Yeah, it'll be nice to see if these are Tensor cores (or similar) as I've seen speculated. Although that might have been from confusion about TensorRT vs RT cores.
No, RT Cores are different from Tensor Cores. In all NVIDIA GPUs with Tensor Cores so far, the FP 16 performance from the Tensor Cores is always 8 times the single precision performance. So the Tensor Cores seem to be integrated into the SMs. But the RTX 2080 Ti has less single precision performance than the Quadro RTX 8000 yet they both have 10 gigaray/sec from the RT cores. So the RT cores are most likely not integrated with the SMs.
I have no idea what sort of architecture the RT cores are, though. Huang said that ray tracing was rather incoherent, but they found tricks to make it more coherent. So maybe the RT cores have an SIMD architecture, because SIMD is very efficient if there is coherency, I believe. However, most ray tracing acceleration seems to focus on MIMD architectures. And maybe coherency improves the efficiency of MIMD architectures as well, I have no idea.
If you trust : https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13240/14.jpg (a new standard of performance slide) 1/3 of the chip is dedicated to raytracing. Expect the chip to cost nvidia 50% more before even matching existing games. You better believe you are going to pay.
with this raytracing, nVidia might be actually be plausible to kill Radeon off - AMD has to develop and implement their own algorithm, or buy it from nVidia
Those are founders edition prices. The prices are moved up. They are pretty much the highest ever, but it's not accurate that NVIDIA moved up the prices in the past. Maxwell moved the prices down from Kepler. Pascal brought them back up to between Maxwell and second gen Kepler, from what I remember. The Turing prices are the highest, but considering the size of the dies because of the new RT cores, the use of a brand new memory, and the price of memory these days, it's not too surprising.
Yeah, that's pretty high. Launch MSRP for the 1070 was $379, so they're jacking it up by 58%. Unless the 2070 performs like the current 1080Ti or better, that seems a little crazy. Ray-tracing is not a major selling point for gamers or crypto miners.
They aren't using up 50% of the chip. That's a schematic. In any case, it's always the same with new technology. It's a chicken and egg situation. I think NVIDIA seems to be doing a good job of working with developers to put at least some of this in games relatively soon so that, as long as it's implemented well, if you like those titles you will soon see a benefit from the new hardware.
But, yes, I think it will take some time to pervade the whole industry. I don't think it will take as long as many people seem to be imagining, though. I think AAA games will incorporate ray tracing techniques pretty quickly because NVIDIA will see a decent number of these cards to the types og gamers who tend to buy several of the latest games and because these techniques really look like they lead to superior quality.
Yep. Not biting at these prices. And even if they slashed it by $100 each (assuming their founder's edition tax is $100 over MSRP) that's still too expensive. I might buy up a discount 1080 Ti.
Wow, that's some inflation! Now I know what the Turks must be feeling. At least it's not Venezuelan-level... maybe they're saving that for the *next* gen.
Watching these gameplay demos makes me want to hold off for gen 2 of ray tracing. If the best they've got right now is "hey, look at the soft shadows!" and "We can hide stuff in the rafters!", it's a tough sell. The tech is impressive, but it will take a while for it to be implemented well.
Typical Gameworks propaganda that doesn't change anything. Anyone needs to look at God of War or The Last of Us 2 and tell me they really give a damn about Raytracing.
Talanted developers create great graphics, not a toolset from Nvidia.
Raytracing is not some "Gameworks propaganda". Raytracing is a technique for realistic rendering. Raytracing is something that people have known about and how to do for over 15 years. The problem with raytracing has been historically how poor the performance is or how much of a performance hit there is from using it versus faking lighting.
The real problem is that if this GPU is mostly just hardware supported raytracing and a minor GPU boost for games that don't use it then it is a massive joke after two years and for prices that are insane. I mean their best example is a game running at 2x the FPS due to raytracing, but the thing they probably aren't telling you is raytracing will be toggleable or off for non-RTX gpus.
the thing is that RT will make it MUCH easier for artists. i use 3d max and vary myself for archviz. all that baking and cheating in games would annoy the hell out of me.
J is right.. RT just works.
but it will take some time until RT will make it into games. nvidia is sponsoring some titles.. sure.. and they will look nice. but RT will not take the market by storm.
