When I think about it- We are missing very important trend that AMD started from Ryzen: With each Ryzen Generation- AMD Doubled the existing performance/Core count, Quad Core Desktops became Octa-core, and soons 16Core, same on HEDT from 8C ~16C~32C~and soon 64C. This king of performance uplift is not normal and usual - and all of this in just ~2 Years! This is why Dr. Lisa Su keeps saying " inflection point ".
No, Ryzen 1700 or 1700X to 2700X was 8 core to 8 core, and the move from 4.0GHz to 4.3GHz even with the 3-5 percent IPC improvement wasn't double. Ryzen third generation may(not confirmed) bring us 16 cores. This jump to the third generation Ryzen will provide more cores, but even without additional cores, it looks like a 40 percent performance boost over first generation(5GHz on 8, 12, or 16 cores is a 25 percent clock speed boost, combined with the expected 13-15 percent IPC boost, but then expecting that real world performance won't be quite as good as these numbers might imply).
Threadripper on the other hand...that would be fun for those who use programs that know how to use all those cores.
I'm skeptical we'll see 16 core on Ryzen 3, AMD all but ruled it out by saying Ryzen 3 was only going to have a single chiplet. Beyond that it would eat into their HEDT platform by bleeding off Threadripper purchasers. Ryzen 3 will be 8 core max. AMD isn't going to double cores on the low end where single core performance is still relevant.
AMD did not say that in the slightest. Ryzen 3rd generation is NOT the same as Ryzen 3. Remember to pay attention to terminology. AMD has used Ryzen 3 for 4 core, 4 thread for the first and second generation, Ryzen 5 is both 4 core/8 thread and 6 core/12 thread, and Ryzen 7 is 8 core/16 thread. For the third generation, Ryzen 3 and 5 may be single chiplet plus I/O, while Ryzen 7 and 9 may be either single or dual chipset plus I/O. Note that third generation Ryzen will have Ryzen 3 chips listed, so it is only sloppy people like you that keeps saying Ryzen 3 when talking about Ryzen third generation that cause any confusion.
Really? I've read the interview Ian did with her and it was pretty clear that she emphasized, as I remember, "there is a space for another chiplet on there, but we aren't saying anything else...". And AMD is hardly going to eat into the PCIe monster and quad channel bandwidth beast Threadripper just by offering a 16C Ryzen 3 with dual channel and 20 or so PCIe lanes (albeit 4.0). There probably aren't many people who just want cores without the lanes and memory bandwidth and are interested in spending tons of money.
Probably chiplet design but the really big question is if there'll be version with eDRAM for the GPU in some form. A version with 16/20 Vega cores and just 1-2GB HBM2 leveraging HBCC to its full potential would be interesting indeed. A potential game changer for mobile market.
How about one chiplet with 8 cores and one with 4 + vega cores, i.e next gen APU, crazy yeah but why not, add an infinity fabric link for peer 2 peer with external GPU, well one can dream right :)
One a more sober note, I doubt we'll see more than 12 cores on Ryzen for now, more likely 1 ryzen chiplet and one vega chiplet. 8 Zen2 cores is all I need for now.
>it looks like a 40 percent performance boost That's not going to happen, dude. Ryzen 3 is a node shrink, not magic. At best we'll see 8% or so IPC improvements. Intel's massive RND budget couldn't even muster 5% generational IPC improvements, and often had to resort to ever increasingly higher clockspeeds and TDP to retain a steady "overall" performance climb compared to the previous generation offering. Ryzen hasn't been super stable with higher clocks, so we may see the clockspeed per core rise a palty .3GHz or so like with Ryzen 1 -> 2, in addition to a potentially higher priced SKU with more cores, but that's it.
Zen 2 is a node and architectural change. Intel hasn't done either in 3 or 4 years (Since the original Skylake), each "Lake" has been simply improvements to the 14nm Process they have, squeezing more clocks out of the design.
