To see performance figures on the HTC pro 2 as soon as you can get one.
I'll be skipping the Nokia n97 because its keyboard is bashed in many reviews, and because I'm a bit tired of symbian and like WM better...
And I'll obviously skip the iphone 3gs because it has no keyboard whatsoever!! does it have copy&paste functionality built in already, or do you still need to get an add on for that in this one, too?
You have seriously screwed up when it comes to the G1. Your times makes it feel that you have been payed alot to get theese figures, something tells me, you just had a bad build, or something.
Try the new my touch(magic for Europe, same hardware as G1), with the 1.5 "cupcake" it's almost as fast as the 3gs according to your figures. Have you tried different access points?
I am holding a 3GS and a 3G (upgraded to iphone os 3.0), however to me, the 3GS does not seem to have such a huge difference in loading times as you have documented in this article.
Loading the anandtech.com page only took 11.2 seconds on my 3G. Have you cleared out the cache/history/cookies before running your test?
If you throw out the slashdot.org (statistical outlier) the advantage of the 3gs over the pre is only 11%.
Really this set of data is not a very conclusive test, the pre was actually faster loading 3 of the 9 websites. You really need to compare quite a few more sites to get viably accurate performance % advantage.
I own a g1... and the time I got are way different from your tests
Do the g1 or pre have any programs running in the background?
I understand that the iphone does not handle multitasking... In other words, once you close the yahoo app, it logs you off... which is rather pointless to use im at all imho
Hi Anand,
I am sorry to ask but am bit curious did you use non formated sites for facebook & Slashdot because of too much discrepency of my Iphone 3GS and your numbers of it.
Also I was wondering if you can do a app launching test on Iphone 3GS with a 3rd party app as most of the native apps run services in background (I found this by installing backgrounder app from Cydia after jailbreak on 3G and found that many native apps were running in background already). So its not launching from standstill if its half running.
Thanks.
Ehsan
wow, you're telling me that majority of the " native apps" are already running? that's why it appears to pull up different apps quickly, already running a certain percentage per app (native). I think that is a good question as well.
I' d really like to see how these devices compare to the Samsung Omnia HD (the most advanced Symbian phone to date) and the soon to be released Samsung i7500 (sporting a platform similaro to the HTC Magic) running Android 1.5 OS.
You're going to sit there and tell me that wi-fi is a true test? Because ATT & Sprint cannot connect at the same time? Hmm? Alright, example: Dallas TX, both ATT and Sprint have superb coverage there. You can run iphone 3gs and palm pre data at the same time..why cant you test then? I agree, reset both devices and search from scratch, pull up sites, big sites-cnn.com you know what i mean. I stand corrected about the robust amount of apps..though i do know that pre has an app emulator that allows you to run old programs from prev palm devices and even allows 2way cable synching. Yes I ran 20 apps, the last 4 apps did take awhile to come up, but finally did. As far as I can see, the iphone will not allow multiple major apps to be ran at the same time. So how do you call that a true multi-tasking device. I still believe all the apps are a simple solution for the slow att data network. I repeat again, i stand corrected about the many apps that i posted. i have no problem with being corrected, i appreciate everyone checking me on that! i am not bias on my feedback, i do know that that the pre will not allow you to forward sms text, yet, sw update coming soon to fix that issue. the software update that came 1.0.3 did come quick, yet did fix major issues because of the overwhelming feedback given to palm on the pre's release date. those guys work quick. Question, can you watch tv on the new iphone? Still wont allow you to remove the battery if it fails to boot up?
How many times must you be told? The coverage of the city does not mean the tests will be equal. Users on the tower, the distance from the tower, the throughput of that particular tower, etc. all affect the latency, upload and download speeds for various file sizes. This will change throughout the day and where you move to in relation to the tower and what towers you are on. That is why using the SAME WiFi connection connected to the SAME internet connection the SAME distance from the router is the more fair test for judging the page rendering speed of each device.
Which will be used more by users? Their on personal carrier or wi-fi? so forget the controlled wi-fi test and get with the real world test! So don't act like you know, just straight up know!
Nice comparison overall, but your web browsing benchmark is a little whack- some sites (slashdot for example) return a iphone optimized site based on the user agent - i.e. you're essentially testing loading two different sites.
The software update for webOS 1.0.3 is less than 36 hours old. But that upgrade fixes a lot: Echange Certificate SSL, Battery Optimization, speed...oh did you know the pre now has approximate 700,000 apps now!! Don't believe me, check out this site: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/20/close-to-700-00...">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/20/clos...-000-pal... sooooo looks like the pre is going to be just fine. has anyone tested the iphone 3gs vs palm pre using their carriers own data network, not this convoluted wi-fi..also how do we know that the sites have not been viewed before..if the cookies have not been deleted then its going to recall the site faster than if cookies were cleared before the test...so no true details were given, they just hooked up to wi-fi and off you go. Come do you really think you'll be using wi-fi every place you go? No, you'll use ATT's slow data speed. Oh is that why the iphone has sooo many apps? app this, app that, app for everything, why because it would take too long getting there on att data network. why am i talking like this, i have the iphone and pre, lol att unlimited plan is too expensive: $99 unlimited talk + $30 unlimited data + $20 unlimited text total $149.99, Sprint: Unlimited talk, data, text, navigation, live tv, and more for total $99.99, a $50 less plan and gives you more and a sweet pre plus the data power to multi-task, oh on the iphone how many apps can you run at once? I ran 20 apps on the pre before it began to bog down..few that i ran: pandora, facebook, cnn, google, sprint tv, live search, youtube...Linux OS is the truth!!!!
1) A Linux OS may be the truth to you, but your comments on this site are from the truth.
2) As previously stated, but reiterated because I find it impossible that you just simply made a mistake, but there are not 700k apps for the Pre, compared to the iPhone’s 50k. They don’t even a public SDK available. If you are going to lie at least try to be clever about it.
3) The x.x.3 update for the Pre should be an indication that the update is relatively minor. There are no major changes that have been discovered. The OS is not using the HW better and the battery is still where it was before.
4) The reason WiFi is being used is because both devices can connect to the same network at the same time in the same place. Sprint nor AT&T is dominate or faulty in all areas, which is why the Pre lost out to Anand’s testing of the iPhone 3G (not 3GS) and the Pre at the link below.
