it looks good. I hope Samsung does much better with Camera Software this time around. Hardware itself is top notch. I hope to see the 50mp module mentioned few months back instead of the 108mp one.
Great phones but in a world of superb $400 budget phones, I'm not sure there'll be many takers for $1100 phones. I'm more excited about the Pixel 4a while typing this from my iPhone SE 2.
...seems to be fixed. Never mind. Unfortunately Note 10 seemed to have sold fine, so not nearly enough people are boycotting Samsung for this, even among Note users.
well jack is dated and quite obsolescent & dated, being to big in where phones fight for every mm of thickness/size. I cannot understand why headphones did not get this kind of connector: https://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00mGDUSYKJfqoP... where it would take 10% of the size of jack while still allowing you to use cabled. I guess nobody want to introduce new ports at this point.
my guess is because if you replace it why not replace it with usb-c - since your phone already has to have that port. I know it's not analogue but it makes sense. If you ask people to change all their audio stuff why not change it to the port you already have to install in the phone.
The beauty of the 3.5mm jack is that it goes back 40 years (or 70 for the mono version).
I'm not switching to wireless headphones, that's just not happening. I'll just stop using a smartphone at that point.
What you want is 1) to be able to charge and listen to music at the same time. And 2) to have the port be completely waterproof.
Either keep both headphone jack and USB-C and make them both waterproof, or replace them both with much better ports.
With this in mind, two shallow ports. With very large pins similar to an inductive charger, easy to clean out debris or water, and easily sealed from the internals of the phone. Flat connector surface that lays flush against the phone, magnets to hold in place like a MagSafe or smartwatch or something. Need 4 pins for audio and at least 4 for USB. Pretty sure even stuff like video streaming and 60w charging could work over 4 wires or maybe 8, although it might require new standards.
Technically, you can wirelessly charge and use USB-C for headphones.
I actually had my USB-C port wear out on my S8+ after 3 years, so the idea of plugging headphones in there as well as a charging cable seems to be a bad idea (I used top end cables too). To mitigate the shoddy USB-C port I bought a bunch of wireless chargers and now that I've fixed it I only use the USB-C port for Android Auto and the odd time I need a Quick Charge.
Yes, wireless charging + USBc audio is one possible solution. It works right now. But then you need to carry a little wireless charging clip everywhere, and charge rate isn't ideal.
See Vivo Apex 2019 (the portless white one). A simple clip-on chargeport would work with both a charge cable, and a dock (eliminating need for wireless charging). At max speeds.
Could even work with a popsocket (some people swear by them).
I wont recommend using these fast charging phones while charging. Not sure that is ideal at all. You are better off getting a battery case and then no reason to use it while charging. Another option is wireless charger. You can still charge and use the phone to hear music.
Also at this point you have pretty good Bluetooth headphones. Galaxy Buds+, jabra elite 75, sony bluetooth(both TWS and over the ear) are all excellent.
That said I like to have an option for wired one as well. I will probably get usb-c cable for my IEM(Blon BL-03).
It's not about space at all. The total space for the whole internal headphone jack module is a tiny fraction of the volume of your battery.
You end up sacrificing the headphone jack to have room for maybe 50-100mah of extra battery... Which gets run down as soon as you listen to music over Bluetooth headphones.
It's about encouraging people to buy branded wireless earbuds, it's a multi-billion dollar business on its own.
Save a few cents? Because that analog port only costs a few cents per unit, while outputting audio at a quality no BT solution can match. And no, it's not "a component which the majority of consumer doesn't consider" because as you can see the trend of castrating functions goes from the top down, AFAICT all phones midrange or below still have the jack(with Apple as the sole exception), and the majority of consumers don't buy flagships. They know it's easier to con flagship users out of their money and that's what they've taken to.
That doesnt mean what you think it means. Old /= outdated. It's still the standard int he industry for a reason. Type C is not an audio standard, and wireless headphones are still to this day inferior despite years of development.
Motorola has been moving ot thicker phones with bigger batteries, and started turning a profit despite lower prices. That is what consumers want, not this stupid thinness war. And until a type C port allows you to charge and play music at the same time without a dongle, it will be an inferior solution.
