I'm going to personally give some IF member a beating if they miss the opportunity for a USB5 240! naming/logo scheme for connectors that do 240gbps w/240W charging.
Honestly, I'm a little worried why Intel is being so coy with the name, only referring to it as Next-Gen Thunderbolt instead of just, you know, Thunderbolt 5. It makes me feel like Intel will follow in the HDMI/USB/DisplayPort footsteps, and call it Thunderbolt 4 v2 Gen 1 Super Ti XT Edition lol
(Apple's Lightning port is great, but it should have been USB 3.0 spec. USB-C is fine, but as a baseline minimum they should have gone with USB 3.0 as well. USB-4 could have raised the bar for all devices, bringing TB3 protocol for eGPU solution, and also giving them proper Video Out with a HDMI 2.1 spec. Whilst TB4 and TB5 get absorbed into USB-consortium and become USB 4.1 and USB 4.2 respectively. That's the timeline my doppleganger came from, and he says the weather's much nicer too.)
USB-C (I guess you meant 3.1 and up) is better for charging than 3.0 though. (Besides, the typical USB-A port connection for USB 3.0 is too big for mobile. Worse comes to worse, just get a USB-C to USB-A connector.)
USB4/TB3 is a little more expensive at the moment and a little too security prone IIRC. (MS didn't bother with it for their Surface Tablets. Apple did though with their iPad Pros, but I guess they didn't see the issue. Weird.)
I know ESD damage is something that's blown a bit out of proportions, but seeing the first image in the article is a motherboard sitting atop fabric and bubble wrap was quite amusing.
There is such a thing as anti-static bubble wrap, which is usually a very slight pink in color. Hopefully the bubble wrap shown is of the anti-static variety. I expect so.
I'm hoping Arc integrates a 4 port thunderbolt controller for display out and/or IO- a PCIe 5.0x16 connection for both GPU and thunderbolt should be fine, and would give Arc a unique use case.
That would be a really fascinating setup to have, and it could easily be positioned as a good value add. It will be interesting to see where the Thunderbolt controller ends up with MTL when Intel moves to tiles. I think that would dictate the feasibility of adding it into the GPU for desktop users.
It's not that DP 2.1 uses more than 80Gbps. It's leaving enough bandwidth so that you can drive an 80Gbps display and still have something leftover for anything else (storage, Ethernet, etc).
I think iGPUs are going to benefit most from this in the future. The iGPU on Arrow Lake or Luna Lake could come with support for 4x Thunderbolt 5 ports.
Intel’s dGPUs should really support Thunderbolt ports. Apple is making better use of Thunderbolt on the Mac Pro (cheese grater)
Can i just use USB4 for Networks already. I'm sick of this Ethernet backwards garbage. It took what? 10 years for them to double (2.5) and the price is also double. At least for the adapter, a switch, 5-10 times the price. Is this progress really? Just let me plug some 20/40/80 Gbps usb-c cables in a USB hub and that's my Network..
Amen, I was disappointed when Firewire networking lost support (the issue there probably being DMA attacks, but also the expense of the controller chips). USB has some of the same issues, but by now IOMMUs are more of a thing. Still, be sure to keep your chipset drivers up to date, as they probably include the USB controller.
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StormyParis - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
... but is it on USB 4 v2 gen 1.2 rev A 2x2 with PD+DP or on USB 4 v2 gen b straight ?meacupla - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
Thankfully, USBIF fixed that poor naming scheme... mostly anyways.It's now a USB 80Gbps 240W cable.