5) Sprint’s unlimited everything is cheaper than AT&T’s unlimited everything, as Anand states, but that is how things work between a faltering company trying to keep users from leaving and a company that is having activation issues from having too many users activate new phones at once. If Sprint were a dominate carrier with wider coverage and good phones they surely wouldn’t have to make such discounts… which don’t seem to be working anyway. On top that, most people don’t need all that, and the $69 is the same between devices, expect for the SMS, but adults tend not to care about that, especially when they have email.
6) You may have ran 20 apps at once but the bogging started right away as each new app will take an allotment of RAM and CPU cycles as needed. What you may have meant is that you could open up 20 apps before the system told you couldn’t open up any more, but I have doubts that you got that many open at once.
7) The current iPhone now has plenty or RAM free to allow for background apps, and I’m sure Apple will be releasing the option to iPhone 3GS or newer iPhones and Touches in the future, once the logistics and coding are worked out. Running multiple webpages in the background using the Apple-funded WebKit is not exactly the same as running a C-based app with rich frameworks.
8) If you think the Pre is so fast and you apparently have both devices then test the Pre’s app opening with the iPhone’s from a cold start. Restore from factory is you must. If you don’t want to, no bother, as there will others testing them shortly, but if you do it at least you’ll see that Anand and the rest of the internet isn’t lying to you.
On number 2, OP made a mistake. He meant to say 700k times downloaded. He missed a word downloaded which you should have caught the mistake if you clicked on link.
On number 3, battery life is much better after upgrade and if you read Anand "Palm Pre" review you would know that it almost matched Iphone 3G battery life. Even Apple speech about 'native multitasking is waste of battery life' sound too hollow at this point.
On number 4, Update itself is not important given your theory that its not major update (major update is coming in August that include video recording & more features) but timing is important. With so less people on payroll compared to Apple they are doing phenomenal job.
On number 5, Adult do care about messaging. Its faster and easy. Not everyone is a geek like us who got Imap or exchange. Also price is important when it goes up to be more than $1000 after 2 year contract. And did I mention free roaming with Verizon when Sprint network not available? Also it matters when one provider gives turn by turn navigation along with google map for free while other one announces 3rd party accessory for now and will bomb us with price of tomtom app later. There are other things that matters but I will just leave that alone for now.
On number 6, Even if Pre runs 6 to 8 apps (my normal use), its better than Iphone. In my experience mutliple apps didnt slowdown the OS or UI.
On number 7, I used backgrounder app from Cydia and concur with you that due to C-based apps & rich framework it simply is not easy to do multitasking on Iphone, even on 3GS. Its just the way it is.
On number 8, I respect Anand testing for years and other people who tested both devices but I have my questions about the review and method. Like other poster asked, I want to know if Anand used formatted facebook and slashdot sites for the review? Also Iphone runs few services at boot time which include email, browser etc so comparing app opening on Iphone with on Pre is not fair in my opinion. But I do say even with recent updates Pre needs lot of tuning.
I am keeping my iphone though as Pre is not a device for gaming and is far away from getting good collection of apps that I must have before converting. But I am spoiled just as I was with 1st gen Iphone. Even with its shortcomings at start I am keeping Pre.
Do you think it would be a fair test using sprint's data network vs att? Given the fact that they both claim best and most coverage nation-wide (foot print) I say choose a major city that show's both att and sprint best coverage: San Fran, Dallas, Miami? I agree major update coming in Aug. Will the iphone 3gs be able to run tv? why do you think apple choose to not give iphone a non-removable battery, is it a money game that cost the customer's in the end and how do you go about replacing your battery if its bad and is there phone protection plan?
Alright, you seriously compared the devices Wi-Fi speed, that is too funny. Wi-Fi do not cover ground like both sprint and AT&T both gloat about. I say for all you iPhone lovers, test iPhone 3GS (16GB/32GB) vs. palm pre' using their own carriers data speeds, see who wins? I say this because you'll more than likely 85% of the time use your own carriers data network instead of Wi-Fi unless you're on college campus, airport, gov't building, something major, how about outside your home, walking in the park, at the beach, bus station, outside your child's school while waiting to pick them up, how about outside the movie theatre's trying to check that movie time again....using Wi-Fi is not the way to go, but if you really want to, head up to Baltimore and use sprint's, that right sprint's 4g called WiMAX....post your true results, everyone look for someone with an iPhone 3gs, and vice versa all iPhone 3gs look for someone with a palm pre', toss out the Wi-Fi and go head to head using your carriers data speeds head to head, I dare you at&t!
Too funny, you're commenting on my typing? Come on now, let's get real. I did not know that my typing skills were being analyzed. Let me now apologize to all perfect commentators on this and all other sites, lol....But I really didn't think my all caps would be taken as shouting, perception I love and hate it.
Archos released the first ARM Cortex A8 based product in the Archos 5, Archos 7 and the Archos 5G about 10 months ago. Still I am sure Archos has a faster web browwser, even considering that the Archos HSDPA or WiFi browser has 3x more pixels at 800x480 on a still very pocketable 2x larger screen at 4.8" in diameter. Archos is releasing the next generation in September, running Android, even thinner, with up to 500GB, and even better optimized.
I have tmobile data plan and att data plan. I don't why people are so upset with aTT, but their data Plan is cheap and peforms it's worth and i mean data plan only not the stiff contract from iphone. Tmobile is just horrid and Verizon is just pure evil someone should knock them off their high horse. Sprint is promising base on this review.
The Pre's processor is rated at 600mhz, but it's locked to 500mhz. After obtaining root access you can up it to 600 as well as turn on scaling to save battery life. This battle is far from over.
If you have an iTouch 2G to hand, could you possibly compare website loading speeds on it with the iPhone 3G (using WiFi of course). The reason is because the iTouch 2G clocks its ARM11 at 533MHz instead of 412MHz - a 29% clockspeed increase. It would be interesting to see how much difference that 29% translates to in real-world performance.
Anand, I hope you'll look further into what specific SGX model is in the iPhone 3G S. Seeing the processor and RAM is identical between the new iPhone and the Palm Pre, it'll be interesting if the Pre has the GPU advantage with the SGX530 if Apple did use the SGX520.
As well, could you also do your speed tests between the iPhone OS 2.2.1 and iPhone OS 3.0 using the original iPhone 3G? It'd be interesting to see what type of speed-ups have been accomplished in software. As well, it'd be very interesting to see if there have been fps speed-ups just from iPhone OS 3.0 with the old MBX as John Cormack thinks a 2 times improvement could be possible if Apple would spend more effort on optimizing the OpenGL stack.
it's funny that I got the same times with my iphone 3g too.