It is obsolete. It's an old analog connection that is being phased out of existence. Do you think we will be sitting here is 6-7 years debating the merits of a headphone jack on a smartphone? No, because no phones will have it at all. I am not saying its right or wrong nor am I saying those that want it aren't screwed, I am just saying get used to it. It's going away, find your best alternative method and handle it.
No you haven't seen the female side of the adapter, it's two concentric rings, in other words it needs zero orientation, put the plug near the adapter blindfolded and they'll connect themselves by magnetic force. And the reason this only has two rings is it's a charging solution, for 3.5 it needs 3 rings at least. The version of this that passes data is oriented, as either one of two sides needs to face up, but no more than USB-C is oriented, it's also connectable with one hand, blind. I've been saying for years that functionally, magnetic ports are the final solution until true wireless (i.e. charging maintained across a whole room), but uptake is still limited.
Good thing everything is already good enough on a phone like ROGP2 right? In a few more years just stick to models a few years old and refuse to be extorted by a purely greed driven trend creating problems for a "solution".
What about a few years after that? At some point you will need a new phone and it wont have a headphone jack. I am not involved, I am not saying its right... All I am saying is you better get "OK" with an alternative because its going extinct whether we like it or not.
A few years after that I think people would be connected with something akin to Google Glass, if not holograms, and by then hopefully battery deterioration is 1/10 that of today, or somebody sees the market and starts to offer TWS(at least with something matching LDAC as the minimal standard by then, hopefully) with interchangeable batteries.
Get over the headphone jack already. It is an analog device and it is a legacy device in 2020. Either buy a pair of BT headphones or use the USB to 1/4 converter. If everyone thought like you, we would still be using a rotary phone.
As a strict note user for like... Forever. Hopefully we see a return of the headphone jack, the Notes are a device that should be able to do *everything*.
And hopefully it's made a little more durable, notes you typically fumble around in your hands that "little bit more" than regular devices due to the S-Pen... And having them be as fragile as a piece of cardboard really reduces my desire to upgrade to the latest and greatest if I can get another Note 10+ for half the price... Dropped mine from about a meter, the entire touch-display is non-functional, restricting me to S-Pen usage only, had a screen protector and case on it too.
Hopefully they release a Gold variant, had a Gold Note 5, Gold Note 8.. So the Aura Glow Note 10+ was a bit of a deviation for me there. (Although still looks good.)
Unfortunately the note hasn't been the "everything" device for a while. For the past few version it's been a sxx with a pen.
To be a real *everything* I would like back: the IR blaster from the S5, the FM transmitter from the Nokia n900, fm receiver (with a basic internal antenna or stylus acting as antenna to work without headphones at least for close stations ), headphone jack and also sacrifice some damn thinnes for battery and grip. Also offer it in a plastic variant, one that has a better grip in your hand then the current "let's make it feel like a wet fish".
Agreed. $999+ device should damn well have everything including IR blaster. I don't mind paying extra, if it actually has the features I want.
I need front stereo speakers (Xiaomi Black Shark), waterproofing and wireless charging, and obviously headphone jack, and good cameras. Every expensive phone should have those features. After we've got that, then we can worry about gimmicks like folding phones, projectors, wireless earbuds and even 120hz, which is not really helping you in a laggy OS with crappy games.
All phones should have a version that's 3 mm thicker and adds 2000 or more milliampere hours. There's absolutely no excuse for this. But a smaller battery degrades faster.
Also, all sealed phones should have little thin batteries that clip onto the back, and the power system should intelligently charge directly and eliminate charging losses.
I like the double-meaning of the headline! While it looks better than the S10 Ultra, I can't help wonder just how that asymmetric hump will cause the unit to wobble when laid down on a table to, for example, use the pen. And the pen is the key reason to buy a Note over another phone, so that doesn't make sense to me. And, of course, this will be yet another example of Samsung trying to price a phone at a higher MSRP than even Apple dares to charge for its top phone.
Would you really buy one of these and use it without a case though?
I don't have small hands, but even so, without a case with a rubberized grip, I think I would probably have dropped my Note 10+ at least a dozen times already.