My point was that ray tracing is real and there are certainly benefits to what Nvidia is doing. I definitely know raytracing is the future as it simplifies a lot of problems. The problem is that this cutting edge tech will take several years before it is the standard in games just like you said. Additionally, like you pointed out you could get the next GPU and get all those advantages when it starts becoming standard.
I thought the demos were extremely impressive, and I'm rarely impressed by these sorts of demos. The difference between the ray traced room with the rafters and the non-ray traced was night and day. Similarly with the Shadow of the Tomb Raider party scene. The RTX-off shadows were jarring and off-putting. With it on everything was pleasing. It's the biggest jump in image quality in a long time.. and it's image quality that is able to fundamentally change the environment and immersive experience of the game. How much it can be taken advantage of in a game as a whole remains to be seen, but in these particular demonstrations I was very impressed.
I mean, compare it to various ambient occlusion or hairworks demonstrations.. the difference here is palpable and meaningful. It's not "oh yeah, that does look a bit better", it's transformative.
I'd like to see it more in action. The trailers didn't do much to show the advantages. Sure it looked good sitting there in one room, but no one plays games like that. You'd be running through that room shooting stuff or running away from something. Same thing with the Battlefield V demo. I don't usually look at the ground a whole lot when I'm playing Battlefield. Again, it's very impressive tech, but the current implementation doesn't make me want to run out and buy one of these cards.
The reason why open source will always be better, you don't pay for the tech that might not be used at all.
These companies were paid by Nvidia to include their Raytracing tech into their games. Obvious, no way it would not have been done without a paycheck especially for released games.
I don't understand.. that sounds like an argument against open source. According to what you said, without NVIDIA having a financial incentive to push the technology and therefore giving financial incentive to the games developers you wouldn't get ray tracing.
When the review embargo lifts you'll get them. But it'll probably be more economical to buy a 1080 Ti than a 2080 for games using no ray tracing or deep learning techniques.
I keep thinking about the headache this must be giving Intel and AMD. They'll have to try and catch up, somehow. Might take another generation or two. By then, who knows where Nvidia will be?
I'd be highly amused if this was GCN's trump card... and somewhat less amused if it took AMD a year to actually release drivers to take advantage of it. The huge number of shader cores in Vega must be useful for something.
I confess I thought that way a bit BEFORE today. But not after seeing this presentation. Did you actually watch it (vs. just reading blog here). Did you even understand what was going on in the demos? I don't get it how you are still so blind.
I like more performance as much as the next guy but lets hope the third party cards cost less than the reference cards if not they just priced them selves out of a sale from me at least. Yes I know I am just one guy and losing a sale from me won't hurt them very much but if there are enough guys out there like me that feel the price is just to high it will hurt their wallets some what.
Now for the even worse. the 2080 seems a bit neutered with only 2944 cuda cores it should of had 3072 cores. The 2070 even seems more neutered than the 1070 was with only 2304 cores it should have has at least 2560 cores. For the money they want to charge they really needed to make you feel liek you were not getting a second rate piece of hardware because of them neutering so much. Yea you get Ray tracing but form their own pictures in some of the games they showed off it actually looked better with ray tracing off in the dark scenes it made things so dark it actually took a lot of the details away in the dark areas. I think ray tracing will do great things but if it is used wrong it will make a ugly mess just as some of the pictures have shown here. Just my two cents and my opinion others may disagree and that is your right to so.
Ok so I commented without doing to much checking but yea if the non founders are all $100 cheaper then they are a better deal. My point about the 2080 & 2070 looking like they got some what neutered stands though more so for the 2070 with only 2304 Cuda Cores. I guess that will leave them room to release a RTX 2070Ti down the road with 2560 Cuda cores and cost more of coarse.
RTX 2080Ti HE SAID $999 (£782 or 3760PLN) but now $1200!?!? ( £939 or 4510PLN) watching Polish Nvidia(PLN) price 5550PLN (1476.50$ or £1145) Watching British Nvidia(GBP) price £1100(5286.10PLN or 1406.30$)
As always now seems to be the rule of thumb reviews will come 1 week after everyone does the unboxings which in itself is kinda pointless but whatever right.
NVIDIA just released a new generation which will push down the prices of the old generation. Intel didn't release anything. In order for Intel to apply pricing pressure they need a competitive product, which, by 2020, will probably mean something with ray tracing and deep learning capabilities, the capabilities NVIDIA is trailblazing right now with the high prices.