Camera launch time was exactly 4.6 secs. It's even funnier that I did the tests with the old 2.2.1 firmware.
With 0s 3.0 these are the results
Application Launch Time in Seconds
WB Dialer GM Camera Email
Apple iPhone 3GS 0.7 s 0.7 s 2.7 s 2.8 s 0.8 s
my result with os 3.0:
Apple iPhone 3G 0.7 s 1.1 s 2.2 s 2.6 s 0.7 s
you should also time more intensitive apps, that's where the new iphone 3gs will shine.
Apps like web or dialer are damn too fast to even measure, they have none load time, you just wait for the opening animation to finish and the app is ready.
Apps like settings, clock and calendar discriminating. Also I've seen game load times and 3gs is definetaly faster.
I might be wrong, but you didn't specifically mention the OS on the 3G. The only reason I mention this, is I've seen a noticable increase in page render speed on my Iphone original after going to 3.0.
Maybe they know their clientel aren't exclusive and probably visit half the sites on the list, so it's a good set of test cases readers might actually visit on their phones.
as anand stated, the increase in speed is only due in part to the increased clock. The cortex a8 is an entirely new processor that can handle two instructions per cycle instead of the single that the arm 11 did. Even if the old iphone were OC'd to 600mhz the 3g s with its more robust cortex a8 would easily outpace it.
I assume that the browser and app tests here and on the Palm Pre review for the iPhone 3G are for the older OS. If so, would you mind listing both so we can see any performance changes between OS and WebKit/SquirrelFish optimizations?
The Safari numbers are from OS 3.0 but the app launch times were from the older OS, I just reran both to confirm and I've updated the app launch times.
My camera launch time with iphone 3g os 3.0 is 2.6 secs. It might be something with the phone and how full the photos folder is or how many apps you have I dont know. Can anybody confirm and do a test with this?
I launched the camera app 5 times and took the average, all times were consistent and were about 2.6 secs.
OK, I think I've found the culprit. After the phone was locked for a long time (about 10 min), I've unlocked the phone and went directly to the camera app, the first run took 4.0 secs. Consecutive runs all ended up around 2.6 secs.
I used the same restore image on both iPhones and attempted to launch from a clean restart so nothing was cached. I did notice variation between some runs, I'm guessing background tasks are clouding results. In the final review I will have much more strenuous launch tests that should eliminate these sorts of issues, I just wanted to get a general idea out there quickly of how fast this thing is.
Maybe I am a bit daft but I don't see how it is 54% faster...on all the tests but one the new iPhone loads the pages in less then 1/2 time so wouldn't that make it over 100% faster?
In terms of cumulative time rendering Web pages tested:
Reduction in time to 1/2 from any reference point means that speed has increased by a factor of 2 (inverse of time). Increasing speed 100 percent from any reference point is another way of stating that speed has doubled (i.e. increased by a factor of 2).
With reference point set at 100:
1 x 100 = 100. Percent change = 0 %
2 x 100 = 100 + 100 = 200. Percent change = 100 %
3 x 100 = 100 + 100 + 100 = 300. Percent change = 200 %
* iPhone 3GS vs iPhone 3G
Percent time ratio = 108.3 s / 240 s = 0.45125 = 45.1 %
Percent speed change = inverse of 0.45125 = 2.216 = 121.6 % (faster)
* iPhone 3GS vs Palm Pre
Percent time ratio = 108.3 s / 130.6 s = 0.82925 = 82.9 %
Percent speed change = inverse of 0.82925 = 1.206 = 20.6 % (faster)
* iPhone 3GS vs T-Mobile G1
Percent time ratio = 108.3 s / 263.6 s = 0.41085 = 41.1 %
Percent speed change = inverse of 0.41085 = 2.434 = 143.4 % (faster)
Anand,
You need to correct the performance numbers!
For the title and table 1:
iPhone 3GS Performance: 121.6% Faster than the 3G, 20.6% Faster than the Pre;
For table 2:
iPhone 3GS vs. 3G Performance Advantage: 14%; 71%; 22%; 39%; 50%.
Thank you so much guys not only for the correction but for the manner in which you presented it. I've updated the tables in the article.
I agree that "faster" is far too ambiguous of a word. I was thinking "in less time" but that's not the appropriate word to represent such a thing. Thanks again and I apologize for the error.
the advantage of the 3gs over the 3g is ~50% (things take half as long)
the disadvantage of the 3g compared to the 3gs is ~100% (things take twice as long)
...
it is quite easy to manipulate statistics and we always try to frame things in the most real world, useful and non-misleading way possible.
statistics are a tool, not an end in themselves ... whenever someone tries to sell you on statistics without the empirical data you should be seriously skeptical.
Thus, the speed of the 3gs is 2.43x that of the original 3g.
This is a common mistake I see everywhere... The comparison is made backwards because he who makes the article forgets that when you are talking about time to compare speeds, the relationship is inverse, not direct.
That being said... I still need a phone with a real keyboard. I'd like to see how the next n97 and HTC touch pro2 do against all of these, specially in the OS and application response time department... not too interested in bandwidth measurements as I use the phone too little when it comes to browsing.
Pardon me, forgot to say that, in this article, you are not actually measuring speed, but rather the time it takes for the newcomer to get things done when compared to the original one.
In that respect, saying that the 3gs takes only 59% of the time of the original one is pretty correct... What is not correct, is to say that it's 59% faster.
Why is the first iPhone ignored in these speed comparisons? Millions of first-generation iPhone owners are contemplating the upgrade, and I have no idea how the first generation phone compares in speed to either the 3g or the 3gs.
I can't understand why the Blackberry Storm isn't included in comparisons like this. There was a new update a couple of weeks ago, and, at least in terms of loading applications, the storm is just as fast as the 3G S, if not faster. I can say, for a fact, that the Storm is faster than the numbers listed for the 3G, Pre, and G1.
I'm not saying the Storm is better. The iPhone has a LOT of things going for it, but the Storm is a popular phone on one of the nations largest carriers, and it performs well enough (now, if not when it was released) to be included in comparisons such as this.
I think the comparison really comes down to what you're using the iPod for. It actually comes with a lot of business apps, which really wouldn't make a difference in the S.
The only reason I didn't include the Storm? I don't have one :) I was a blackberry user long before the iPhone, there's a special place in my heart for them - although I think I still do favor the older blackberries thanks to their larger keyboards. I loved typing on them.
Yeah, typing seems to a love it or hate it thing with the Storm. I love the Storm's typing, and it is more responsive than when it launched, but I don't think anything compares to a physical keyboard.
