Very nice revie. I only read the e2200hd review bcoz i plan to buy that model once my 17" CRT goes BOOOOM. xD
Anyways, I wish you guys can review the Samsung 2233SW(which is benq's E2200's rival)(Guys, i know the samsung has no speakers and HDMI, but usually monitor speaker ain't good and you can buy HDMI>DVI converter). But im my contrie, Samsung 2233SW is steadily going up in price, so bcoz of that I'm also looking at Samsung 2033SW. I will be waiting. And you guys at anandtech ROCK!
Go for the 2233SW!! or preferably Its older bro 2243SWX which has more features and includes a DVI cable!!! Both Asus Vh226H and Benq E2200HD are gr8 monitors for price yet Image quality and colors(too unnatural Benq) leaves a lot to be desired!!!! so so......but Samsung 2233SW (reviewed by techtree and pcworld)and 2243SWX are accurate in colors!!! and have awesome IQ!!! Just it lacks HDMI input! which I dont care!! DVIs handle HD resolutions well!! of course, u have a hdmi to dvi converter!!
hi i had some trouble with the base stand too but got it finaly.
the screws holding stand are behind the small silver plastic piece where the monitors tilts, it has 4 clips on top and bottom so you should be able to remove it by squeezing the plastic from top and bottom and pulling it away from monitor if its too tight try to help it with flat screwdriver
Is it true that this display does not work good with 720p signals?
I wanted to buy this to connect also the Playstation 3 and most games are 720p (the console makes no upscaling to 1080).
I just tested connecting my laptop to a 32" Samsung 720p LCD TV through VGA. LCD TV's brightness are typically from 450nits-500nits.
It is freaking beautiful. You get all the quality panels and chipsets.
The days of monitors are over.
The best thing that I have going on in my APT is my cheap 12$ VGA clone box I got from monoprice. I currently have my 16:10 1680x1050 display cloned to my Samsung 50 inch LED DLP tv in my living room. Added in a wireless kb and mouse and I can access the same computer in my office in my living room. Ahh the beauty. EXCEPT that 1680x1050 has some weird cut offs on the DLP. With a real 1080P monitor I can clone my desktop perfectly on the tv.
I am looking for a real 1080p display for about this price as a TV, but the lack of 1080i or 720p support is kind of a deal killer.
I am just assuming 1080i isn't supported, but what do I know?
If you have a tuner/DVD player that will support 1080p output then I would love to use this screen. Pixel splitting is a pet peeve of mine and I love the crispness of a 1:1 source and display ratio.
If the last MVA panel from BenQ/AUO is any indicator, input lag should be low. I had the FP241VW with December 2007 firmware and it was 7.9ms behind a CRT, with only 5% of the time it being 2 frames behind. The other times it was only 1 frame behind, or none at all.
It's good to see that our crying over on another forum has kept BenQ and AUO from abandoning the non-TN market altogether
The only tiny issue with it was dark greys shifted more than (say) my Dell 2709W (S-PVA). Good luck with the review.
Did you check the Samsung T220P? looks that have the same specs as the Benq. Seems to be a very interesting competitor as well.
I would appreciate to read your comments about it.
Looks like that was an Asian release only? I'm not sure... spec-wise, it's actually a 1920x1200 LCD, and I haven't seen any of those in 22" trim over here in the US. Weird. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung makes the panel in the BenQ LCDs; then again, it's either Samsung, AU Optronics, or Chi-Mei so I have a 33% chance of guessing right. ;-)
Thanks :-) In Israel the Samsung T220P is available, and we belongs to Asia.
Good luck with the new president! No matter who will be I wish you the best.
[quote]We are only aware of one other 22" LCD manufacturer that offers native 1080P support (ViewSonic), and we feel this is an untapped market.[/quote]
I edited the conclusion for you - I should have known better than to make an assumption without a bit more research. Probably HP has a similar display too - or it's in the works. Obviously, where one LCD company goes plenty will follow, and if there aren't more 22" 1080P LCDs right now I expect that to change. The Dell 2209W appears to lack HDMI input, however, so that's a big advantage for the BenQ and ViewSonic options IMO.