Zen 2 is akin to going from Haswell Refresh to Skylake. Zen+ was simply a node change with minor improvements. Zen 2 is a different beast. That being said, I'm only expecting a boost of about 15% max from Zen+ on Zen2. Which would still be more than enough to win performance crowns if AMD does it right.
A 486SX is a CPU. Technically speaking there were 8 cores in a BD-derived octa-core. Practically speaking... it performed more like 4 plus SMT in many situations. The design seemed good on paper, not so much in practice. Especially when they realized they couldn't hit the clocks they hoped for, at least not within sane power targets. Hindsight being 20/20, they should have taken some of their improvements and built a K10+.
come on navi 10 and 20 details. just knowing that navi 20 will be enthusiast grade is cool. would be nice if they are cheaper than the current cards though. performance/price should go up not down like it has been.
I'm curious, what makes anyone think Navi 20 will be 'enthusiast grade' when it's literally never happened before? AMD has been pushing APUs since forever and haven't made a useful one yet
Comments like this one are great, because you can make a pretty good guess as to how long someone has been a PC hardware enthusiast. For Mr. Pants here, I'm guessing it's less than ten years, because he clearly doesn't remember any of the times when AMD/ATi offered better products than NVIDIA.
Lmao, what kind of nonsensical response is that? I didn't say anything bad about AMD.
I was all excited about APUs when they were first announced, thinking they could replace a GPU, but they're literally all useless for anything but 720p gaming, up to and including 2400G.
Yep, you are right. I saw the CPU-related stuff in the article, and was reading another comment about chiplets.. Got confused and thought his comment was talking about possible upcoming AMD APUs with Navi. My apologies.
Bit of a wishful think on my part, hoping that AMD will finally release an APU with powerful graphics. The Xbox One/PS4 design is great. Imagine shipping an APU with a giant 300W tower cooler and dual fans, it would be an interesting novelty.
Why bring APUs to discussion? Navi won't be in any APU before 2020 if it even comes. He seems to believe AMD will make a midrange and a highend dGPU. We shall see how that turns out.
Anyway, consoles are pretty nice APUs, and the Ryzen APUs are fine for cheap gaming PCs too.
How long have you been following this stuff? AMD/ATI used to trade blows with Nvidia all the time on the high end of GPUs. There were a few generations there, 9700pro X800, where they were really kicking ass.
AMD has stated in the past that the initial release of Navi would be a mid-range product with GDDR memory with a higher end version with HBM2 memory released later. AMD never bothered to add GDDR memory support to Vega which would have allowed mid-range Vega products, simply because HBM2 memory costs too much to make it work in a mid-range product.
As far as what makes an APU useful, AMD was able to survive with the A8/A10/A12 quad-core products due to being quad-core with better graphics than the dual-core Intel crap in the same price range, even though AMD was fading prior to Ryzen. The A12 vs. the i3 and dual-core i5 chips wasn't a bad alternative in the 7th gen Intel days.
Yeah in hindsight they should have built a smaller Vega with GDDR support. A Vega 40 (and cut-down Vega 36) with GDDR would have been much more competitive in the midrange. Right now there's a big gap in their lineup between 590 and Vega. But I don't think when they were building Vega they expected Navi to be so quite that far away, and they didn't want to waste the resources designing a stopgap.
pants u are trolling or misinformed. in case u are misinformed radeon vii has been out for some time now. not sure how you missed that one. also not sure how you missed the news on navi yet feel free to comment on it. please leave your assumptions and lack of knowledge in your mothers basement.
Dr. Su has earned all of the praise and attention she is getting! She has taken a heap of a mess, and turned it into something special and awesome. First time ever in my life I am considering an AMD chip for the heart of my personal desktop, and I have been building since the mid 90s.
