The price for the DS2413+ is just crazy. How do they justify such a high price? The thing consists of a PSU, a case, HDD bays and the mainboard, maybe a custom made, so make it twice as expensive as a consumer model. So you're at maybe $500 total. Add a custom software on top of it, research costs and profit and you end at max. $1000.
considering it contains no drives at all. If you think about the basics of what they're offering, it's the equivalent of an Atom motherboard with 4 SATA ports ($100), 2 extra 4 port SATA PCI/PCI-e cards ($15 each), a case ($50), a PSU ($50), and software. Looking at the basic parts cost (ok, customization aside), you're still looking at $250-$300 in parts at FULL RETAIL price - let alone what they might get in volume discounting.
That means they're looking at over $1000 for the software?
Before the Thailand floods, I could have built something like that AND populated it with 2TB drives for that price, then dropped FreeNAS in and called it a day. And it would have sported a much more powerful processor than an Atom 2700 for any software add-ons I wanted.
I think you are full of it. I have tried to price a decent matching system and have not come close to the pricing you state. Plus all the headache with making sure it works with freenas or whatever.
The 2413+ is a little pricey, but...the software/UI is solid and performance looks good. They wisely included dual gigabit LAN with failover, but where they really failed is in the PS. Why no redundant PS? This is an enterprise-level device, no doubt. And no redundant power? For a device in this class AND at this price, that is a huge oversight IMO. For less than the price of the 2413+ I can buy a 15-drive SAS/SATA backplane/SAS expander with redundant PSU and slave it to any number of devices that support a PCI-E SAS/SATA RAID card and have way more capability than this offers.
But I understand the general target market for this device: SMB/SOHO. Many of these devices will be shoved in a closet with no HVAC b/c "it makes too much noise", where the heat will kill drives and eventually the PS. For non-mission-critical data, this thing on a good AVR UPS will make a good storage solution. You wouldn't catch me putting any of my DBs on here though.
A system like the DS2413+ is used in an IT environment, and trust me, Synology SAN's and NAS's are worth every penny you put into them. But you aren't just paying for the product, you're paying for support as well. Any time we have issues with Synology gear, we have them in SSH sessions within a matter of hours and the issue fixed typically within a day. Sure, you can custom build something for that price. But after building, configuring, testing and the works, it's not worth the time. You want to throw an expander onto these things? Just plug it in and go. Show me a custom build that has all external 3.5" drives hot-swappable with RAID rebuild without reboot and infiniband expansion for not only a price that's comparable, but also the same end experience.
When you're in IT, you really don't want to waste your time messing around with something that takes you hours to put together, get up and running, and stress tested. You pay a premium for equipment that comes ready to go with a solid warranty. 12 drive expander? Plug it in and go. I'm sorry, but you just can't beat that. No having to do major configurations other than spending the couple of minutes creating your shares and you're good to go. You can't even consider touching that without huge amounts of testing and equipment.
this looks like it: http://www.synology.com/dsm/dsm_app.php?lang=enu (Photo Station) <em>Photo Station is an online photo album integrated with a blog for you to easily share photos, videos, and blog over the Internet. The package offers in-depth integration with various social networking sites. You can browse photos saved on your DiskStation via any major browser and mobile devices.</em>
I have been looking for a NAS just like this, that has a solid OS reputation, to go into my rack at a data center which is a 125 miles from my house. But I will not put anything in there that does not have a redundant power supply. I think they really screwed up by not at least offering an optional redundant power supply. For Synology to market this to the Enterprise sector with out a redundant PSU is somewhat absurd.
Hopefully they will learn from their mistake and come out with an inexpensive 2U rackmount version with a redundant PSU.
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krabe - Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - link
"The DS2413+ is the first 12-bay tower form factor NAS from Synology in the standard business product lineup." The DS2411+ preceded it.UpSpin - Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - link
The price for the DS2413+ is just crazy. How do they justify such a high price? The thing consists of a PSU, a case, HDD bays and the mainboard, maybe a custom made, so make it twice as expensive as a consumer model. So you're at maybe $500 total. Add a custom software on top of it, research costs and profit and you end at max. $1000.webmastir - Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - link
In all fairness, DSM is a solid piece of work. I give them credit for making a very nice UI.bill.rookard - Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - link
considering it contains no drives at all. If you think about the basics of what they're offering, it's the equivalent of an Atom motherboard with 4 SATA ports ($100), 2 extra 4 port SATA PCI/PCI-e cards ($15 each), a case ($50), a PSU ($50), and software. Looking at the basic parts cost (ok, customization aside), you're still looking at $250-$300 in parts at FULL RETAIL price - let alone what they might get in volume discounting.That means they're looking at over $1000 for the software?
