It would interesting to know if these Xeons also act like i7/i9 when it comes to much higher power use under load, possibly even up to 200W+ range. I'm guessing the 125W is only for baseline power usage.
Personally, I liked my old Dell Precision workstation, so probably all the OEMs have to build in bigger cooling to accommodate higher loads. It just feels that with "workstation" targeted boards, Intel would make the CPUs adhere more closely to the listed TDP rather than just say "oh, that's the PL1 spec; you need to look at PL2!" Or at least just print the higher number as the TDP for the CPU.
Yeah, they do exactly that. Still, workstation users won't know about that unless the OEM that made the system didn't put a good enough cooling solution.
The workstation boards for Xeon E-series seem to adhere strictly to Intel's recommendations for PL1, PL2, and Tau.
Interestingly, the Xeon E-2288G is based on the same rev/stepping as the i9-9900KS, but the former is rated for 95 W, while the later is rated for 127 W.
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I know it’s beating a dead horse but Intel really doesn’t seem interested in targeting the DIY market with this release. Ryzen supports ECC and ASUS has a workstation board certified to work with it so anyone can just buy ECC ram and stuff it in. Wonder how long before HP Z’s and Dell’s offer AMD in their workstations.
But, there's not a real price premium for Xeon E, as far as I can tell. Yes, Intel did some market segmentation, and you might be annoyed that you have to use a different mobo/chipset, but I don't really see what the problem is.
Even with Ryzen you're limited to certain mobos that support ECC. Also, they don't have it on their mainstream APUs - you have to get OEM-only Ryzen Pro APUs, for that.
Dell, HPinc wont offer AMD in workstations, they are chickens scared to loose the engineering investments Intel is paying for them…. end user is once again the one that suffers from it as companies have no other options than to buy these shitty still to expensive cpu. And the market stays unbalanced with a company that lacks execution right know but due to $$$$ investments into other companies they can keep there sales high.
I've been looking at building or buying a machine for work and pleasure, and much of what I do is single thread speed bound. Intel still wins in this department. Not by a ton, but when all is said and done, at similar price points, ryzen gets me 3-4 year old speeds compared to intel. The only advantage I'm seeing from AMD is that the socket is supported relatively longer, but it's looking dicey as to whether a MB I buy today will be able to take whatever latest and greatest that they're offering in two years, given that we're already pretty deep into the life of the AM4 socket.
For our Intel-based servers we have never intentionally tested whether ECC actually works. However, we have ssen some ECC correction reports on some (typically failing) hardware, so it seems to be working, too.
They have to have something for low cost single socket servers. Maybe they trade the igpu for more cores in that segment to keep up with the competition. Or maybe they will just use the W series, but felt it was more important for marketing to emphasize the workstation end use. Hard to figure out Intel branding nowadays.
so in this generation you get a 10c Xeon W for the price of an 8 Core Xeon E... where is the time that Intel would ask double the price for 2 cores more..... the rip-off finale got ended. thx AMD
That there is apparently no longer a "little" Xeon and "big" Xeon. With Xeon W-1200, the fundamental consequential loss of PCIe lanes, quad memory, cache, and need to buy a new motherboard is Intel's obvious concession to AMD; apparently the only way Intel can lower the price to be competitive. However, potential buyers of Xeon W-1200 will more than notice and we're warned that in a year comes LGA1700, so everything can be thrown away again. The higher clock speeds of E-12XX are welcome, but of course, there is a substantial power and cooling requirement increase.
I would very much like to see Intel get back in the game. Intel should devise a new LGA2066, rebrand the ridiculously expensive, low clock Xeon Scalable as server only. Then,create a new "big" workstation Xeon, e.g. X-31XX, lots of cache, a couple of cores above 5GHz, in 6,8,10,12,16,24,and 32-core configurations, quad channel memory up to 512GB, and piles and piles of PCIe lanes, so there is full x16 performance on up to four GPU's. The Scalables will continue for server use, but the poor clock speeds and extreme cost (appropriately, series names include: Gold, Silver, and Platinum) may welll sink them eventually against EPYC.