Agreed that Dr. Su has done good things for AMD and its always interesting to hear what she has to say about the future. I want to see AMD improve on the mobile front as there are still a few hiccups in all-important laptops that are at least seeing less of a decline than desktop computers are these days. Ryzen's idle power consumption is currently behind Intel and that has adverse impacts on battery life. I doubt its an easy fix or the problem would have already been solved so it seems like we're looking at something baked into the design, but once that matter is settled, I'd also be in for an AMD-based computer again - laptop of course because I don't care much for using a desktop.
You cannot base AMD Ryzen mobile battery life as a "flat" number seeing as there is how many vendors that use their chip/design in their laptops/notebooks etc?
Many of those vendors for quite a number of years (still to this day) auto-gimp AMD based systems in regards to component selection, cooling design, TDP selection etc.
This is not a "cut and dry" simple thing because it is nigh on impossible to compare apples to apples because you are not comparing base chip to base chip there is a crud load more behind all them numbers not to mention the folks testing them, the tests they are using etc etc.
Keep it simple, there is always and likely will be bias skewing numbers up that benefit Intel of Nv in regards to performance/power use/temperatures and conversely much of those same tests will find ways to hamstring the AMD systems.
At this point, I'm not overly concerned with who the culprit is behind the idle power consumption issues that mobile Ryzen suffers from (idle consumption measured at the wall which is not impacted by battery capacity) and I'm not going to attempt to point fingers due to a lack of available, reliable data because it doesn't alter my buying decision. I'm concerned with the end result - sufficient computing power with sufficient cooling capacity at a tolerable price point. I am brand agnostic.
You mean 'suffered from', past tense. Ryzen 3000 mobile has apparently been fixed.
To quote from Anand on Ryzen 3000 mobile- "When it comes to battery life, HP claims that its AMD Ryzen Mobile-powered Envy x360 15 convertibles offer exactly the same battery life as Intel-based machines: up to 13 hours of mixed usage when equipped with a 55.67 Wh battery."
Claim needs to be tested obviously, but if true it will make APU notebooks the ones to have because HD620 is woefully inadequate compared to Vega 8/10.
AMD deserves credit for getting back to competitiveness. But, this was about Intel fumbling as much as it is AMD moving forward.
If Intel was on their own 7nm by now and it was better than TSMC's, we'd be looking at yet another case of AMD trying to play catch-up, and differentiate based on core count rather than being able to compete directly.
But coming back to reality, Intel is still stuck on 14nm for the most part, and can't even meet demand for those chips.
And considering the vastly different wealth they operate at, this is a miracle on par with Leicester winning the PL. I'm not happy Intel fucked up, but I'm happy AMD is back with something competitive. Now here's to hoping their GPU division gets a winner too and general pricing comes down a little bit. :D
And yet, Intel 10nm is nowhere near being ready, no Intel 7nm, and Intel making claims of being close....yea, in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, Intel keeps saying it is on track. At this point, no one should believe Intel is ready to release ANYTHING until it is available in large quantities outside of review samples.
its hard to distinguish amd vs intel based on manufacturing. intels fabs are behind but they havent fallen behind due to this. if amd want to use 7nm its expensive for them. they dont own the tech and they compete with big companies to use it. its also expensive in general. its going to be harder and harder to squeeze out an advantage due to fabrication iterations. the way it will be done is through multichip technologies and amd got their foot in that door first with an approach that the used for both cpu and gpu tech. amds real victory (or progress toward it) comes from the fact that they used their limited rd budget effectively by developing things that can be used for multiple product types. zen with infinity fabric makes epyc. infinity fabric is also used for navi for gpus. and it focuses on multichip fabrication which lowers cost more than a new fabrication node from tsmc does. amd have had a smart approach.
Just to have been able to make her company shift their mind from pessimism to enthusiasm, is saying a lot. She probably gave AMD the requirements for being able to elevate the company to new levels. I don't believe Intel will ever be able to push back the lid on the cauldron anymore.