We wouldn't, but plenty of others would. No idea. Phone reviewers have ALWAYS talked about the phone's "finish" and materials... It's always been useless imho. Just make them out of plastic or whatever's thinner, or easily replaced. I don't mind buying a glass back for $10 either.
It looks beautiful and by all means Samsung, release a version for people who's phones are jewelry to them. But how about, at least with the Note series, releasing some more utilitarian again? How about replaceable batteries, and headphone jacks, and backs that won't easily crack?
Hell, just make an Active version (with an integrated stylus). We know you can.
At the moment the Sony Xperia 1 Mark II is only really a Wacom EMR stylus and non-glass back away from being better.
All batteries are replaceable, just need to open the phone. It's tricky but it's not really that bad.
Same with glass backs. Not a dealbreaker at all.
Headphone jack is a complete dealbreaker, because I have 3 pairs of headphones that I use regularly... I'm not going to switch to wireless because it's inferior quality and lower battery life. I don't want to have to charge my goddamn headphones...
The simplest way I could think of to solve this is to get one of those T-shaped C to C and 3.5mm adapters and mill a frame out of aluminum to incorporate that adapter. This is the simplest way. And you still lose most fast charging(the adapter may pass QC2.0 I don' remember)
Yeah, another way would be to make sure all your charging cables & headphones all have pass-thru capability, so the usb-c is always there like a sort of daisy chain. That's far simpler than milling a new frame IMHO but may cost a bunch in special cables.
Or... just have two ports. I don't really care what they are anymore. Use two headphone jacks, for all I care. I just want to be able to use them at the same time.
Most USB-C to headphone adapters are basically an external DAC... so if designed properly, there's no interference between the charging current and the analog output from the DAC circuit located elsewhere in the adapter.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but USB-C audio has the potential to be better than a 3.5mm jack given that better DAC's can be used, designed around the impedance of the particular headphones you're using, etc.
That being said, having phones come with dual USB-C ports would help with the charging+wired audio aspect, as well as add additional durability to devices by allowing failover to a different functional port if one stops working. But devices need to be fragile to encourage more device sales, so that's not happening...
Theoretically yes, but the reality IMO is all the manufacturers who do C port earphones will skimp on the circuitry to cut costs, also that's one more thing that could break in a cable that could already break, only thankfully easy to repair by cutting it a little shorter and rewiring the 3.5mm plug. Granted, the likelihood of a properly made cable breaking is far less than losing one side of any pair of TWS. And he actually said daisychaining, "all your charging cables & headphones all have pass-thru capability", so either the driving circuitry is integrated in the earphones(history suggests designs like that would also be skimped) or there would be high likelihood of interference running a high current and analog signal side by side, not to mention a cable meant to be used like that probably doesn't use very good copper/silver in the first place.
Another disposable gadget. No user replaceable battery, worst software because of Google copying iOS filesystem and destroyed it - Scoped Storage from Android 11. No headphone jack, uber expensive price at over $1K, for what should I buy this garbage ?
I have an LG phone it has root with bootloader unlock, MicroSD, no bullshit notch or hole, has a high end industry top DAC chipset from ESS and runs like how it ran out of the box and runs all software this phone runs and even more because of root. This POS cannot do half of the things it can, that Stylus is for niche use cases, Camera is blown out of proportion for the Smartphones. Oh LG's Manual Video / Photo modes are much powerful than this, as they also have a HiFi Audio recording option with sound filters as well. Sony Xperia I Mark 2 is also a great phone over this garbage for sure, their Pro Video modes are superb, the phone also had a 3.5mm jack, no bullshit hole or notch. SD slot exists but sadly it's insanely expensive as well with same non user replaceable battery.
Yeah, the thing with the Sony is AFAIK it doesn't drop 20% in street price in 2-3 months. If this comes out in August by October they should be the same price, a month later this would be cheaper lol.
Turns out I may be wrong, there's a rumored 20-30% price bump of the GN20 series! Again higher price for less features, I don't know if they've mistaken themselves for Leica or something?