True enough, I was surprised that they didn't have the same amount of inputs that many of their existing monitors already have.
Wasn't looking for an update to the article, just wanted to send it your way in case you were looking for more monitors to review. :) Thanks jared, good information in the review.
I know I want to step up to 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 so that means a 24" monitor. They seem to be the sweet spot right now as you can get a video card these days to run those resolutions in almost every game for a very reasonable price. However, there's no reason for me to upgrade my HD3850 until I get a bigger monitor since it runs all games just fine at 1440x900. I'm sure there are many other folks out there that are in the same boat.
Now, it's easy to figure out comparatively which video card to get by reading Anandtech and other such sites but harder to find info on 24" monitors. Not too hard to compare FPS in a certain resolution and find a video card to get the best bang for your buck. However, for a guy that is a gamer, movie watcher, internet browser, and avid Photoshop user what monitor is the best bang for the buck. I don't want to sacrifice panel speed for colors. My idea with colors and Photoshop is just get me "close enough" and I'll be happy. I'm also on a budget (that's why I'm not looking at 30" monitors). Where is the happy medium here guys? -Thanks
I have a BenQ MVA panel up next for review, along with a couple other 24" LCDs. I'm going to be very interested to see if the MVA panel can offer colors and viewing angles equal to S-PVA but with processing lag equal to S-IPS/TN. Stay tuned....
Keep in mind, that if you set 1:1 pixel mapping on your video card whether ATI or nVidia, both of these monitors will display 1:1 with black borders. 1680x1050 works perfectly as do other resolutions. To me this is the only reason you need 1:1 pixel mapping, and if the monitor supports it, it's not a big issue if it is not explicitly stated in the menus.
A PS3 is a good benchmark here, and if the monitor was set to 1:1 you would get a full screen XMB/dashboard, and most games, running at 720p would display a tiny image with large black borders elsewhere. This is why proper aspect ratio scaling is important.
Additionally, for the seldomly used 480p resolution, the monitor can simply be set to stretch to full screen so that this content is displayed at proper aspect ratio.
I would say 1:1 pixel mapping in all cases is more useful for 16:10 monitors as opposed to 16:9.
One problem I've had with TN panels is that under certain conditions in a game I've noticed a strange artifacting appear. It is most obvious under Source engine games, like Lost Coast, HL2, CS:S, but also noticeable in other games and even in movies. In the game, to reproduce it all you have to do is look at the sky and move the mouse around at varying speeds, and pay attention to the clouds. I noticed this magenta colouring appear in the silhouette of the cloud in the position it used to be, and then it will quickly disappear. Sometimes its other colours, it depends on whats being displayed. I've noticed this in movies (in the latest Bourne movie with the fight where he pistol whips the guy in the end) and in games. I think it was really bad in Quake 4, the part where you're launched into the air in a pod, and fog is rushing past, you can see a strange discolouring going on. Not sure what this is called, I haven't been able to find any info about this. I've noticed it with 3 different monitors with TN panels (a year or two ago) and since I've bought an LG panel with 5ms response time (not sure which panel) I haven't been able to reproduce it. Can anyone tell me what that artifacting is called, and do these new BenQ monitors have the same issue?
It may have simply been an issue where the transitions between colors ended up with some image persistence that looked weird. You can see in the lag/response time images that there's an afterimage on moving objects, which ends up being half way between what was there last frame and what will be there in the next frame. It's likely that in some instances the half way point looks magenta.
Some people call this "smearing", others "ghosting", or "motion blur". I call it image persistence I guess.
I think this is a little different. I've seen ghosting before, and I was under the impression that low response time monitors don't have that issue. You only see this situation occur with certain colours, otherwise its completely unnoticeable.