Back in the days of the 386 and 486, AMD chips were a literal clone with 40MHz instead of 33MHz for the base or multiplier, so Intel had the 386-33, 386-66, and 386-100, while AMD had the 386-40, 80, and 120. Since AMD was socket compatible with Intel in those days and worked on the same motherboards, going Intel was taking the slower chip. It was the AMD K5 and K6 era where AMD lagged, but then Athlon brought AMD back in and kicked Intel so hard, the Pentium 3 was retired.
The 386 never clocked higher than 40MHz. You may be thinking about the 486 which did support the range of speeds you're listing. It's also notable that although the Pentium 3 was retired, the Pentium M processors that followed the P4 shared an awful lot in common with the P3.
Goes to show how being tired will affect memory. Yep, the Penium M, and even the entire Core series is really an extension from the Pentium 3, which wasn't the first to use that design.
That she absolutely has, at the very least she likely was the muscle all them putzes needed to put the ship headed in the right direction AND she was able to tilt the angle of said ship in subtle but effective ways.
Ryzen was her and teams baby, amazing all around and there is likely a serious amount of things they know they can tweak that much further should it be required. Treadripper, EPYC very much are almost a culmination of ideas that cam many generations ago cementing some of it. Hypertransport got Infinity Fabric AM4 has been very great just like all previous AM sockets Athlon 64 became Ryzen Athlon FX (quad father) became Threadripper (the true FASN8 return from the dead lol) Opteron became EPYC
I wish they had better thought out the 1xxx 2xxx naming earlier on as the name Ryzen+ would have been ok, but it seemed like there was way to much #$%$# confusion in this regard for nothing AND Ryzen 3xxx for the mobile crowd is NOT 7nm nor 2nd generation either which is going to $%#@$% with things even more.
blekkk.....beyond the numbering/naming the ship has been turned into much better waters since Dr Lisa Su took over as captain, she got a team assembled, likely had a key part in tweaking things as well, she got the right talent and ensured the wrong got pushed along the merry way.
Shem most analyst not see where AMD was, where they went, whom they face and how uphill they shot in very short order beating everyone's estimates time and again, sad that all misteps of everyone else are what hold AMD valuation lower than it should be especially when they also have to deal with their own misteps causing valuations to go wacky.
The news might be about Microsoft new datacenter centric xbox experience. Just imagine the blow to Nvidia as a statement. We all know it is coming to either E3... or there?
Why would they use Nvidia? The Xbox currently uses an AMD APU so it's far more likely they'd stay on the same platform. Google Stadia also uses AMD hardware, although in the beginning they're using existing redundant Intel CPUs until they can be replaced.
The Ryzen 3 Not the Ryzen Third Gen is clearly a budget chip so the idea of putting over 4 to 6 cores would defeat the reason for having that chip in the first place. Plus adding 16 cores to any chip limited to 24 PCI express lanes would not in any way take away from my Threadrippers 64 PCI express lanes. The cores are not in any way what separates the different chips. Even though most AM4 boards offer multiple PCIex16 slots, only ONE can be used at x16, therefore, SLI is pointless as with multiple M.2 slots. Get the point?
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BigMamaInHouse - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
When I think about it- We are missing very important trend that AMD started from Ryzen:With each Ryzen Generation- AMD Doubled the existing performance/Core count, Quad Core Desktops became Octa-core, and soons 16Core, same on HEDT from 8C ~16C~32C~and soon 64C.
This king of performance uplift is not normal and usual - and all of this in just ~2 Years!
This is why Dr. Lisa Su keeps saying " inflection point ".