As many have stated, in the comments section, the lack of a 3,5mm jack is a huge turn-off. I would be OK with the lack of it if there were any decent to good type-c headphones out there. This is one of the main reasons i’m sticking with iPhones - i don’t want to abandon the iSine20 with lightning cipher cable. If only they had something similar in the Android world.
I feel the cost of high end phones have already tipped the scale of being reasonably priced. By doubling down to increase prices, they are basically killing off demand even faster. Moreover with hardware becoming very powerful for a compact device. Any new features like improved camera, screen technology and SOC are good to have, but is no longer enough to entice people to shell out a lot more money for them.
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trivik12 - Wednesday, July 1, 2020 - link
it looks good. I hope Samsung does much better with Camera Software this time around. Hardware itself is top notch. I hope to see the 50mp module mentioned few months back instead of the 108mp one.shabby - Wednesday, July 1, 2020 - link
Its still the 108mp sensor, only with 50x zoom rather than that 100x one.milkywayer - Wednesday, July 1, 2020 - link
Great phones but in a world of superb $400 budget phones, I'm not sure there'll be many takers for $1100 phones. I'm more excited about the Pixel 4a while typing this from my iPhone SE 2.sygreenblum - Wednesday, July 1, 2020 - link
$1,100? I think you're being optimistic. The S20 Ultra retailed for $1,399 at launch.vortmax2 - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link
They added a new sensor for focusing...should take care of the S20 Ultra camera issues.westh2o - Wednesday, July 1, 2020 - link
No headphone jack = FAILs.yu - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link
something wrong with the comment system?s.yu - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link
...seems to be fixed. Never mind.Unfortunately Note 10 seemed to have sold fine, so not nearly enough people are boycotting Samsung for this, even among Note users.
deil - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
well jack is dated and quite obsolescent & dated, being to big in where phones fight for every mm of thickness/size.I cannot understand why headphones did not get this kind of connector:
https://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00mGDUSYKJfqoP...
where it would take 10% of the size of jack while still allowing you to use cabled.
I guess nobody want to introduce new ports at this point.
icebox - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
my guess is because if you replace it why not replace it with usb-c - since your phone already has to have that port. I know it's not analogue but it makes sense. If you ask people to change all their audio stuff why not change it to the port you already have to install in the phone.The beauty of the 3.5mm jack is that it goes back 40 years (or 70 for the mono version).
flyingpants265 - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
I've thought long and hard about it.I'm not switching to wireless headphones, that's just not happening. I'll just stop using a smartphone at that point.
What you want is 1) to be able to charge and listen to music at the same time. And 2) to have the port be completely waterproof.
Either keep both headphone jack and USB-C and make them both waterproof, or replace them both with much better ports.
With this in mind, two shallow ports. With very large pins similar to an inductive charger, easy to clean out debris or water, and easily sealed from the internals of the phone. Flat connector surface that lays flush against the phone, magnets to hold in place like a MagSafe or smartwatch or something. Need 4 pins for audio and at least 4 for USB. Pretty sure even stuff like video streaming and 60w charging could work over 4 wires or maybe 8, although it might require new standards.
3DoubleD - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
Technically, you can wirelessly charge and use USB-C for headphones.I actually had my USB-C port wear out on my S8+ after 3 years, so the idea of plugging headphones in there as well as a charging cable seems to be a bad idea (I used top end cables too). To mitigate the shoddy USB-C port I bought a bunch of wireless chargers and now that I've fixed it I only use the USB-C port for Android Auto and the odd time I need a Quick Charge.
flyingpants265 - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
Yes, wireless charging + USBc audio is one possible solution. It works right now. But then you need to carry a little wireless charging clip everywhere, and charge rate isn't ideal.See Vivo Apex 2019 (the portless white one). A simple clip-on chargeport would work with both a charge cable, and a dock (eliminating need for wireless charging). At max speeds.
Could even work with a popsocket (some people swear by them).
trivik12 - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
I wont recommend using these fast charging phones while charging. Not sure that is ideal at all. You are better off getting a battery case and then no reason to use it while charging. Another option is wireless charger. You can still charge and use the phone to hear music.Also at this point you have pretty good Bluetooth headphones. Galaxy Buds+, jabra elite 75, sony bluetooth(both TWS and over the ear) are all excellent.