I think somebody should definitely whisper in RIM's ear to get you an updated Storm for a review!
You're kidding right?? I have a storm... You want a comparision? ok.. first off there is no WIFI, so no point in results there since storm 1 doesn't have wifi.
v4.7.0.148 (Platform 4.0.0.181) opening different progs.. (I run the appleberry theme since it's more responsive than the storm's default theme)
Web Browser... 6 sec
Dialer......... 2 sec
Google maps.... 2 sec
Camera......... 4 sec
to take a pic with max resolution. etc. with camera... no comparison... by the time it takes a pic, what ever i was taking one of is long GONE! it takes about 3-7 sec on a GOOD DAY.. lowering resolution, etc. makes this marginally better. for it to SAVE the pic, it takes about 8 sec.
Email.......... 0.8sec
Conclusion: the phone still locks up on heavy use of email/phone, or just turns off since it can't handle heavy use... this is a hardware problem on my phone since there are some other storms that do not experience this. the new OS is faster than the original, .75 however, this is NO iphone, so don't expect it to work consistently like one. :p
I'd say the problem that is cropping up here for the Storm is inconsistency, then, because your times for opening those apps are longer than what I've experienced across the board, with the exception of Google Maps, which your phone seems to do well with.
I have been very happy with the camera on my phone. It runs circles around my wife's Flipshot, as far as responsiveness and image quality are concerned. I've had no problems with shutter delay on the highest settings (as with many cameras, the responsiveness is much better when you press half way to let the autofocus work), although video recording doesn't always stop recording as responsively as I'd like.
My web browser, and dialer launch within no more than 1 second, and the camera is ready to go within 1.5 to 2 seconds.
I should note that I am using the default theme.
I'm not trying to disclaim your numbers - I'm legitimately concerned about the fact that the Storm seems to display such a difference in application performance from phone to phone, as I personally know 2 people who aren't happy with their Storm.
And wi-fi being absent shouldn't exclude the storm. People have made such a big deal about this... Where was mms on the iPhone, or video, or flash for the camera (kudos to Apple for adding some of these, btw)? These things might not be important to you, but they are to me, much more so than wi-fi. Each of these phonse have their advantages and disadvantages, and for many, Wi-fi is no more vital than options missing on other phones.
Based on my personal experience, it is a shame that the Storm doesn't get a fair chance. (and to those who would quote sales numbers, they really have no place in a hardware/software performance comparison)
The iPhone 3GS uses an ARM Cortex A8 processor running at 600MHz, faster than its older versions. This processor brings a good speed in your routine works. For instance, in an experiment with new 3GS, web pages render 128% faster than old iPhones; the clock speed boost was 45% and over all performance of 3GS found mimics to the Palm Pre. The basic application load time found ranges in between the 14 to 72% faster than the other Phones.
Iphone application development
However, the Storm is certainly lagging behind in sales. IIRC, the Storm sold around 500,000 units in the first month. The iPhone 3GS is estimated to sell around 500,000-750,000 units in the first weekend.
Just for kicks, I did a comparison of some of the sites mentioned here on my n82 and ipod touch (running OS3.0). The Nokia takes around 4-6 times longer than the ipod to load these sites. These were all on wi-fi sitting right next to my base station.
The Nokia phones have a much slower processor and their build of webkit is way slower. So, there's no point really comparing the two.
I was wondering the same thing. I'm sitting here launching the applications listed in the comparison. The dialer, email, web browser, and camera launch instantly with a button press. Google Maps took a little longer to launch, but it was as fast as the 3GS.
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mack123 - Saturday, July 18, 2009 - link
http://www.puremobile.com/apple-iphone-3gs-unlocke...">http://www.puremobile.com/apple-iphone-3gs-unlocke... what is the difference between 3G and the 3GS? nad am i able to yous this phone with my GSM service provider(AT&T)?DeepBlue1975 - Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - link
To see performance figures on the HTC pro 2 as soon as you can get one.I'll be skipping the Nokia n97 because its keyboard is bashed in many reviews, and because I'm a bit tired of symbian and like WM better...
And I'll obviously skip the iphone 3gs because it has no keyboard whatsoever!! does it have copy&paste functionality built in already, or do you still need to get an add on for that in this one, too?
MrBowmore - Friday, June 26, 2009 - link
You have seriously screwed up when it comes to the G1. Your times makes it feel that you have been payed alot to get theese figures, something tells me, you just had a bad build, or something.Try the new my touch(magic for Europe, same hardware as G1), with the 1.5 "cupcake" it's almost as fast as the 3gs according to your figures. Have you tried different access points?
crispbp04 - Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - link
My touch HD takes a dump on all these phones.aredee - Tuesday, June 23, 2009 - link
Dear Anand,I am holding a 3GS and a 3G (upgraded to iphone os 3.0), however to me, the 3GS does not seem to have such a huge difference in loading times as you have documented in this article.
Loading the anandtech.com page only took 11.2 seconds on my 3G. Have you cleared out the cache/history/cookies before running your test?
natenrb9 - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
If you throw out the slashdot.org (statistical outlier) the advantage of the 3gs over the pre is only 11%.Really this set of data is not a very conclusive test, the pre was actually faster loading 3 of the 9 websites. You really need to compare quite a few more sites to get viably accurate performance % advantage.
katrinak - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
before going for a e72, u might want to have a look here..http://makemylogic.com/2009/06/18/nokia-e72-vs-e71...">http://makemylogic.com/2009/06/18/nokia-e72-vs-e71...
vwongd20 - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
I own a g1... and the time I got are way different from your testsDo the g1 or pre have any programs running in the background?
I understand that the iphone does not handle multitasking... In other words, once you close the yahoo app, it logs you off... which is rather pointless to use im at all imho
Ehsan - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
Hi Anand,I am sorry to ask but am bit curious did you use non formated sites for facebook & Slashdot because of too much discrepency of my Iphone 3GS and your numbers of it.
Also I was wondering if you can do a app launching test on Iphone 3GS with a 3rd party app as most of the native apps run services in background (I found this by installing backgrounder app from Cydia after jailbreak on 3G and found that many native apps were running in background already). So its not launching from standstill if its half running.
Thanks.