My point is you don't need to be saved because you don't have to buy it. I'm certainly not going to buy it. Maybe I would if I were in the market to upgrade at the moment. But I think many others will because there are always early adopters.
The two situations are not comparable. The desktop CPU business is not growing so there was no growth for Intel to chase. Gaming is growing quickly and so there is incentive for NVIDIA to aggressively pursue it even without immediate competition.
If you actually look at the debut prices of GPUs going back a decade and you update those prices to 2018 dollars for inflation, you can see the prices fluctuate up and down at various times but there is no trend of increased prices, even though AMD has offered much less competition to NVIDIA since Maxwell than before it.
Let see…. My 780 - haswell i7 gig still runs everything i need at playable framerates and more than acceptable level of details on one screen, slower frame rate on 3 screen but still i play strategy games… Shall i upgrade at that price just to say i have the best and newest thing?.... ummm nope. Probably gonna go down the AMD path next upgrade.
I am disappointed flagship card (TI) comes with only 11GB of VRAM and that makes no sense it should be at least 12GB (why do they artificial saw-off that 1GB again). I was hoping for 16GB but I guess they don't want people to buy the Quadro line.
Disappointed with the pricing. I guess Nvidia got hooked on the inflated mining prices and now want that to become the new normal. I think lack of competition is hurting consumers. I am now actively rooting for AMD or Intel or someone else to provide an alternative.
Go ahead and buy your AMD or Intel alternative then; it's a free country, it's fine. Please do share though what AMD card you find to be a so much better deal.
That's a good question. I took a comment he made towards end that the 2080 card would be 5x quieter than the 1080 as a good sign. Maybe part of that is due to better cooling, but I suspect at least some is due to less heat/power.
The big difference is in the rate of progress. Intel had been sandbagging for years. Very little progress since... what? Sandy Bridge? i7 was 2 cores/4 threads in mobile, 4/8 in consumers. More reserved to HEDT (and very high prices)
Nvidia currently has no competition *ALREADY*. Pascal rules the roost, intel is announcing a product in 2 years and AMD has said no release till late 2019. They could softball it and coast. Instead, we get a new rendering tech (RTX, supporting MS standard of DXR).
They never stand still. AMD and any other competitor may apply price pressure, but they'll also need to compete on features and perfs and that will be much harder against a fast moving target.
Yawn, wake me when it actually makes a major difference in visual quality, is affordable, and there is plenty of software that uses it. Till then it's just more VR hype that isn't ready for prime time.
"The good news is, you're gonna be surprised. ... Everything on the web, every spec is wrong. You're gonna be surprised"
From what they said in the press event it looks like we were totally right about the leaked specs etc etc etc. It is also to bad that the 2070 lost SLI support I am sure there are a lot of people that might have wanted that option on the mid tier card. I also hope the rumors of the 2070 being on a different GPU die than the 2080 is false. The 2070 already seems rather neutered when you compare it to the 2080 and even then the 2080 is somewhat neutered itself it should have had 3072 Cuda Cores and the 2070 should have had at least 2560 cores or slightly more I see a 2070Ti in the future for sure.
I also found it strange that Nvidia gave the specs for the 2080Ti at the same press event. This could either mean this is a release that they want to get everything out of the way as fast as possible so they can move onto the next GPU's sooner or the performance of the 2070 & 2080 are not much above the current 1070 & 2080 so they had to do the 2080Ti at the same time. To bad they are making us wait until near end of Sept to find out but hey you can pre order now yippy and buy blindly.
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nismotigerwvu - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Hopefully we'll get a little clarification on what exactly an "RT core" is today.The Benjamins - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
It is a core design to hardware accelerate Ray Tracing tasks, it was covered in the last Nvidia conf a week ago.psychobriggsy - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I guess he wanted more in-depth meaty technical information, not the high level overview.jordanclock - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Yeah, it'll be nice to see if these are Tensor cores (or similar) as I've seen speculated. Although that might have been from confusion about TensorRT vs RT cores.Yojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
No, RT Cores are different from Tensor Cores. In all NVIDIA GPUs with Tensor Cores so far, the FP 16 performance from the Tensor Cores is always 8 times the single precision performance. So the Tensor Cores seem to be integrated into the SMs. But the RTX 2080 Ti has less single precision performance than the Quadro RTX 8000 yet they both have 10 gigaray/sec from the RT cores. So the RT cores are most likely not integrated with the SMs.I have no idea what sort of architecture the RT cores are, though. Huang said that ray tracing was rather incoherent, but they found tricks to make it more coherent. So maybe the RT cores have an SIMD architecture, because SIMD is very efficient if there is coherency, I believe. However, most ray tracing acceleration seems to focus on MIMD architectures. And maybe coherency improves the efficiency of MIMD architectures as well, I have no idea.