Whatever you choose to call it, in my experience 5ms or < = none of it. On 8ms monitors it is still noticeable. My advice when buying a monitor is to shoot for integrated no speakers, HDMI, 1080P, matte finish on the screen and bezel, and at a 2ms response time. Also, anything under 21.5" is a waste of time in my opinion. A 19" or 20" monitor will suit many people just fine. I use Samsung Monitors and I think they're fantastic. I have the 204B and the 215tw, both of which have served me well with only one dead pixel in 4 yrs. I got the 20" for gaming with a 2ms response time, and the 22" (8ms response time) because it has component jacks. The only downsides are that I bought them as HDCP and HDMI were just coming into fruition, and that the 215tw has some worthless speakers which not only contribute to a rise in the cost of the product, but the weight and size of it too.
Like i said, I've only seen this occur with 2ms panels. 2 of them were samsung (I can't remember what the models were) and another was the Viewsonic Vx922 (although there was considerably less of that happening to the VX922, a much higher end panel than the samsungs). On the LG, a 5ms panel, I haven't noticed this problem, which leads me to believe that its *not* ghosting. I've seen ghosting before. The whole screen kind of slides around, and its more obvious in darker areas. However, this only happens with certain colors, as far as I could tell, and they were all light colours.
The ms ratings of monitors is pretty often bs anyway. The overdrive required to get the fast speeds you mentioned can be done well or poorly, it sounds like the ones that had the problem were done poorly.
Regarding the lack of 1:1 mapping, it can still come in quite handy for people who sometimes play older games, which commonly supported resolutions no higher than 1280x1024. With 1:1 mapping, this would result in a very close vertical fit, as intended (albeit with the unavoidable black bars on the left and right). Having to stretch the image to what amounts to 28 pixels in each direction (up and down) will result in reduced image quality with no perceived gain in size. This won't affect all users, but it is certainly a feature which separates the quality displays from the budget models.
For 1280x720 content, scaling to fit is the obvious solution, as the aspect ratio is unchanged. That said, it's always nice to have the option. Sometimes, the pixels should only go where they're intended to be.
Agreed... which is why I list it, but at the same time it's not quite as critical as getting the AR correct with stretching (at least if the user asks for it). 1:1 is just a nice extra, which is becoming less necessary as time goes by. If it's there, though, bonus points. :)
It's not a "rip-off" - it's a choice between two compromises. If you watch a 16:9 AR movie on a 16:10 LCD, the total size of the movie will be smaller than on a 16:9 AR LCD. FWIW, I'd go for the WUXGA 24" panels in most cases as well, but there are reasons to get native 16:9 instead. Since WUXGA is not an option on any current 22" panels, you get a higher desktop resolution and 1080P support - so you win both ways. That's one reason I gave it a Bronze award.
Just for those who might be curious:
24" WUXGA = 259 in^2 screen area
24" 1080P = 246 in^2 screen area
1080P content on 24" WUXGA = 233 in^2 area
The reason people feel it's a ripoff is because it adds nothing to the value of a screen and is just a move for panel makers to reduce costs. Reduced cost is also part of the reason behind 16:10 widescreens but at least there's a benefit or reasonable tradeoff from 4:3 in terms of filling field of vision.
If 1920x1080 video content is the primary use for a display a TV would be a better purchase anyway.
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shithead3656 - Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - link
Very nice revie. I only read the e2200hd review bcoz i plan to buy that model once my 17" CRT goes BOOOOM. xDAnyways, I wish you guys can review the Samsung 2233SW(which is benq's E2200's rival)(Guys, i know the samsung has no speakers and HDMI, but usually monitor speaker ain't good and you can buy HDMI>DVI converter). But im my contrie, Samsung 2233SW is steadily going up in price, so bcoz of that I'm also looking at Samsung 2033SW. I will be waiting. And you guys at anandtech ROCK!
