Yeah, that's when Zen 2 based APUs should be (pre-)announced. I just hope that the rumor of them still having Vega iGPUs -despite the cores switching to Zen 2 along with the switch to TSMC's much tighter 7nm(+) node- will turn out to be invalid. AMD can differentiate discreet vs integrated Navi via numbers of SPs and dedicated graphics memory vs utilization of system memory. They really don't have to prolong Vega/GCN's retirement needlessly.
So far, what we have is solid evidence in the driver commits in Linux that Renoir will have VEGA CUs (specifically, the same mildly revised ones that were in VEGA VII, which was also made on 7nm.) This makes sense for how AMD approaches the mobile/APU market as more of a "lets put these pieces together and sell into a high volume space" kind of product. It also looks like it will have an updated media-encoding engine as well, which will be very welcome.
renoir will finally solve intel's supply issues. until now the ppl who had reason to switch to ryzen were mostly DIY PC and HEDT PC builders which are small even if AMD took 50%.
renoir will give huge reasons for enterprise it and consumer laptops to switch (7nm power efficiency, pcie4, better security) and switch they will in droves and a large enough market to finally let intel off the hook for their supply issues. this will be a scalabale supply because TSMC unlike intel, has moore's law contributing to their transistor output.
cheer up intel you might finally have enough supply after losing 50% of laptops.
That would be a very pyrrhic supply issue resolution. I am sure AMD would love that, though Intel would dread such a thing. When everything else fails Intel will resort to good old marketing and PR. It almost looks like they are spending more money on them nowadays than for R&D. And they surely have a lot more money to burn on FUD campaigns against AMD.
We've seen this before, haven't we? The bigger one is more likely to be used docked or going desk to desk, while the smaller one is for on the move, so it needs a bigger battery.
The engineers seems to be high. Smaller battery on the larger one? And they seem to use the HDD as an excuse. It better to not have it and have have a larger battery at least as an option. Or better, just have a second M.2 slot...
And why no Wifi 6? It seems AMD hasn't yet pushed for it from it's partners. Almost all AMD laptops are WiFi 5.
Skipping from a 802.11n to 802.11ax router should offer a better experience. At this point, I would probably not buy a new laptop without 802.11ax, Bluetooth 5 with the optional long-range mode, and AV1 hardware decode.
Agreed that the absence of WiFi 6 is not really a significant problem. It's especially lacking in relevance for people that ride whatever junk wireless happens to be provided by their ISP's equipment or what happens to be available while out and about. There just isnt a lot of benefit at this point unless you're shuffling huge files over WiFi locally or happen to be among the fortunate few with a very fast connection to the Internet.
16GB would be a nice baseline, but OEMs will cling to what they feel is the lowest minimum possible for as long as possible. That's okay if its easy to upgrade but in the case of a lot of modern hardware with soldered RAM and no expansion slots it can be a problem. At this point I wouldn't wnat to purchase a new laptop with less than 16GB just to ensure it has some longevity.
Spelling error: "...but in case of the MagicBook 15 the design decision is a complete mystery at lease for now." "least" no "lease": "...but in case of the MagicBook 15 the design decision is a complete mystery at least for now."
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airdrifting - Tuesday, December 3, 2019 - link
So are those Zen+ or Zen 2? If it's still Zen+ I will wait.ragenalien - Tuesday, December 3, 2019 - link
+. There are no Zen 2 APU's yet.nandnandnand - Tuesday, December 3, 2019 - link
Expect Zen 2 mobile announcement at CES 2020, Jan 7-10.Santoval - Tuesday, December 3, 2019 - link
Yeah, that's when Zen 2 based APUs should be (pre-)announced. I just hope that the rumor of them still having Vega iGPUs -despite the cores switching to Zen 2 along with the switch to TSMC's much tighter 7nm(+) node- will turn out to be invalid.AMD can differentiate discreet vs integrated Navi via numbers of SPs and dedicated graphics memory vs utilization of system memory. They really don't have to prolong Vega/GCN's retirement needlessly.