Targon - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
No, Ryzen 1700 or 1700X to 2700X was 8 core to 8 core, and the move from 4.0GHz to 4.3GHz even with the 3-5 percent IPC improvement wasn't double. Ryzen third generation may(not confirmed) bring us 16 cores. This jump to the third generation Ryzen will provide more cores, but even without additional cores, it looks like a 40 percent performance boost over first generation(5GHz on 8, 12, or 16 cores is a 25 percent clock speed boost, combined with the expected 13-15 percent IPC boost, but then expecting that real world performance won't be quite as good as these numbers might imply).Threadripper on the other hand...that would be fun for those who use programs that know how to use all those cores.
rahvin - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
I'm skeptical we'll see 16 core on Ryzen 3, AMD all but ruled it out by saying Ryzen 3 was only going to have a single chiplet. Beyond that it would eat into their HEDT platform by bleeding off Threadripper purchasers. Ryzen 3 will be 8 core max. AMD isn't going to double cores on the low end where single core performance is still relevant.Targon - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
AMD did not say that in the slightest. Ryzen 3rd generation is NOT the same as Ryzen 3. Remember to pay attention to terminology. AMD has used Ryzen 3 for 4 core, 4 thread for the first and second generation, Ryzen 5 is both 4 core/8 thread and 6 core/12 thread, and Ryzen 7 is 8 core/16 thread. For the third generation, Ryzen 3 and 5 may be single chiplet plus I/O, while Ryzen 7 and 9 may be either single or dual chipset plus I/O. Note that third generation Ryzen will have Ryzen 3 chips listed, so it is only sloppy people like you that keeps saying Ryzen 3 when talking about Ryzen third generation that cause any confusion.Death666Angel - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Really? I've read the interview Ian did with her and it was pretty clear that she emphasized, as I remember, "there is a space for another chiplet on there, but we aren't saying anything else...". And AMD is hardly going to eat into the PCIe monster and quad channel bandwidth beast Threadripper just by offering a 16C Ryzen 3 with dual channel and 20 or so PCIe lanes (albeit 4.0). There probably aren't many people who just want cores without the lanes and memory bandwidth and are interested in spending tons of money.Alexvrb - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
I'm also interested to see what they do for APUs. Chiplet approach for the GPU? Or use a different I/O chip that has the GPU built-in?SaturnusDK - Wednesday, April 3, 2019 - link
Probably chiplet design but the really big question is if there'll be version with eDRAM for the GPU in some form. A version with 16/20 Vega cores and just 1-2GB HBM2 leveraging HBCC to its full potential would be interesting indeed. A potential game changer for mobile market.Zoolook - Friday, April 5, 2019 - link
How about one chiplet with 8 cores and one with 4 + vega cores, i.e next gen APU, crazy yeah but why not, add an infinity fabric link for peer 2 peer with external GPU, well one can dream right :)One a more sober note, I doubt we'll see more than 12 cores on Ryzen for now, more likely 1 ryzen chiplet and one vega chiplet. 8 Zen2 cores is all I need for now.
JoeyJoJo123 - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
>it looks like a 40 percent performance boostThat's not going to happen, dude. Ryzen 3 is a node shrink, not magic. At best we'll see 8% or so IPC improvements. Intel's massive RND budget couldn't even muster 5% generational IPC improvements, and often had to resort to ever increasingly higher clockspeeds and TDP to retain a steady "overall" performance climb compared to the previous generation offering. Ryzen hasn't been super stable with higher clocks, so we may see the clockspeed per core rise a palty .3GHz or so like with Ryzen 1 -> 2, in addition to a potentially higher priced SKU with more cores, but that's it.
Xyler94 - Monday, April 8, 2019 - link
Zen 2 is a node and architectural change. Intel hasn't done either in 3 or 4 years (Since the original Skylake), each "Lake" has been simply improvements to the 14nm Process they have, squeezing more clocks out of the design.Zen 2 is akin to going from Haswell Refresh to Skylake. Zen+ was simply a node change with minor improvements. Zen 2 is a different beast. That being said, I'm only expecting a boost of about 15% max from Zen+ on Zen2. Which would still be more than enough to win performance crowns if AMD does it right.