i4mt3hwin - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
AFAIK it's part of the SM, not a discreet core.TheWereCat - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
RT - Radeon TechnologyJokes aside, I really hope it's not just a Pascal shrink with more cores and Raytracing slapped on to it.
jabbadap - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
of course it's not. It's volta evolved.Alistair - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Volta would imply the full precision abilities, I doubt that.I think it is pascal plus raytracing, for $1250 CAD after taxes you can buy the RTX 2080, what a joke.
imaheadcase - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Look forward to seeing Ray Tracing take the same path as "hairworks" that will cripple performance so no one uses it.Koenig168 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
If the prices are anywhere near what has been rumored so far, not many people will want to pay for a GTX 2080/Ti. The GTX 2070 may be the sweet spot.Hxx - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
rtx 2080 for about 650-700. lets hope soKvaern1 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
How about $699 for the Ti and no bloody neon?eva02langley - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Biggest silicon die for a GPU + overpriced new memory technology = no way in helleva02langley - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
LMAO 1200$... told you...wumpus - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
If you trust :https://images.anandtech.com/doci/13240/14.jpg (a new standard of performance slide)
1/3 of the chip is dedicated to raytracing. Expect the chip to cost nvidia 50% more before even matching existing games. You better believe you are going to pay.
Despoiler - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Well the pre-show is cringe worthy. Just the most vapid and contrived interviewing.leviathan1137 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Well, looks like Newegg has joined the club on releasing before the announcement... "https://www.newegg.com/promotions/nepro/18-2503/in...Kvaern1 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
All the links to the products/prices are dead as far as I can tell.leviathan1137 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Ditto for me. But they are at least listing the cards from the manufacturers. The banner on the homepage at Newegg says "Preorder" toohanselltc - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
this is indeed the best formatChaitanya - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Increased power consumption and prices. Now waiting to see how well those RT cores perform.mode_13h - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Thanks for watching the live stream so we don't have to. I watched the Pascal launch and don't think I could stomach another.zmeul - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
with this raytracing, nVidia might be actually be plausible to kill Radeon off - AMD has to develop and implement their own algorithm, or buy it from nVidiaIF RTX implementation in DX takes off
eva02langley - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
lol... if Navi is anything of what it is supposed to be, Nvidia might lose the mainstream market altogether.Bring APU into the equation, and Nvidia should be worried next year.
DigitalFreak - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I hear that every year.eva02langley - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
With these prices... hell yeah, I would be afraid.eva02langley - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
So everyone was wrong about raytracing performances?Creig - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/Nvidia.com Pre-order pricing:
$599 - GeForce RTX 2070 Founders Edition
$799 - GeForce RTX 2080 Founders Edition
$1,199 - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition
- free shipping (LOL!)
Arbie - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Thanks! That answers the pricing question.darckhart - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
HAHAHA. NV is moving up the prices every year. 599 for x70?? and +200 over 1K for the halo product?? absurdYojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Those are founders edition prices. The prices are moved up. They are pretty much the highest ever, but it's not accurate that NVIDIA moved up the prices in the past. Maxwell moved the prices down from Kepler. Pascal brought them back up to between Maxwell and second gen Kepler, from what I remember. The Turing prices are the highest, but considering the size of the dies because of the new RT cores, the use of a brand new memory, and the price of memory these days, it's not too surprising.erwos - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Yeah, that's pretty high. Launch MSRP for the 1070 was $379, so they're jacking it up by 58%. Unless the 2070 performs like the current 1080Ti or better, that seems a little crazy. Ray-tracing is not a major selling point for gamers or crypto miners.Yojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Did you watch the demos? Ray tracing and AI are major selling points for gamers after developers implement the techniques.wumpus - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
After is the key word. And they are using up 50% of the chip (see slide 14.jpg).Yojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
They aren't using up 50% of the chip. That's a schematic. In any case, it's always the same with new technology. It's a chicken and egg situation. I think NVIDIA seems to be doing a good job of working with developers to put at least some of this in games relatively soon so that, as long as it's implemented well, if you like those titles you will soon see a benefit from the new hardware.But, yes, I think it will take some time to pervade the whole industry. I don't think it will take as long as many people seem to be imagining, though. I think AAA games will incorporate ray tracing techniques pretty quickly because NVIDIA will see a decent number of these cards to the types og gamers who tend to buy several of the latest games and because these techniques really look like they lead to superior quality.
