bring me any closer to somebody I would like to be in contact with. User agent Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 9; SM-G955F) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/80.0.3987.149 Mobile Safari/537.36 Ip X.152.173.42 Cheers
At face value, there doesn't seem to be anything particularly odd about a French cookie. With the number of advertising networks our publisher uses, you'll generally see numerous cookies.
Sorry, I don't know the right english semantics. What I meant was, the whole "Do you allow Anantech.com to store tracking cookies bla bla bla" popup is in French.
At this rate, they'll be right behind the bleeding edge fabs soon, which is a big deal. HiSilicon won't have to rely on TSMC (or Samsung) anymore, which is politically akward for a *number* of reasons.
At those levesl it is about money and lots of it. If GloFo had deep pockets as TSMC or Samsung they could get the 7nm EUV to mass production since they are private and they did not bring any profit they had to change their course. Now although SMIC is a public company it's one of the Chinese companies that are heavily underwritten by Chinese government, as the Chinese government sees independence in chip development and manufacturing as top national interest and the Chinese government has hundreds of billions to invest on their local leading technology companies.
Semiconductor is nothing like cars. 80% of making cars is variable cost while 90% of semi is fixed cost. You still need thousands of engineers in addition to billions of dollars, otherwise you might as well just set a fire to that pile of money. You can't produce good engineers like printing money.
Not really, bleeding edge fabs cost billions and billions and billions and each iteration get exponentially more complex and more expensive and longer to develop. They're getting billions and billions from the Chinese government but with this huge virus recession they may well get their funding cut off next month.
There's a reason there's only 3 cutting edge foundries left, and that's because it's just insanely complex and unaffordable to compete in this industry. Even if they keep getting funding it's not like TSMC, Intel, or Samsung are slowing down. Hell Samsung just committed billions more to compete with TSMC and Samsung. Just like with the "Chinese car manufacturing miracle!" that some have speculated would happen, for like a decade now without it panning out, SMIC could just as easily never catch up or even go under.
Recession? You do realise China is largely finished with the virus, right? Everywhere else is going into recession which is why they will need to spend to avoid being dragged down as well.
Exactly. They probably dosed the whole country with zpak+hydroxychloriquine (SP can't be bothered to look it up). It was probably a billion or two for that bill as they likely make the pills for under a buck each. Does a billion people with both, done. Before they got that they just killed infected by locking them up (welding doors shut, dumping truck loads in front of businesses etc). We can't do the same in USA, but doubtful we'll be affected for much longer once 10K doses that went to Cuomo get shown to be working. We will tell Merck or Phizer etc to make them in mass quantity and dose the public with both for 6 days or so. Done. However, shutting down has done massive damage already (3.3mil unemployed vs. 200K last time checked, could be 10mil next week). Go back to work, 1000 is not worth killing the whole economy. Heck 30K isn't worth that and the flu kills that yearly. We don't shutdown for the flu either! Not for mers, sars, etc.
Just do the same as you do for the flu season. Wash hands, stop touching face while out in public touching crap all day etc. If you GET sick, stay home for the week. IF you have old people around you, stay away from them as much as possible, and they should do the same already! Maybe 60+ ages don't work in dangerous places for a while until we get more data on it after people are dosed with all the different ways we're currently looking at (even plasma for really sick can keep them going until pill popping can happen). Once we have a few ways of knocking it out, send even the older workers back to work in full.
Smart small shutdowns, not the entire country for basically NO reason (compared to all the things that kill FAR MORE yearly that we do NOTHING like this for).
This kind of attitude got us where we are now in Spain and Italy. There is so much wrong in what you say, you haven't learn anything of what's happening on other countries. It doesn't matter, you will see it soon enough in New York.
This poses the basis for the production of modern DRAM chips which will overcome US production. If Chinese can make their own memory in house for their own market (they do not need to export it nor to come up with any patent infringement) it will be a big problem for competitors.