swordenium - Friday, May 1, 2009 - link
Go for the 2233SW!! or preferably Its older bro 2243SWX which has more features and includes a DVI cable!!! Both Asus Vh226H and Benq E2200HD are gr8 monitors for price yet Image quality and colors(too unnatural Benq) leaves a lot to be desired!!!! so so......but Samsung 2233SW (reviewed by techtree and pcworld)and 2243SWX are accurate in colors!!! and have awesome IQ!!! Just it lacks HDMI input! which I dont care!! DVIs handle HD resolutions well!! of course, u have a hdmi to dvi converter!!tofool - Monday, February 23, 2009 - link
how do you remove the base stand as pictured in the article?Jalamari - Monday, February 23, 2009 - link
hi i had some trouble with the base stand too but got it finaly.the screws holding stand are behind the small silver plastic piece where the monitors tilts, it has 4 clips on top and bottom so you should be able to remove it by squeezing the plastic from top and bottom and pulling it away from monitor if its too tight try to help it with flat screwdriver
virtuoso5 - Monday, December 1, 2008 - link
Is it true that this display does not work good with 720p signals?I wanted to buy this to connect also the Playstation 3 and most games are 720p (the console makes no upscaling to 1080).
zzzxtreme - Monday, December 1, 2008 - link
I just tested connecting my laptop to a 32" Samsung 720p LCD TV through VGA. LCD TV's brightness are typically from 450nits-500nits.It is freaking beautiful. You get all the quality panels and chipsets.
The days of monitors are over.
Benyss - Sunday, November 30, 2008 - link
Please HELP. Benq 2400HD ror PS3? Yes or No? Thanks.Tonyjr - Wednesday, November 19, 2008 - link
They further dropped the price of E2200HD for "early black friday" $209 promo code "E2200HD".Cashmoney995 - Monday, November 10, 2008 - link
The best thing that I have going on in my APT is my cheap 12$ VGA clone box I got from monoprice. I currently have my 16:10 1680x1050 display cloned to my Samsung 50 inch LED DLP tv in my living room. Added in a wireless kb and mouse and I can access the same computer in my office in my living room. Ahh the beauty. EXCEPT that 1680x1050 has some weird cut offs on the DLP. With a real 1080P monitor I can clone my desktop perfectly on the tv.nubie - Wednesday, November 5, 2008 - link
I am looking for a real 1080p display for about this price as a TV, but the lack of 1080i or 720p support is kind of a deal killer.I am just assuming 1080i isn't supported, but what do I know?
If you have a tuner/DVD player that will support 1080p output then I would love to use this screen. Pixel splitting is a pet peeve of mine and I love the crispness of a 1:1 source and display ratio.
10e - Wednesday, November 5, 2008 - link
If the last MVA panel from BenQ/AUO is any indicator, input lag should be low. I had the FP241VW with December 2007 firmware and it was 7.9ms behind a CRT, with only 5% of the time it being 2 frames behind. The other times it was only 1 frame behind, or none at all.It's good to see that our crying over on another forum has kept BenQ and AUO from abandoning the non-TN market altogether
The only tiny issue with it was dark greys shifted more than (say) my Dell 2709W (S-PVA). Good luck with the review.
Jorgerr - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
Did you check the Samsung T220P? looks that have the same specs as the Benq. Seems to be a very interesting competitor as well.I would appreciate to read your comments about it.
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
Looks like that was an Asian release only? I'm not sure... spec-wise, it's actually a 1920x1200 LCD, and I haven't seen any of those in 22" trim over here in the US. Weird. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung makes the panel in the BenQ LCDs; then again, it's either Samsung, AU Optronics, or Chi-Mei so I have a 33% chance of guessing right. ;-)Jorgerr - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
Thanks :-) In Israel the Samsung T220P is available, and we belongs to Asia.Good luck with the new president! No matter who will be I wish you the best.
