I hope these are better than the 16GB version. I bought two a few weeks ago from Newegg. One was bad. They took it back and sent another. It was bad. That’s two out of three. When I called, I was concerned at how much bad luck I might have had, so I asked how many had been returned because they didn’t work. I was told that other than the bad one I still had, 12 were returned that MONTH because they were bad.
Well, that was way too much. So I’ve returned the new bad one and the good one, which was beyond their normal return period . They took them both back. I’m now waiting for them to get them and confirm my refund on the bad one, and store credit on the good one. The person I spoke to understood that I didn’t want to trust that good drive, particularly in a raid.
I’ll have to decide what drives to get as replacements. Any suggestions as to a reliable 16GB 7300 rpm drive? Right now, I’m too exhausted to think about it.
you really only have 3 options, Seagate, WD/HGST, and Toshiba, you might want to look at WD/HGST's 16TB ultrastar or the toshiba MG series. Other than those, i don't think any other options exist.
The only WD products worth considering are those with Hitachi DNA in them. The coolspin-based WD Red's and anything He6-based is incredibly reliable. WD 2.5" drives are abysmal and their marketing with 3.5" drives makes it nearly impossible to know if you are getting SMR-recording drives or not before you install the drive and check the firmware.
You are a jerk. Ok, a typo, that I missed. Wow! It changes everything I said, and nobody understood what I meant, except for the stable genius, who is you.
Welcome to the world of autocorrection. Youre about 10 years late to still cry about spelling mistakes and typos on Internet comments. You do know what people like you are called, though, right?
With regard to failure rates: I would say this is par for spinning hard drives. It’s a lower profit commoditized product, that is sensitive to drops and vibration. While I doubt they leave the facility bad then don’t make it to your door working quite often unless you purchase quantity.
That first week of burn-in on a drive will determine if you’ve got a premature mortality on your hands.
I see the same problems with all the brands, higher failure reporting from seagate and typically a better type of final failure, at least in our use case.
I’ve never gotten a DOA drive in all the decades I’ve been buying drives. It was a surprise. To get two out of three wasn't encouraging. I imagine that there was a bad batch. But it just makes the whole thing unnerving. I’ve had drives work for a few months and die. Most last years, but I change them out after three years anyway.
This is why I norm split the purchases between company's (in your case 2 from one place and 2 from Another so can keep raid6 happy) sounds like you was going to be using RAID1
But on that note 16TB disks I would strongly recommend using 4 disks in raid6+1 hotspare to auto rebuild in the event of a predicted failure or flat out disk fail as its going to take sometime to rebuild a 16TB disk (really any disk bigger then 1TB should be using RAID6)
Raid is not a backup so you should have a similar setup just in case as it's a lot of data to go puff
I don't have good experience with seagate from earlier, but it was that much cheaper that I had to try it. I once lost 16 seagate drives in one server.
Good grief! I mean I suppose that's a fair argument, but you can also buy professional workstation GPUs from Amazon so are those consumer graphics adapters at Anandtech recommends for gaming? I'd suggest that it may be better to align consumer recommendations with products the manufacturers market at consumer segments rather than what you can get Amazon to conjure up at your front porch.
I think the reason these show up is that they are competitively priced against the consumer drives and have much better warranties. As a consumer I'd want to know I could get enterprise grade storage for the same price with better support.
How Seagate markets the drives does not matter much to me.
Better warranty support and price per capacity are both perfectly valid reasons to make an enterprise drive purchase as a consumer. I would not begin to refute that because it's a totally sensible thought process with which I agree completely.
However, I disagree that enterprise hardware should be presented in the periodic article that makes consumer drive recommendations which is what I was alluding to previously. In fact, in recent consumer hard drive recommendation articles, most of the drives recommended were not consumer targeted hard disks so the title simply doesn't align with the contents. Why not strip out the word "consumer" from the title and just recommend mechanical hard drives or run two articles wherein one covers consumer targeted products and the other captures enterprise equipment? Either option would make more sense and neither would call into question the value or rationality of individual purchasing preferences.
So you see, it's got everything to do with article title versus content and nothing at all to do with the thought process behind an individual's personal preference when shopping for and purchasing computer components.
While I get your concern, I just don't think it's an important distinction to make. If you are a consumer right now, these are the drives you should be getting. If it's a consumer targeted article they should be pointing it out.
If these drives were somehow more complicated to use, or more difficult to warranty or performed in unexpected ways, sure, I get your point. But there is literally no reason a consumer should be passing these over at this time, and as a consumer I would prefer to know this is an option and that it is a better value.
Again, as a consumer, Seagate's marketing practices are completely irrelevant to me. I just want to know what the best deal for my money is. And these are at the moment the best deal.
That's cool. I just think that it would work out better to omit one word - consumer - from the consumer hard drive recommendations article. For someone that doesn't care about the distinction at all, the omission should hardly matter to you and for others like me that find the mismatch strange, it would actually be somewhat helpful.