5g backbone i'd understand, but in addition the US killed china's dram. has apparently banned EUV sales to china because of "dual use millitary" applications. killed Huawei software links to google, and now is looking to bully TSMC on CPU sales to huawei, by making it choose between china and US.
thats some deep cold war level hate the world really does not need right now. I hope china's response is to make their own ASML and Applied Materials and that will be it. if it was putin he'd reply by arming taliban or some other crazy games that takes us straight back into the 60s and 70s
Intel were having trouble with quad patterning for 10nm or smaller equivalent process. You don't need EUVL for all 7nm layers but it would help the transistor layers and the first wire layer above. Is the 63% area reduction mean an area of 14 x 14 becomes about 8.5 x 8.5? Some may call it 8.5nm when compared to their 14nm process or 10nm+ compared to 14nm from other FABS with better versions of 14nm?
"SMIC first started volume production of chips using its 14 nm FinFET fabrication process" Reads: Yield problems with 14nm process is not solved yet.
"N+1 lowers power consumption by 57%, increases performance by 20%, and reduces logic area by up to 63%. " Reads: The first node after 14nm but we do not want to call it 10nm.
Why does N+2 get EUV? You should not sell them this tech EVER. PERIOD. China needs to be kicked out of WTO and USA needs to move everything they can possible, back to USA. All pills, medical devices, and much more that is now shown a national security risk at best. IT is time to bankrupt them or get regime change. THEY are why we are here today with Wuhan Virus. 7mil escaped to everywhere before they told us.
Lol, you have some brain problem like your orange master. You gave nothing and can bring back nothing and you can just bankrupt yourself like your orange. Go get some American swine flu coming from your American swines.
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Foeketijn - Monday, March 23, 2020 - link
Just want to mention, I get a French cookie request.Dutch browser, on a German IP. The contact link at the bottom doesn't bring me any closer to somebody I would like to be in contact with.
User agent Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; Android 9; SM-G955F) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/80.0.3987.149 Mobile Safari/537.36
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Ryan Smith - Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - link
Thanks for the heads up.At face value, there doesn't seem to be anything particularly odd about a French cookie. With the number of advertising networks our publisher uses, you'll generally see numerous cookies.
None the less, if you do want to contact someone on the publisher side of things: https://www.futureplc.com/contact/
Foeketijn - Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - link
Sorry, I don't know the right english semantics.What I meant was, the whole "Do you allow Anantech.com to store tracking cookies bla bla bla" popup is in French.
brucethemoose - Monday, March 23, 2020 - link
So they're passing GloFo now?At this rate, they'll be right behind the bleeding edge fabs soon, which is a big deal. HiSilicon won't have to rely on TSMC (or Samsung) anymore, which is politically akward for a *number* of reasons.
Eliadbu - Monday, March 23, 2020 - link
At those levesl it is about money and lots of it. If GloFo had deep pockets as TSMC or Samsung they could get the 7nm EUV to mass production since they are private and they did not bring any profit they had to change their course. Now although SMIC is a public company it's one of the Chinese companies that are heavily underwritten by Chinese government, as the Chinese government sees independence in chip development and manufacturing as top national interest and the Chinese government has hundreds of billions to invest on their local leading technology companies.wr3zzz - Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - link
Semiconductor is nothing like cars. 80% of making cars is variable cost while 90% of semi is fixed cost. You still need thousands of engineers in addition to billions of dollars, otherwise you might as well just set a fire to that pile of money. You can't produce good engineers like printing money.Frenetic Pony - Monday, March 23, 2020 - link
Not really, bleeding edge fabs cost billions and billions and billions and each iteration get exponentially more complex and more expensive and longer to develop. They're getting billions and billions from the Chinese government but with this huge virus recession they may well get their funding cut off next month.There's a reason there's only 3 cutting edge foundries left, and that's because it's just insanely complex and unaffordable to compete in this industry. Even if they keep getting funding it's not like TSMC, Intel, or Samsung are slowing down. Hell Samsung just committed billions more to compete with TSMC and Samsung. Just like with the "Chinese car manufacturing miracle!" that some have speculated would happen, for like a decade now without it panning out, SMIC could just as easily never catch up or even go under.