Ehsan
MultiCarrierUser - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
wow, you're telling me that majority of the " native apps" are already running? that's why it appears to pull up different apps quickly, already running a certain percentage per app (native). I think that is a good question as well.SydneyBlue120d - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
I' d really like to see how these devices compare to the Samsung Omnia HD (the most advanced Symbian phone to date) and the soon to be released Samsung i7500 (sporting a platform similaro to the HTC Magic) running Android 1.5 OS.MultiCarrierUser - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
You're going to sit there and tell me that wi-fi is a true test? Because ATT & Sprint cannot connect at the same time? Hmm? Alright, example: Dallas TX, both ATT and Sprint have superb coverage there. You can run iphone 3gs and palm pre data at the same time..why cant you test then? I agree, reset both devices and search from scratch, pull up sites, big sites-cnn.com you know what i mean. I stand corrected about the robust amount of apps..though i do know that pre has an app emulator that allows you to run old programs from prev palm devices and even allows 2way cable synching. Yes I ran 20 apps, the last 4 apps did take awhile to come up, but finally did. As far as I can see, the iphone will not allow multiple major apps to be ran at the same time. So how do you call that a true multi-tasking device. I still believe all the apps are a simple solution for the slow att data network. I repeat again, i stand corrected about the many apps that i posted. i have no problem with being corrected, i appreciate everyone checking me on that! i am not bias on my feedback, i do know that that the pre will not allow you to forward sms text, yet, sw update coming soon to fix that issue. the software update that came 1.0.3 did come quick, yet did fix major issues because of the overwhelming feedback given to palm on the pre's release date. those guys work quick. Question, can you watch tv on the new iphone? Still wont allow you to remove the battery if it fails to boot up?solipsism - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
How many times must you be told? The coverage of the city does not mean the tests will be equal. Users on the tower, the distance from the tower, the throughput of that particular tower, etc. all affect the latency, upload and download speeds for various file sizes. This will change throughout the day and where you move to in relation to the tower and what towers you are on. That is why using the SAME WiFi connection connected to the SAME internet connection the SAME distance from the router is the more fair test for judging the page rendering speed of each device.MultiCarrierUser - Saturday, June 27, 2009 - link
Which will be used more by users? Their on personal carrier or wi-fi? so forget the controlled wi-fi test and get with the real world test! So don't act like you know, just straight up know!PoundSand - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
Nice comparison overall, but your web browsing benchmark is a little whack- some sites (slashdot for example) return a iphone optimized site based on the user agent - i.e. you're essentially testing loading two different sites.Lifedelinquent - Sunday, June 21, 2009 - link
The link says 700,000 apps downloaded, not 700,000 apps to download.MultiCarrierUser - Sunday, June 21, 2009 - link
The software update for webOS 1.0.3 is less than 36 hours old. But that upgrade fixes a lot: Echange Certificate SSL, Battery Optimization, speed...oh did you know the pre now has approximate 700,000 apps now!! Don't believe me, check out this site: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/20/close-to-700-00...">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/20/clos...-000-pal... sooooo looks like the pre is going to be just fine. has anyone tested the iphone 3gs vs palm pre using their carriers own data network, not this convoluted wi-fi..also how do we know that the sites have not been viewed before..if the cookies have not been deleted then its going to recall the site faster than if cookies were cleared before the test...so no true details were given, they just hooked up to wi-fi and off you go. Come do you really think you'll be using wi-fi every place you go? No, you'll use ATT's slow data speed. Oh is that why the iphone has sooo many apps? app this, app that, app for everything, why because it would take too long getting there on att data network. why am i talking like this, i have the iphone and pre, lol att unlimited plan is too expensive: $99 unlimited talk + $30 unlimited data + $20 unlimited text total $149.99, Sprint: Unlimited talk, data, text, navigation, live tv, and more for total $99.99, a $50 less plan and gives you more and a sweet pre plus the data power to multi-task, oh on the iphone how many apps can you run at once? I ran 20 apps on the pre before it began to bog down..few that i ran: pandora, facebook, cnn, google, sprint tv, live search, youtube...Linux OS is the truth!!!!solipsism - Sunday, June 21, 2009 - link
1) A Linux OS may be the truth to you, but your comments on this site are from the truth.2) As previously stated, but reiterated because I find it impossible that you just simply made a mistake, but there are not 700k apps for the Pre, compared to the iPhone’s 50k. They don’t even a public SDK available. If you are going to lie at least try to be clever about it.
3) The x.x.3 update for the Pre should be an indication that the update is relatively minor. There are no major changes that have been discovered. The OS is not using the HW better and the battery is still where it was before.
4) The reason WiFi is being used is because both devices can connect to the same network at the same time in the same place. Sprint nor AT&T is dominate or faulty in all areas, which is why the Pre lost out to Anand’s testing of the iPhone 3G (not 3GS) and the Pre at the link below.
• http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=35...">http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=35...
5) Sprint’s unlimited everything is cheaper than AT&T’s unlimited everything, as Anand states, but that is how things work between a faltering company trying to keep users from leaving and a company that is having activation issues from having too many users activate new phones at once. If Sprint were a dominate carrier with wider coverage and good phones they surely wouldn’t have to make such discounts… which don’t seem to be working anyway. On top that, most people don’t need all that, and the $69 is the same between devices, expect for the SMS, but adults tend not to care about that, especially when they have email.
6) You may have ran 20 apps at once but the bogging started right away as each new app will take an allotment of RAM and CPU cycles as needed. What you may have meant is that you could open up 20 apps before the system told you couldn’t open up any more, but I have doubts that you got that many open at once.
7) The current iPhone now has plenty or RAM free to allow for background apps, and I’m sure Apple will be releasing the option to iPhone 3GS or newer iPhones and Touches in the future, once the logistics and coding are worked out. Running multiple webpages in the background using the Apple-funded WebKit is not exactly the same as running a C-based app with rich frameworks.
8) If you think the Pre is so fast and you apparently have both devices then test the Pre’s app opening with the iPhone’s from a cold start. Restore from factory is you must. If you don’t want to, no bother, as there will others testing them shortly, but if you do it at least you’ll see that Anand and the rest of the internet isn’t lying to you.
PS: Sent from my iPhone. Good luck with your Pre
Ehsan - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
On number 2, OP made a mistake. He meant to say 700k times downloaded. He missed a word downloaded which you should have caught the mistake if you clicked on link.On number 3, battery life is much better after upgrade and if you read Anand "Palm Pre" review you would know that it almost matched Iphone 3G battery life. Even Apple speech about 'native multitasking is waste of battery life' sound too hollow at this point.
On number 4, Update itself is not important given your theory that its not major update (major update is coming in August that include video recording & more features) but timing is important. With so less people on payroll compared to Apple they are doing phenomenal job.