Meanwhile, until July, 17, 2020, seeing whatever the Ryzen 3000 16-core is, I'm going to hobble along on a 2013, 4.3Ghz, 8-core Xeon E5, and then, for now, get off the Intel sinking ship.
But, don't worry, in three or four, or five years or so, Intel will be back- with 10nm stuff you won't believe is happening!
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romrunning - Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - link
It would interesting to know if these Xeons also act like i7/i9 when it comes to much higher power use under load, possibly even up to 200W+ range. I'm guessing the 125W is only for baseline power usage.Personally, I liked my old Dell Precision workstation, so probably all the OEMs have to build in bigger cooling to accommodate higher loads. It just feels that with "workstation" targeted boards, Intel would make the CPUs adhere more closely to the listed TDP rather than just say "oh, that's the PL1 spec; you need to look at PL2!" Or at least just print the higher number as the TDP for the CPU.
yeeeeman - Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - link
Yeah, they do exactly that.Still, workstation users won't know about that unless the OEM that made the system didn't put a good enough cooling solution.
mode_13h - Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - link
The workstation boards for Xeon E-series seem to adhere strictly to Intel's recommendations for PL1, PL2, and Tau.Interestingly, the Xeon E-2288G is based on the same rev/stepping as the i9-9900KS, but the former is rated for 95 W, while the later is rated for 127 W.
FacePlants - Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - link
That's likely because consumers get the leaky silicon and sever SKUs are binned for lower power consumption.Mr Perfect - Thursday, May 14, 2020 - link
If this is how we finally get motherboards that respect specifications, then I'm excited to see more of these workstation Xeons.Hopefully reviewers hold the OEMs responsible in this segment.
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I know it’s beating a dead horse but Intel really doesn’t seem interested in targeting the DIY market with this release. Ryzen supports ECC and ASUS has a workstation board certified to work with it so anyone can just buy ECC ram and stuff it in. Wonder how long before HP Z’s and Dell’s offer AMD in their workstations.mode_13h - Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - link
But, there's not a real price premium for Xeon E, as far as I can tell. Yes, Intel did some market segmentation, and you might be annoyed that you have to use a different mobo/chipset, but I don't really see what the problem is.Even with Ryzen you're limited to certain mobos that support ECC. Also, they don't have it on their mainstream APUs - you have to get OEM-only Ryzen Pro APUs, for that.
Jorgp2 - Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - link
""supports""duploxxx - Thursday, May 14, 2020 - link
Dell, HPinc wont offer AMD in workstations, they are chickens scared to loose the engineering investments Intel is paying for them…. end user is once again the one that suffers from it as companies have no other options than to buy these shitty still to expensive cpu. And the market stays unbalanced with a company that lacks execution right know but due to $$$$ investments into other companies they can keep there sales high.looking for tech in all the wrong places - Monday, July 13, 2020 - link
I've been looking at building or buying a machine for work and pleasure, and much of what I do is single thread speed bound. Intel still wins in this department. Not by a ton, but when all is said and done, at similar price points, ryzen gets me 3-4 year old speeds compared to intel. The only advantage I'm seeing from AMD is that the socket is supported relatively longer, but it's looking dicey as to whether a MB I buy today will be able to take whatever latest and greatest that they're offering in two years, given that we're already pretty deep into the life of the AM4 socket.vladpetric - Thursday, May 14, 2020 - link
Has anyone tested the non-pro Ryzens, with a proper mobo, to see that ECC does actually work?As someone else suggested, "supports" is legally-safe weasel wording.
AntonErtl - Friday, May 15, 2020 - link
<a href="https://hardwarecanucks.com/forum/threads/ecc-memo... have. And we followed them and tested our first <a href="https://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/ryzen-serv... server</a>. For our most recent build we did not go to these lengths and just checked that the Linux kernel reports that ECC is enabled.For our Intel-based servers we have never intentionally tested whether ECC actually works. However, we have ssen some ECC correction reports on some (typically failing) hardware, so it seems to be working, too.