JoeyJoJo123 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Yep. Not biting at these prices. And even if they slashed it by $100 each (assuming their founder's edition tax is $100 over MSRP) that's still too expensive. I might buy up a discount 1080 Ti.Creig - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Looks like Founder Edition tax time again. According to the slide in the presentation, the NON-Founders Edition pricing looks like this:$499 - GeForce RTX 2070
$699 - GeForce RTX 2080
$999 - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
So it looks like a $100 FE tax on the 2070/2080 and $200 FE tax on the 2080 Ti.
dagnamit - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
There doesn't appear to be FE pricing this time.mode_13h - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Wow, that's some inflation! Now I know what the Turks must be feeling. At least it's not Venezuelan-level... maybe they're saving that for the *next* gen.cfenton - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Watching these gameplay demos makes me want to hold off for gen 2 of ray tracing. If the best they've got right now is "hey, look at the soft shadows!" and "We can hide stuff in the rafters!", it's a tough sell. The tech is impressive, but it will take a while for it to be implemented well.eva02langley - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Typical Gameworks propaganda that doesn't change anything. Anyone needs to look at God of War or The Last of Us 2 and tell me they really give a damn about Raytracing.Talanted developers create great graphics, not a toolset from Nvidia.
Akkuma - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Raytracing is not some "Gameworks propaganda". Raytracing is a technique for realistic rendering. Raytracing is something that people have known about and how to do for over 15 years. The problem with raytracing has been historically how poor the performance is or how much of a performance hit there is from using it versus faking lighting.The real problem is that if this GPU is mostly just hardware supported raytracing and a minor GPU boost for games that don't use it then it is a massive joke after two years and for prices that are insane. I mean their best example is a game running at 2x the FPS due to raytracing, but the thing they probably aren't telling you is raytracing will be toggleable or off for non-RTX gpus.
Gothmoth - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
the thing is that RT will make it MUCH easier for artists.i use 3d max and vary myself for archviz.
all that baking and cheating in games would annoy the hell out of me.
J is right.. RT just works.
but it will take some time until RT will make it into games.
nvidia is sponsoring some titles.. sure.. and they will look nice.
but RT will not take the market by storm.
RTX 2180... yeah i might buy that one.
Gothmoth - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
damn idiotic comment system here at anadtech.... VRAY not vary....Akkuma - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
My point was that ray tracing is real and there are certainly benefits to what Nvidia is doing. I definitely know raytracing is the future as it simplifies a lot of problems. The problem is that this cutting edge tech will take several years before it is the standard in games just like you said. Additionally, like you pointed out you could get the next GPU and get all those advantages when it starts becoming standard.Gothmoth - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
btw: i did raytracing in 1994 with povray.. and older people than me for much longer. 15 years comes not even close.Alistair - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
It wasn't 2x fps, not that simple. It was using an up-scaling technique, so we'd need to know how noticeable the artifact-ing is. It wasn't true 4k.Yojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I thought the demos were extremely impressive, and I'm rarely impressed by these sorts of demos. The difference between the ray traced room with the rafters and the non-ray traced was night and day. Similarly with the Shadow of the Tomb Raider party scene. The RTX-off shadows were jarring and off-putting. With it on everything was pleasing. It's the biggest jump in image quality in a long time.. and it's image quality that is able to fundamentally change the environment and immersive experience of the game. How much it can be taken advantage of in a game as a whole remains to be seen, but in these particular demonstrations I was very impressed.Yojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I mean, compare it to various ambient occlusion or hairworks demonstrations.. the difference here is palpable and meaningful. It's not "oh yeah, that does look a bit better", it's transformative.cfenton - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I'd like to see it more in action. The trailers didn't do much to show the advantages. Sure it looked good sitting there in one room, but no one plays games like that. You'd be running through that room shooting stuff or running away from something. Same thing with the Battlefield V demo. I don't usually look at the ground a whole lot when I'm playing Battlefield. Again, it's very impressive tech, but the current implementation doesn't make me want to run out and buy one of these cards.eva02langley - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
The reason why open source will always be better, you don't pay for the tech that might not be used at all.These companies were paid by Nvidia to include their Raytracing tech into their games. Obvious, no way it would not have been done without a paycheck especially for released games.
Yojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I don't understand.. that sounds like an argument against open source. According to what you said, without NVIDIA having a financial incentive to push the technology and therefore giving financial incentive to the games developers you wouldn't get ray tracing.Koenig168 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
We need some benchmarks with non-RTX games i.e. existing games, in order to get an idea of the actual performance increase.Gothmoth - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
you know why that J guy did not show any such benchmarks.... because it probably will dissapoint gamers.Yojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
When the review embargo lifts you'll get them. But it'll probably be more economical to buy a 1080 Ti than a 2080 for games using no ray tracing or deep learning techniques.mode_13h - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I keep thinking about the headache this must be giving Intel and AMD. They'll have to try and catch up, somehow. Might take another generation or two. By then, who knows where Nvidia will be?eva02langley - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
In what field...? Pricing?kron123456789 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Ray-tracing. Where are AMD's GPUs with hardware accelerated ray-tracing tech?silverblue - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I'd be highly amused if this was GCN's trump card... and somewhat less amused if it took AMD a year to actually release drivers to take advantage of it. The huge number of shader cores in Vega must be useful for something.Gothmoth - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
LOL the prices.........RT will be a thing in late 2019.... until then they can stick that RTX stuff where the sun don´t shine.
i wonder how the 2080 fares in todays games against a 1080 TI.
MadManMark - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I confess I thought that way a bit BEFORE today. But not after seeing this presentation. Did you actually watch it (vs. just reading blog here). Did you even understand what was going on in the demos? I don't get it how you are still so blind.rocky12345 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I like more performance as much as the next guy but lets hope the third party cards cost less than the reference cards if not they just priced them selves out of a sale from me at least. Yes I know I am just one guy and losing a sale from me won't hurt them very much but if there are enough guys out there like me that feel the price is just to high it will hurt their wallets some what.Now for the even worse. the 2080 seems a bit neutered with only 2944 cuda cores it should of had 3072 cores. The 2070 even seems more neutered than the 1070 was with only 2304 cores it should have has at least 2560 cores. For the money they want to charge they really needed to make you feel liek you were not getting a second rate piece of hardware because of them neutering so much. Yea you get Ray tracing but form their own pictures in some of the games they showed off it actually looked better with ray tracing off in the dark scenes it made things so dark it actually took a lot of the details away in the dark areas. I think ray tracing will do great things but if it is used wrong it will make a ugly mess just as some of the pictures have shown here. Just my two cents and my opinion others may disagree and that is your right to so.
rocky12345 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Ok so I commented without doing to much checking but yea if the non founders are all $100 cheaper then they are a better deal. My point about the 2080 & 2070 looking like they got some what neutered stands though more so for the 2070 with only 2304 Cuda Cores. I guess that will leave them room to release a RTX 2070Ti down the road with 2560 Cuda cores and cost more of coarse.Lazaaar - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
RTX 2080TiHE SAID $999 (£782 or 3760PLN)
but now $1200!?!? ( £939 or 4510PLN)
watching Polish Nvidia(PLN) price 5550PLN (1476.50$ or £1145)
Watching British Nvidia(GBP) price £1100(5286.10PLN or 1406.30$)
what the fuck is wrong...
Lazaaar - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
and where is performance ?FPS in games?
yeeeeman - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Reviews when?rocky12345 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
As always now seems to be the rule of thumb reviews will come 1 week after everyone does the unboxings which in itself is kinda pointless but whatever right.Gothmoth - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
intel will rescue us in 2020.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVZDH15TRro
Yojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Rescue you from what?Gothmoth - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
nvidias price....3 GPU brands instead of two will hopefully mean more competition.... well i can dream.
Yojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
NVIDIA just released a new generation which will push down the prices of the old generation. Intel didn't release anything. In order for Intel to apply pricing pressure they need a competitive product, which, by 2020, will probably mean something with ray tracing and deep learning capabilities, the capabilities NVIDIA is trailblazing right now with the high prices.Yojimbo - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
My point is you don't need to be saved because you don't have to buy it. I'm certainly not going to buy it. Maybe I would if I were in the market to upgrade at the moment. But I think many others will because there are always early adopters.Gothmoth - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
i would love a RTX card because i do 3d work with vray as a freelancer and vray will support RTX.but nvidia can make these crazy price because there is no competition.
look what happend after RYZEN.. intel was forced to finally do something.