DougMcC - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
I'm going to personally give some IF member a beating if they miss the opportunity for a USB5 240! naming/logo scheme for connectors that do 240gbps w/240W charging.jakeinspace - Saturday, January 14, 2023 - link
Skip 240W, lets do 240V! Plug your oven straight into a USB5 240 and achieve maximum cookie throughput.NextGen_Gamer - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
Honestly, I'm a little worried why Intel is being so coy with the name, only referring to it as Next-Gen Thunderbolt instead of just, you know, Thunderbolt 5. It makes me feel like Intel will follow in the HDMI/USB/DisplayPort footsteps, and call it Thunderbolt 4 v2 Gen 1 Super Ti XT Edition lolExotica - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
Maybe they don’t have a trademark yet.Kangal - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
This is clearly the darkest timeline.(Apple's Lightning port is great, but it should have been USB 3.0 spec. USB-C is fine, but as a baseline minimum they should have gone with USB 3.0 as well. USB-4 could have raised the bar for all devices, bringing TB3 protocol for eGPU solution, and also giving them proper Video Out with a HDMI 2.1 spec. Whilst TB4 and TB5 get absorbed into USB-consortium and become USB 4.1 and USB 4.2 respectively. That's the timeline my doppleganger came from, and he says the weather's much nicer too.)
mganai - Friday, October 21, 2022 - link
USB-C (I guess you meant 3.1 and up) is better for charging than 3.0 though. (Besides, the typical USB-A port connection for USB 3.0 is too big for mobile. Worse comes to worse, just get a USB-C to USB-A connector.)USB4/TB3 is a little more expensive at the moment and a little too security prone IIRC. (MS didn't bother with it for their Surface Tablets. Apple did though with their iPad Pros, but I guess they didn't see the issue. Weird.)
PeachNCream - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
I know ESD damage is something that's blown a bit out of proportions, but seeing the first image in the article is a motherboard sitting atop fabric and bubble wrap was quite amusing.dwbogardus - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
There is such a thing as anti-static bubble wrap, which is usually a very slight pink in color. Hopefully the bubble wrap shown is of the anti-static variety. I expect so.onewingedangel - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
I'm hoping Arc integrates a 4 port thunderbolt controller for display out and/or IO- a PCIe 5.0x16 connection for both GPU and thunderbolt should be fine, and would give Arc a unique use case.thestryker - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
That would be a really fascinating setup to have, and it could easily be positioned as a good value add. It will be interesting to see where the Thunderbolt controller ends up with MTL when Intel moves to tiles. I think that would dictate the feasibility of adding it into the GPU for desktop users.nandnandnand - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
Arc is on life support, sorry.nandnandnand - Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - link
What is the "video intensive usage" that needs 120 Gbps? Is there going to be a new HDMI or DisplayPort 2.2 that uses more than 80 Gbps?Ryan Smith - Thursday, October 20, 2022 - link
It's not that DP 2.1 uses more than 80Gbps. It's leaving enough bandwidth so that you can drive an 80Gbps display and still have something leftover for anything else (storage, Ethernet, etc).KimGitz - Thursday, October 20, 2022 - link
120/40 is good for eGPUs (80Video+40data)/40dataI think iGPUs are going to benefit most from this in the future. The iGPU on Arrow Lake or Luna Lake could come with support for 4x Thunderbolt 5 ports.
Intel’s dGPUs should really support Thunderbolt ports. Apple is making better use of Thunderbolt on the Mac Pro (cheese grater)
toke - Thursday, October 20, 2022 - link
Most important info for me would be:If I buy ”USB80”-cable, will it work as a TB3-cable with macs?
DARBYOTHRULL - Thursday, October 20, 2022 - link
It will13Gigatons - Sunday, October 30, 2022 - link
Thank God they finally came to their senses. USB80 is way better!!!!brunis.dk - Tuesday, November 8, 2022 - link
Can i just use USB4 for Networks already. I'm sick of this Ethernet backwards garbage. It took what? 10 years for them to double (2.5) and the price is also double. At least for the adapter, a switch, 5-10 times the price. Is this progress really? Just let me plug some 20/40/80 Gbps usb-c cables in a USB hub and that's my Network..GreenReaper - Monday, November 14, 2022 - link
Amen, I was disappointed when Firewire networking lost support (the issue there probably being DMA attacks, but also the expense of the controller chips). USB has some of the same issues, but by now IOMMUs are more of a thing. Still, be sure to keep your chipset drivers up to date, as they probably include the USB controller.