On number 5, Adult do care about messaging. Its faster and easy. Not everyone is a geek like us who got Imap or exchange. Also price is important when it goes up to be more than $1000 after 2 year contract. And did I mention free roaming with Verizon when Sprint network not available? Also it matters when one provider gives turn by turn navigation along with google map for free while other one announces 3rd party accessory for now and will bomb us with price of tomtom app later. There are other things that matters but I will just leave that alone for now.
On number 6, Even if Pre runs 6 to 8 apps (my normal use), its better than Iphone. In my experience mutliple apps didnt slowdown the OS or UI.
On number 7, I used backgrounder app from Cydia and concur with you that due to C-based apps & rich framework it simply is not easy to do multitasking on Iphone, even on 3GS. Its just the way it is.
On number 8, I respect Anand testing for years and other people who tested both devices but I have my questions about the review and method. Like other poster asked, I want to know if Anand used formatted facebook and slashdot sites for the review? Also Iphone runs few services at boot time which include email, browser etc so comparing app opening on Iphone with on Pre is not fair in my opinion. But I do say even with recent updates Pre needs lot of tuning.
I am keeping my iphone though as Pre is not a device for gaming and is far away from getting good collection of apps that I must have before converting. But I am spoiled just as I was with 1st gen Iphone. Even with its shortcomings at start I am keeping Pre.
MultiCarrierUser - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
Do you think it would be a fair test using sprint's data network vs att? Given the fact that they both claim best and most coverage nation-wide (foot print) I say choose a major city that show's both att and sprint best coverage: San Fran, Dallas, Miami? I agree major update coming in Aug. Will the iphone 3gs be able to run tv? why do you think apple choose to not give iphone a non-removable battery, is it a money game that cost the customer's in the end and how do you go about replacing your battery if its bad and is there phone protection plan?MultiCarrierUser - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
[EDIT: No shouting in CAPS, thank you!]Alright, you seriously compared the devices Wi-Fi speed, that is too funny. Wi-Fi do not cover ground like both sprint and AT&T both gloat about. I say for all you iPhone lovers, test iPhone 3GS (16GB/32GB) vs. palm pre' using their own carriers data speeds, see who wins? I say this because you'll more than likely 85% of the time use your own carriers data network instead of Wi-Fi unless you're on college campus, airport, gov't building, something major, how about outside your home, walking in the park, at the beach, bus station, outside your child's school while waiting to pick them up, how about outside the movie theatre's trying to check that movie time again....using Wi-Fi is not the way to go, but if you really want to, head up to Baltimore and use sprint's, that right sprint's 4g called WiMAX....post your true results, everyone look for someone with an iPhone 3gs, and vice versa all iPhone 3gs look for someone with a palm pre', toss out the Wi-Fi and go head to head using your carriers data speeds head to head, I dare you at&t!
The0ne - Sunday, June 21, 2009 - link
You need to learn how to type or not comment at all.MultiCarrierUser - Monday, June 22, 2009 - link
Too funny, you're commenting on my typing? Come on now, let's get real. I did not know that my typing skills were being analyzed. Let me now apologize to all perfect commentators on this and all other sites, lol....But I really didn't think my all caps would be taken as shouting, perception I love and hate it.araczynski - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
still crappy resolution? i'll wait for their 10th revision of the thing before biting.Charbax - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
Archos released the first ARM Cortex A8 based product in the Archos 5, Archos 7 and the Archos 5G about 10 months ago. Still I am sure Archos has a faster web browwser, even considering that the Archos HSDPA or WiFi browser has 3x more pixels at 800x480 on a still very pocketable 2x larger screen at 4.8" in diameter. Archos is releasing the next generation in September, running Android, even thinner, with up to 500GB, and even better optimized.anandtech02148 - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
I have tmobile data plan and att data plan. I don't why people are so upset with aTT, but their data Plan is cheap and peforms it's worth and i mean data plan only not the stiff contract from iphone. Tmobile is just horrid and Verizon is just pure evil someone should knock them off their high horse. Sprint is promising base on this review.ChodaBoyUSA - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
For the Pre, did you use webOS 1.0.3?jonyah - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
The Pre's processor is rated at 600mhz, but it's locked to 500mhz. After obtaining root access you can up it to 600 as well as turn on scaling to save battery life. This battle is far from over.PhysicsPhil - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
Take this simple example as proof:Say you have two racecars.
Car_A and Car_B are moving at constant speeds.
Car_A is traveling at 100 mph
Car_B is traveling at 154 mph
Car_B is moving 54% faster
(i.e. 54% more distance is covered by Car_B than Car_A over the same time interval).
For both cars to travel 100 miles, there times would be as such:
Time_A = 100 miles / 100 mph = 1 hr;
Time_B = 100 miles / 154 = 0.649 hr;
Therefore Car_B takes 35.1% less time than Car_A to cover the same distance because it is 54% faster.
The "54%" in the article is the REDUCTION IN TIME... BTW if rounded properly it's actually 55%.
(108.3 sec / 240 sec) = 0.45125
so according to this the same result is achieved on the iPhone 3Gs in about 45% of the time, meaning:
100% time / 45% time = 220% of the original 100%
which is 120% faster...
PrinceGaz - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
If you have an iTouch 2G to hand, could you possibly compare website loading speeds on it with the iPhone 3G (using WiFi of course). The reason is because the iTouch 2G clocks its ARM11 at 533MHz instead of 412MHz - a 29% clockspeed increase. It would be interesting to see how much difference that 29% translates to in real-world performance.ltcommanderdata - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
Anand, I hope you'll look further into what specific SGX model is in the iPhone 3G S. Seeing the processor and RAM is identical between the new iPhone and the Palm Pre, it'll be interesting if the Pre has the GPU advantage with the SGX530 if Apple did use the SGX520.As well, could you also do your speed tests between the iPhone OS 2.2.1 and iPhone OS 3.0 using the original iPhone 3G? It'd be interesting to see what type of speed-ups have been accomplished in software. As well, it'd be very interesting to see if there have been fps speed-ups just from iPhone OS 3.0 with the old MBX as John Cormack thinks a 2 times improvement could be possible if Apple would spend more effort on optimizing the OpenGL stack.
nowayout - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
it's funny that I got the same times with my iphone 3g too.Camera launch time was exactly 4.6 secs. It's even funnier that I did the tests with the old 2.2.1 firmware.