WinterCharm - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
Leaked benchmarks have all but confirmed 13% IPC improvements.Bulat Ziganshin - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
actually, AMD was 8 cores since 2011 till today. While Intel doubled number of cores in a bit more than year.DigitalFreak - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
We'll have to agree to disagree on the whole "not really 8 cores" thing with Bulldozer.Alexvrb - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
A 486SX is a CPU. Technically speaking there were 8 cores in a BD-derived octa-core. Practically speaking... it performed more like 4 plus SMT in many situations. The design seemed good on paper, not so much in practice. Especially when they realized they couldn't hit the clocks they hoped for, at least not within sane power targets. Hindsight being 20/20, they should have taken some of their improvements and built a K10+.Opencg - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
come on navi 10 and 20 details. just knowing that navi 20 will be enthusiast grade is cool. would be nice if they are cheaper than the current cards though. performance/price should go up not down like it has been.flyingpants265 - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
I'm curious, what makes anyone think Navi 20 will be 'enthusiast grade' when it's literally never happened before? AMD has been pushing APUs since forever and haven't made a useful one yetGoty - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Comments like this one are great, because you can make a pretty good guess as to how long someone has been a PC hardware enthusiast. For Mr. Pants here, I'm guessing it's less than ten years, because he clearly doesn't remember any of the times when AMD/ATi offered better products than NVIDIA.flyingpants265 - Thursday, April 4, 2019 - link
Lmao, what kind of nonsensical response is that? I didn't say anything bad about AMD.I was all excited about APUs when they were first announced, thinking they could replace a GPU, but they're literally all useless for anything but 720p gaming, up to and including 2400G.
GruenSein - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
You are confusing things...flyingpants265 - Thursday, April 4, 2019 - link
Yep, you are right. I saw the CPU-related stuff in the article, and was reading another comment about chiplets.. Got confused and thought his comment was talking about possible upcoming AMD APUs with Navi. My apologies.Bit of a wishful think on my part, hoping that AMD will finally release an APU with powerful graphics. The Xbox One/PS4 design is great. Imagine shipping an APU with a giant 300W tower cooler and dual fans, it would be an interesting novelty.
Zizy - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Why bring APUs to discussion? Navi won't be in any APU before 2020 if it even comes. He seems to believe AMD will make a midrange and a highend dGPU. We shall see how that turns out.Anyway, consoles are pretty nice APUs, and the Ryzen APUs are fine for cheap gaming PCs too.
zmatt - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
How long have you been following this stuff? AMD/ATI used to trade blows with Nvidia all the time on the high end of GPUs. There were a few generations there, 9700pro X800, where they were really kicking ass.Targon - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
AMD has stated in the past that the initial release of Navi would be a mid-range product with GDDR memory with a higher end version with HBM2 memory released later. AMD never bothered to add GDDR memory support to Vega which would have allowed mid-range Vega products, simply because HBM2 memory costs too much to make it work in a mid-range product.As far as what makes an APU useful, AMD was able to survive with the A8/A10/A12 quad-core products due to being quad-core with better graphics than the dual-core Intel crap in the same price range, even though AMD was fading prior to Ryzen. The A12 vs. the i3 and dual-core i5 chips wasn't a bad alternative in the 7th gen Intel days.
Alexvrb - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Yeah in hindsight they should have built a smaller Vega with GDDR support. A Vega 40 (and cut-down Vega 36) with GDDR would have been much more competitive in the midrange. Right now there's a big gap in their lineup between 590 and Vega. But I don't think when they were building Vega they expected Navi to be so quite that far away, and they didn't want to waste the resources designing a stopgap.Opencg - Wednesday, April 3, 2019 - link
pants u are trolling or misinformed. in case u are misinformed radeon vii has been out for some time now. not sure how you missed that one. also not sure how you missed the news on navi yet feel free to comment on it. please leave your assumptions and lack of knowledge in your mothers basement.CaedenV - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Dr. Su has earned all of the praise and attention she is getting! She has taken a heap of a mess, and turned it into something special and awesome. First time ever in my life I am considering an AMD chip for the heart of my personal desktop, and I have been building since the mid 90s.PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Agreed that Dr. Su has done good things for AMD and its always interesting to hear what she has to say about the future. I want to see AMD improve on the mobile front as there are still a few hiccups in all-important laptops that are at least seeing less of a decline than desktop computers are these days. Ryzen's idle power consumption is currently behind Intel and that has adverse impacts on battery life. I doubt its an easy fix or the problem would have already been solved so it seems like we're looking at something baked into the design, but once that matter is settled, I'd also be in for an AMD-based computer again - laptop of course because I don't care much for using a desktop.Targon - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Try 7nm as a way to fix power demand, or Zen2 cores....Dragonstongue - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
You cannot base AMD Ryzen mobile battery life as a "flat" number seeing as there is how many vendors that use their chip/design in their laptops/notebooks etc?Many of those vendors for quite a number of years (still to this day) auto-gimp AMD based systems in regards to component selection, cooling design, TDP selection etc.