That said I like to have an option for wired one as well. I will probably get usb-c cable for my IEM(Blon BL-03).
flyingpants265 - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
It's not about space at all. The total space for the whole internal headphone jack module is a tiny fraction of the volume of your battery.You end up sacrificing the headphone jack to have room for maybe 50-100mah of extra battery... Which gets run down as soon as you listen to music over Bluetooth headphones.
It's about encouraging people to buy branded wireless earbuds, it's a multi-billion dollar business on its own.
s.yu - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
Yeah you said what I was gonna say. Space is an extremely lousy excuse. It's despicable greed.SteveX107 - Monday, July 6, 2020 - link
It may be also a way to save money on a component which the majority of consumer doesn't consider when choosing a smartphone.s.yu - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link
Save a few cents? Because that analog port only costs a few cents per unit, while outputting audio at a quality no BT solution can match. And no, it's not "a component which the majority of consumer doesn't consider" because as you can see the trend of castrating functions goes from the top down, AFAICT all phones midrange or below still have the jack(with Apple as the sole exception), and the majority of consumers don't buy flagships. They know it's easier to con flagship users out of their money and that's what they've taken to.flyingpants265 - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
That looks pretty good, if it were made properly and not easily knocked out of place.TheinsanegamerN - Monday, July 6, 2020 - link
"obsolete"That doesnt mean what you think it means. Old /= outdated. It's still the standard int he industry for a reason. Type C is not an audio standard, and wireless headphones are still to this day inferior despite years of development.
Motorola has been moving ot thicker phones with bigger batteries, and started turning a profit despite lower prices. That is what consumers want, not this stupid thinness war. And until a type C port allows you to charge and play music at the same time without a dongle, it will be an inferior solution.
goatfajitas - Monday, July 6, 2020 - link
It is obsolete. It's an old analog connection that is being phased out of existence. Do you think we will be sitting here is 6-7 years debating the merits of a headphone jack on a smartphone? No, because no phones will have it at all. I am not saying its right or wrong nor am I saying those that want it aren't screwed, I am just saying get used to it. It's going away, find your best alternative method and handle it.CSMR - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link
> I cannot understand why headphones did not get this kind of connector:A design like that would need be oriented. It's XLR basically. Great, but too hard for ordinary users to plug in.
s.yu - Monday, July 13, 2020 - link
No you haven't seen the female side of the adapter, it's two concentric rings, in other words it needs zero orientation, put the plug near the adapter blindfolded and they'll connect themselves by magnetic force. And the reason this only has two rings is it's a charging solution, for 3.5 it needs 3 rings at least. The version of this that passes data is oriented, as either one of two sides needs to face up, but no more than USB-C is oriented, it's also connectable with one hand, blind. I've been saying for years that functionally, magnetic ports are the final solution until true wireless (i.e. charging maintained across a whole room), but uptake is still limited.flyingpants265 - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
No headphone jack = no buyNo front stereo speakers = no buy
goatfajitas - Monday, July 6, 2020 - link
What will you buy? In a few more years you wont have a choice at all. Better get used to it.s.yu - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link
Good thing everything is already good enough on a phone like ROGP2 right? In a few more years just stick to models a few years old and refuse to be extorted by a purely greed driven trend creating problems for a "solution".goatfajitas - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link
What about a few years after that? At some point you will need a new phone and it wont have a headphone jack. I am not involved, I am not saying its right... All I am saying is you better get "OK" with an alternative because its going extinct whether we like it or not.s.yu - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - link
A few years after that I think people would be connected with something akin to Google Glass, if not holograms, and by then hopefully battery deterioration is 1/10 that of today, or somebody sees the market and starts to offer TWS(at least with something matching LDAC as the minimal standard by then, hopefully) with interchangeable batteries.s.yu - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link
Actually following the trend in price a few years you won't be getting anything under $2000. Just go with it right.bull2760 - Wednesday, July 29, 2020 - link
Get over the headphone jack already. It is an analog device and it is a legacy device in 2020. Either buy a pair of BT headphones or use the USB to 1/4 converter. If everyone thought like you, we would still be using a rotary phone.StevoLincolnite - Wednesday, July 1, 2020 - link
As a strict note user for like... Forever.Hopefully we see a return of the headphone jack, the Notes are a device that should be able to do *everything*.