Gave up on Seagate a long time ago. I've got four 10TB HGST enterprise drives in my home server. They were quite expensive when i got them in 2017. Worth it.
Right - but I was referring to the launch day itself, supply/demand issues, partner cards, etc. Seemed pretty newsworthy to me. Guess I'll just have to start my own competing website with a comment section with and edit button. XD
It's interesting how the storage duopoly trades preferential blows among us end-users every decade. During the 90's into the 7200.7's Seagate was the preferred drive, then WD came around and outperformed them in reliability and niche products (like the Raptor) then Hitachi pretty much made both of them irrelevent for a short time before WD bought them and became the preferred brand again, and now with WD's unorthodox SMR practices, anti-shucking efforts, and declining reliability compared to MODERN Seagate... (because hey, a decade ago we all realize Seagate dependability was a joke.)
Regarding HDD damaged due to transport, I'd recommend to buy HDD from your local store. Ask them to price match or even extra $5 - 10. They bought in bulk, comes in original tray packaging. So it is more secure.
My local store told me once they went to pickup parcel from a depot. They saw ppl at depot threw parcels from trucks to floor. They were shocked and change courier services after that. So your small parcel may be treated that way. Padon mE engrish if any typO err, XD
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melgross - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
I hope these are better than the 16GB version. I bought two a few weeks ago from Newegg. One was bad. They took it back and sent another. It was bad. That’s two out of three. When I called, I was concerned at how much bad luck I might have had, so I asked how many had been returned because they didn’t work. I was told that other than the bad one I still had, 12 were returned that MONTH because they were bad.Well, that was way too much. So I’ve returned the new bad one and the good one, which was beyond their normal return period . They took them both back. I’m now waiting for them to get them and confirm my refund on the bad one, and store credit on the good one. The person I spoke to understood that I didn’t want to trust that good drive, particularly in a raid.
I’ll have to decide what drives to get as replacements. Any suggestions as to a reliable 16GB 7300 rpm drive? Right now, I’m too exhausted to think about it.
firewrath9 - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
you really only have 3 options, Seagate, WD/HGST, and Toshiba, you might want to look at WD/HGST's 16TB ultrastar or the toshiba MG series. Other than those, i don't think any other options exist.Samus - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
The only WD products worth considering are those with Hitachi DNA in them. The coolspin-based WD Red's and anything He6-based is incredibly reliable. WD 2.5" drives are abysmal and their marketing with 3.5" drives makes it nearly impossible to know if you are getting SMR-recording drives or not before you install the drive and check the firmware.ravib123 - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
16GB? 7300 RPM? Not to be a jerk, but is this a total joke or did you actually not check what you write before you click submit?melgross - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
You are a jerk. Ok, a typo, that I missed. Wow! It changes everything I said, and nobody understood what I meant, except for the stable genius, who is you.JessusX - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
I don't think you can call it a typo, when you did it twice. And you called a RAID a raid...not to be a jerk.MrVibrato - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
Ah, milking the typos for all they're worth...Beaver M. - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
Welcome to the world of autocorrection. Youre about 10 years late to still cry about spelling mistakes and typos on Internet comments. You do know what people like you are called, though, right?heffeque - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
I must be big brain. I understood everything you wrote, melgross.Don't let bitter people mess with your spirit ;-)
RealBeast - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
Agreed heffeque, but just imagine if the comments had an edit function. ;)Arbie - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
"Not to be a jerk"? With a nasty comment like that, on a trivial typo? Is this forum your bathroom?ravib123 - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
With regard to failure rates:I would say this is par for spinning hard drives. It’s a lower profit commoditized product, that is sensitive to drops and vibration. While I doubt they leave the facility bad then don’t make it to your door working quite often unless you purchase quantity.
That first week of burn-in on a drive will determine if you’ve got a premature mortality on your hands.
I see the same problems with all the brands, higher failure reporting from seagate and typically a better type of final failure, at least in our use case.
melgross - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
I’ve never gotten a DOA drive in all the decades I’ve been buying drives. It was a surprise. To get two out of three wasn't encouraging. I imagine that there was a bad batch. But it just makes the whole thing unnerving. I’ve had drives work for a few months and die. Most last years, but I change them out after three years anyway.leexgx - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
This is why I norm split the purchases between company's (in your case 2 from one place and 2 from Another so can keep raid6 happy) sounds like you was going to be using RAID1But on that note 16TB disks I would strongly recommend using 4 disks in raid6+1 hotspare to auto rebuild in the event of a predicted failure or flat out disk fail as its going to take sometime to rebuild a 16TB disk (really any disk bigger then 1TB should be using RAID6)
Raid is not a backup so you should have a similar setup just in case as it's a lot of data to go puff
ravib123 - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
ouch, I used to do that but the performance metrics between vendors for the pout poses if raid are quite different.edwardhchan - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
Ouch... I ordered 3 12tb Exos X16 drives and all 3 were fine from Newegg last month so there's that.and 16GB 7300RPM?? You are exhausted! LOL
Beaver M. - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
And here we thought Seagate HDDs would have become more reliable.Thank god I bought a 12 TB HGST, because I almost bought a Seagate one.