With 0s 3.0 these are the results
Application Launch Time in Seconds
WB Dialer GM Camera Email
Apple iPhone 3GS 0.7 s 0.7 s 2.7 s 2.8 s 0.8 s
my result with os 3.0:
Apple iPhone 3G 0.7 s 1.1 s 2.2 s 2.6 s 0.7 s
Yeah I know it is funny :)
Try it yourself.
nowayout - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
I must also add that I did tests with iphone 3g os 2.2.1 with and without JB (themes and all)And the phone was approximately about %60 slower when jail broken. Mobile substrate just halts your phone to a crawl.
nowayout - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
you should also time more intensitive apps, that's where the new iphone 3gs will shine.Apps like web or dialer are damn too fast to even measure, they have none load time, you just wait for the opening animation to finish and the app is ready.
Apps like settings, clock and calendar discriminating. Also I've seen game load times and 3gs is definetaly faster.
My times for those with iphone 3g os 3.0 are
settings : 1.9 s
clock : 1.9 s
calendar: 2.6 s
altarity - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
I might be wrong, but you didn't specifically mention the OS on the 3G. The only reason I mention this, is I've seen a noticable increase in page render speed on my Iphone original after going to 3.0.ImSpartacus - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
I like how AT used its competitors' websites for testing; they sure are confident.However, great review, as always.
icrf - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
Maybe they know their clientel aren't exclusive and probably visit half the sites on the list, so it's a good set of test cases readers might actually visit on their phones.aguilpa1 - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
It would likely rival the 3G s in speed since the current 3G is under clocked and has quite a bit of headroom.mesiah - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
as anand stated, the increase in speed is only due in part to the increased clock. The cortex a8 is an entirely new processor that can handle two instructions per cycle instead of the single that the arm 11 did. Even if the old iphone were OC'd to 600mhz the 3g s with its more robust cortex a8 would easily outpace it.solipsism - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
Dear Anand,I assume that the browser and app tests here and on the Palm Pre review for the iPhone 3G are for the older OS. If so, would you mind listing both so we can see any performance changes between OS and WebKit/SquirrelFish optimizations?
Thank you for your time.
Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
The Safari numbers are from OS 3.0 but the app launch times were from the older OS, I just reran both to confirm and I've updated the app launch times.Take care,
Anand
nowayout - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
Hello,My camera launch time with iphone 3g os 3.0 is 2.6 secs. It might be something with the phone and how full the photos folder is or how many apps you have I dont know. Can anybody confirm and do a test with this?
I launched the camera app 5 times and took the average, all times were consistent and were about 2.6 secs.
nowayout - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
OK, I think I've found the culprit. After the phone was locked for a long time (about 10 min), I've unlocked the phone and went directly to the camera app, the first run took 4.0 secs. Consecutive runs all ended up around 2.6 secs.Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
I used the same restore image on both iPhones and attempted to launch from a clean restart so nothing was cached. I did notice variation between some runs, I'm guessing background tasks are clouding results. In the final review I will have much more strenuous launch tests that should eliminate these sorts of issues, I just wanted to get a general idea out there quickly of how fast this thing is.Take care,
Anand
solipsism - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
Thank you for the speed update and kindly response.tomtastic42 - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
Great look at the speed! As always AnandTech delivers the info I want.ERJ - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
Maybe I am a bit daft but I don't see how it is 54% faster...on all the tests but one the new iPhone loads the pages in less then 1/2 time so wouldn't that make it over 100% faster?paragonjr - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
Absolutely correct!In terms of cumulative time rendering Web pages tested:
Reduction in time to 1/2 from any reference point means that speed has increased by a factor of 2 (inverse of time). Increasing speed 100 percent from any reference point is another way of stating that speed has doubled (i.e. increased by a factor of 2).
With reference point set at 100:
1 x 100 = 100. Percent change = 0 %
2 x 100 = 100 + 100 = 200. Percent change = 100 %
3 x 100 = 100 + 100 + 100 = 300. Percent change = 200 %
* iPhone 3GS vs iPhone 3G
Percent time ratio = 108.3 s / 240 s = 0.45125 = 45.1 %
Percent speed change = inverse of 0.45125 = 2.216 = 121.6 % (faster)
* iPhone 3GS vs Palm Pre
Percent time ratio = 108.3 s / 130.6 s = 0.82925 = 82.9 %
Percent speed change = inverse of 0.82925 = 1.206 = 20.6 % (faster)
* iPhone 3GS vs T-Mobile G1
Percent time ratio = 108.3 s / 263.6 s = 0.41085 = 41.1 %
Percent speed change = inverse of 0.41085 = 2.434 = 143.4 % (faster)
Edias - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
Anand,You need to correct the performance numbers!
For the title and table 1:
iPhone 3GS Performance: 121.6% Faster than the 3G, 20.6% Faster than the Pre;
For table 2:
iPhone 3GS vs. 3G Performance Advantage: 14%; 71%; 22%; 39%; 50%.
It's only mathematics!
Anand Lal Shimpi - Sunday, June 21, 2009 - link
Thank you so much guys not only for the correction but for the manner in which you presented it. I've updated the tables in the article.I agree that "faster" is far too ambiguous of a word. I was thinking "in less time" but that's not the appropriate word to represent such a thing. Thanks again and I apologize for the error.
Take care,
Anand
DerekWilson - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
the advantage of the 3gs over the 3g is ~50% (things take half as long)the disadvantage of the 3g compared to the 3gs is ~100% (things take twice as long)
...
it is quite easy to manipulate statistics and we always try to frame things in the most real world, useful and non-misleading way possible.
statistics are a tool, not an end in themselves ... whenever someone tries to sell you on statistics without the empirical data you should be seriously skeptical.
DeepBlue1975 - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
You are comparing speeds.If it was about a 1000kb site,
0.7" = 1428kb/s
1.7" = 588kb/s
Thus, the speed of the 3gs is 2.43x that of the original 3g.
This is a common mistake I see everywhere... The comparison is made backwards because he who makes the article forgets that when you are talking about time to compare speeds, the relationship is inverse, not direct.
That being said... I still need a phone with a real keyboard. I'd like to see how the next n97 and HTC touch pro2 do against all of these, specially in the OS and application response time department... not too interested in bandwidth measurements as I use the phone too little when it comes to browsing.
DeepBlue1975 - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
Pardon me, forgot to say that, in this article, you are not actually measuring speed, but rather the time it takes for the newcomer to get things done when compared to the original one.In that respect, saying that the 3gs takes only 59% of the time of the original one is pretty correct... What is not correct, is to say that it's 59% faster.