And hopefully it's made a little more durable, notes you typically fumble around in your hands that "little bit more" than regular devices due to the S-Pen... And having them be as fragile as a piece of cardboard really reduces my desire to upgrade to the latest and greatest if I can get another Note 10+ for half the price... Dropped mine from about a meter, the entire touch-display is non-functional, restricting me to S-Pen usage only, had a screen protector and case on it too.
Hopefully they release a Gold variant, had a Gold Note 5, Gold Note 8.. So the Aura Glow Note 10+ was a bit of a deviation for me there. (Although still looks good.)
icebox - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
Unfortunately the note hasn't been the "everything" device for a while. For the past few version it's been a sxx with a pen.To be a real *everything* I would like back: the IR blaster from the S5, the FM transmitter from the Nokia n900, fm receiver (with a basic internal antenna or stylus acting as antenna to work without headphones at least for close stations ), headphone jack and also sacrifice some damn thinnes for battery and grip. Also offer it in a plastic variant, one that has a better grip in your hand then the current "let's make it feel like a wet fish".
flyingpants265 - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
Agreed. $999+ device should damn well have everything including IR blaster. I don't mind paying extra, if it actually has the features I want.I need front stereo speakers (Xiaomi Black Shark), waterproofing and wireless charging, and obviously headphone jack, and good cameras. Every expensive phone should have those features. After we've got that, then we can worry about gimmicks like folding phones, projectors, wireless earbuds and even 120hz, which is not really helping you in a laggy OS with crappy games.
All phones should have a version that's 3 mm thicker and adds 2000 or more milliampere hours. There's absolutely no excuse for this. But a smaller battery degrades faster.
Also, all sealed phones should have little thin batteries that clip onto the back, and the power system should intelligently charge directly and eliminate charging losses.
eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, July 1, 2020 - link
I like the double-meaning of the headline! While it looks better than the S10 Ultra, I can't help wonder just how that asymmetric hump will cause the unit to wobble when laid down on a table to, for example, use the pen. And the pen is the key reason to buy a Note over another phone, so that doesn't make sense to me.And, of course, this will be yet another example of Samsung trying to price a phone at a higher MSRP than even Apple dares to charge for its top phone.
eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, July 1, 2020 - link
I meant the S20 Ultra, of course, but Gboard autocorrect makes sure to mess it up. Thanks Google!twtech - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link
Would you really buy one of these and use it without a case though?I don't have small hands, but even so, without a case with a rubberized grip, I think I would probably have dropped my Note 10+ at least a dozen times already.
A case would likely even out the back.
flyingpants265 - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
We wouldn't, but plenty of others would. No idea. Phone reviewers have ALWAYS talked about the phone's "finish" and materials... It's always been useless imho. Just make them out of plastic or whatever's thinner, or easily replaced. I don't mind buying a glass back for $10 either.BedfordTim - Saturday, July 4, 2020 - link
That depends on the case.Tams80 - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link
It looks beautiful and by all means Samsung, release a version for people who's phones are jewelry to them. But how about, at least with the Note series, releasing some more utilitarian again? How about replaceable batteries, and headphone jacks, and backs that won't easily crack?Hell, just make an Active version (with an integrated stylus). We know you can.
At the moment the Sony Xperia 1 Mark II is only really a Wacom EMR stylus and non-glass back away from being better.
s.yu - Thursday, July 2, 2020 - link
Even less for me, just the stylus. I'll live with any back because I use external protection.flyingpants265 - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
All batteries are replaceable, just need to open the phone. It's tricky but it's not really that bad.Same with glass backs. Not a dealbreaker at all.