Before the Thailand floods, I could have built something like that AND populated it with 2TB drives for that price, then dropped FreeNAS in and called it a day. And it would have sported a much more powerful processor than an Atom 2700 for any software add-ons I wanted.
no stress - Tuesday, October 9, 2012 - link
what processor are you thinking about?keep in mind, many dont want a more powerfull processor, but instead they want a more power efficient processor.
ps. i got a DS409+ with 4*2TB and it rocks. i can recommend it as the best NAS i ever had
ap90033 - Tuesday, March 3, 2015 - link
I think you are full of it. I have tried to price a decent matching system and have not come close to the pricing you state. Plus all the headache with making sure it works with freenas or whatever.MichaelD - Tuesday, October 2, 2012 - link
The 2413+ is a little pricey, but...the software/UI is solid and performance looks good. They wisely included dual gigabit LAN with failover, but where they really failed is in the PS. Why no redundant PS? This is an enterprise-level device, no doubt. And no redundant power? For a device in this class AND at this price, that is a huge oversight IMO. For less than the price of the 2413+ I can buy a 15-drive SAS/SATA backplane/SAS expander with redundant PSU and slave it to any number of devices that support a PCI-E SAS/SATA RAID card and have way more capability than this offers.But I understand the general target market for this device: SMB/SOHO. Many of these devices will be shoved in a closet with no HVAC b/c "it makes too much noise", where the heat will kill drives and eventually the PS. For non-mission-critical data, this thing on a good AVR UPS will make a good storage solution. You wouldn't catch me putting any of my DBs on here though.
DanMandor - Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - link
A system like the DS2413+ is used in an IT environment, and trust me, Synology SAN's and NAS's are worth every penny you put into them. But you aren't just paying for the product, you're paying for support as well. Any time we have issues with Synology gear, we have them in SSH sessions within a matter of hours and the issue fixed typically within a day. Sure, you can custom build something for that price. But after building, configuring, testing and the works, it's not worth the time. You want to throw an expander onto these things? Just plug it in and go. Show me a custom build that has all external 3.5" drives hot-swappable with RAID rebuild without reboot and infiniband expansion for not only a price that's comparable, but also the same end experience.When you're in IT, you really don't want to waste your time messing around with something that takes you hours to put together, get up and running, and stress tested. You pay a premium for equipment that comes ready to go with a solid warranty. 12 drive expander? Plug it in and go. I'm sorry, but you just can't beat that. No having to do major configurations other than spending the couple of minutes creating your shares and you're good to go. You can't even consider touching that without huge amounts of testing and equipment.
jramskov - Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - link
"Synology also takes special care to point out the photographer-friendly features and packages available for the DS2413+."Anyone able to expand on that?
Gr8Ape - Wednesday, October 3, 2012 - link
this looks like it: http://www.synology.com/dsm/dsm_app.php?lang=enu (Photo Station)<em>Photo Station is an online photo album integrated with a blog for you to easily share photos, videos, and blog over the Internet. The package offers in-depth integration with various social networking sites. You can browse photos saved on your DiskStation via any major browser and mobile devices.</em>
jramskov - Thursday, October 4, 2012 - link
Well, that's not specific to that model. I use that today on my DS1010+.centosfan - Sunday, October 7, 2012 - link
I have been looking for a NAS just like this, that has a solid OS reputation, to go into my rack at a data center which is a 125 miles from my house. But I will not put anything in there that does not have a redundant power supply. I think they really screwed up by not at least offering an optional redundant power supply. For Synology to market this to the Enterprise sector with out a redundant PSU is somewhat absurd.Hopefully they will learn from their mistake and come out with an inexpensive 2U rackmount version with a redundant PSU.
In the mean time I will look at building my own.
Lifted - Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - link
You want 2U with redundant power?NAS:
RS3412RPxs
2U, 12 bays, expandable to 136TB, 4 x 1GbE (optional 2 x GbE), redundant power
http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?produ...
Expansion:
RX1211RP
2U, 12 bays, redundant power
http://www.synology.com/products/rx1211.php?lang=e...
Or you could just build your own. :P
centosfan - Friday, October 12, 2012 - link
Thanks, I am aware of that model, but I am not interested in paying $3000 for that :) It has about $850 in parts.I'll build my on and put FreeNAS on it.
Thanks.