That factory anti fingerprint cling wrap they left on is the thing giving me anxiety. How could they not peel that? Don't send a non OCD slob to setup your display systems!!!
Hi Ian, Samsung has QLED (quantum dot enhanced LED), not OLED. A mystery for me are the HDMI and other standards, chips and cables that still can't carry e.g. 4K@144Hz or 5K@144 or 8K@60 etc. I've had a 5K monitor for, what, could be 4 years now? I would truly appreciate an in-depth AnandTech piece about that, I have to say. Keep up the great work, thumbs up
Old news, and they've had a similar thing in previous years. BTW Samsung doesn't use "OLED displays" for their TVs. It's LCD still with "QLED" for the stupid marketing shit.
That's a good idea. Sure HDMI setups only require two cables so the only thing you're really doing is eliminating a power cable, but it's a move in the right direction. No thanks on pushing 250W of electrical energy over open air as a logical next step. It just seems like there might be adverse health implications for sending that much power without a wire conductor. You'd need something like a microwave beam like we use for radio relay stations! I, for one, would not like to slowly cook my peachy self in that manner.
HDMI cables are still rather thick and difficult to handle, though, so this is a far more elegant solution. I like the idea of using high-voltage DC, and frankly, moving the I/O of the TV to a box somewhere inconspicuous is ... the only natural thing with LCD TVs. Now we just need an open standard for this.
While it is more efficient to convert microwaves than visible light to electricity (due to the single wavelength of microwaves vs the wide wavelength of light, which allows for the microwave detector at the charging device to work at resonance with the microwaves), it is impossible to construct a compact and strong enough charger & emitter and the required detector and microwave - electricity converter in a TV to supply 250W. Even if, somehow, it could be done, you would burn 850 - 1000W for each 250W the TV consumed.
Only a matter of time before tech sites will be reviewing and bench marking appliances (if nothing else other than to see how abysmal the devices security is, and what framerate your fridge will run IoTmark?) You will need to move into a bigger space to store appliances awaiting testing but on the plus side unlimited cold beers!
Are Samsung the type of company that would licence their tech as an open standard or are they more Dolby in their licencing?
Also how mature are wireless video transmission protocols? If you had 4k HDR1000 capable WiDi and an inductive power interface for the display panel then to wires at all (but just like the old CRT televisions dont put your heads too close to the tv kids 😏)
"I tried to take a picture of the back of the TV, but it didn’t come out well. This is the danger of having a Perspex booth to demonstrate the technology."
That figure comes directly from the booth, first picture. That isn't the actual data transfer rate in the setup, but what Samsung claims the bandwidth is for the cable.
Optical data cable, wrapped in high-voltage power transfer wires, wrapped in an insulating sheath. I've always thought this should be the interconnect of the future, not to mention the interconnect for VR gear and such. Don't know why it should be taking this long for industry to figure out. Yes, transceivers, etc. are expensive - when built in minimal quantities for boutique products. Standardize and mass-produce them, and they'll be cheap as dirt.
This almost seems like a step backwards from Samsung's TV that use a wireless optical beam from the TV's base. If you have an AC outlet behind the TV, then you literally have nothing between it and the base.
Of course, the location of that base is more constrained, and you could also just run HDMI through the wall, as well.
I'm not put off by cables, although I like to keep the cabling neat. Anyone remembering having component video + audio between multiple components already appreciates HDMI quite a lot.
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megadirk - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Wonder what the cost of the cable is to replace. Also the the box sitting directly on top of the xbox's exhaust is giving me anxiety.zeusk - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
xbox one x has the exhaust on rear.Gunbuster - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
That factory anti fingerprint cling wrap they left on is the thing giving me anxiety. How could they not peel that? Don't send a non OCD slob to setup your display systems!!!stux - Monday, September 17, 2018 - link
I’ve seen prices up to 300$ for the 15M. This AU website says $199https://www.samsung.com/au/tv-accessories/opticalc...
SSTANIC - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Hi Ian, Samsung has QLED (quantum dot enhanced LED), not OLED. A mystery for me are the HDMI and other standards, chips and cables that still can't carry e.g. 4K@144Hz or 5K@144 or 8K@60 etc. I've had a 5K monitor for, what, could be 4 years now? I would truly appreciate an in-depth AnandTech piece about that, I have to say. Keep up the great work, thumbs upGreenReaper - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Surely Wikipedia can handle that?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_compari...
(resolution specifications lower down)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Resoluti...
