There is DG1, which exists (mostly for OEMs). Based on a comment from Ian in a past article on the DG1, it is different silicon, and not merely a harvested Tiger Lake SoC (which I thought it could be).
So Intel does technically have one new bit of GPU silicon out there.
So in HPC Intel is right now on 5nm TSMC for compute tiles. Better than competition. No surprise the performance is very high !! they are one or two years ahead Nvidia and Amd. The latter Companies have to adopt the Intel strategy, because actual one is a loser, hardly we will see a big GPU on 5nm only before two years from now. Intel will go fast on 3nm compute tiles in this timeframe. Too bad only Intel have some package techniques at a reasonable price.
You actually believe anything that Intel claims about performance of new products? Intel has continually lied about performance uplift of products for the past five years now. yea, Intel 10nm was on track in Q4 of 2015, people believed that. Intel claimed that Rocket Lake was supposed to be a 19% IPC improvement over Comet Lake(10th gen), but testing showed it was a 9% average IPC improvement, but true real-world testing showed that Rocket Lake wasn't really any faster. It goes on and on, Intel making claims about improvements that true third party testing shows is either overstated, or just nonsense.
Then, Intel was talking about how it's 10nm(now called Intel 7) and people claiming it is on par with TSMC 7nm...so why would Alder Lake Big.little take more power than the Ryzen 5950x?
Don't believe ANYTHING about Intel products until independent testing shows what is really going on. Even if Intel "launches" Alder Lake in November, it may not have availability until February...because Intel continually lies to try to keep its stock from crashing.
Targon, ignore gondaft, he loves intel to no end, and constantly shills for them. makes claims, and doesnt back it with with anything. just ignore him.
Why discuss developing hardware for h264 and VP9 encoding? They are obsolete. Should focus on HEVC or present/future standards that are at least as good.
Google and other streamers won't touch HEVC due to the messy IP situation around h.265; VP9 is reasonably close in compression efficiency, supported by pretty much any SoC currently used in mobile devices and/or GPUs. AV1 adoption is still hampered by lack of hardware-supported decoding, but AV1 is probably next on their (Google's) list.
Too bad this piece of encoding hardware is likely never gonna be available to the average user. With the very realisticly despribed increase in encoding complexity, high efficiency compression is more and more about to turn into pro only field.
Even a radically stripped down version with just one of these encoding blocks would possibly benefit many users. Just think of all the phone videos taken all the time, which could be compressed to something around half the size. Not even considering AV1 I mean.
Don't forget that most GPUs including Intel integrated ones have video encoding hardware. Sure, not as advanced, but it's for consumers after all. We can expect all new GPUs will come with VP1 in next gen. Likewise, a lot of dedicated video & image processing is embedded in mobile SoCs, so they too will eventually get there. I cheer for AV1 due to promise of less licensing issues, so we can hope for it in a year or two
You can't compare the current built-in IPs with this. The encoding blocks from Nvidia seem to perform best, and even these only reach the compression efficiency of previous gen software encoding. Everything else is only good for low quality, low resolution live streaming. Nothing you could consider efficient compression.
So as it stands, high efficiency compression on current codecs is possible in software, but dead slow. Compression on future codecs will most likely be impossible for consumers. We can only hope that at some point google or some other company will release such a hardware in a cut down version.
I'm lazy to search for article, but they are indeed developing new encoding hardware. But what was in the talk is just being deployed to their worldwide datacenters, well, may be close to finishing deployment by now, and they obviously want to boast about it. Similar how AMD talk was about current gen (boring right?) instead what's coming.
Quote: "some analysts believe that the technology giant could have replaced 33-40 million Intel CPUs with its own VCU" Quote: "Google is already developing a second-generation VCU that supports AV1, H.264 and VP9 codecs because it needs to improve the efficiency of its encoding technology. It is not clear when Google will deploy the new VCU, but it is clear that the company wants to use its own processors as much as possible instead of general-purpose processors." (story I read month or two ago went more in depth)
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dwillmore - Tuesday, August 24, 2021 - link
500x their best GPU? So, the i740? Hasn't everything since then been an IGP?jeremyshaw - Tuesday, August 24, 2021 - link
There is DG1, which exists (mostly for OEMs). Based on a comment from Ian in a past article on the DG1, it is different silicon, and not merely a harvested Tiger Lake SoC (which I thought it could be).So Intel does technically have one new bit of GPU silicon out there.