AntonErtl - Friday, May 15, 2020 - link
The links are:http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canu...
https://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/ryzen-serv...
mode_13h - Sunday, May 17, 2020 - link
Asrock Rack makes some AM4 server boards that advertise ECC support for certain non-Pro Ryzen models. Presumably, they actually tested it.evilpaul666 - Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - link
Is there really no longer ECC support in the i3/Pentium/Celeron chips this "generation"?cbm80 - Thursday, May 14, 2020 - link
That's correct, they removed ECC.I guess the big customers like HP and Dell told Intel that they were going to skip "10th Gen", so no need.
looking for tech in all the wrong places - Monday, July 13, 2020 - link
i3-10100E/i3-10100TE Processors both support ECC and are listed as 10th generation. But they're slower than the others, meant for embedded market/IoThttps://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/produc...
mode_13h - Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - link
> One big question that arose about these new Xeon W-1200 processors is what happens to the Xeon E series.Exactly what I wondered. Thank you for inquiring about that.
flgt - Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - link
They have to have something for low cost single socket servers. Maybe they trade the igpu for more cores in that segment to keep up with the competition. Or maybe they will just use the W series, but felt it was more important for marketing to emphasize the workstation end use. Hard to figure out Intel branding nowadays.cbm80 - Thursday, May 14, 2020 - link
I think the plan is to just keep selling "9th Gen" products until "11th Gen" comes, i.e. skip 10th Gen.vFunct - Wednesday, May 13, 2020 - link
No Optane DCPMM support in this line? Could be a great option for development testing for servers.MrEcho - Thursday, May 14, 2020 - link
I wonder if these would work in the MacPro?duploxxx - Thursday, May 14, 2020 - link
so in this generation you get a 10c Xeon W for the price of an 8 Core Xeon E... where is the time that Intel would ask double the price for 2 cores more..... the rip-off finale got ended. thx AMDBambiBoom - Friday, May 15, 2020 - link
Dr. Ian Cutress,An unfortunate platform syllogism:
If Xeon E3-1200 = LGA1151
and LGA1151 = LGA1200
Then Xeon W-1200 = Xeon E3-1200
That there is apparently no longer a "little" Xeon and "big" Xeon. With Xeon W-1200, the fundamental consequential loss of PCIe lanes, quad memory, cache, and need to buy a new motherboard is Intel's obvious concession to AMD; apparently the only way Intel can lower the price to be competitive. However, potential buyers of Xeon W-1200 will more than notice and we're warned that in a year comes LGA1700, so everything can be thrown away again. The higher clock speeds of E-12XX are welcome, but of course, there is a substantial power and cooling requirement increase.
I would very much like to see Intel get back in the game. Intel should devise a new LGA2066, rebrand the ridiculously expensive, low clock Xeon Scalable as server only. Then,create a new "big" workstation Xeon, e.g. X-31XX, lots of cache, a couple of cores above 5GHz, in 6,8,10,12,16,24,and 32-core configurations, quad channel memory up to 512GB, and piles and piles of PCIe lanes, so there is full x16 performance on up to four GPU's. The Scalables will continue for server use, but the poor clock speeds and extreme cost (appropriately, series names include: Gold, Silver, and Platinum) may welll sink them eventually against EPYC.
Meanwhile, until July, 17, 2020, seeing whatever the Ryzen 3000 16-core is, I'm going to hobble along on a 2013, 4.3Ghz, 8-core Xeon E5, and then, for now, get off the Intel sinking ship.
But, don't worry, in three or four, or five years or so, Intel will be back- with 10nm stuff you won't believe is happening!
ballsystemlord - Friday, May 15, 2020 - link
@Ian I read the title and thought the 480W was the TDP! Really! :Dspencer145 - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
As for the performance, it is a devastating experience to live under the pressure when you are expected to reach perfection. Tell the kid that everyone makes mistakes, and it is a normal part of learning. Also, most of the children may need help doing homework. <a href="https://essayswriting.org/">Essay writing service</a> have been created to help with itspencer145 - Thursday, May 21, 2020 - link
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