(non-resolution spects in table above this one for DP)
B3an - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Old news, and they've had a similar thing in previous years. BTW Samsung doesn't use "OLED displays" for their TVs. It's LCD still with "QLED" for the stupid marketing shit.chaos215bar2 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
This. Seriously. Either just call them what they actually are, LCD, or use the proper marketing name. AnandTech of all places should get this right.chaos215bar2 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
(Corrected. Thanks!)PeachNCream - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
That's a good idea. Sure HDMI setups only require two cables so the only thing you're really doing is eliminating a power cable, but it's a move in the right direction. No thanks on pushing 250W of electrical energy over open air as a logical next step. It just seems like there might be adverse health implications for sending that much power without a wire conductor. You'd need something like a microwave beam like we use for radio relay stations! I, for one, would not like to slowly cook my peachy self in that manner.casperes1996 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Not to mention the effeciency lossValantar - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
HDMI cables are still rather thick and difficult to handle, though, so this is a far more elegant solution. I like the idea of using high-voltage DC, and frankly, moving the I/O of the TV to a box somewhere inconspicuous is ... the only natural thing with LCD TVs. Now we just need an open standard for this.PeachNCream - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Yeah, I agree that HDMI cables lack flexibility and are a bit too thick to make running them where you want them to go an easy prospect.Santoval - Saturday, September 15, 2018 - link
While it is more efficient to convert microwaves than visible light to electricity (due to the single wavelength of microwaves vs the wide wavelength of light, which allows for the microwave detector at the charging device to work at resonance with the microwaves), it is impossible to construct a compact and strong enough charger & emitter and the required detector and microwave - electricity converter in a TV to supply 250W.Even if, somehow, it could be done, you would burn 850 - 1000W for each 250W the TV consumed.
Santoval - Saturday, September 15, 2018 - link
p.s. A conductive charger is also out of the question, since they do not work with interface gaps beyond 2 - 3 cm.Santoval - Saturday, September 15, 2018 - link
p.s.2 (Jesus, add an edit button already) I meant *inductive* charger.FreckledTrout - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
They say one invisible connection but I can still see it.PeachNCream - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Samsung Marketing Department Response - If you close your eyes, it'll disappear!WatcherCK - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Only a matter of time before tech sites will be reviewing and bench marking appliances (if nothing else other than to see how abysmal the devices security is, and what framerate your fridge will run IoTmark?) You will need to move into a bigger space to store appliances awaiting testing but on the plus side unlimited cold beers!Are Samsung the type of company that would licence their tech as an open standard or are they more Dolby in their licencing?
Also how mature are wireless video transmission protocols? If you had 4k HDR1000 capable WiDi and an inductive power interface for the display panel then to wires at all (but just like the old CRT televisions dont put your heads too close to the tv kids 😏)
boozed - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
"I tried to take a picture of the back of the TV, but it didn’t come out well. This is the danger of having a Perspex booth to demonstrate the technology."Invest in a polarising filter for your camera.
ajp_anton - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Where is the 75Gbit coming from?4K at 144Hz at 16bit per RGB component (RGB48) is still only 57Gbit. I don't know what more I can overkill to get up to 75.
boeush - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Stereo 3D? :PNot to worry. 8K will need 4x the bandwidth, anyway. 4K is so yesterday...
FullmetalTitan - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
That figure comes directly from the booth, first picture. That isn't the actual data transfer rate in the setup, but what Samsung claims the bandwidth is for the cable.boeush - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Optical data cable, wrapped in high-voltage power transfer wires, wrapped in an insulating sheath. I've always thought this should be the interconnect of the future, not to mention the interconnect for VR gear and such. Don't know why it should be taking this long for industry to figure out. Yes, transceivers, etc. are expensive - when built in minimal quantities for boutique products. Standardize and mass-produce them, and they'll be cheap as dirt.mode_13h - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
This almost seems like a step backwards from Samsung's TV that use a wireless optical beam from the TV's base. If you have an AC outlet behind the TV, then you literally have nothing between it and the base.Of course, the location of that base is more constrained, and you could also just run HDMI through the wall, as well.
I'm not put off by cables, although I like to keep the cabling neat. Anyone remembering having component video + audio between multiple components already appreciates HDMI quite a lot.
piroroadkill - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Invisible, huh? I guess they took their marketing inspiration from the "unlimited" plans of mobile networks....iwod - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
What sort of cost are we looking at ? Could we bring this down once it is standardise across the industry with volume?No one wants to replace their TV Panel every 4 - 5 years. But the TV box, controller, and the electronics needs updating.
Spunjji - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
"the cable appears to be an optical cable with additional wires for carrying high voltage DC power"It's Thunderbolt! Or rather, what Thunderbolt was supposed to be when it was an Intel pipe-dream and before it was fundamentally compromised.
boeush - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Indeddvailr - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
The QR code in the first photo leads to:https://samsung-vdexhibition.com