Tristano - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
Why is the first iPhone ignored in these speed comparisons? Millions of first-generation iPhone owners are contemplating the upgrade, and I have no idea how the first generation phone compares in speed to either the 3g or the 3gs.jimhsu - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
"Faster" in itself is ambiguous. Takes "half the time", a 54% reduction in launch time, "twice as fast" ... there's got to be a better alternative.DerekWilson - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
You know, I've always advocated for using "percent difference" ... It would look like this:abs(test1 - test2) / ( (test1+test2) / 2) )
Right now we tend to look at either "percent increase" or "percent decrease" which are relative to either the higher or lower value in the testing ...
These two options do definitely have their place, but all three are useful for different purposes.
Cacolaco - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
100% reduction in time?That's the sort of alternative I'd be more than happy to pay for...
DerekWilson - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
you have got to be tired. get some freaking rest already!But also, those are some pretty solid improvements ... very impressive stuff.
I'm hoping the G2 will bring some improvements to google's platform since I have t-mobile and don't want to break my contract ...
Cacolaco - Friday, June 19, 2009 - link
I can't understand why the Blackberry Storm isn't included in comparisons like this. There was a new update a couple of weeks ago, and, at least in terms of loading applications, the storm is just as fast as the 3G S, if not faster. I can say, for a fact, that the Storm is faster than the numbers listed for the 3G, Pre, and G1.I'm not saying the Storm is better. The iPhone has a LOT of things going for it, but the Storm is a popular phone on one of the nations largest carriers, and it performs well enough (now, if not when it was released) to be included in comparisons such as this.
bocafit - Sunday, January 10, 2010 - link
I think the comparison really comes down to what you're using the iPod for. It actually comes with a lot of business apps, which really wouldn't make a difference in the S.Anand Lal Shimpi - Sunday, June 21, 2009 - link
The only reason I didn't include the Storm? I don't have one :) I was a blackberry user long before the iPhone, there's a special place in my heart for them - although I think I still do favor the older blackberries thanks to their larger keyboards. I loved typing on them.Take care,
Anand
Cacolaco - Sunday, June 21, 2009 - link
That's a pretty good reason...Yeah, typing seems to a love it or hate it thing with the Storm. I love the Storm's typing, and it is more responsive than when it launched, but I don't think anything compares to a physical keyboard.
I think somebody should definitely whisper in RIM's ear to get you an updated Storm for a review!
sieistganzfett - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
You're kidding right?? I have a storm... You want a comparision? ok.. first off there is no WIFI, so no point in results there since storm 1 doesn't have wifi.v4.7.0.148 (Platform 4.0.0.181) opening different progs.. (I run the appleberry theme since it's more responsive than the storm's default theme)
Web Browser... 6 sec
Dialer......... 2 sec
Google maps.... 2 sec
Camera......... 4 sec
to take a pic with max resolution. etc. with camera... no comparison... by the time it takes a pic, what ever i was taking one of is long GONE! it takes about 3-7 sec on a GOOD DAY.. lowering resolution, etc. makes this marginally better. for it to SAVE the pic, it takes about 8 sec.
Email.......... 0.8sec
Conclusion: the phone still locks up on heavy use of email/phone, or just turns off since it can't handle heavy use... this is a hardware problem on my phone since there are some other storms that do not experience this. the new OS is faster than the original, .75 however, this is NO iphone, so don't expect it to work consistently like one. :p
Cacolaco - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
I'd say the problem that is cropping up here for the Storm is inconsistency, then, because your times for opening those apps are longer than what I've experienced across the board, with the exception of Google Maps, which your phone seems to do well with.I have been very happy with the camera on my phone. It runs circles around my wife's Flipshot, as far as responsiveness and image quality are concerned. I've had no problems with shutter delay on the highest settings (as with many cameras, the responsiveness is much better when you press half way to let the autofocus work), although video recording doesn't always stop recording as responsively as I'd like.
My web browser, and dialer launch within no more than 1 second, and the camera is ready to go within 1.5 to 2 seconds.
I should note that I am using the default theme.
I'm not trying to disclaim your numbers - I'm legitimately concerned about the fact that the Storm seems to display such a difference in application performance from phone to phone, as I personally know 2 people who aren't happy with their Storm.
And wi-fi being absent shouldn't exclude the storm. People have made such a big deal about this... Where was mms on the iPhone, or video, or flash for the camera (kudos to Apple for adding some of these, btw)? These things might not be important to you, but they are to me, much more so than wi-fi. Each of these phonse have their advantages and disadvantages, and for many, Wi-fi is no more vital than options missing on other phones.
Based on my personal experience, it is a shame that the Storm doesn't get a fair chance. (and to those who would quote sales numbers, they really have no place in a hardware/software performance comparison)
sieistganzfett - Sunday, June 21, 2009 - link
let's trade! :)witinnovation09 - Thursday, January 28, 2010 - link
The iPhone 3GS uses an ARM Cortex A8 processor running at 600MHz, faster than its older versions. This processor brings a good speed in your routine works. For instance, in an experiment with new 3GS, web pages render 128% faster than old iPhones; the clock speed boost was 45% and over all performance of 3GS found mimics to the Palm Pre. The basic application load time found ranges in between the 14 to 72% faster than the other Phones.Iphone application development
omnivector - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
The reason for that is pretty simple -- the Blackberry Storm is more or less a failure.AJRobins - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
I wouldn't call it a failure.However, the Storm is certainly lagging behind in sales. IIRC, the Storm sold around 500,000 units in the first month. The iPhone 3GS is estimated to sell around 500,000-750,000 units in the first weekend.
Tegeril - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
I'd call it a failure.iPhoneSucks - Sunday, June 21, 2009 - link
Flawed Comparison.No Nokia Phone! atleast you could include 5800XM / N97
Why there is no COST aspect (i mean both cost of ownership initially and over a period of contract)
just comparing speed and declaring it as a winner is such a low tech
well done Anand. keep it up. That's what i expect from an Indian
yeah, i am an indian too.
jaganm - Sunday, June 21, 2009 - link
Just for kicks, I did a comparison of some of the sites mentioned here on my n82 and ipod touch (running OS3.0). The Nokia takes around 4-6 times longer than the ipod to load these sites. These were all on wi-fi sitting right next to my base station.The Nokia phones have a much slower processor and their build of webkit is way slower. So, there's no point really comparing the two.
KentState - Saturday, June 20, 2009 - link
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