ET - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
Vega seems like a solid enough rumour.Spunjji - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
Sadly so. It's a big disappointment, given the serious performance per watt benefits of RDNA.lightningz71 - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
So far, what we have is solid evidence in the driver commits in Linux that Renoir will have VEGA CUs (specifically, the same mildly revised ones that were in VEGA VII, which was also made on 7nm.) This makes sense for how AMD approaches the mobile/APU market as more of a "lets put these pieces together and sell into a high volume space" kind of product. It also looks like it will have an updated media-encoding engine as well, which will be very welcome.Sttm - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
Zen+, 3000 mobile chips are worse than Intel, really no reason to get one except great pricing.azfacea - Tuesday, December 3, 2019 - link
renoir will finally solve intel's supply issues. until now the ppl who had reason to switch to ryzen were mostly DIY PC and HEDT PC builders which are small even if AMD took 50%.renoir will give huge reasons for enterprise it and consumer laptops to switch (7nm power efficiency, pcie4, better security) and switch they will in droves and a large enough market to finally let intel off the hook for their supply issues. this will be a scalabale supply because TSMC unlike intel, has moore's law contributing to their transistor output.
cheer up intel you might finally have enough supply after losing 50% of laptops.
Santoval - Tuesday, December 3, 2019 - link
That would be a very pyrrhic supply issue resolution. I am sure AMD would love that, though Intel would dread such a thing. When everything else fails Intel will resort to good old marketing and PR. It almost looks like they are spending more money on them nowadays than for R&D. And they surely have a lot more money to burn on FUD campaigns against AMD.samuraipai - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
sorry, does the 14" laptop have a larger battery than the 15"? Or was that just a copy error?GreenReaper - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
We've seen this before, haven't we? The bigger one is more likely to be used docked or going desk to desk, while the smaller one is for on the move, so it needs a bigger battery.Xajel - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
The engineers seems to be high. Smaller battery on the larger one? And they seem to use the HDD as an excuse. It better to not have it and have have a larger battery at least as an option. Or better, just have a second M.2 slot...And why no Wifi 6? It seems AMD hasn't yet pushed for it from it's partners. Almost all AMD laptops are WiFi 5.
And please please. No more 8GB minimum RAM.
Spunjji - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
It would be nice to have better WiFi, but let's be honest - does it make any real difference?nandnandnand - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
It has a number of improvements. Even if you don't care about multi-gigabit speeds, it should improve reliability at longer ranges:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ax#Techni...
Skipping from a 802.11n to 802.11ax router should offer a better experience. At this point, I would probably not buy a new laptop without 802.11ax, Bluetooth 5 with the optional long-range mode, and AV1 hardware decode.
PeachNCream - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
Agreed that the absence of WiFi 6 is not really a significant problem. It's especially lacking in relevance for people that ride whatever junk wireless happens to be provided by their ISP's equipment or what happens to be available while out and about. There just isnt a lot of benefit at this point unless you're shuffling huge files over WiFi locally or happen to be among the fortunate few with a very fast connection to the Internet.PeachNCream - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
16GB would be a nice baseline, but OEMs will cling to what they feel is the lowest minimum possible for as long as possible. That's okay if its easy to upgrade but in the case of a lot of modern hardware with soldered RAM and no expansion slots it can be a problem. At this point I wouldn't wnat to purchase a new laptop with less than 16GB just to ensure it has some longevity.Alistair - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
wow those are some small batteriesVepsa - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link
If only it was easy to get one of these in the US. I'd love the 14" one.ballsystemlord - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link
Spelling error:"...but in case of the MagicBook 15 the design decision is a complete mystery at lease for now."
"least" no "lease":
"...but in case of the MagicBook 15 the design decision is a complete mystery at least for now."