Gondalf - Wednesday, August 25, 2021 - link
So in HPC Intel is right now on 5nm TSMC for compute tiles.Better than competition. No surprise the performance is very high !! they are one or two years ahead Nvidia and Amd. The latter Companies have to adopt the Intel strategy, because actual one is a loser, hardly we will see a big GPU on 5nm only before two years from now. Intel will go fast on 3nm compute tiles in this timeframe.
Too bad only Intel have some package techniques at a reasonable price.
Targon - Wednesday, August 25, 2021 - link
You actually believe anything that Intel claims about performance of new products? Intel has continually lied about performance uplift of products for the past five years now. yea, Intel 10nm was on track in Q4 of 2015, people believed that. Intel claimed that Rocket Lake was supposed to be a 19% IPC improvement over Comet Lake(10th gen), but testing showed it was a 9% average IPC improvement, but true real-world testing showed that Rocket Lake wasn't really any faster. It goes on and on, Intel making claims about improvements that true third party testing shows is either overstated, or just nonsense.Then, Intel was talking about how it's 10nm(now called Intel 7) and people claiming it is on par with TSMC 7nm...so why would Alder Lake Big.little take more power than the Ryzen 5950x?
Don't believe ANYTHING about Intel products until independent testing shows what is really going on. Even if Intel "launches" Alder Lake in November, it may not have availability until February...because Intel continually lies to try to keep its stock from crashing.
Qasar - Wednesday, August 25, 2021 - link
Targon, ignore gondaft, he loves intel to no end, and constantly shills for them. makes claims, and doesnt back it with with anything. just ignore him.CSMR - Wednesday, August 25, 2021 - link
Why discuss developing hardware for h264 and VP9 encoding? They are obsolete. Should focus on HEVC or present/future standards that are at least as good.eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, August 25, 2021 - link
Google and other streamers won't touch HEVC due to the messy IP situation around h.265; VP9 is reasonably close in compression efficiency, supported by pretty much any SoC currently used in mobile devices and/or GPUs. AV1 adoption is still hampered by lack of hardware-supported decoding, but AV1 is probably next on their (Google's) list.ifThenError - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link
Too bad this piece of encoding hardware is likely never gonna be available to the average user. With the very realisticly despribed increase in encoding complexity, high efficiency compression is more and more about to turn into pro only field.Even a radically stripped down version with just one of these encoding blocks would possibly benefit many users. Just think of all the phone videos taken all the time, which could be compressed to something around half the size. Not even considering AV1 I mean.
LuxZg - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link
Don't forget that most GPUs including Intel integrated ones have video encoding hardware. Sure, not as advanced, but it's for consumers after all. We can expect all new GPUs will come with VP1 in next gen. Likewise, a lot of dedicated video & image processing is embedded in mobile SoCs, so they too will eventually get there. I cheer for AV1 due to promise of less licensing issues, so we can hope for it in a year or twoifThenError - Friday, August 27, 2021 - link
You can't compare the current built-in IPs with this. The encoding blocks from Nvidia seem to perform best, and even these only reach the compression efficiency of previous gen software encoding. Everything else is only good for low quality, low resolution live streaming. Nothing you could consider efficient compression.There are FPGA based solutions like https://www.fpganic.com/applications/video-transco... , but again these are not available to consumers, and would probably cost an arm and a leg.
So as it stands, high efficiency compression on current codecs is possible in software, but dead slow. Compression on future codecs will most likely be impossible for consumers. We can only hope that at some point google or some other company will release such a hardware in a cut down version.
LuxZg - Thursday, August 26, 2021 - link
I'm lazy to search for article, but they are indeed developing new encoding hardware. But what was in the talk is just being deployed to their worldwide datacenters, well, may be close to finishing deployment by now, and they obviously want to boast about it. Similar how AMD talk was about current gen (boring right?) instead what's coming.First link I found right now:
https://min.news/en/tech/0144abd409e80e9edfdcc3aa4...
Quote: "some analysts believe that the technology giant could have replaced 33-40 million Intel CPUs with its own VCU"
Quote: "Google is already developing a second-generation VCU that supports AV1, H.264 and VP9 codecs because it needs to improve the efficiency of its encoding technology. It is not clear when Google will deploy the new VCU, but it is clear that the company wants to use its own processors as much as possible instead of general-purpose processors."
(story I read month or two ago went more in depth)
Zoomer - Tuesday, September 7, 2021 - link
It's pretty clear fixed function or more specialized processors will be much more efficient at 1 task than a GP CPU.