NARC4457 - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
[quote]We are only aware of one other 22" LCD manufacturer that offers native 1080P support (ViewSonic), and we feel this is an untapped market.[/quote]Check out Dell's new 2209W, it is a Full HD 22" LCD
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JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
I edited the conclusion for you - I should have known better than to make an assumption without a bit more research. Probably HP has a similar display too - or it's in the works. Obviously, where one LCD company goes plenty will follow, and if there aren't more 22" 1080P LCDs right now I expect that to change. The Dell 2209W appears to lack HDMI input, however, so that's a big advantage for the BenQ and ViewSonic options IMO.NARC4457 - Wednesday, November 5, 2008 - link
True enough, I was surprised that they didn't have the same amount of inputs that many of their existing monitors already have.Wasn't looking for an update to the article, just wanted to send it your way in case you were looking for more monitors to review. :) Thanks jared, good information in the review.
strikeback03 - Wednesday, November 5, 2008 - link
Probably all use the same LCD panel - once the panel becomes available, the usual suspects will all build a display around it.Flyboy27 - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
I know I want to step up to 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 so that means a 24" monitor. They seem to be the sweet spot right now as you can get a video card these days to run those resolutions in almost every game for a very reasonable price. However, there's no reason for me to upgrade my HD3850 until I get a bigger monitor since it runs all games just fine at 1440x900. I'm sure there are many other folks out there that are in the same boat.Now, it's easy to figure out comparatively which video card to get by reading Anandtech and other such sites but harder to find info on 24" monitors. Not too hard to compare FPS in a certain resolution and find a video card to get the best bang for your buck. However, for a guy that is a gamer, movie watcher, internet browser, and avid Photoshop user what monitor is the best bang for the buck. I don't want to sacrifice panel speed for colors. My idea with colors and Photoshop is just get me "close enough" and I'll be happy. I'm also on a budget (that's why I'm not looking at 30" monitors). Where is the happy medium here guys? -Thanks
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
I have a BenQ MVA panel up next for review, along with a couple other 24" LCDs. I'm going to be very interested to see if the MVA panel can offer colors and viewing angles equal to S-PVA but with processing lag equal to S-IPS/TN. Stay tuned....10e - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
Keep in mind, that if you set 1:1 pixel mapping on your video card whether ATI or nVidia, both of these monitors will display 1:1 with black borders. 1680x1050 works perfectly as do other resolutions. To me this is the only reason you need 1:1 pixel mapping, and if the monitor supports it, it's not a big issue if it is not explicitly stated in the menus.A PS3 is a good benchmark here, and if the monitor was set to 1:1 you would get a full screen XMB/dashboard, and most games, running at 720p would display a tiny image with large black borders elsewhere. This is why proper aspect ratio scaling is important.
Additionally, for the seldomly used 480p resolution, the monitor can simply be set to stretch to full screen so that this content is displayed at proper aspect ratio.
I would say 1:1 pixel mapping in all cases is more useful for 16:10 monitors as opposed to 16:9.
wicko - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
One problem I've had with TN panels is that under certain conditions in a game I've noticed a strange artifacting appear. It is most obvious under Source engine games, like Lost Coast, HL2, CS:S, but also noticeable in other games and even in movies. In the game, to reproduce it all you have to do is look at the sky and move the mouse around at varying speeds, and pay attention to the clouds. I noticed this magenta colouring appear in the silhouette of the cloud in the position it used to be, and then it will quickly disappear. Sometimes its other colours, it depends on whats being displayed. I've noticed this in movies (in the latest Bourne movie with the fight where he pistol whips the guy in the end) and in games. I think it was really bad in Quake 4, the part where you're launched into the air in a pod, and fog is rushing past, you can see a strange discolouring going on. Not sure what this is called, I haven't been able to find any info about this. I've noticed it with 3 different monitors with TN panels (a year or two ago) and since I've bought an LG panel with 5ms response time (not sure which panel) I haven't been able to reproduce it. Can anyone tell me what that artifacting is called, and do these new BenQ monitors have the same issue?JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
It may have simply been an issue where the transitions between colors ended up with some image persistence that looked weird. You can see in the lag/response time images that there's an afterimage on moving objects, which ends up being half way between what was there last frame and what will be there in the next frame. It's likely that in some instances the half way point looks magenta.Some people call this "smearing", others "ghosting", or "motion blur". I call it image persistence I guess.