JKJK - Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - link
I have 11 of the 16TB version, and they've been running fine for the last couple of months. Yes, it's too early to tell, but I hope they last.JKJK - Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - link
I don't have good experience with seagate from earlier, but it was that much cheaper that I had to try it. I once lost 16 seagate drives in one server.Zan Lynx - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
Drive damage during shipping or infant mortality are both problems you can't avoid.I received a couple of bad 15K Seagate SCSI disks one time. This was quite a while ago, they were 36 GB models.
Stuff happens. It doesn't mean all of those drive models are defective.
melgross - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
No, but possibly the ones that Newegg has are problematic. Why take a chance?PeachNCream - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
I'm eager to see these models featured in the next Anandtech "consumer" hard drive recommendation article!ganeshts - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
If you can buy it on Amazon or Newegg, and it works on consumer equipment -> it is a 'consumer' hard drive :)PeachNCream - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
Good grief! I mean I suppose that's a fair argument, but you can also buy professional workstation GPUs from Amazon so are those consumer graphics adapters at Anandtech recommends for gaming? I'd suggest that it may be better to align consumer recommendations with products the manufacturers market at consumer segments rather than what you can get Amazon to conjure up at your front porch.Reflex - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
I think the reason these show up is that they are competitively priced against the consumer drives and have much better warranties. As a consumer I'd want to know I could get enterprise grade storage for the same price with better support.How Seagate markets the drives does not matter much to me.
PeachNCream - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
Better warranty support and price per capacity are both perfectly valid reasons to make an enterprise drive purchase as a consumer. I would not begin to refute that because it's a totally sensible thought process with which I agree completely.However, I disagree that enterprise hardware should be presented in the periodic article that makes consumer drive recommendations which is what I was alluding to previously. In fact, in recent consumer hard drive recommendation articles, most of the drives recommended were not consumer targeted hard disks so the title simply doesn't align with the contents. Why not strip out the word "consumer" from the title and just recommend mechanical hard drives or run two articles wherein one covers consumer targeted products and the other captures enterprise equipment? Either option would make more sense and neither would call into question the value or rationality of individual purchasing preferences.
So you see, it's got everything to do with article title versus content and nothing at all to do with the thought process behind an individual's personal preference when shopping for and purchasing computer components.
Reflex - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
While I get your concern, I just don't think it's an important distinction to make. If you are a consumer right now, these are the drives you should be getting. If it's a consumer targeted article they should be pointing it out.If these drives were somehow more complicated to use, or more difficult to warranty or performed in unexpected ways, sure, I get your point. But there is literally no reason a consumer should be passing these over at this time, and as a consumer I would prefer to know this is an option and that it is a better value.
Again, as a consumer, Seagate's marketing practices are completely irrelevant to me. I just want to know what the best deal for my money is. And these are at the moment the best deal.
PeachNCream - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
That's cool. I just think that it would work out better to omit one word - consumer - from the consumer hard drive recommendations article. For someone that doesn't care about the distinction at all, the omission should hardly matter to you and for others like me that find the mismatch strange, it would actually be somewhat helpful.bigboxes - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
Gave up on Seagate a long time ago. I've got four 10TB HGST enterprise drives in my home server. They were quite expensive when i got them in 2017. Worth it.ravib123 - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
HGST has good running numbers, we’ve got a lot out in the field.nathanddrews - Thursday, September 17, 2020 - link
Just curious - is AT going to acknowledge that the RTX 3080 exists?artifex - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16057/nvidia-announ...Dated September 1st.
nathanddrews - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
Right - but I was referring to the launch day itself, supply/demand issues, partner cards, etc. Seemed pretty newsworthy to me. Guess I'll just have to start my own competing website with a comment section with and edit button. XDshabby - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
Ian mentioned Ryan has been dealing with West Coast fires and a delayed test bed.nathanddrews - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
Ah, that sucks for him! No rush, we can't buy them anyway yet.Samus - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
It's interesting how the storage duopoly trades preferential blows among us end-users every decade. During the 90's into the 7200.7's Seagate was the preferred drive, then WD came around and outperformed them in reliability and niche products (like the Raptor) then Hitachi pretty much made both of them irrelevent for a short time before WD bought them and became the preferred brand again, and now with WD's unorthodox SMR practices, anti-shucking efforts, and declining reliability compared to MODERN Seagate... (because hey, a decade ago we all realize Seagate dependability was a joke.)mugen10 - Friday, September 18, 2020 - link
Regarding HDD damaged due to transport, I'd recommend to buy HDD from your local store. Ask them to price match or even extra $5 - 10. They bought in bulk, comes in original tray packaging. So it is more secure.My local store told me once they went to pickup parcel from a depot. They saw ppl at depot threw parcels from trucks to floor. They were shocked and change courier services after that. So your small parcel may be treated that way.
Padon mE engrish if any typO err, XD