dotjaz - Wednesday, March 25, 2020 - link
Recession? You do realise China is largely finished with the virus, right? Everywhere else is going into recession which is why they will need to spend to avoid being dragged down as well.TheJian - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Exactly. They probably dosed the whole country with zpak+hydroxychloriquine (SP can't be bothered to look it up). It was probably a billion or two for that bill as they likely make the pills for under a buck each. Does a billion people with both, done. Before they got that they just killed infected by locking them up (welding doors shut, dumping truck loads in front of businesses etc). We can't do the same in USA, but doubtful we'll be affected for much longer once 10K doses that went to Cuomo get shown to be working. We will tell Merck or Phizer etc to make them in mass quantity and dose the public with both for 6 days or so. Done. However, shutting down has done massive damage already (3.3mil unemployed vs. 200K last time checked, could be 10mil next week). Go back to work, 1000 is not worth killing the whole economy. Heck 30K isn't worth that and the flu kills that yearly. We don't shutdown for the flu either! Not for mers, sars, etc.Just do the same as you do for the flu season. Wash hands, stop touching face while out in public touching crap all day etc. If you GET sick, stay home for the week. IF you have old people around you, stay away from them as much as possible, and they should do the same already! Maybe 60+ ages don't work in dangerous places for a while until we get more data on it after people are dosed with all the different ways we're currently looking at (even plasma for really sick can keep them going until pill popping can happen). Once we have a few ways of knocking it out, send even the older workers back to work in full.
Smart small shutdowns, not the entire country for basically NO reason (compared to all the things that kill FAR MORE yearly that we do NOTHING like this for).
MarcGP - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Indeed, "it's just another flu" /sThis kind of attitude got us where we are now in Spain and Italy. There is so much wrong in what you say, you haven't learn anything of what's happening on other countries. It doesn't matter, you will see it soon enough in New York.
CiccioB - Monday, March 23, 2020 - link
This poses the basis for the production of modern DRAM chips which will overcome US production.If Chinese can make their own memory in house for their own market (they do not need to export it nor to come up with any patent infringement) it will be a big problem for competitors.
asdfzxh - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link
Any can do any. Your limited vision is for yourself.azfacea - Monday, March 23, 2020 - link
5g backbone i'd understand, but in addition the US killed china's dram. has apparently banned EUV sales to china because of "dual use millitary" applications. killed Huawei software links to google, and now is looking to bully TSMC on CPU sales to huawei, by making it choose between china and US.thats some deep cold war level hate the world really does not need right now. I hope china's response is to make their own ASML and Applied Materials and that will be it. if it was putin he'd reply by arming taliban or some other crazy games that takes us straight back into the 60s and 70s
tygrus - Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - link
Intel were having trouble with quad patterning for 10nm or smaller equivalent process. You don't need EUVL for all 7nm layers but it would help the transistor layers and the first wire layer above.Is the 63% area reduction mean an area of 14 x 14 becomes about 8.5 x 8.5? Some may call it 8.5nm when compared to their 14nm process or 10nm+ compared to 14nm from other FABS with better versions of 14nm?
hyno111 - Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - link
"SMIC first started volume production of chips using its 14 nm FinFET fabrication process"Reads: Yield problems with 14nm process is not solved yet.
"N+1 lowers power consumption by 57%, increases performance by 20%, and reduces logic area by up to 63%. "
Reads: The first node after 14nm but we do not want to call it 10nm.
dotjaz - Wednesday, March 25, 2020 - link
It's up to almost triple the density of their 14nm, why would they call it 10nm?TheJian - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Why does N+2 get EUV? You should not sell them this tech EVER. PERIOD. China needs to be kicked out of WTO and USA needs to move everything they can possible, back to USA. All pills, medical devices, and much more that is now shown a national security risk at best. IT is time to bankrupt them or get regime change. THEY are why we are here today with Wuhan Virus. 7mil escaped to everywhere before they told us.MarcGP - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
That's some deep racism you got there. That's not healthy, better see a doctor.asdfzxh - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link
Lol, you have some brain problem like your orange master. You gave nothing and can bring back nothing and you can just bankrupt yourself like your orange. Go get some American swine flu coming from your American swines.youtubemptwo - Saturday, April 25, 2020 - link
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