This is not a "cut and dry" simple thing because it is nigh on impossible to compare apples to apples because you are not comparing base chip to base chip there is a crud load more behind all them numbers not to mention the folks testing them, the tests they are using etc etc.
Keep it simple, there is always and likely will be bias skewing numbers up that benefit Intel of Nv in regards to performance/power use/temperatures and conversely much of those same tests will find ways to hamstring the AMD systems.
careful what you read :)
PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
At this point, I'm not overly concerned with who the culprit is behind the idle power consumption issues that mobile Ryzen suffers from (idle consumption measured at the wall which is not impacted by battery capacity) and I'm not going to attempt to point fingers due to a lack of available, reliable data because it doesn't alter my buying decision. I'm concerned with the end result - sufficient computing power with sufficient cooling capacity at a tolerable price point. I am brand agnostic.Haawser - Thursday, April 4, 2019 - link
You mean 'suffered from', past tense. Ryzen 3000 mobile has apparently been fixed.To quote from Anand on Ryzen 3000 mobile- "When it comes to battery life, HP claims that its AMD Ryzen Mobile-powered Envy x360 15 convertibles offer exactly the same battery life as Intel-based machines: up to 13 hours of mixed usage when equipped with a 55.67 Wh battery."
Claim needs to be tested obviously, but if true it will make APU notebooks the ones to have because HD620 is woefully inadequate compared to Vega 8/10.
twtech - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
AMD deserves credit for getting back to competitiveness. But, this was about Intel fumbling as much as it is AMD moving forward.If Intel was on their own 7nm by now and it was better than TSMC's, we'd be looking at yet another case of AMD trying to play catch-up, and differentiate based on core count rather than being able to compete directly.
But coming back to reality, Intel is still stuck on 14nm for the most part, and can't even meet demand for those chips.
Death666Angel - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
And considering the vastly different wealth they operate at, this is a miracle on par with Leicester winning the PL. I'm not happy Intel fucked up, but I'm happy AMD is back with something competitive. Now here's to hoping their GPU division gets a winner too and general pricing comes down a little bit. :DTargon - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
And yet, Intel 10nm is nowhere near being ready, no Intel 7nm, and Intel making claims of being close....yea, in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, Intel keeps saying it is on track. At this point, no one should believe Intel is ready to release ANYTHING until it is available in large quantities outside of review samples.Opencg - Wednesday, April 3, 2019 - link
its hard to distinguish amd vs intel based on manufacturing. intels fabs are behind but they havent fallen behind due to this. if amd want to use 7nm its expensive for them. they dont own the tech and they compete with big companies to use it. its also expensive in general. its going to be harder and harder to squeeze out an advantage due to fabrication iterations. the way it will be done is through multichip technologies and amd got their foot in that door first with an approach that the used for both cpu and gpu tech. amds real victory (or progress toward it) comes from the fact that they used their limited rd budget effectively by developing things that can be used for multiple product types. zen with infinity fabric makes epyc. infinity fabric is also used for navi for gpus. and it focuses on multichip fabrication which lowers cost more than a new fabrication node from tsmc does. amd have had a smart approach.eva02langley - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Just to have been able to make her company shift their mind from pessimism to enthusiasm, is saying a lot. She probably gave AMD the requirements for being able to elevate the company to new levels. I don't believe Intel will ever be able to push back the lid on the cauldron anymore.DigitalFreak - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Depends. I wonder how many people said something similar during the Athlon days?Irata - Wednesday, April 3, 2019 - link