AMD saved us from intels stalling.
Yojimbo - Tuesday, August 21, 2018 - link
The two situations are not comparable. The desktop CPU business is not growing so there was no growth for Intel to chase. Gaming is growing quickly and so there is incentive for NVIDIA to aggressively pursue it even without immediate competition.If you actually look at the debut prices of GPUs going back a decade and you update those prices to 2018 dollars for inflation, you can see the prices fluctuate up and down at various times but there is no trend of increased prices, even though AMD has offered much less competition to NVIDIA since Maxwell than before it.
Da W - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Let see…. My 780 - haswell i7 gig still runs everything i need at playable framerates and more than acceptable level of details on one screen, slower frame rate on 3 screen but still i play strategy games…Shall i upgrade at that price just to say i have the best and newest thing?.... ummm nope.
Probably gonna go down the AMD path next upgrade.
MadManMark - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Do you understand what RTX even is? I'm guessing not, if you think it is somehow relevant to strategy games!OranjeeGeneral - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I am disappointed flagship card (TI) comes with only 11GB of VRAM and that makes no sense it should be at least 12GB (why do they artificial saw-off that 1GB again). I was hoping for 16GB but I guess they don't want people to buy the Quadro line.IeraseU - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Disappointed with the pricing. I guess Nvidia got hooked on the inflated mining prices and now want that to become the new normal. I think lack of competition is hurting consumers. I am now actively rooting for AMD or Intel or someone else to provide an alternative.MadManMark - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Go ahead and buy your AMD or Intel alternative then; it's a free country, it's fine. Please do share though what AMD card you find to be a so much better deal.Gothmoth - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
what kind of raytracing is supported? forward, backward, hybrid.... ???jb14 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
I wonder when we'll get to see these shipping in laptops?MadManMark - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
That's a good question. I took a comment he made towards end that the 2080 card would be 5x quieter than the 1080 as a good sign. Maybe part of that is due to better cooling, but I suspect at least some is due to less heat/power.frenchy_2001 - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
The big difference is in the rate of progress.Intel had been sandbagging for years.
Very little progress since... what? Sandy Bridge?
i7 was 2 cores/4 threads in mobile, 4/8 in consumers. More reserved to HEDT (and very high prices)
Nvidia currently has no competition *ALREADY*.
Pascal rules the roost, intel is announcing a product in 2 years and AMD has said no release till late 2019. They could softball it and coast.
Instead, we get a new rendering tech (RTX, supporting MS standard of DXR).
They never stand still.
AMD and any other competitor may apply price pressure, but they'll also need to compete on features and perfs and that will be much harder against a fast moving target.
SquarePeg - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
So this is the New, new big hype to replace VR.Yawn, wake me when it actually makes a major difference in visual quality, is affordable, and there is plenty of software that uses it. Till then it's just more VR hype that isn't ready for prime time.
Dribble - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
It does make a major difference to visual quality, the demo's were very impressive. Not a good time to be an Nvidia hater I'm afraid.rocky12345 - Tuesday, August 21, 2018 - link
"The good news is, you're gonna be surprised. ... Everything on the web, every spec is wrong. You're gonna be surprised"From what they said in the press event it looks like we were totally right about the leaked specs etc etc etc. It is also to bad that the 2070 lost SLI support I am sure there are a lot of people that might have wanted that option on the mid tier card. I also hope the rumors of the 2070 being on a different GPU die than the 2080 is false. The 2070 already seems rather neutered when you compare it to the 2080 and even then the 2080 is somewhat neutered itself it should have had 3072 Cuda Cores and the 2070 should have had at least 2560 cores or slightly more I see a 2070Ti in the future for sure.
I also found it strange that Nvidia gave the specs for the 2080Ti at the same press event. This could either mean this is a release that they want to get everything out of the way as fast as possible so they can move onto the next GPU's sooner or the performance of the 2070 & 2080 are not much above the current 1070 & 2080 so they had to do the 2080Ti at the same time. To bad they are making us wait until near end of Sept to find out but hey you can pre order now yippy and buy blindly.