Headphone jack is a complete dealbreaker, because I have 3 pairs of headphones that I use regularly... I'm not going to switch to wireless because it's inferior quality and lower battery life. I don't want to have to charge my goddamn headphones...
s.yu - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
The simplest way I could think of to solve this is to get one of those T-shaped C to C and 3.5mm adapters and mill a frame out of aluminum to incorporate that adapter.This is the simplest way. And you still lose most fast charging(the adapter may pass QC2.0 I don' remember)
flyingpants265 - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
Yeah, another way would be to make sure all your charging cables & headphones all have pass-thru capability, so the usb-c is always there like a sort of daisy chain. That's far simpler than milling a new frame IMHO but may cost a bunch in special cables.Or... just have two ports. I don't really care what they are anymore. Use two headphone jacks, for all I care. I just want to be able to use them at the same time.
s.yu - Saturday, July 4, 2020 - link
That would be horrible. Cable matters and I can't imagine the interference charging through the same cable you're listening to in analog would create.c4v3man - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link
Most USB-C to headphone adapters are basically an external DAC... so if designed properly, there's no interference between the charging current and the analog output from the DAC circuit located elsewhere in the adapter.I'm not saying it's perfect, but USB-C audio has the potential to be better than a 3.5mm jack given that better DAC's can be used, designed around the impedance of the particular headphones you're using, etc.
That being said, having phones come with dual USB-C ports would help with the charging+wired audio aspect, as well as add additional durability to devices by allowing failover to a different functional port if one stops working. But devices need to be fragile to encourage more device sales, so that's not happening...
s.yu - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - link
Theoretically yes, but the reality IMO is all the manufacturers who do C port earphones will skimp on the circuitry to cut costs, also that's one more thing that could break in a cable that could already break, only thankfully easy to repair by cutting it a little shorter and rewiring the 3.5mm plug. Granted, the likelihood of a properly made cable breaking is far less than losing one side of any pair of TWS.And he actually said daisychaining, "all your charging cables & headphones all have pass-thru capability", so either the driving circuitry is integrated in the earphones(history suggests designs like that would also be skimped) or there would be high likelihood of interference running a high current and analog signal side by side, not to mention a cable meant to be used like that probably doesn't use very good copper/silver in the first place.
Quantumz0d - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
Another disposable gadget. No user replaceable battery, worst software because of Google copying iOS filesystem and destroyed it - Scoped Storage from Android 11. No headphone jack, uber expensive price at over $1K, for what should I buy this garbage ?I have an LG phone it has root with bootloader unlock, MicroSD, no bullshit notch or hole, has a high end industry top DAC chipset from ESS and runs like how it ran out of the box and runs all software this phone runs and even more because of root. This POS cannot do half of the things it can, that Stylus is for niche use cases, Camera is blown out of proportion for the Smartphones. Oh LG's Manual Video / Photo modes are much powerful than this, as they also have a HiFi Audio recording option with sound filters as well. Sony Xperia I Mark 2 is also a great phone over this garbage for sure, their Pro Video modes are superb, the phone also had a 3.5mm jack, no bullshit hole or notch. SD slot exists but sadly it's insanely expensive as well with same non user replaceable battery.
s.yu - Friday, July 3, 2020 - link
Yeah, the thing with the Sony is AFAIK it doesn't drop 20% in street price in 2-3 months. If this comes out in August by October they should be the same price, a month later this would be cheaper lol.s.yu - Wednesday, July 8, 2020 - link
Turns out I may be wrong, there's a rumored 20-30% price bump of the GN20 series! Again higher price for less features, I don't know if they've mistaken themselves for Leica or something?liquid_c - Saturday, July 4, 2020 - link
As many have stated, in the comments section, the lack of a 3,5mm jack is a huge turn-off. I would be OK with the lack of it if there were any decent to good type-c headphones out there. This is one of the main reasons i’m sticking with iPhones - i don’t want to abandon the iSine20 with lightning cipher cable. If only they had something similar in the Android world.watzupken - Sunday, July 5, 2020 - link
I feel the cost of high end phones have already tipped the scale of being reasonably priced. By doubling down to increase prices, they are basically killing off demand even faster. Moreover with hardware becoming very powerful for a compact device. Any new features like improved camera, screen technology and SOC are good to have, but is no longer enough to entice people to shell out a lot more money for them.s.yu - Tuesday, July 7, 2020 - link
I hope you're right.phpare - Friday, February 19, 2021 - link
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