We all know how exactly Intel managed to put the lid back on the cauldron then....Targon - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Back in the days of the 386 and 486, AMD chips were a literal clone with 40MHz instead of 33MHz for the base or multiplier, so Intel had the 386-33, 386-66, and 386-100, while AMD had the 386-40, 80, and 120. Since AMD was socket compatible with Intel in those days and worked on the same motherboards, going Intel was taking the slower chip. It was the AMD K5 and K6 era where AMD lagged, but then Athlon brought AMD back in and kicked Intel so hard, the Pentium 3 was retired.PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
The 386 never clocked higher than 40MHz. You may be thinking about the 486 which did support the range of speeds you're listing. It's also notable that although the Pentium 3 was retired, the Pentium M processors that followed the P4 shared an awful lot in common with the P3.Targon - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Goes to show how being tired will affect memory. Yep, the Penium M, and even the entire Core series is really an extension from the Pentium 3, which wasn't the first to use that design.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
That she absolutely has, at the very least she likely was the muscle all them putzes needed to put the ship headed in the right direction AND she was able to tilt the angle of said ship in subtle but effective ways.Ryzen was her and teams baby, amazing all around and there is likely a serious amount of things they know they can tweak that much further should it be required. Treadripper, EPYC very much are almost a culmination of ideas that cam many generations ago cementing some of it.
Hypertransport got Infinity Fabric
AM4 has been very great just like all previous AM sockets
Athlon 64 became Ryzen
Athlon FX (quad father) became Threadripper (the true FASN8 return from the dead lol)
Opteron became EPYC
I wish they had better thought out the 1xxx 2xxx naming earlier on as the name Ryzen+ would have been ok, but it seemed like there was way to much #$%$# confusion in this regard for nothing AND Ryzen 3xxx for the mobile crowd is NOT 7nm nor 2nd generation either which is going to $%#@$% with things even more.
blekkk.....beyond the numbering/naming the ship has been turned into much better waters since Dr Lisa Su took over as captain, she got a team assembled, likely had a key part in tweaking things as well, she got the right talent and ensured the wrong got pushed along the merry way.
Shem most analyst not see where AMD was, where they went, whom they face and how uphill they shot in very short order beating everyone's estimates time and again, sad that all misteps of everyone else are what hold AMD valuation lower than it should be especially when they also have to deal with their own misteps causing valuations to go wacky.
eva02langley - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Something big is coming...DigitalFreak - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Too much fiber?eva02langley - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
You know what... I think it might be Microsoft...The news might be about Microsoft new datacenter centric xbox experience. Just imagine the blow to Nvidia as a statement. We all know it is coming to either E3... or there?
DigitalFreak - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
How do you know they won't be using Nvidia GPUs in their streaming service?SaturnusDK - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Why would they use Nvidia? The Xbox currently uses an AMD APU so it's far more likely they'd stay on the same platform. Google Stadia also uses AMD hardware, although in the beginning they're using existing redundant Intel CPUs until they can be replaced.Keetoowah - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
The Ryzen 3 Not the Ryzen Third Gen is clearly a budget chip so the idea of putting over 4 to 6 cores would defeat the reason for having that chip in the first place. Plus adding 16 cores to any chip limited to 24 PCI express lanes would not in any way take away from my Threadrippers 64 PCI express lanes. The cores are not in any way what separates the different chips. Even though most AM4 boards offer multiple PCIex16 slots, only ONE can be used at x16, therefore, SLI is pointless as with multiple M.2 slots. Get the point?