wicko - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
I think this is a little different. I've seen ghosting before, and I was under the impression that low response time monitors don't have that issue. You only see this situation occur with certain colours, otherwise its completely unnoticeable.JonnyDough - Wednesday, November 5, 2008 - link
Whatever you choose to call it, in my experience 5ms or < = none of it. On 8ms monitors it is still noticeable. My advice when buying a monitor is to shoot for integrated no speakers, HDMI, 1080P, matte finish on the screen and bezel, and at a 2ms response time. Also, anything under 21.5" is a waste of time in my opinion. A 19" or 20" monitor will suit many people just fine. I use Samsung Monitors and I think they're fantastic. I have the 204B and the 215tw, both of which have served me well with only one dead pixel in 4 yrs. I got the 20" for gaming with a 2ms response time, and the 22" (8ms response time) because it has component jacks. The only downsides are that I bought them as HDCP and HDMI were just coming into fruition, and that the 215tw has some worthless speakers which not only contribute to a rise in the cost of the product, but the weight and size of it too.wicko - Wednesday, November 5, 2008 - link
Like i said, I've only seen this occur with 2ms panels. 2 of them were samsung (I can't remember what the models were) and another was the Viewsonic Vx922 (although there was considerably less of that happening to the VX922, a much higher end panel than the samsungs). On the LG, a 5ms panel, I haven't noticed this problem, which leads me to believe that its *not* ghosting. I've seen ghosting before. The whole screen kind of slides around, and its more obvious in darker areas. However, this only happens with certain colors, as far as I could tell, and they were all light colours.MadMan007 - Wednesday, November 5, 2008 - link
The ms ratings of monitors is pretty often bs anyway. The overdrive required to get the fast speeds you mentioned can be done well or poorly, it sounds like the ones that had the problem were done poorly.Gizmonty - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
I bought an E2400HD about a month ago (in Australia) and it came with a DVI cable as well as a VGA cable. I've been very happy with it.Slash3 - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
Regarding the lack of 1:1 mapping, it can still come in quite handy for people who sometimes play older games, which commonly supported resolutions no higher than 1280x1024. With 1:1 mapping, this would result in a very close vertical fit, as intended (albeit with the unavoidable black bars on the left and right). Having to stretch the image to what amounts to 28 pixels in each direction (up and down) will result in reduced image quality with no perceived gain in size. This won't affect all users, but it is certainly a feature which separates the quality displays from the budget models.For 1280x720 content, scaling to fit is the obvious solution, as the aspect ratio is unchanged. That said, it's always nice to have the option. Sometimes, the pixels should only go where they're intended to be.
JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
Agreed... which is why I list it, but at the same time it's not quite as critical as getting the AR correct with stretching (at least if the user asks for it). 1:1 is just a nice extra, which is becoming less necessary as time goes by. If it's there, though, bonus points. :)Meaker10 - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
It's not having black bars or not, it's having black bars or no screen at all, I would rather have the black bars and the extra desktop space thanks.JarredWalton - Tuesday, November 4, 2008 - link
It's not a "rip-off" - it's a choice between two compromises. If you watch a 16:9 AR movie on a 16:10 LCD, the total size of the movie will be smaller than on a 16:9 AR LCD. FWIW, I'd go for the WUXGA 24" panels in most cases as well, but there are reasons to get native 16:9 instead. Since WUXGA is not an option on any current 22" panels, you get a higher desktop resolution and 1080P support - so you win both ways. That's one reason I gave it a Bronze award.Just for those who might be curious:
24" WUXGA = 259 in^2 screen area
24" 1080P = 246 in^2 screen area
1080P content on 24" WUXGA = 233 in^2 area
MadMan007 - Wednesday, November 5, 2008 - link
Lenovo makes a 22" WUXGA monitor.The reason people feel it's a ripoff is because it adds nothing to the value of a screen and is just a move for panel makers to reduce costs. Reduced cost is also part of the reason behind 16:10 widescreens but at least there's a benefit or reasonable tradeoff from 4:3 in terms of filling field of vision.
If 1920x1080 video content is the primary use for a display a TV would be a better purchase anyway.